Did Bin Laden Threaten "Red" States?

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1. meep November 1, 2004

   So… why was New York City hit, then? Hmmm? That’s so stupid. Because Giuliani was mayor? That’s doubly stupid.

   I give a big ole “whatever” to ole Sammie. It’s amazing, but he managed to mimic someone with even less credibility than himself. Michael Moore had made a comment about NYC hating Bush – so why were they hit? Well, Sammie? How about it?
2. BR November 1, 2004

   Yes, when one tries to apply reason to his choice of targets (including other Moslems), one fails, because he lives in a delusional world, with irrational goals. There’s an interesting article from 2002 called “Al Quaeda’s Fantasy Ideology” at http://www.policyreview.org/AUG02/harris.html

   The threat is real, the harm already done is real, the methods used are real, but the underlying ideology is insane – like Hitler’s, Stalin’s, and the 11th century Hashishin (Assassins on hash) cult of Iran.

   And this article, “From Pillar to Post” 11/23/01
   http://www.austhink.org/monk/PILLAR.doc

   describes, among other things, how this unholy offshoot of Islam even considers other Moslems as fair game (those who do not “act” to bring about world domination by Islam).

   It also shows how Paul Pillar of the CIA misjudged Bin Laden and terrorism in general. (He was Deputy Director of the CIA’s Counter Terrorism Center prior to 9/11 and currently Nat’l Intelligence Officer for the Near East and South Asia). This is the same Pillar whose name has been connected in the articles listed below to 3 recent attempts to deceive voters in this presidential election by falsely attacking Pres. Bush:

   1) as the lead author of the classified NIE (Nat’l Intelligence Estimate), the gloomier parts of which got leaked to the NY Times to attack Bush.

   2) the aborted October surprise plan to issue a slanted CIA Inspector General’s 9/11 Report to slam President Bush and name specific Administration officials.

   3) When that got aborted by Porter Goss, “they desperately rigged another one, working with Mohammed ElBaradei at the U.N.” (the Al Qaqaa phony explosives scandal).

   THOSE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW KAKA BOMBS.

   Sources:
   (CIA/AL QAQAA CAPER):
   http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41190
   (CIA/ABORTED OCTOBER SURPRISE, see last 2 pages):
   http://www.arn.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-12-t-001373.html
   (CIA/NIE LEAK):
   http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040930-082915-5728r.htm
3. Richard November 1, 2004

   He also refered to Jeb, “Bush’s Brothers”
4. -S- November 1, 2004

   Yes, insane. Next he’ll send a tape demanding that we use golf carts and trains or else he’ll get the sun to burn holes in car hoods. Wouldn’t surprise me.

   I agree that the threat is very, very real so I am not suggesting that he be minimized as to irrational potention for harm to the U.S., and to others elsewhere. I’m just saying that the man is clearly insane and thinks Bernie the Muppett is an example of the “evil American.” Insane, truly insane.

   All the more reason why he needs to be pursued, seized and taken to ANOTHER cave. One with a very warm seat.
5. KGrove November 1, 2004

   I believe that Mohammed himself set the precedent for offering truce to enemies of Islam. He made truce with the inhabitants of Mecca and Medina. He returned shortly and executed every inhabitant of the region.
   I expect no less from Al’Qaeda and Osama bin Hiding.
6. Kieth November 1, 2004

   Paul –

   I speak arabic, and OBL did in fact use the word for “state like Tennesse” rather than the word for “state like the Nation State.”

   Is it likely OBL is intentionally choosing the word to imply an attack on red states? Maybe…

   OBL (like myself) speaks Modern Standard Arabic, a dialect used almost exclusively for government memos, university teaching, media broadcasts, and terrorist propoganda messages. I know that many of the news stories distributed in the mid-east are actually recycled western stories simply translated into arabic (often hastily) before broadcast. Arab news orgs simply don’t have the reporter corps available to the AP, Reuters, the BBC, or AFP. (Note: these are the byline credits I see the most in arabic news.)

   In the absence of other evidence it’s likely that OBL is using the arabic word for (small) state as a synonym for (large) State… just as they often do in news stories translated from western sources. I think it’s safe to say OBL is a news junkie…

   On the other hand, his recent video message cribbs heavily from the works and statements of Michael Moore. Fair enough? We’ve all seen OBL’s reference to “My Pet Goat.” Consider this statement from Moore on 9/12/2001:

   “Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! . . . “

   [Source:
   http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu/2004/10/boston_new_york.html
   ]

   If OBL is has elevated Moore to guru status enough to paraphrase F 9/11… is it a huge jump to conclude that he’s listening whenever Moore speaks?

   MEMRI is a reputable org. I have agreed with their analysis in the past and I fear they may be right on this. It requires MANY assumptions on our part to fill in the gaps. It’s spotty evidence at best. Let’s just hope we’re misreading that evidence.
7. LJD November 1, 2004

   Red states like guns.
   Bring it on you pussy!
8. divider November 1, 2004

   Pathetic, meep. bin Laden is *not* saying this has always been his plan, so what sites he’s hit before this plays absolutely no role in what he threatens to hit now.

   Just dumb, dumb, dumb.

   I guess introducing the topic hear of the bombings in Spain will cause your brain to go spinning off into oblivion.

   Nothing requires a single motive for all al Quaeda’s hits. Just dumb.
9. Boyd November 1, 2004

   To bolster Keith’s statement, the word “walaya” is the word used in the Arabic name for the US: Alwalayat Almutehida Alamirkia, or “bil Arabee:”

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