Without looking at the URL or the headline at the top, try to figure out which city this is. Each red dot represents a murder in the past year. Isn’t that a quagmire? Isn’t it time to consider pulling out?
Without looking at the URL or the headline at the top, try to figure out which city this is. Each red dot represents a murder in the past year. Isn’t that a quagmire? Isn’t it time to consider pulling out?
Yes, it’s time to pull out of that city and every other city that has innocent civilians and policemen being killed.
We cannot win a war against gangs, burgulars and angry spouses. I’m voting to cut and run.
Does Philadelphia have a green zone?
What’s our exit strategy? Why hasn’t the mayor stepped down? Why hasn’t the police chief been fired?
Yep! That is Philadelphia and I have already pulled out and redeployed to Alabama. That ought to make those murdering criminals sorry!
Yes we do have a green zone here in Philly. It’s the Northwest – Manayunk/Roxborough/Chestnut Hill – area. Large number of cops call this area home.
The sooner we pull out of this area, the safer it will be, as I believe the police presence is creating more criminals.
I also strongly suspect the local jails aren’t totally respecting the criminal’s civil and cultural rights, aggravating the problem.
Lee, that number has been revised down to around 50. Please go there and confirm for us all!
Maybe the murder rate would drop in Philly if the Frickin’ Eagles could cover the spread once in a while.
Did you notice that over 85% of the homicides were committed with a gun?
ALSO – PROFILING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
Even though NO deaths were caused by white females, IT IS LIKELY that little gray haired grandmas WILL be behind future murderers and therefore they – along with their homes – MUST be searched for AK47’s (or other lethal weapons such as their bobby pins).
I agree with SurfinKC, we need to take up an offering so we can send “Lee” to Baghdad so we can get the straight scoop on how bad we’re losing.
It would be especially helpful to have him embedded with the Iraqi police.
I’m in for $5.00.
Hey, Barn, doesn’t Philly have some of the toughest gun control laws in the country? So what’s your point – the victims are undergunned?
And Barney, I can garuantee that off the 200 some gun homocides in Philly, many of those bodies belong to the same killer, and a higer ratio still belong to the same gun.
“Did you notice that over 85% of the homicides were committed with a gun?” -Barney Fife
And several with bare hands. Therefore everyone in Philly has now been notified to stand in line at city hall for mass hand and foot amputations.
Ahhh it’s not so bad.. at least they dont have a problem with IED’S yet.
I was the first to tell the mayor that we should NOT have gone in there to try to stop the killings.
We now have MORE people being recruited by the killers because of police arrogance, tactics, and mistreatment of prisoners. Also, the torture of using handcuffs MUST stop!!
Philly cannot win this war.
How can anyone with any sense of decency and honor even think of pulling out of the City of Brotherly Love without first having considered removing the Weapons of Mass Destruction???
This is John F. Street’s war – not ours. He should be impeached for lying.
“When the Mayor took office in January 2000, he offered the citizens … safer streets for our residents…”
http://www.phila.gov/mayor/initiatives.html
He’s stupid and he’s a liar. Impeach the Dumbocrat.
Shorter Whiztard Logic:
..But we’re that much closer to a Democracy in Philladelphia!!
We should have NEVER removed these people. They were innocent and we were mistaken:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/howard_unruh/9.html
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Gunmen dressed as police commandos kidnapped up to 150 staff and visitors in a lightning raid on a Baghdad research institute Tuesday, the largest mass abduction since the start of the U.S. occupation. Lee
This only shows that the terrorists are doing their part to repay the moral and financial support they have received from the dim’s over the past 5 years. Violence was ramped up by the terrorists to sway the elections (Spain Again) and the cowardly Americans jumped right in. Now they’re killing people by the hundreds to insure the dim’s put those friendly to them in leadership positions. Hey Mr. terrorists, it doesn’t matter who they put in leadership positions, all dim’s are anti-American and pro-terrorists.
I love it, the kiss them and they’ll go away approach of the dim’s isn’t working too well is it. More blood for the dim’s to soak their hands in, which is a daily requirement to be a left wing dim. Soon the American people will figure out they got what they paid for. A high price for worthless politicians.
Well it’s obviously NOT Baghdad because they have that many murders in one week.
The problem in Philly is that it’s an American city and we have pulled out. Tons of resources sent overseas to a dreadfully counterproductive war when there is so much we could be doing here for OUR citizens.
So what’s your point?
Ever notice how the most dangerous cities in US are all controlled by Dems?
Guess taking care of their own really isnt a priority, and since it doesnt get impact from lib media, they ignore it.
I live west of Philly, and the so called ‘white’ areas of Philly dont have many red dots in them. Is it racist to imply that whites are a disproportionately low amont of murderers, and victims?
Where Jesse and Al?
And don’t forget baseball bats and knives and rocks and hammers and………….
So, by muirgeo’s logic, the long standing problems of one of America’s oldest and largets cities, which have been festering for longer than the 33 years I’ve lived across the river from it, are all Bush’s fault.
Scary to think he works with children.
Muir(geo?), uh, trust me it ain’t the money. Nice try, though.
No Blood for……?????????
What exactly does Philadelphia have that we want to take through imperialism?
Not only are the most dangerous cities in the US controlled by Dems, it takes a Republican to clean up one of the worst.
Giuliani Time!
I’ve been to Philadelphia a few times, it’s a beautiful city…but it obviously has some enormous problems that aren’t getting any better.
If the soft on crime Republicans would get behind sensible gun control laws, and stop sucking the dick of the NRA, many of those deaths would have been prevented..
Cheesesteaks Steve, cheesesteaks.
No blood for cheesesteaks!
Actually, Scrapiron,you should’t be so upset, (if you support someone like John Negroponte). It wasn’t the terrorists that kidnapped 150 men, it was the Shiite death squads, the ones we have been training and financing as part of ‘ Salvador Option, the Iraqi army and police stand up we stand down policy’.They were checking identity cards in the car park. They picked only the Sunni employees. They even took the man who was just delivering tea,” the man said.
Police were watching, but did nothing, he said
The terrorists are the Sunni insurgents, that’s why the shorthand is correct, ‘ it’s quagmire’. No one can tell the good guys, (unless they’re our boys )from the bad guys anymore.
BarneyG2000,
Do you suppose the criminals and gang members would have been hobbled by gun control laws? I have a hunch that these people do not aquire and possess firearms legally.
Good point, BarneyG2000.
As soon as we put a gun in the house of every citizen we can turn this thing around.
Oh yeah, I’d keep your homoerotic fantasies about the NRA to yourself, this isn’t Frisco.
Steve Crickmore,
Doesn’t really sound like we’re training them.
Hey Barney,
Several weeks ago a headline here in the Philly Inquirer said “Gun Deaths Related To Drugs”. Yep, we know how well the war on drugs is going, too. I always say, boy if we could just get those guns out of the hands of those drug dealers, why, the drug problem would just disappear. Yep, that’s what I say. Plus, well, also that darned drug problem is all Bush’s fault. That’s despite the fact that all politics is local, well, sometimes it is unless it’s all Bush’s fault.
“..do not aquire and possess firearms legally”
That is why the ballistic signature of every hand gun should be registered, and all background check loop-holes should be closed.
It is just like domestic spying, if you’re not a criminal, you got nothing to be afraid of. Right?
Members of the fabricated reality based community, like BarneyG, would prefer that we have the skyrocketing crime and murder rates that are seen in other countries that have gun bans like Austrialia and England.
Lefty Logic: If someone is planning on robbing or killing someone, they’re definitely not going to use a gun if guns are illegal. It’s not like the muggers, theifs, and murderers would want to break the law! No they’d never do that! All we need to do is outlaw guns and they’ll be gone forever. It’s worked great with drugs– we outlawed them and now no one can get any drugs at all.
/secular regressive socialist babble off
At least that helps us understand how stupid one has to be to vote for “democrats”.
Heralder, it doesn’t sound like we are training them very well if militia groups/death squads can inflitrate the police force so easily ,and weapons and uniforms are so unaccounted …I will grant you the US seems finally to be addressing this problem, but not the Maliki government ministries, who are so dependent on the militias support.
“That is why the ballistic signature of every hand gun should be registered, and all background check loop-holes should be closed.”
I have no problem with either of those things but they will not solve the problem at all as the criminals will simply be able to get guns through the black market which cannot ever be stopped (look at our drug laws as an example– we spend billions and have no net effect on drug availability)
The murder rate in Philly is EXACTLY like the problems we are having in Iraq.
Do you liberal’s really think that the terroritsts are the only ones capapble of building a bomb. If you somehow manage to disarm the American public you will have a rude awakening. Instead of shooting the one person the gang members are after they will set off a bomb and get the one person, plus dozens of bystanders. I would, you would, and the gangs will. Common sense is totally missing from the left wing liberal anti-gun dim’s.
That’s right Barney. I own several handguns as well as numerous long guns, all registered, and have nothing to fear from the law, now, give the dim’s a year and I’ll probably have to bury them to keep them. That will be the day I join a revolutionary force to fight the dim’s, violently. I also possess a CWP. Thanks for reminding me to put the 9MM back in the truck, after I check the laser site. Visited the high school yesterday so removed it before I went.
Issue a concealed weapons permit to every ‘honest’ non-criminal citizen that wants one and the violent death rate will take a dive immediately. It’s worked in other places and it will work in Philly. The leadership in Philly are just to stupid (all dim’s) to give it a try. Maybe when the death toll reaches a thousand a year they’ll wake up.
After we get Lee over to Iraq for a first hand inspection, we should re-deploy over the horizon to Pittsburgh!
Moonbeam, I’ve got $10 to add to the pot.
BarneyG2000,
I have no problem whatsoever with that suggestion. That would keep track of guns purchased legally. But again, do you think these criminals get their firearms legally?
Steve Crickmore,
Sounds like a difficult problem to get a handle on. After all, many may have joined the force with the sole purpose of carrying out these acts. If you wear a mask and do it while you’re off duty, it wouldn’t be too hard. The original headline I saw for this story mentioned the “gunmen” were clad in the old police uniforms, but I couldn’t that mention from Reuters.
It’s along the same lines as the general insurgent/terrorist problem. The guy is a civilian until he picks up his weapon, and many times after he is dead and the weapon is removed, he’s a civilian again…and a civilian death.
In this case, these guys might be joining as normal recruits and secretly carrying out these acts. I hope it’s something we an get a handle on and soon. There’s no way we’ll have stability if a portion of the police force is a rogue death squad.
But then, if we withdraw, this problem will get a lot worse rather than better.
Barnyard said:
1.) If the soft on crime Republicans would get behind sensible gun control laws, and stop sucking the dick of the NRA, many of those deaths would have been prevented..
2.) That is why the ballistic signature of every hand gun should be registered, and all background check loop-holes should be closed.
First off, is murder a crime? It is here in Ohio, so I think it is in Philly, so these folks obviously don’t mind breaking THAT law, so why would they obey a law about gun control?
To the second comment, do you have any idea how many guns are out there? Are you going to foot the bill to have all of them checked? What about shotguns? Rifles? Do you think the criminals are going to take their gun to have the ballistics recorded?
Surely you’re just trying to stir things up, I’d like to think no America can really think that way. . . or DOESN’T think for that matter.
I own four rifles, a 12-gage and two pellet hand guns. If you have the attitude that laws don’t prevent crimes, than let’s get rid of all laws.
Ask yourself, why is the NRA so against common sense gun laws as I wrote about above? It is about money. They need a boogie-man to scare all the rednecks into payer their dues.
If a gun could be tracked back to the buyer, than the illegal trade in guns will drop.
Muir(geo?), uh, trust me it ain’t the money. Nice try, though.
Posted by: DaveD
OK Dave then you tell me/us specifically what it is.
And then next you tell me your advice for this kid born to a drug using mom in the ghetto’s of Philly and with no father.
Let’s see your logic through.
Let me phrase it another way Dave.
Is that baby a victim of circumstance, of genetics or of culture? And then explained your proposed solutions with no presumption that the baby even has any boot straps!
If the soft on crime Republicans would get behind sensible gun control laws, and stop sucking the dick of the NRA, many of those deaths would have been prevented..
1. Who mentioned BarneyFrank, McGreevey, or Gavin Newsome?
2. What does gun control have to do with crime? Ask any Philly area cop, I did, and they’ll tell you guns are very prevalent, and most are not legal.
A cop in Chester County told me about a week and a half ago that they confiscate over a dozen illegal guns a week, and this is in a township where avg home price is getting close to half a mil. Yup, only a IDIOT would think controlling guns would control crime.