With the sentencing of Saddam Hussein, we have yet another milestone in the War on Terror accomplished. Hussein, for his crimes against humanity, has been judged by his peers — fellow Iraqis, those who suffered most under his fist — and sentenced to hang by the neck until he is dead.
And with that comes yet more predictions of rises in violence, of riots and terrorist attacks and mayhem in its wake.
But while I always hear about “killing terrorists only makes more terrorists,” I haven’t seen too much evidence of it.
We killed both of Saddam’s sons, the “Scott Evils” of dictators. No real disturbances.
We got Zarqawi with a couple laser-guided love notes. Not much fuss.
We put a lot of Al Qaeda’s leadership in prison or left them pushing up daisies. No major retaliations.
I think it was in a Tom Clancy novel where the characters were discussing the danger of converting a live enemy into a dead martyr. The response, and I’m loosely paraphrasing here:
“Do you know what all martyrs have in common? They’re all dead.”
Killing one’s enemy might inspire more to take up their cause. Or it might show the price of defiance. But the number of terrorists who redouble their efforts after being killed is 0%.
In all of recorded history, I can only think of three figures whose death actually led to more and more support for their cause, eventually leading to the triumph over their oppressors. And all three of them — Jesus Christ, Mahatma Gandhi, and Dr. Martin Luther King — were not terrorists or even men of the sword, but men who preached peace and non-violence.
As the people of Texas are fond of saying, “some folks just need killing.”
And if some people take those deaths as inspiration to become terrorists, then they’ve just moved themselves on to that list of folks.
If you believe that John, then you should surrender. Go now! I’ll be watching you on the terrorist evening news with Wolf Blitzer when at CNN films your head rolling across the floor.
“Of course the people don’t want war.”
The terrorists do.
Judt want you to know that oyster above (lower case “o”) wasn’t me.
That was convincing. Especially the in depth explanation on “why”.
NOT!!!!!!!!
When are you Democrats going to surrender to the terrorists and show them that you are full of love?
Brian, you refuse to answer my question, because you cannot without looking like a moron.
You didn’t ask me a question, nut-tard.
You Democrats running scared with your tail between your legs again?
The question, Brian, was “How do you stop terrorism?”
“Todays Democrats would have believed that we could have stopped Hitler by being nice too.”
Playing the ‘what if’ ‘coulda shoulda woulda’ game?! That’s fun and sooooo fact based!!!
I wanna play too!
Today’s administration (I won’t say Republicans because not all Republicans don’t think that way) would have stopped Hitler by invading Ireland.
You shouldn’t get drunk so early in the day. We invaded a territory of terrorists in afghanistan and iraq. We may be going into iran next. Hopefully not, but what’s right is right. Your analogy is so flawed that it sounds as if it came right out of Kerry’s mouth.
Are you suggesting suhnami that there were no terrorists in Iraq? Do some research next time so you don’t embarress yourself.
I can’t wait till the 60’s hippies die of liver disease or a drug overdose. Their leftist pacifist bullsh*t makes me sick. They are beyond help even when the next muslim terrorist hijacks a plane of NYT reporters chartered to go to a war protest in San Francisco and it crashes killing thousands of liberals, leftists, communists and gay activists, they will still ask “Why do they hate us?”
Bunch of stupid idiots.
theExecutioner proves once again that the Democrats have NO ANSWER on how to stop terrorism (except to surrender).
theExecutioner – Surrendering will not stop terrorism.
I have a plan. But it’s a secret plan. If I tell you, you will blow it.
Thanks to Brian, it is proven once again that the Democrats have NO ANSWER on how to stop terrorism.
lol. This thread is funny.
Jeff is a real American to wish for the death of other Americans who don’t share his views, but wants to live in a free country where people can think freely.
theExecutioner refers to himself in the third person. “Jimmy is pretty sweet on Elaine!”
I never once mentioned cut and run and that Iraq had no terrorists pre-invasion. I’m sure every country in the world does. Should we invade them too?
While the Suhnami didn’t agree with the War in Iraq, I do think the terrorism is a threat and needs to be dealt with, but would have preferred to find Osama since he is the one who actually attacked us. Again, Our President even said Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. NOTHING. From his mouth, not a filter, so I’ll go by that.
Since we’re there and we’re not leaving for a while, one suggestion to help is how about better supplying our troops with top of the line stuff, and including some spare tires so we don’t have to ditch trucks on the side of the road because we can’t replace flats. Since our debt is balooning like the waistline of the majority of people in this country, it might help to be more resourceful.
Those are just a couple of suggestions from the Suhnami. I respect all of your opinions and respect where you stand. I’m hoping you respect mine, but I think Jeff wants me dead. I’m actually a pretty cool person. At least that’s what the Suhnami told me.
theExecutioner refers to himself in the third person. “Jimmy is pretty sweet on Elaine!” -suhnami
???? I told you not to get drunk so early in the day.
It’s a Seinfeld reference. You didn’t see the episode. Probably better that way.
Never watch Seinfeld. Not funny.
John,
9-11 happened in large part because the US set up military bases in Saudia Arabia during the first gulf war.
This is the type of argument that will get us all killed. 9-11 happened for one reason and one reason only: There are those who think that the Koran teaches they should kill everyone who does not believe as they do. Does the Koran teach that? I have no idea and it really doesn’t matter because they believe it. They will attack and kill as many of us as they can and our only hope is to kill them first. Currently, Iraq is the most target-rich environment and that’s where we should be fighting them. If you really think they will stop trying to kill us even if we were to pull all of our bases out of the middle east, then you are in serious denial. People who think like you do risk putting my family in danger and I resent that.
There are less [terrorists] in the world than before.
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I really believe that most of the people in here are terrorists that think they can brainwash ignorant posters.
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Are you suggesting suhnami that there were no terrorists in Iraq? Do some research next time so you don’t embarress yourself.
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Never watch Seinfeld. Not funny.
Four statements that make it impossible to take you seriously. You’re clearly just a troll.
I never once mentioned cut and run and that Iraq had no terrorists pre-invasion. I’m sure every country in the world does. Should we invade them too?
While I’m glad that you understand that there were indeed terrorists in Iraq, and it’s unquestionable that there are in other countries, not all of them have governments which sponsor terrorists supplying them with their own training camps and give money to their families after they blow themselves up?
We’ve invaded two of them. Another one then gave up their nuclear ambitions and another pulled out of the country they had been occupying and ruling for years.
and Brian can’t answer the simple question either. The Democrats have no answer except to surrender.
The last President of the U.S. to “cut and run” was a man named George W. Bush, who “cut and ran” from Afghanistan.
Jeff at 5:47 PM,
hippies, leftist pacifists, liberals, leftists, communists and gay activists.
Those are such funny names you have for those who marched against the Iraq War.
Here’s a couple more:
100% Correct
Prescient
It’s amazing how incredibly correct they were, but don’t let it bother you.
They probably had the advantage of being educated (being so elite and all).
Sputnik,
You stated;
“9-11 happened for one reason and one reason only: There are those who think that the Koran teaches they should kill everyone who does not believe as they do.”
Well, no…. That’s not really what it says, and Jews, Muslims and Christians have long histories of living side by side. I don’t know who got you all wound up man, but your average muslim does not want to kill everybody else. I take it you don’t know any. I also assume you don’t have a passport, and have never bothered to travel the world (and I don’t mean taking a booze cruise in Mexico).
You then state that;
“I have no idea and it really doesn’t matter because they believe it. They will attack and kill as many of us as they can and our only hope is to kill them first.”
Jesus, dude…. Do you know how sick and paranoid that sounds? You’re talking about a Billion muslems around the world. A BILLION people. I try to be nice, but really… What the fuck is wrong inside your head? Do you see the world as a harsh place with people coming to get you? That’s sick. That’s mentaly ill. Are you seeing anybody for this?
You go on to say that;
“Currently, Iraq is the most target-rich environment and that’s where we should be fighting them.”
Them? Them who? Evil people trying to get you? Women and children and old people trying to get you at night, to steal your freedom. Trying to come here, so you’ve got to get them over there?
Dude, THEM is not even the same people that pulled off 9-11. They had absolutly nothing to do with it.
Finaly, you say;
“People who think like you do risk putting my family in danger and I resent that.”
No. You are putting your own family in danger. In fact, you are putting my family in danger.
I don’t think that your stated goal of “Killing as many of them as you can” first, is really making my life safer.
I’m hardly this harsh with posters, but you are a sick individual, and I hope you get help.
John
You just went and made that up. Those deep profound thoughts you think you are having while inebriated on “happy weed” only seem deep and profound to you.
Trust me on this.
Really……
“As the people of Texas are fond of saying, “some folks just need killing.'”
Yeah, like mentally retarded people, and women, and minors. Yep, you gotta love those Texans Jay, they just exemplify our republican values.
wwjd huh Jay? Onward christian soldiers marching on to war with the cross of jesus….. –
“At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?”
When we nuke them and their families John. It’s the only way. I would like to suggest a sort of genocide against all those pesky Muslims. I mean, how can we tell the good ones from the bad ones? There are billions of them, at least it would help ease the world food shortage problem. I say nuke em all; like a giant micro wave oven! Texas style justice, just like Jay likes.
That will teach them to fly planes into our buildings!
No jumpinjoe, I didn’t make that up.
Bushboy bailed from Afghanistan.
Just because you’re too young to remember it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Well so far from any thread here tonight, the only plan any one of the left wing persuasion has articulated has been to hand radical jihad terrorists care packages. That’s just step one. Step two is they group hug with us.
It’s a beautiful thing man (sniff) just beautiful.
Oh master, I am your grasshopper, please enlighten me.
I disagree with Jumpinjoe. I don’t believe Robert is drunk at all, just insane. Well, maybe insane AND drunk.
So, today’s big question is…
“At the current rate of terrorist eradication, then, when do you predict all of them will be killed and Iraq will be terrorist free?”
If Democrats want to lose, and only Republicans want to win, then…
When do you Republicans expect to win?
John
and Brian can’t answer the simple question either.
Oh, brother. The “simple” question of how to achieve world peace. That’s what you claim is the Republican view? “Just bomb them… it’s simple!”
Well, your “simple” plan isn’t working.
Thanks to Brian, it is proven once again that the Democrats have NO ANSWER on how to stop terrorism.
OK, here’s a plan… GO AFTER THE TERRORISTS!
“When do you Republicans expect to win?”
A WHOLE LOT sooner than if we surrender.
“OK, here’s a plan… GO AFTER THE TERRORISTS!”
BINGO! I’m glad you’re on board.
The washed up comedians that make up the ensemble on air America and spoon feed lefties the party line told Robert he was smarter than the President.
Robert, after receiving his condescending pat on the head actually believed them.
Now, for some strange reason I almost feel sorry for him. Maybe it’s the compassionate conservative coming out in me.
>”When do you Republicans expect to win?”
A WHOLE LOT sooner than if we surrender.
Thanks to theExecutioner, it is proven once again that the Republicans have NO ANSWER on how to win.
C’mon, theExec… it’s a “simple” question.
“When do you Republicans expect to win?”
Or do you refuse to answer the question because you cannot without looking like a moron?
BINGO! I’m glad you’re on board.
I was from day one. Let me know when Bush starts going after terrorists.
“Let me know when Bush starts going after terrorists.”
You mean the suicide bombers in Iraq are NOT terrorists? Oh my, enlighten me please. LOL
John,
That’s not really what it says
I didn’t say it did. I said there are those who think it does…I also state later that I don’t know if it says that or not. My point is not that that the Koran tells believers to kill the infidel, only that some of them believe that it does. Is this not true?
I don’t know who got you all wound up man, but your average muslim does not want to kill everybody else.
I agree with you here. Maybe I thought I was being more clear than I was when I said “there are those who believe…”. I’m specifically talking about the Muslims who do believe that this is what the Koran says.
You’re talking about a Billion muslems around the world.
No, I don’t believe I am. See above comments.
Do you see the world as a harsh place with people coming to get you?
The world? No. Muslim Extremists? Yes. Me personally? No.
Them? Them who? Evil people trying to get you? Women and children and old people trying to get you at night, to steal your freedom.
Them? Again Muslim Extremists. Not women, children & old people – the terrorists that are currently being fought in Iraq. The ones who have have been known to kidnap, torture, and behead. The ones who lay roadside bombs.
Dude, THEM is not even the same people that pulled off 9-11. They had absolutly nothing to do with it.
Wrong. They are exactly the same people. The same individuals? No. The same ideology? Yes.
“I don’t think that your stated goal of “Killing as many of them as you can” first, is really making my life safer.”
Hopefully, you can maybe now see how this goal can make your life safer when you realize that I am talking about the extremists who what to kill us – not muslims in general.
“…you are a sick individual”
While I did say that I resent that people who think like you risk putting my family in danger, I did not resort to name-calling. I have just gotten very tired of hearing how it’s all our fault. If only we hadn’t done this or that they wouldn’t hate us so much. I don’t believe it. The extremists I referred to hate us because we are not like them and nothing we can do except possibly converting to Islam will ever change that.
Robert, I’m waiting for you to splain this Afghanistan “cut and run” thing. My sympathy for your simpleton nature is growing thin if you don’t get crack’in (Not with your pipe) on the answer.
Dazzle us.
What if I say please?
Democrats sure are quick to run and hide when asked a simple question.
Can you perform a retroactive abortion? If so there are a few commenters on here and we can locate about 500 candidiates among the dimwit candidiates that it should be performed on tomorrow. As the say in Texas, some people just deserve to die. Maybe the next terrorists attack will get it right. Democratic caucus in congress is a good target.
Democrats new prayer: Lord, please let someone perform a BJ on Bush so we can impeach him if he lies about it under oath and in front of millions of Americans. Amen –AlLa Slick Willie
Stolen from somewhere.
Sccrapiron, it’s the asylum for you on line two. They want to know how you escaped again!
You mean the suicide bombers in Iraq are NOT terrorists? Oh my, enlighten me please. LOL
No, they’re not terrorists that will follow us home and attack us here. Consider yourself enlightened. LOL right back at ya.
“You mean the suicide bombers in Iraq are NOT terrorists? Oh my, enlighten me please. LOL
No, they’re not terrorists that will follow us home and attack us here. Consider yourself enlightened. LOL right back at ya.
Posted by: Brian at November 6, 2006 10:23 PM”
PROOF that the Dems are INSANE! ROFL
theExecutioner is sure quick to run and hide when asked a simple question.
“When do you Republicans expect to win?”
Or do you refuse to answer the question because you cannot without looking like a moron?
PROOF that the Dems are INSANE! ROFL
No, just proof that Repubs either can’t or won’t read.
Or that they won’t believe something even when Bush says it from his own lips.
Or they just make sh*t up.
Or maybe it’s just you.