Yesterday was a bad day to be a liberal.
First up, it was revealed that the outing (and resignation) of former congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) was done at the hands of a staffer for the “Human Rights Campaign” (one of the George Soros-backed groups with lofty names that keep springing up like cockroaches, and that will be struggling for a purpose to exist once George Bush leaves office), who had done the outing while on the clock at HRC, and apparently used HRC computers and other resources to take down the incumbent sleazeball.
Next, ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) was accused of submitting literally hundreds of fraudulent voter registration cards in Missouri. This is the same ACORN (another group backed by Soros, oddly enough) that was accused of pulling the same shenanigans in Ohio, Minnesota, North Carolina, and Virginia in 2004.
It never fails to amaze me how so many on the Left can repeatedly accuse Diebold of rigging elections without solid evidence, yet conveniently whitewash and forget about incidents like this. I guess it’s OK to commit election fraud on the retail level, but bad to possibly steal an election wholesale.
Now, normally, I’d say that fine, we caught the bad guys, let’s fire ’em, prosecute them if necessary, and then just move on from here. But that’s old thinking. In the light of the Tom DeLay and Mark Foley examples, among countless others, there is a new ethical standard to be upheld.
In that light, I am calling for a full federal — perhaps even Congressional — investigation into both HRC (no, not Hillary Rodham Clinton, Human Rights Campaign) and ACORN, as well as demanding the immediate resignation of the top leaders of both groups. Either they knew about and the misdeeds of their underlings and covered for them, or they should have known and were inept and negligent in not knowing.
In all seriousness, this matter should give HRC a serious black eye, and destroy any credibility they’ve managed to buy over the years. ACORN, however, should be thoroughly investigated. I had nearly forgotten about ACORN’s history of shady voter registrations, always explained as the misdeeds of some “misguided volunteers and employees.” They need to be looked at, and looked at hard.
It was held for months, despite the continuing “threat” from Foley, and its release was timed for political effect, not to protect The Chirren.
Wow, it’s amazing to see someone still parroting this canard, even after it’s been repeatedly disproven and discredited, both in the blogosphere and in the media.
whats sad groucho is that your party excuses their garbage while the republicans take theirs out.
brian, whats amazing is that you somehow know what this staffer knew and when he knew it when he was JUST IDENTIFIED! How could the fact that this information was held back be disproven and discredited when they just found out who released it in the first place?!
nogo postal: Are you drunk? Was that supposed to be your story or part of some campaign commercial? In any case I’ve got a big hint for that loser who can barely afford his share of the rent:Get a full time job! Shocking idea huh? But that’s typical of Democrats-always looking for someone else to pay their bills.
I have to laugh at the comments from the liberals here. The Democratic party claims to be open-minded, but if Lee, groucho, and company are representatives… it shows Democrats to be closed-minded, blind, and stupid. Scandal about the Democrats? Claim it’s irrelevent, happened too long ago to matter, or simply totally refuse to acknowledge it. These are the people who claim to be tolerant, open-minded, and embracing all opinions, yet as soon as a dissenting voice speaks, they rush frantically to censor it (like the Columbia University liberal crowd who rushed the stage and shut down the minutemen and proudly crowed about showing everyone those with dissenting opinions weren’t welcome there… and then claimed THEY were the victims.) Two sayings really stand out regarding your crowd: Do as I say, not as I do… and There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Yeah Brian its been disproven just like the Swift Boat Vets were refuted-that is not at all.
Groucho, Studds was NOT “an openly gay man” until his getting the 17-year-old page all liquored up and having his way with the boy was exposed. Then — and only then — did he bravely “come out.”
Several other points have given me a notion for a followup piece; I ought to have it ready for tomorrow.
J.
This waiting on the election is sooo dificult
Have you ever noticed that when the name “groucho” comes to mine you think of DUMBASS?
Michelle the reason why the left behaves in such a way is that their only purpose and goal is to obtain political power.Claiming to be open minded and tolerant helps disguise their totalitarian nature,actually being open minded and tolerant would expose it.They fear and hate dissent like a vampire fears daylight-hence the never ending attempts to shut up those who oppose them by any means available.They ignore scandals and crimes in their own ranks because having ethical standards would interfere with obtaining power.For example they have no problem with Harry Reid and his real estate crimes but are still LIVID because ex-congressman Foley sent dirty IMs to a page.Another example is the endless vote fraud by groups such as ACORN.Democrats have no problem with that but as Jay Tea noted they continually froth at the mouth about Diebold.Any tactic is acceptable if it helps them “win” elections.In other countries the left killed millions to silence dissent-here they’re reduced to stealing elections and rushing stages.While this is despicable I still think the US has been lucky especially when compared to the worst hit countries-look what the left did to Cambodia or Russia for example.I’m sure they’ll keep trying here though.
George Soros is just like Ted Turner their both always donating to certian leftists groups and if i remember ACORN was that group who invaded congressional HQ waving food trays i mean they even got certiian laws past then tried to sue so they were exempt from the very laws they got past what a bunch of nuts ACORN is NO PUN INTENDID
How could the fact that this information was held back be disproven and discredited when they just found out who released it in the first place?!
When it was released and who released it are two different issues. We know when the information was released. Identifying the releaser doesn’t change that.
Yeah Brian its been disproven just like the Swift Boat Vets were refuted-that is not at all.
“Not at all” for those for whom exposure of their lies leaves them with nothing left to say. But “quite soundly” for rational people.
“Quite soundly for rational people.” Like the 70 million that voted for Bush?
Jay,
Studds’ gayness became a more public issue after his behavior came to light, but apparently surprised very few, I think La Cage au Foley was a little more in the closet. No matter, it’s just another lame attempt at gotcha by the reeling right.
My day is complete! I’ve been noticed by jslow66!
Good afternoon Brian.The only evidence you have that the Swift Boat Vets were refuted is your own baseless assertion.Keep saying it though-one day you might actually come to believe it.And I have much much more I could say about this and every other subject too.But we’ve been over this before haven’t we?
Hi Groucho I’ve noticed you too! Now your day is even better! So Foley was in the closet you say.I take it that you mean his private life was in fact private.So then please explain how the house GOP leadership could have been involved in a cover up? I mean, he was in the closet right? And wasn’t that the whole reason why anyone outside his district should care about Foley-because the GOP leadership was covering something up? Good work Groucho-now my day is complete.You just admitted that the entire Democratic line on Foley is nothing more than a sham designed to fool people.But we all knew that already didn’t we?
grouchy,
You were noticed the way a cockroach gets noticed scurrying across the floor when you turn on the light in a dark room.
If you actually listen to people FROM FOLEY’S DISTRICT, his gayness was well known.
IOW, why cover up something (Foley’s gayness) that’s common knowledge?
Brian, identifying the releaser has EVERYTHING to do with it, because there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you could EVER now how long that person was holding on to the information! The only thing you know, as you admitted, is when the information was released, there is no way you could know how long it has been known given the “knower” was just identified. Good god man.
I see three separate issues:
-Foley’s sexual preference. None of my, nor any of your, business.
-his well documented long history of behavior most certainly immoral and inappropriate for his office; no longer a congressman, that’s a good thing.
-the pretty clear evidence that this behavior which virtually everyone, regardless of party, would agree IS unacceptable for a congressman was tolerated and ignored by those in leadership for purely political reasons. THAT”S my issue. Not a very shining moment for the “values” party. And guess what?…most non-sheeple can see it for exactly what it is.
Sheik…that was my line! Get your own material..
The only evidence you have that the Swift Boat Vets were refuted is your own baseless assertion.
And the pages I linked to, which you naturally dismiss. BTW, your evidence that Dems had the Foley info for a long time and sat on it is more than baseless assertions?
But we’ve been over this before haven’t we?
Indeed we have.
Like the 70 million that voted for Bush?
I’ve said before that Kerry did a poor job of exposing the lies. But it’s been some time since then, and exposed they have been.
To the 70 million that voted for Bush, and to the majority of Americans who favor impeaching him.
Brian, identifying the releaser has EVERYTHING to do with it, because there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you could EVER now how long that person was holding on to the information!
Your point that I was addressing was that the info was held until released at a politically motivated moment, for political purposes. We know, though, that the info was obtained in July, and promptly turned over to the FBI. I have yet to see a demonstration of political timing based on those events.
The only thing you know, as you admitted, is when the information was released, there is no way you could know how long it has been known given the “knower” was just identified.
Whatever it is, it’s not nearly as long as these knowers.
Brian: On the Swift Boat matter you linked to one page.It was some guy commenting on a Susan Estrich column! I’m still amazed you would do something so unbelievably amazingly pathetic.And the guy commenting didn’t even like the column! Couldn’t you just link to the original column for God’s sake? So no I remain unconvinced that the Swift Boat Vets have been refuted.On the Foley matter I told you where to find numerous stories-gatewaypundit-documenting the statements I have made about Foley et al.You yourself have commented tonight on another thread here about a staffer being fired for actions regarding the Foley case.Now why would anyone get fired if Republicans were only making baseless assertions? So yes indeed we have been over this-and you still can’t come up with anything to back up your assertions!
Groucho-you said earlier Foley was in the closet.So which is it? Was he in the closet and thus unknown to be gay,or did have a long history of inappropriate behavior? And inappropriate by what standards? I can see why Republicans would want Foley to resign-but I can’t see why Democrats would even notice.Barney Franks lover was running a gay whorehouse in Frank’s apartment-wasn’t that inappropriate? You dismiss the case of Gerry Studds because it happened “decades ago”.So if we waited 10 years would Foley’s conduct be OK too? So what reasons do Democrats tolerate Jay Mollahan? Not because they’ll lose that seat if he goes is it? How about real estate magnate Harry Reid? What about his conduct? Do you want him to resign too? Heads the Democrats win,tails the GOP loses.Foley must go because the GOP has standards-i.e. we’re the “values” party-but Harry Reid,Barney Frank,Jay Mollohan,Gerry Studds,etc can stay because Democrats have no standards-i.e. they are the “no values” party.That’s MY issue Groucho,and that’s why I think you folks are nothing but a swarm of slimy hypocrites
You yourself have commented tonight on another thread here about a staffer being fired for actions regarding the Foley case.Now why would anyone get fired if Republicans were only making baseless assertions?
You are back to your basic tactic of making up things that no one ever said so you can respond to them, or conflating two separate events.
A staffer being fired for misusing a web site has no relationship to the argument that someone knew of and withheld sordid facts for an unknown length of time (except as admitted by Republicans).
So what did I make up Brian? What? I put no words in your mouth.I just noted that you had made a comment on another thread about an HRC staffer being fired.So you deny making a comment? Your complaint doesn’t make any sense.I find your desription of the reason for this staffer losing his job-“misusing a website”-bizarre and misleading.Go read the article posted at gaypatriot-I know you won’t like my desription of it.I note that it ties into the stories at gatewaypundit about Foleygate when the scandal first broke-which I’m sure you read with interest since the Foley story is so important to you and your party.
I just noted that you had made a comment on another thread about an HRC staffer being fired.So you deny making a comment?
Not at all. I observed that he was fired for inappropriately using the web site. But then you said:
Now why would anyone get fired if Republicans were only making baseless assertions?
Those “baseless assertions” are a reference to when I said you baselessly claim that “Dems had the Foley info for a long time and sat on it”.
So you are in effect saying, “Now why would anyone get fired [for posting to the web site] if Republicans were only making baseless assertions [that Dems had the Foley info for a long time and sat on it]?”
And the answer is… huh??? One thing has nothing to do with the other. It’s like saying, “why would Foley resign if the Republicans were only making baseless assertions that the Dems knew all about it?”
So what did I make up Brian? What?
That.
Brian you still aren’t making any sense.You know,one of the many amazing things about leftists is just how credulous they become when one of their own gets caught doing something unethical or criminal.For example Harry Reid’s real estate dealings.He “forgot” to file the proper forms.Oh okay.Case closed! No need to ask anymore questions! Now you make yet another baseless assertion-that the reason the staffer was fired has nothing to do with the Democrats sitting on info about Foley.How do you know that Nostrodamus? Because the HRC says so? Do you really expect anyone to come out and say it was a pre-planned political hit job? Do you think they won’t try stop questions by firing the point man-at least until the election is over? Now obviously you believe everything leftists say no matter how stupid but I don’t.You can be as credulous as you obviously are but I’m not.And I’m still waiting to hear how the Swift Boat Vets were refuted.No doubt you baslessly think they were just because Kerry asserted it so I won’t hold my breath.
Is this the twilight zone or did I miss something?
Witness, if you will, a dissolutioned young liberal. He lives in a world or apathy and sorrow. His sense of reality is epherimal, at best–and crushed at worst. He seeks to find some justification in his life and he stumbles into a conservative blog…or so he thinks. But he discovers, to his horror that he has entered…
THE TWI-RIGHT ZONE.
My day was quite bitter and sad
And to Wizbangblog fuming and mad
I did lurk and then surf
Til I saw JC’s Mirth
Oh your pun is quite right and I’m glad!
For example Harry Reid’s real estate dealings.
Oh my, you go right to changing the subject when you are caught in a lie, don’t you? Let’s go back to the actual topic at hand, shall we?
Now you make yet another baseless assertion-that the reason the staffer was fired has nothing to do with the Democrats sitting on info about Foley.
Oh yes, quite “baseless”. I have nothing to “base” it on. It is “based” on nothingness. There is no “base” here:
Now, you can say he’s lying, and you can say the NYT is In Osama’s pocket, and you can say Hilary Clinton knew about Foley 10 years ago and has been blackmailing him for cocaine money all this time. But before you don your tinfoil hat and go spouting off your conspiracy delusions in a public forum, all the while deriding factually supported arguments as “baseless”, you ought to be prepared to back them up with some “base” of your own. Otherwise you’re just sputtering hallucinogenic nonsense. Which you’re quite good at, by the way.
brian you are seriously delusional. First you try to argue that we know when the information was obtained, July you say, let me point out that that is 3-4 months before it was released, which is exactly what everyone has been saying, it was held back and politically timed!! Further, you say:
“A staffer being fired for misusing a web site has no relationship to the argument that someone knew of and withheld sordid facts for an unknown length of time”
This just makes zero sense. How is it possible for a staffer to create a website devoted to outing Foley while at the same time having no knowledge of any sordid facts?! This is such a ludicrous statement! The staffer being fired has EVERYTHING to do with someone having knowledge of sordid facts! HE HAD THE SORDID FACTS, how long did he have them and sit on them? If he didn’t have sordid facts then just what exactly was his website about that he got fired for?! It just blows my mind that you can’t comprehend this, though it really shouldn’t surprise me. I must add one more thing. I said:
“The only thing you know, as you admitted, is when the information was released, there is no way you could know how long it has been KNOWN given the “knower” was just identified.”
You said:
“Whatever it is, it’s not nearly as long as these knowers (link).”
So by saying that it wasn’t known for nearly as long as the info from your link was known, you conceded that it was indeed known for a time. You contradict yourself at every turn, truly pathetic.
July you say, let me point out that that is 3-4 months before it was released, which is exactly what everyone has been saying, it was held back and politically timed!!
Known in July, and released in July. Not held back, not politically timed. This is an incontrovertable fact.
How is it possible for a staffer to create a website devoted to outing Foley while at the same time having no knowledge of any sordid facts?! This is such a ludicrous statement!
Yes it is, and I didn’t make that statement. Clearly someone who made the site had the facts at the time that he made the site. What’s ludicrous, pathetic, makes zero sense, and the other adjectives you throw around is making the baseless leap that he must have known this information for a long time and held it back. For all you know, he found out about it that morning, and was so disgusted that he put it up on the site. Do we know for sure? Not really. But then I’m not the one making up conspiracy theories based on what we do know.
brian you’ve got to be fucking kidding me, you can NOT be this dense?! If all of this information that you say was obtained in july, was released in july, then why did we not here about the im’s until a month ago?! Because you say its incontrovertible does not make it so.
You say “Clearly someone who made the site had the facts at the time that he made the site”, it is not just someone, it is the guy who got fired who made the site, and he had the information to make the site, and if you think he got the information that morning and decided to throw up a website instead of reporting it to authorites, than you are denser than I knew. Not to mention, he obviously had the information, and DID NOT give it to authorities, he made a website instead. You are truly delusional, no surprise from such a blinded by hate liberal. You say, “Do we know for sure? Not really” yet you consistantly say that your arguments are incotrovertible!! Amazing!!
If all of this information that you say was obtained in july, was released in july, then why did we not here about the im’s until a month ago?!
Again conflating two separate things. Because in July it was released to the FBI, the responsible thing to do. What sparked ABC to run the story the day they did? I don’t know. But I do know that accusations that “the left” sat on this without telling anyone are blatantly false.
You can keep getting yourself into a lather over “maybe this” or “conspiracy that”. And when you can cite new facts to contradict the ones that are out there, I’ll believe you. But until then, you’re just shaking your tinfoil hat loose.
I think the problem here brian is that you simply don’t understand any of this and are just parroting your liberal talking points. The e-mails were released in july to the FBI, who didn’t think they were particularly interesting, the im’s came out last month. What sparked ABC to run the story the day they did? You have got to be kidding me! They ran it the day they did because they had a scoop on the im’s, what a coincidence it just happened to be in october! For you to say that the accusation that the left sat on these im’s before giving them to ABC is blatantly false is ridiculous, you have ZERO proof that they didn’t sit on them, just as I have zero proof that they did. But, the FACT that the media received the im’s (and not the FBI), the fact that the guy who was fired was creating a website to out foley with the im’s and other information, meaning he had all of this information previous, unlike what you think, that he just all of a sudden threw a web page together after getting the info that morning, and the fact that this is a major fucking election ALL point towards the dems sitting on it. Both sides here are doing all kinds of ridiculous shit this election cycle brian, for you to think that this wasn’t politically timed is just completely naive and idiotic. And no matter how many times you say your arguments are incontrovertible, you have ZERO evidence, just as you have ZERO evidence to say that accusations against the left are blatantly false. How can you say that? Do you know? Were you there? Do you just not believe that the dems would ever do something like that? How do you know brian? How do you KNOW that those accusations are blatantly false, give me some evidence brian.