I still can’t believe this guy was president for eight years. It is amazing that a majority of the American people would elect this guy twice. (Oops, forgot — they didn’t.) If you haven’t seen the video of Bill Clinton’s meltdown yet, check it out now.
Update; One thing that you can say about Bill Clinton is that he is consistent. The first press conference he held after becoming President was striking to me in that he spent an incredible amount of time blaming the evil Republicans for everything. At the time I thought he sounded so unlike any other president in my lifetime and I just knew he would not be successful by blaming others rather than taking responsibility for his own actions (or inaction). I was wrong because he did enjoy success in the opinion polls by bashing his opponents. (A big dot com bubble that boosted the economic outlook didn’t hurt either.)
I was right too though, partially at least, because he never did really win over those on the other side of the aisle, at least not at the ballot box. Listen to any of Clinton’s speeches or interviews and you will hear at least some form of blame being placed on his opponents. Like I said, he is consistent.
Kimsblackchild
“What was George bush doing about Bin Ladin prior to 911“
What were You doing about it?
muirgeo,
I have given you the facts of Clinton lying. You yourself admitted that Clinton chose a lazy and stupid man like Sandy Berger to be his NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR. Then you expect us to believe that Clinton was telling the truth about his effort in terrorism. How do you know the websites you provided are telling the truth?
If you want I can show you what the chickenhawf liberal left has been doing: these chickenhawks are willing to compare America and its military to the Nazis and Bush to Hitler. Yet at the same time, they embraced people like Michael Moore (a propagandist for Saddam Hussein) who was seated next to Carter at the Dem convention. Carter enabled the election fraud of Chavez, another thuggish dictator. Do you know Clinton went oversea and smear America with his lies.
I have shown you facts and logic from your own arg. Do you want to follow the logic of your own arg or you just want to spout fact-free talking points?
Do you agree that the left has been chickenhawk in terms of their behavior (attacking America and Bush far more than the terrorists)?
HE LIKES TO WAVE THAT FINGER WHEN HE’S TELLING THE TRUTH DOES’NT HE.
muirgeo,
But coming from a group of people who think the Earth is 6,000 years old, that evolution and global warming are hoaxes and that if they heard it on Rush it must be fact what more do I have to prove.
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No one is talking about the age of the earth here yet. The fact that you have to resort to this strawman to justify your name calling shows that you have neither logic nore facts on your side. You cannot even follow the logic of your own arg.
Talking about Bin Laden. The guy didn’t dare to show up his face and the chickenhawk left is talking tough about getting him while they want to cut and run from the terrorists. The liberals in Canada and Holland even want to allow Sharia laws. Truly chickenhawk!
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060923/D8KAHRNG0.html
France Looks Into bin Laden Death Report
That’s because there is no logic thereof to follow..
Dont waste Your time arguing with a certifiable lunatic.
BTW… a fact that many people forget is that we do not live in a democracy. “What?” you ask, “are you crazy?!” In fact I’m correct… we DO NOT live in a democracy. We live in a democratic republic… there is a distinct difference look it up.
http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm
Irony time for the likes of muir.
In 2001, David Halberstam wrote a book entitled “War in a Time of Peace”. He was detailing the issues of combat in times without “official” wars and profiled Reagan, Bush, and Carter.
The book dealt, EXTENSIVELY, with Somalia, Haiti, and Yugoslavia.
One thing it didn’t even mention — not one single time — was OBL or terrorism.
If this was a major issue with Clinton, Halberstam (who interviewed him and his advisors extensively) would have mentioned it AT LEAST ONE SINGLE TIME.
The Khobar Towers. The US embassies. All had been attacked before the book was completed. The Cole was attacked during the writing of the book.
Not a single Clinton official mentioned terrorism at all for a book that would likely find it quite fascinating as it deals with the book’s basic premise.
-=Mike
I tried to get bin Laden before I didn’t try to get him.
muirgeo, I have to say you hear, only what you want to hear.
“On President lied about a personal matter that didn’t get ONE person killed.”
Ron Brown, Vince foster, Jim McDougal and then the Bombing of the Plant in Sudan, the Bambings of Iraq and let us NOT forget the Trade off with China. Who was stealing secrets from Los Alamos? Who gave the W-88 Multi Strike Warhead to China? Who gave 600 Super Computers to Chinca? Who gave them the Delivery System Tech? who now has a man in Space, or is Long Range Weapon Devlopement? Not ONE Killed? hmmmm 9-11-01 was months several years in the planning and Bush jr was only President for 7 months.
“The other read My Pet Goat for 7 minutes while our country was being attacked” What would you have preferred him to do, panick?
“then he lied us into a war that has cost us half a trillion dollars, far more lives then were lost in 9-11” Slow down… What was the lie? Understand LIE means with INTENT. Are you referring to 17 IGNORED U.N. Resolutions? WMDs, we have found over 500 WMDs, except the Liberals refuse to beleive they are WMDs, well the Three biggest would be Saddam, Ousay and Ouday but I guess WMDs only come in Metal Containers???
“and in the process he committed a felon by violating the wiretap laws” He never tapped a phone and Norad monitors tranmissions and has over two dozen key words that interact a trace ASAP and have for decades. How did Bush Tap, did he have a pocket recorder hooked up to a Party line?
“and he is guilty of war crimes by violating the Geneva Conventions.” What War Crimes? abuse? are you saying it is ok to beat POWs and Cut their heads off but not ok to humilate them? These are not people who wore a uniform nor flew a flag, they are terrorists who would love to Blow themselves up where there are women and children and you defend them?
“He’s set up an economy that only advances the very wealthy and will ultimately lead to the 3rd Republican lead Depression as out debt and trade balance grows.”
The debt has been growing since World War II and is not something that came with the Republicans, you should take note that before Reagan became Pres the DOW hardly ever went over 1000 pts, since Ronnie we are kissing 12,000 due to the Reaganomics that Clinton rode on. Also look at the amount that the National Debt Grew with Bill and remember Bill used the Social Security money to cover his spending and Bush tried to make the SS money off limits to the Government and it has been the Democrats blocking passage.
Only Advances the Wealthy? how is that? Bill Gates pays hundreds of millions of U.S. Dollars in taxes, what do you pay?
“Meanwhile he’s totally ignored out three biggest threats from WMD from Korea, Pakistan and nuclear material in Russia.” Has he?
“For Bush’s efforts Afghanistan is a Taliban strong hold and the poppy business is booming,”
You mean Pakistan.
“Iraq is on the verge of a civil war,” yeah so?
” Hamas , and Hezbolla are as defiant as ever,” what do you expect Bush to do, give them medications?
“the economy is on a knives edge from disaster,”
No it isn’t.
“our infrastructure and our National Parks are crumbling,” What????? Did I miss the news one night??
“science is ignored,” Why? because he refuse to accept Embryo Stem cell Research? so don’t i and I am also against abortion after the 12th week but Clinton passed the Partial Birth Abortion.
“the debt is the largest ever,” of course it is, want to cash in the foriegn IOUs and Bonds? what a collasp that would create.
“middle class America (THAT’S YOU DING DONGS) are falling behind in spite of working harder then ever,” Bush is to blame? how is that?
“Corporations are stealing the treasury, corruption and graft is everywhere, the electoral process is completely untrusted and the world looks at us in disbelief.” I miss another night of News, wow! I bet you carry a gun and you pull the shades and you never leave your house.
“And good people who call themselves Christians rally behind the war loving poor hating Administration as if Jesus is right with them” He is, Iraq is home to many of the Christian Biblical happenings. Don’t you think the people of Iraq have as much a right to basic life as YOU do? If you don’t want to help, fine.. LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.
“….daohohohohoh….shakes my and rubs my eyes…WTH are you all drinking??? You clueless Hypnotized Bushbots….you are the biggest cult this country has ever seen…..” I feel good about what we are doing, I support the war, I beelive it is working and you ca learn more to by going to http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq/rebuilding.html
When we are married we tend to be so in public, in front of family and friends and make a vow before them, not in private. Weddings and marriage are public events. This doesn’t appear to be a private matter to me, but a public matter.
Cheating spouses are public matters? What time period do you live in, the 1600s? I challenge you to find two people who agree with you that the average citizen’s infidelities are a matter of public import.
>>The other read My Pet Goat for 7 minutes while our country was being attacked
No one knew what was happening that day. Most of us are old enough to remember it quite vividly still. Were we under attack?
Obviously you don’t remember that day vividly enough. Yes, we were. That 7 minutes he was referring to were the minutes after Andy Card whispered in Bush’s ear “America is under attack.” It’s a lie for you to suggest that “no one knew what was happening that day.” Bush knew exactly what was happening, because he was told by those who knew exactly what was happening.
>>and in the process he committed a felon by violating the wiretap laws
You’re welcome to this opinion but you’ll have to accept the fact that many in this country disagree with you
Three separate federal judges concluded that Bush’s actions and directives violated laws, and were therefore felonies. This is judicial fact, not opinion. You’re welcome to disagree, but you’ll have to accept this fact.
but believe it is in his power to protect you and I through wiretapping.
It is absolutely within his power to wiretap. No one has disputed this. The law says he can. He just needs to get a warrant first, and then off he can go! What makes you think that anyone has said otherwise?
We havn’t been attacked here in the United States since 9/11 thanks to Bush’s wiretap program.
There hasn’t been a zebra attack in NY either. Bush must be doing something right!
>>and he is guilty of war crimes by violating the Geneva Conventions.
This is a new one to me, i’m not even sure what this is refering to.
Try picking up a newspaper from time to time. Best to educate yourself on the world around you before spouting off.
Also, under the Bush Tax Cuts, it is a fact, not my opinion, that out of all of the taxes paid the wealthiest pay a larger percent than they did prior to the Bush Tax Cuts.
Hey, you economic genius. That’s because they are receiving a higher percentage of total income than they did in years past! Take some math classes before posting again.
I propose a challenge, Muirgeo, pick just a single one of the above talking points that I just fisked and try to focus on it and it only and I can bet you won’t be able to provide facts to back up even one of those talking points.
You lose, though it was hard to pick just one. But I’m not Muirgeo, so I suppose it’s a draw.
But then what will you do without facts? Change your mind and allow the facts to dictate reality to you, or force the square peg into the round hole?
It’s clear what you do without facts. Make up your own.
Mungo, and his Pooh-Bear devotees wish for World Peace in their Christmas stocking every year, and dang burn it, they just don’t get it on Christmas Day.
Nice Utopia ya got there. Let me know when it doesn’t look like a socialist or communist dictatorship.
They want a “soft” war, and all al Quaeda gives them is the hard one. Dang!
Please go back to your happy place and don’t bother us over here in the Real World.
Wow, I just saw that unhinged, illogical rant by Rob.
What a prick, huh?
Actually, I found that the lack of response from Muirgeo quite responsible, what could he say? Rob on the other hand wasn’t so wise.
Rob wrote;
Cheating spouses are public matters?
Actually, yes they are. This is why in many states you can bring evidence before the judge that your spouse cheated on you (That is, in public court) and it counts against your spouse in the proceedings.
It’s a lie for you to suggest that “no one knew what was happening that day.”
This just goes to show what simpletons some folks can be. What sort of attack was American involved in? Nuclear attack, ground war, some sort of invasion? I’m sure you would have preferred for President Bush to go running out of the room immediately screaming with his hands waving in the air yelling, “We’re all going to die!”
I prefer my President to sit calmly for 7 minutes, finish reading the book to the children, and remain calm and poised. I’m sure you do to and if it was Clinton, you’d praise the action.
Three separate federal judges concluded that Bush’s actions and directives violated laws, and were therefore felonies. This is judicial fact, not opinion. You’re welcome to disagree, but you’ll have to accept this fact.
And they then threw President Bush in jail for committing these felonies and Cheney is now the President of the United States. Oh, wait…. hmmmm, what’s wrong with these “facts” of yours? Making stuff up and facts are two seperate things.
He just needs to get a warrant first, and then off he can go!
Perhaps you can explain to me how one can obtain a warrant to wiretap millions of phone calls in order to spread a net wide enough to capture terrorists?
This is what the President has the authority to do in a time of war and he does not need to appeal to a co-equal branch of government. The President is a branch of government.
There hasn’t been a zebra attack in NY either. Bush must be doing something right!
You lost me, are you saying New Yorkers are in danger of Zebra attacks, or are you saying New Yorkers are not in danger of further terrorist attacks?
Try picking up a newspaper from time to time. Best to educate yourself on the world around you before spouting off.
I’ll note that you didn’t bother to provide any evidence to the assertion. You must not know what he’s talking about either.
Hey, you economic genius. That’s because they are receiving a higher percentage of total income than they did in years past! Take some math classes before posting again.
I’ll assume you misunderstood what I wrote as your response does not make any sense in light of what I wrote.
The highest possible tax bracket for income is $250,000.00. This is true under Bush as it was under Clinton. Those making $250,000.00 or more pay a larger percent of taxes under Bush than they did under Clinton. In other words, a progressive tax.
You lose, though it was hard to pick just one. But I’m not Muirgeo, so I suppose it’s a draw.
Yes, it is difficult to pick just one. If you did so it would be rather easy, in a short period of time, for you to trap yourself in a corner and be forced to try and change the subject. But, if you use the shotgun blast method of argumentation, where you can jump all over the place and not get caught in any one argument, it makes it looks as though you’ve got something to say.
C’mon, I dare you to focus on only one of the above. Pick your strongest one. Yes, its hard for you, I know, but you can do it!
Baggi, what’s all this about zebras? I don’t see the relevance.
I insist you make sense of Rob’s lame diatribe so I can satisfactorily harass him about his lack of serious, intelligent posts.
But first, we have to figure out if Osama is flying zebras in to buildings. Sounds intriguing, doesn’t it. Those al Quaeda are so dang inventive.
Why? because he refuse to accept Embryo Stem cell Research?
Actually, to be technical, he’s the first President to allow ANY embryonic stem cell research. Clinton opposed it consistently.
-=Mike
muirego,
You are so full of your own rhetoric you think that Clinton didn’t benefit from $10 a barrel oil or the bloated inventories of companies for the Y2K scare and the dot.com weenies and crazy Democrat billionaires who made gazillions off of middle class folks like the previous DNC chairman or Gates and Buffett or Soros or Feinstein or Pelosi or Rockefeller or Kennedy or Ted Turner and Hollywood leftist- Fabian socialists and agitprop Leni Riefenstahl’s like Michael Moore.
How many limousine loony-left liberals does it take to sell off our MIRV missile capability to Red Chinese like that Democrat quack Norm Augustine becuase Clinton got donations from the Chinese or the Riady family of Indonesia (overseas Chinese)? Does “Wag the Dog” Clinton’s bombing of an aspirin factory in the Sudan or launching ill-timed cruise missile launches make us safer? Think again you wooly-haired liberal–we know the facts and the selective use of facts undermines your supposition.
Remember when middle class folks could convert IRAs to Roth IRAs–who benefitted–the IRS and the federal govt–Rubin’s Treasury Dept.–he was no genius–but another pathetic liberal gazillionaire who has his money in tax-shelters and trust funds and non-taxable bonds.
You can’t fool us patriotic red-blooded Americans who have immigrated from corrupt and undemocratic societies. You are the nomenklatura that regards government as the opiate for the masses!!
muirgeo,
Do you really think that terrorism is multiplying because of Bush in Iraq? Are you out of your wooly-haired mind? Terrorism has always existed–Symbionese Liberation Army and Patty Hearst, Charles Manson, the Puerto Rican terrorists, the Bolshevik terrorists, the Nazi terrorists, George Habash, Abu Nidal, the Munich massacre of Israeli Olympic weightlifters, Entebbe, the Polisario rebels, Mogadishu, Somailia and Clinton’s abandonment of Army rangers, the 444 days of US Embassy hostages in Teheran, Cuban soliders and the takeover of Grenada, Jonas Savimbi and the UNITA rebels in Angola, Tamil Eelaam Tigers in Sri Lanka, the raping and taking of Tibet by the Red Chinese in 1961/1962, the Soviet Bloc terrorism of democracy in Hungary, and Czechoslovakia in the 1950s and 1960s.
By the way, smarmy pants George, do you know who ocuupies illegally one-third of Kashmir? Is it the Indians or the Chinese—no my half-learned friend–it is the Red Chinese
>>Cheating spouses are public matters?
Actually, yes they are. This is why in many states you can bring evidence before the judge that your spouse cheated on you
Oh, OK. I didn’t realize that Hillary initiated the proceedings against Bill. Boy, you sure set me straight.
This just goes to show what simpletons some folks can be. What sort of attack was American involved in? Nuclear attack, ground war, some sort of invasion?
Please tell this simpleton which of those has as its preferred immediate response NOT seeking more information about what’s going on?.
Besides, Bush knew what kind of attack it was… the one where two planes were deliberately flown into buildings. Could it have been nuclear? By all means, continue sitting there for 7 minutes wondering, instead of finding out. After all, a nuclear attack on America wouldn’t require the attention of the President.
No one said Bush should have launched a counter-attack within 7 minutes. But he could have grounded all civilian aircraft (as he did, later), scrambled fighters to NY and DC, and started asking questions in those 7 minutes.
I’m sure you would have preferred for President Bush to go running out of the room immediately screaming with his hands waving in the air yelling, “We’re all going to die!”
You must think Bush an idiot to give him only those two choices: do nothing or run screaming from the room. How about saying, “Excuse me children, I have an unexpected matter to attend to. Please, keep reading.” Or “Mrs. Bush is on the phone.” Are you saying it’s impossible to excuse yourself from a group of children when the country is under attack without sending them into a panic? Even if not, if you KNOW about the first two planes, and you know nothing else, you must at least THINK “are there more coming?” And in that case, who cares about scaring a bunch of children when there’s the possibility that the White House could be next? Or that it could be nuclear? Your own “he didn’t know” scenario only illustrates the idiocy of doing nothing.
I prefer my President to sit calmly for 7 minutes, finish reading the book to the children, and remain calm and poised
While another plane strikes the Empire State Building? Or the White House? You claim he didn’t know what was going on. Doesn’t that increase the urgency to get off your ass and FIND OUT what’s going on? Tell me, what defensive action–when you’ve been TOLD the country is under attack–does sitting calmly for 7 minutes accomplish?
hmmmm, what’s wrong with these “facts” of yours? Making stuff up and facts are two seperate things.
Again, pick up a newspaper once in a while.
Perhaps you can explain to me how one can obtain a warrant to wiretap millions of phone calls in order to spread a net wide enough to capture terrorists?
You can’t. Oh, there’s that pesky Constitution in the way again!
This is what the President has the authority to do in a time of war and he does not need to appeal to a co-equal branch of government.
He needs to follow their laws. THAT is in the Constitution.
Those making $250,000.00 or more pay a larger percent of taxes under Bush than they did under Clinton. In other words, a progressive tax.
Proof please? Link? Or is this another one of your opinions?
Yes, it is difficult to pick just one.
Yes, when there is so much bulls–t flying by, it’s hard to pick which single clump to deflect.
But, if you use the shotgun blast method of argumentation
Just following your example.
C’mon, I dare you to focus on only one of the above.
So you can celebrate how the rest of your BS went unchallenged? Not a chance.
Rob wrote:
So you can celebrate how the rest of your BS went unchallenged? Not a chance.
I get it. You’re afraid if I say something, anything at all, and you don’t champion the truth for the masses, everyone will be mislead.
Alright, i’ll focus on just one then, but no whining about which one since I gave you the option.
I wrote;
Those making $250,000.00 or more pay a larger percent of taxes under Bush than they did under Clinton. In other words, a progressive tax.
You responded with;
Proof please? Link? Or is this another one of your opinions?
Here is the House Joint Committe Report
http://www.house.gov/jec/publications/109/rr109-36.pdf
Which will get you started. It will tell you that the top 50% of earners in the United States pay 96.54% of the taxes under the 2003 Bush Tax Cuts. The bottom 50% of earners in the United States pay 3.46%.
This is where you are initially fooled when you hear the Democrats claim, “Tax cuts for the rich!” Well, I suppose if the top 50% (Those making over $29,000 per year) are the ones paying most of the taxes, guess who’s going to get a tax cut when the taxes are cut?
But that’s not even what I claimed and what you want proof of. So let’s focus in on specifics here.
If you go here: http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=134951,00.html
You will see that in 2000 the number of zero filers having to pay tax was 29 million and in 2004 it was 44 million. There are now 58 million households that earn income that have to pay zero in taxes thanks to the Bush Tax Cuts. That equals roughly 122 million income earners since usually more than one person lives in a household. 122 million income earners pay zero taxes under Bush.
I was wrong about my numbers though, the top tax bracket is no longer $250,000.00 (Not sure where I got that number from) but it is now (according to Wikipedia) $326,451 and up.
The most important fact you will find at the IRS Stastics is that the “rich” under Bush as a percentage of the total taxes paid are paying just over 37% while the same group under Clinton as a percent of the total taxes paid were paying just over 36%.
So while everyone got a tax cut, including the rich, under Bush’s tax cuts, the Rich are paying a larger percentage under Bush than they paid under Clinton. And that is just wrong. Everyone should pay the same percentage.
There is no reason to punish someone just because they make more money.
“Do you really think that terrorism is multiplying because of Bush in Iraq? Are you out of your wooly-haired mind”
Hey Muirgeo, I didn’t knnow you were wolly haired?
So you are a field negro too?
Give me a break! Matthias, you and your ilk are so predictable, it was just a matter of time before your true nature came out. Anyway, all those terrorist groups you mentioned existed way before Clinton, so what’s your point? And yes,to answer your question, frat boy DID create more terrorist by occupying Iraq. Only a fool wouldn’t recognize that. But then….
BTW, you left a couple of other terrorist groups off your list. Groups like the Klan, and the Aryan Brotherhood. But then, I suppose you don’t consider them terrorist, not when you are working towards the same goals 😉
No one said Bush should have launched a counter-attack within 7 minutes. But he could have grounded all civilian aircraft (as he did, later), scrambled fighters to NY and DC, and started asking questions in those 7 minutes.
Not an option since:
1) There WEREN’T planes ready to scramble to inercept flights in the US. The military had no real contingency plan for it.
2) It takes over an hour to manage to intercept anybody.
3) You assume Bush DIDN’T ask questions. He could’ve told his advisors to find out who did it. Would’ve taken more than 7 minutes for an answer.
You must think Bush an idiot to give him only those two choices: do nothing or run screaming from the room. How about saying, “Excuse me children, I have an unexpected matter to attend to. Please, keep reading.” Or “Mrs. Bush is on the phone.” Are you saying it’s impossible to excuse yourself from a group of children when the country is under attack without sending them into a panic? Even if not, if you KNOW about the first two planes, and you know nothing else, you must at least THINK “are there more coming?”
So, you want Bush to act out of ignorance?
Good plan.
While another plane strikes the Empire State Building? Or the White House? You claim he didn’t know what was going on. Doesn’t that increase the urgency to get off your ass and FIND OUT what’s going on?
Running around isn’t going to answer the questions. It’s not an answer you’ll get in a whopping 7 minutes.
Tell me, what defensive action–when you’ve been TOLD the country is under attack–does sitting calmly for 7 minutes accomplish?
You can’t scramble aircraft. You need to discuss with aides, who are ALSO unavailable temporarily, the political ramifications of allowing an order to shoot all aircraft that is flying over the U.S.
Yes, you can do much — in 7 minutes.
Funny, Clinton took more than 7 minutes to act on the OKC bombing. Or the first WTC bombing. Or the Khobar bombing. Or the embassy bombings.
Again, pick up a newspaper once in a while.
When her decision is overturned — and, yes, it’ll be overturned — will you be here apologizing?
I doubt it.
You can’t. Oh, there’s that pesky Constitution in the way again!
Except Bush didn’t wiretap millions. There isn’t enough manpower if he wanted to do it to pull it off.
He needs to follow their laws. THAT is in the Constitution.
He got a declaration of war. Nothing he did was not done before in similar situations.
Anyway, all those terrorist groups you mentioned existed way before Clinton, so what’s your point?
They became a massive problem under Clinton. Clinton dithered and did nothing for risk of offending the Saudis and allowed them to slaughter Americans and did not wish to even investigate.
BTW, you left a couple of other terrorist groups off your list. Groups like the Klan, and the Aryan Brotherhood. But then, I suppose you don’t consider them terrorist, not when you are working towards the same goals 😉
Well, your preferred party votes for Klansmen. Most Klansmen, historically, were Democrats.
-=Mike
You don’t need a warrant to search at the border, the airport, and in a bunch of other situations.
But, you’re going to require a warrant to listen to al Quaeda calling the U.S.? Stupid.
And, counter to popular, uninformed opinion, the 4th Amendment does not require a warrant, nor has the Supreme Court found it does in many cirumstances.
What, you getting your legal opinions from Field Negro now? He’s too busy in the fields, clearly.
Funny, Clinton took more than 7 minutes to act on the OKC bombing. Or the first WTC bombing. Or the Khobar bombing. Or the embassy bombings.
Yeah, but who can blame the guy? After all, having your dick sucked is more important than matters of national security. At least it was for Clinton. He can wag his finger in self-righteous indignation, but we know he was getting a blowjob in the oval office when he should have been ‘working for the American people’. That’s just fact, and if you disagree, well, you’re just being Monica.
Context and perspective are always apropos. In context, Clinton was elected first by Ross Perot splitting the Republican vote, second by the monied Senate establishment putting up Bob Dole in 1996– arguably the weakest major-party candidate since 1936. Moreover, Clinton as an unknown small-State Democrat had neither policy nor principle to offer; in particular, his “I won’t raise taxes” pledge was seen even at the time as akin to New Jersey’s James Florio’s, who literally smirked on camera as he mouthed his scam. To say Clinton “tried but failed” to apprehend bin Laden is to grant him honorable intentions which he entirely lacked. Over eight years, there was no grain of evidence that this simpering vulgarian respected even his own wife (little “Miss Cattle Futures”; “Files Under the Bed”; “Hide the Spoons” MzBill).
In historical perspective, we place Clinton on a par with Presidents Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, and James Buchanan– ineffectual Southern sympathizers quite ready to endorse slavery and American Disunion to spare themselves from bother. We might mention also Benjamin Harrison and Warren Harding… the first a complete nonentity, the second foolish and corrupt.
In fact, with his Riyadi dealings and sellout of Livermore Laboratory nuclear-engineering data to Communist Chinese military intelligence, objectively we conclude that Clinton was not merely incompetent but treacherously corrupt. In that, he mirrors Teresa Heinz [Kerry], who makes large-scale donations to foundations advocating the “return” of five States in the U.S. Southwest to Mexico.
Such are not only Clinton, but his partisan allies today. Fortunately, as Boomer narcissists of Clinton’s ilk die out, the American polity should gradually re-assume an even keel.
MikeSC, your ignorance is staggering, overshadowed only by your ability to change the issue when you’re cornered to give yourself an out to respond to.
Not an option since:
1) There WEREN’T planes ready to scramble to inercept flights in the US. The military had no real contingency plan for it.
You mean the conversation would have been:
Bush: What?! NY was attacked?! I want fighters in the air over NY immediately!
General: Duh, gee, Mr. President, duh-ayyy, we don’t got no plans to put those flying machines in the air, duh-ayyy.
2) It takes over an hour to manage to intercept anybody.
How do you make up such garbage in public?
F-15s soared into the sky “within minutes” of the call, Venable said. Otis Air Force Base is 188 miles from New York City; once aloft, an F-15 fighter plane can reach speeds of 1,875 mph, more than 2.5 times the speed of sound. At that speed, an F-15 Eagle could fly from Otis to New York in roughly seven minutes.
3) You assume Bush DIDN’T ask questions. He could’ve told his advisors to find out who did it.
What kind of idiot are you? It’s right there on videotape. Unless Bush is telepathic, he didn’t say a word. Dude, we KNOW exactly what was said to him, and what his response was. Repeatedly saying “but what if something else happened?” is not reality.
So, you want Bush to act out of ignorance?
Your claim that Bush had no information is BS. But let’s assume you’re right. Then yes, out of ignorance, I absolutely want the president to stand up and start asking questions.
It was known that planes struck the towers, and that “America is under attack”. Is that not enough information to begin taking action to protect the country, I don’t know what is.
You seem to continue to rephrase the point that Bush did NOTHING in the first 7 minutes, and pretend that the suggested option available was a retaliatory strike. How about addressing the DEFENSIVE options available to him during those 7 minutes?
You can’t scramble aircraft. You need to discuss with aides, who are ALSO unavailable temporarily, the political ramifications of allowing an order to shoot all aircraft that is flying over the U.S.
Then start the process NOW! NOT 7 MINUTES LATER!
When her decision is overturned — and, yes, it’ll be overturned — will you be here apologizing?
What’s the matter, can’t handle getting facts thrown in your face? You called me a liar for saying that federal judges ruled against Bush, and when I showed you proof, you stammer “oh yeah? Well, it’ll be overturned, nyahh!” You dishonest child.
Except Bush didn’t wiretap millions. There isn’t enough manpower if he wanted to do it to pull it off.
You asked how Bush can wiretape millions. I said he can’t. Then you pull out “Aha! He didn’t wiretap millions!” Dude, you’re incoherent.
He got a declaration of war. Nothing he did was not done before in similar situations.
You are so ignorant of the facts, or such a big liar, that it’s not even worth responding to you anymore.
“Why do you call yourself “field-negro”?”
“Sang, I have explained that on this site before, and I don’t feel like explaining it again. But I am sure you have a computer, so look it up. Just point and click where is says field-negro 😉 I am always glad to educate folks in “the greatest country on god’s green earth” 🙂 Posted by: field-negro at September 23, 2006 11:10 AM”
Well I declare…how droll :o) BTW, does ur momma know ya’ll are hanging out with “these people”, “blogger-types”; all puffed up & full of themselves? Would she be proud? Oh well, I’ve got places to go & people to see and some more learnin’ to do. Bye bye ya’ll.
Damn Sang , you must know my momma. Of course she wouldn’t be proud. But then, she always thought me to try to learn something from everybody even the most seemingly ignorant among us.-present company excluded of course, because you want to learn right Sang?-So that’s why I hang out with all types, because I want to learn, just like you do 😉
Excerpt from Hot Air
“Following up, Bush gets bashed against the rocks for being decisive and trying to do the right thing on his core file, the war against extremist Islamic terrorists, a file that got rather dumped in his lap.
“While, as a disciplined man, he doesn’t drink or smoke, he exercises to keep himself fit (top 1% of men of his age) 6-days a week, and he returns to be with his lovely devoted wife when he has time for family graces.
“There is a real difference between the two men. Bush the party-going gadfly of his youth is but a shell of his former self… George W. Bush the man of seriousiousness, resoluteness, and focus — a man who places achievement before pleasure — has arisen and stood firm in his stead.”
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“ChrisInCanadaOrAussy on September 24, 2006 at 3:21 PM”
These “blogers” are actually conversing; u know exchanging ideas & generally w/o the expletives. Refreshing.
U go “field-negro”, “u da man bro”…
“Well, your preferred party votes for Klansmen. Most Klansmen, historically, were Democrats.”
-=Mike
Operative word being WERE genius. As soon as the democrats went after my people’s vote down South, your friends left to go to your party, and they haven’t left since. Go back and study your history before you come back with another post.
Here, I will even give you a search word: DIXIECRATS. See what a nice guy I am?
whoa…it’s fixin to do a lightning show, gotta put the dawgs up & roll up the tinted windows in my red F150…l8r ya’ll keep it between the lines now hear ;o)
As you all most probably know, Fox News Channel is rerunning “slick willy’s” oh, I’m sorry, did I actually say “slick willy” dang I meant to say Mr. Former Prez & Wallace interview At 6PM & again @ 10PM (watch it again & weep or LOL, “whatever”). P.S. Don’t eat the spinach :o)
Yes, watch the re-brodcast’s and see a president who can speak in complete sentences. And even think before he speaks. Refreshing. How about a debate on terrorism between the formmer president and the current president. That would be worth watching!
LOL
No it wouldn’t. There is nothing of Clinton worth watching, unless it’s a melt down over UBL or Monica, etc.
For those with longer memories, we remember a bit of trouble with the truth in that administration. It was a sport with that crowd.
Rob, you want scrambled jets in 7 minutes? To where, exactly. There are hundreds of potential targets and covering them all would be fruitless. And, ATC didn’t know which of the thousands of jets that day were “off” until pretty late in the game. Certainly more than 7 minutes after the planes hit.
God, you people are fools. Intellectually lazy, and unserious.
In other words, liberals and Democraps(tm)
You mean the conversation would have been:
Bush: What?! NY was attacked?! I want fighters in the air over NY immediately!
General: Duh, gee, Mr. President, duh-ayyy, we don’t got no plans to put those flying machines in the air, duh-ayyy.
Hmm, you want to fuel jets and have them locate planes with no active transponders (the terrorists turned them off), so they have NO idea who they’re looking for and have to hope air traffic controllers can figure out which of the dozen or blips on their screen is the correct one? You want fighter jets to fly over quite busy airspace and, hopefully, not hit a jet with innocent people not being hijacked, which isn’t that easy a task?
It took well over an hour to locate Payne Stewart’s plane in the 90’s when it meandered off-course — and that was WITH active transponder to make it far easier.
Yeah, the ignorance belongs to one side of the argument. That side, fortunately, is not mine.
How do you make up such garbage in public?
F-15s soared into the sky “within minutes” of the call, Venable said. Otis Air Force Base is 188 miles from New York City; once aloft, an F-15 fighter plane can reach speeds of 1,875 mph, more than 2.5 times the speed of sound. At that speed, an F-15 Eagle could fly from Otis to New York in roughly seven minutes.
Getting to the location isn’t the problem.
FINDING THE DAMNED PLANE is the problem.
You seem oblivious to that reality.
What kind of idiot are you? It’s right there on videotape. Unless Bush is telepathic, he didn’t say a word. Dude, we KNOW exactly what was said to him, and what his response was. Repeatedly saying “but what if something else happened?” is not reality.
No, we do not know what was said.
Your claim that Bush had no information is BS. But let’s assume you’re right. Then yes, out of ignorance, I absolutely want the president to stand up and start asking questions.
Rather than having his staff ACTUALLY get the info, you assume they’ll just sit on their hands?
You know, like the Dems in Congress did.
It was known that planes struck the towers, and that “America is under attack”. Is that not enough information to begin taking action to protect the country, I don’t know what is.
And do what?
Scrambling jets to intercept the planes was not a remotely viable option.
Then start the process NOW! NOT 7 MINUTES LATER!
“LET’S DO IT RIGHT NOW!!”
“We have to wait for people to become available.”
“OK”
Yeah, good plan.
What’s the matter, can’t handle getting facts thrown in your face? You called me a liar for saying that federal judges ruled against Bush, and when I showed you proof, you stammer “oh yeah? Well, it’ll be overturned, nyahh!” You dishonest child.
Can you PLEASE take some Ritalin for the ADD, as you seem thoroughly incapable of keeping up. You REALLY want to stand by this laughable decision? When it’s overturned, you’ll be gone.
The decision is a joke. Nobody takes it seriously. It has, literally, no chance of standing.
You asked how Bush can wiretape millions. I said he can’t. Then you pull out “Aha! He didn’t wiretap millions!” Dude, you’re incoherent.
You said he didn’t LEGALLY do it. I said he can’t PHYSICALLY do it.
You know, as it is IMPOSSIBLE to actually pull it off.
Again, Ritalin. Look into it.
You are so ignorant of the facts, or such a big liar, that it’s not even worth responding to you anymore.
Read the H.J Res 114.
Passed after the piece you linked to. 2 days later, to be precise.
You’re a liar. It goes far beyond simply being a dishonest debater.
Operative word being WERE genius.
http://byrd.senate.gov/
As soon as the democrats went after my people’s vote down South, your friends left to go to your party, and they haven’t left since.
Republican Klansmen in Congress: 0.
Democratic Klansmen in Congress: 1.
The Republicans only freed your people and gave you the vote. A simple “thanks” is sufficient.
Go back and study your history before you come back with another post.
Here, I will even give you a search word: DIXIECRATS. See what a nice guy I am?
Dixiecrat’s official party title: States’ Rights Democratic Party
Note: Not Republican Party.
Feel free to support the same people who enslaved your people. God knows wisdom is not a strong suit of yours.
-=Mike
If the Clinton economy was sooo good…so soon after he took office, what was it he did, to cause it?? And what was it that caused the recession, the month he left office?? Don’t give us the same old crap of how he worked as hard as he’s ever worked in his life for 3 weeks & found we all needed to ‘contribute’ more & don’t fault the fact that he was leaving office to explain what he didn’t & did do, caused the recession that George W. took over. Not to mention, the lack of attention to protection over terrorists, including UBL; he didn’t ‘try & fail’, trying is lying & lying is like breathing to WJC….William Jefferson Clinton. We are a GREAT Country!! We survived 8 years of him & his wife. Thank God Ronald Reagan & George Bush, Sr. preceeded him in Presidency!!
“Dixiecrat’s official party title: States’ Rights Democratic Party
Note: Not Republican Party.
Feel free to support the same people who enslaved your people. God knows wisdom is not a strong suit of yours”
You are a complete moron with a reading comprehension problem. Frankly, I am not surprised given your rants on this site.
But here is a news flash, Lincoln was not the benevolent lover of negroes that you think. [again you might want to read up on your history, you do know how to read don’t you?]
So no thanks to you repub massa for freeing my people. You need to free your own feeble mind from the ignorance that engulfs it.
My ancestors didn’t need your sorry ass party to free us.[Save that for Mitchell] I happen to be a descendant of the Jamaican Maroons. [go look that up] My people were never enslaved in the Werstern hemisphere,because we fought your people from the moment we got off the slave ships 😉
muirgeo,
Bush OVER-reacted?
To this day I find the fact that we haven’t leveled Meccah to be an act of great restraint.
Then again, I know it’s a good thing I’m not in charge.
to reiterate, “we” all need to “get a life”. Talk talk talk blog blog blog…not. It will soon be time to walk, drive, run to the voting booth; vote with forethought not malice. It’s time for all good men and women to come to the aid of our country. Caution: History has the propensity to repeat itself. Hopefully we will have some who choose to seek our support who can remain stablized and not meltdown to jibberishness “if” and/or when called to due process of accountability. “Time will tell.”
But here is a news flash, Lincoln was not the benevolent lover of negroes that you think.
Nobody said he was.
But when compared to the DEMOCRATIC candidate, he was, to use the term, a “n***** lover”.
You know, as the Dems accused him of being.
The party you support want you to remain a slave forever. If you have no problem with that, that is on you.
Personally, I’d be a bit annoyed.
So no thanks to you repub massa for freeing my people. You need to free your own feeble mind from the ignorance that engulfs it.
Republicans freed your people. Like it or not. Not the Dems, who championed not only slavery, but virulent Jim Crow laws (who integrated the schools? Why, a Republican? Stunning).
If you’re too ignorant to follow history, that is on you.
My ancestors didn’t need your sorry ass party to free us.
Clearly you did as Dems in charge didn’t do it. Republicans fought a war, shed a lot of blood, and lost a lot of lives to save you.
Again, just say “Thanks”
I happen to be a descendant of the Jamaican Maroons. [go look that up] My people were never enslaved in the Werstern hemisphere,because we fought your people from the moment we got off the slave ships 😉
This is me REALLY not giving a damn.
You support a party that wanted anybody who looked like you to live in chains.
-=Mike
“This is me REALLY not giving a damn.”
Well shut the F%&* up then, and don’t talk about things you no nothing about. That’s the problem with ignorant people like you, who THINK they are smart, but have the IQ of a soccer score. You make moronic satements and can’t back them up. And when called on it, make inane pointless comments like the one above.
Now go drink some moonshine,call your cousin for a date, and leave me alone. I have work to do.
MikeSC, all name-calling aside, you’re (probably intentionally) missing the point. No one actually said the things that you keep dismissing, such as locating and shooting down planes without having all of the information available. You’re just weaving straw men there. What was suggested was having fighters in the air, heading to NY and DC. Why do you keep dismissing that as a call to blindly start shooting down planes?
It’s far better to have fighters in the air, ready for orders, than it is to have them sitting on the ground waiting for further intel. What if that intel was “a new plane will hit the White House in 5 minutes”? That is the definition of “having your planes caught on the ground”.
Let’s say your home security company calls you and tells you that not one, but two rocks were thrown through your window, and that in their assessment, it was not an accident, and your house is under a planned assault. Would you think “whew, the threat is over, no need to take any action”? Or would you think “two already… what if there are more?” And then wouldn’t you tell them to send a security guard out to your house? Not to start shooting at strangers, but just to be there in case they were needed?
You dismiss the idea of sending fighters to enter threatened airspace because “they have NO idea who they’re looking for and have to hope air traffic controllers can figure out which of the dozen or blips on their screen is the correct one”. But that’s exactly the point. They wait, ready to move the second they receive an order to do so. Better to be in the air, 30 seconds from a potential target, than on the ground, 15 minutes from one.
You sarcastically dismiss this scenario:
-“LET’S DO IT RIGHT NOW!!”
-“We have to wait for people to become available.”
-“OK”
But how about this one instead?
-“LET’S DO IT RIGHT NOW!!”
-“We have to wait for people to become available.”
-“OK, get the planes in the air immediately, and that way they’ll be ready when the people become available.”
Finally, you (and as far as I can recall, you’re the only one saying this) bizarrely repeat the claim that “No, we do not know what was said”. Yes, we do, from Andy Card’s own lips:“A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack!” That exchange is available to view on videotape, and it’s clear that Bush said nothing in response.
So what exactly is that that “we do not know what was said?” I suspect your response will be something about not knowing what was said once Bush left the room, but that’s not what you were responding to in your previous post. You were defending the 7 minutes Bush was sitting there, claiming we don’t know what he was told. That’s not true. And no trying to weasel out by shifting the issue to a different conversation, as you often do.