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The minimum weight standard is (BMI = 19 kg/m) and I believe I read in one of the articles she is 5’1″ or 61 inches tall, which according to AFI48-123V2 her minimum weight limit is 100 pounds. At time of disappearance it is claimed she weighed 110 pounds and weighed 90 pounds when examined after her ordeal. She basically had no body fat to sustain any type of endurance activity, add no sleep, beatings, and being drugged, I’m very skeptical of any significant distance being run.
Just curious, one of the early articles before she was found said she was highly decorated. Anybody have a clue what her award and decs are?
The highest I’m willing to presume is a MSM.
I find very curious that Col. Metzger is telling the story and not her husband. Ever since Jill got off the plane at Moody, he’s been a non-entity and just shoved into the background.
I guess we see who’s wearing the pants in that family.
VR, Been There, Too:
I have seen people do some pretty amazing things in my days, so I don’t have too much of a problem believing that she could “run barefoot … in the dark night for 7 hours” — also, the area almost in every direction around Kant is pretty flat, mostly farmland, and the populated areas get pretty darn quiet after dark. What I have more reason to question is how far she really went. How do we know when and from where she really started? What do we really have to corroborate that it was 7 hours? 35-40 km? Statements by both dad and dad-in-law make it seem to me that they are prone to a little exageration.
Gh:
Being (active?) OSI, maybe it is not unreasonable for hubby to be keeping a very low profile.
Umm, I think I was too harsh on the Dads — let me revise to say that they seem prone to relaying the more extreme versions of what they appear to know.
Another mystery with Jill’s abduction story:
she got disappeared, when Kyrgyzstan’s pro-American opposition leader Omurbek Tekebayev was caught in Poland with heroin and quickly released by Polish authorities. (another mystery).
I won’t be surprised if Kyrgyz authorities are highly suspicious of the way Jill Metzger affair is handled in USA, to say the least.
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=7950180
Who planted heroin on a critic of the president?
POLITICAL rivalries in Kyrgyzstan are often personal and messy. Yet an attempt on September 6th to frame Omurbek Tekebaev, a former speaker of parliament and a critic of the country’s president, on drug-smuggling charges struck a new low. Mr Tekebaev was detained at Warsaw’s airport after a matryoshka–a wooden Russian doll–containing 595grams (1.3lb) of heroin was found in his luggage.
http://gdb.rferl.org/62e467d6-4722-419b-b1b3-700f485cb8bb_w220.jpg
Omurbek Tekebaev addressing his supporters in Bishkek on September 12
And not so long ago, 2 US diplomats, Paul Polites and Kaku Kimaru were expelled from Kyrgyzstan on spying accusations. They were involved in channeling funds to radical islamic militants in the South of Kyrgyzstan. On the one hand, US wages war against radical islamic terrorism, but on the another hand US secret services sponsor radical muslim militants in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. Mystery.
http://www.registan.net/index.php?paged=3
“Cracking Down?”
Kyrgyzstan is cracking down on “Islamic militants” who are accused of trying to overthrow Bakiyev’s government. The government claims the harsh crackdown is a necessary step to reduce the influence of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), and other groups possibly linked to al-Qaeda. While it’s possible the government has legitimate concerns stemming from the radicalism that seems to endemic to the Ferghana region, I can’t help feeling skepticism about the new policy–ever since his U.S.-led rise to power, Bakiyev has become increasingly aligned with both Tashkent and Moscow, creating headaches for western interests (and dramatically raising the lease rates for air bases). I’m not sure a move against possible radicals is necessarily a way of appeasing Moscow, as the Monitor seems to indicate (it could simply be a symptom of finding more solidarity with autocrats), but the move is nevertheless worrisome.
The trick, of course, is that these supposed extremists have been there for years. While the violence along the border should raise eyebrows, the IMU has been virtually neutered–I’d be curious to see if any outsiders have found much evidence of that organization still operating.
Sooo, geopolitical rivalry, cloak & dagger games, power games, abortion, AWOL, kidnapping, bridenapping, drug trafficking all happening at once?
http://www.registan.net/index.php?paged=3
Russian “Analyst”: IMU threatens Central Asian Presidents (and America lurks in their shadow).
Tohir Yuldash, leader of the al-Qaida linked terrorist group Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) has gone public with a threat to the leaders of Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan and Tajikistan, saying those leaders will be punished for the persecution of Muslims. The statement was published on the website Muslimuzbekistan.com, and has been picked up in the Western press.
“We demand that all regimes in the region stop persecuting, terrorizing and repressing Muslims,” the statement said, further stating that the presidents of the three countries will be “punished for the crimes they keep committing.”
The statement especially singled out Uzbekistan’s president, Islam Karimov (whom the IMU has reportedly “sentenced” to death). Referring to the killing of what most believe to be hundreds of innocent citizens in Andijan in May of 2005, Yuldash’s statement said, “we haven’t forgotten the Muslims shot dead in Andijan.”
So who is REALLY behind all of this? Well, according to one Vladimir Anokhin, in an “analysis” published on the Russian website Pravda.ru, the United States is lurking behind and controlling the IMU. On the website, Mr. Anokhin is described as a “political scientist, Vice President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems.”
Interestingly, the statement appears on the Russian language version of Pravda.ru, but not on the English version. Ever since the events at Andijan, the Uzbek government has darkly hinted (and sometimes outright accused) the West – especially the U.S. – as having organized and financed the uprising at Andijan.
Mr. Anokhin writes that the “nearest partners of the IMU,” including Al-Qaida and the Taliban were “the children of the CIA, created for struggle against the Soviet Union,” and “have never left the sphere of influence of ‘silent Americans'” and are operated by them “to this day.” Anokhin says the degree of activity and aggression of (the IMU) has always been regulated by the “western special services.”
So now we know from this learned analysis that – notwithstanding the IMU is on the U.S. list of terrorist groups – and is being chased up one side of Afghanistan and down the other by U.S. troops – they are really a TOOL of the U.S., when it comes to trying to destabilize Central Asia.
Sometimes it seems this kind of goofiness will never end.
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Someone bring in Kuba!!! 1/2 the article was in revelation of our “rocky less than perfect” relations with the Kyrgyz people/govt. i.e. MEDIA NOT SO CLEVERLY SHIFTING FOCUS
Honestly–regardless of what the truth is the AF will vindicate this officer and/or it will quietly go away…under the radar screen so to speak.
Posted by: Right on Time at October 11, 2006 04:58 PM
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Certainly, there is a geopolitical rivalry going on between Russia and USA.
My personal feeling is that Bush’s administration made a gross mistake refusing to pay for Manas airbase up to demands.
Jill Metzger bought herself a trouble in the wrong time, during diplomatic standoff and power games.
Interesting analysis:
http://www.eurasianhome.org/xml/t/print.xml?lang=en&nic=digest&pid=1448
CENTRASIA: WILL KYRGYZSTAN BREAK THE STATUS OF THE U.S. ENCLAVE?
Recently, American diplomats, Paul Polites and Kakku Kimara have been expelled from Kyrgyzstan. “According to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, the two diplomats working for the U.S. Embassy in Kyrgyzstan have been declared as personas non grata in the republic”, the Kyrgyz Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated on July 12, 2006. The Ministry emphasized that “this decision was made in conformity with the facts given by the special services about repeated interference in the country’s domestic affairs which is incompatible with the diplomat’s status and the recognized standards of the international law”. Two weeks later there was a reaction: the diplomatic department’s employees accredited in the USA and Canada, Saltanat Tashmatova and Asan Usupov were turned down.
The White House, which failed to build the mutually beneficial partner relations with Kyrgyzstan and provoked the diplomatic conflict resulting in the expulsion of the both countries’ diplomats, tries to improve its policy towards Kyrgyzstan by making it less tough. This is the viewpoint of the majority of the political scientists who are sure that the seeming victories in the Middle East turned George Bush’s head and whereby he denied political and financial assistance to the Kyrgyz authorities. The U.S. President administration had a low opinion of the situation with the Kyrgyz non-governmental organizations as well as refused even to consider the price for the lease of the Manas air force base, which had been proposed by Kyrgyzstan. However, the present stage of the Kyrgyz-American relations cannot be regarded only as result of a failure in the bargains. This is the only correct foreign policy capable of granting the Kyrgyz people the benefits they have been striving for. Now, the Bishkek’s relations with its neighbors are inversely proportional to the cooperation with the USA. For all the assurances that it is possible to simultaneously ‘run with the hare and hunt with the hounds’, Kyrgyzstan’s neighbors, which went through the Bush pseudo democracy and have experienced the colonial foreign policy conducted by the White House, would be unlikely to establish good-neighborly relations with Bishkek if it did not break the status of the U.S. enclave.
The Kyrgyzstan’s statehood consists in historic, geographical and entographical friendship with its Asian neighbors. A great deal in the Kyrgyz economy depends on the improvement of the relations with Russia. The future of the project on the completion of the Kambaratinsk HPP-1 and HPP-2, the construction of the aluminium plant in Kyrgyzstan and other large projects directly depends on Russia’s capital.
Foreign Minister Alikbek Djekshenkulov said that now the Russian-Kyrgyz relations are up to the mark. Russia is the major trade partner of that country and ranks first in Kyrgyzstan’s volume of trade with other countries. The Minister also emphasized that Kyrgyzstan attached great importance to close cooperation with Russia within the framework of the CIS, the CSTO, the EAEC and the SCO; he also supported the Russian foreign-policy initiatives.
Prime-Minister Felix Kulov is convinced that the friendship with Russia and the Central Asian countries is fruitful. In spite of all the U.S. efforts to embroil Kyrgyzstan with its neighbors, particularly with Russia and Uzbekistan, he reported: “I believe that Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan will not be able to be on such relations for a long time and in the near future our cool relations will improve”. We shall remind that the U.S. administration tried to provoke the conflict between those countries several times, exerting pressure on the Kyrgyz authorities and opposing their official position to those of Moscow and Tashkent. The factor of energy supplies from Uzbekistan to Kyrgyzstan played significant role in that. Aide of the U.S. Secretary of State on the Eurasian Affairs Daniel Frid emphasized that America ‘will not permit the foreign pressure’, especially in the energy sphere. All that is done to strengthen the U.S. precarious position in Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan.
The Central Asian people have always lived and they will live in friendship, cooperation, peace and accord. They are united by historical rites and customs, common religion and boundaries as well as brotherhood and ties of relationship. The Kyrgyz leaders have spoken about that many times. Now those relations are bolstered up. The friendly relations and the trade-economic cooperation are being developed, the cultural organizations activity is becoming more intense. In the age of the USA-led globalization the development of the cooperation between the Central Asian states and Russia may turn out to be of pivotal importance for the region’s nations.
Sergei DEMIDOV, political writer, Bishkek
Wonder what Borat would have said about Jill Metzger abduction?
http://www.kub.kz/article.php?sid=14781
Borat went to America to make a film: has it changed how he feels about camels, diners and wife cages? He talks to Stephen Armstrong
Tell me a bit about yourself — are you married?
My name Borat Sagdiyev, I son of Asimbala Sagdiyev and Boltok the rapist, and former husband of Oxana Sagdiyev, who was daughter of Mariam Tulyakbay and Boltok the rapist. My hobbies is ping pong, disco dance and taking photographs of ladies doing toilet without their knowledge. My wife is dead. I did not kill her. It not problem, I have new wife.
Where did you grow up? What was it like growing up there?
I grow up in beautiful Kazakh town of Kuzcek. My house was in nicest area, three miles from fence of Jewtown. I was lucky to be from good family, so I stay on after school and do further educations. I study plague research at Astana University and create three new ones! One of them was sprayed on Uzbekistan and kill two millions goat! Then, after that, when I 13, I leave education and start workings.
We don’t know much about the country in the UK. What are its good points and its bad points?
Kazakhstan nice place and now as civilised as any other — especial since the Tulyakev reforms of 2003, which mean women can now travel on inside of bus, homosexuals no longer have to wear blue hats and age of consent have been raised to 11 year old. In Kazakhstan, we treats all peoples with equal respect — even the “strange ones”. Last May, we open the Almaty Retard Centre. It have over 300 cages for them to live in, and public viewing gallery where for 10 tenge you can look on them, and for 15 you can throw potatoes. Why not? They like!
Does it have many of the problems of the region? Ethnic tensions?
Most problems in region is caused by assholes Uzbekistan — who as everyone knows is nosy people with a bone in the middle of their brains. If there is one more item of Uzbek propaganda claiming we in Kazakhstan do not drink fermented horse urine, give death penalty for cleaning anoos with Kazakh flag or export over 300 tons of human pubis per year, then we will have no alternative but to commence bombardment of their cities with our catapults.
Is there anywhere else you would like to live?
I would very much like livings in Beverlys Hills. It have biggest stars in the world, who lives there and walk in the streets. One afternoon when I looking on shops, I see, buying a handbag, most beautiful woman in world — Liza Minnelli. Then I see driving in a car hero John Wayne, and when I return to my hotel Best Western, fighting legend Muhammad Ali open door for me.
Why did you want to work in the media?
I have be television reporter since seven years. My profession journalist.
I have previous work as ice-maker and gypsy-catcher, and was also do computer maintenance — I the one who would paint the outsides and remove dead birds from their pipes. I have also be doctor one time, for two week during school holiday. Before that, I was extractor of spermatozoa from animals. I the best in Almaty! One time there was a camel who everyone say could not be released. I say, leave it to Borat! I grip, pull; grip, pull; grip, pull… for 17 hours… my arm was to begin to ache very much… then there was a rumbling… and… liquid explosion! Hi five.
Are you a big star at home? Do you have fans? How do they treat you?
I fourth most famous person in Kazakhstan. No 3 is ex-Olympic gymnast Lily Utmarkan, who now perform in Kazakh State Circus, where she famous for be able to put one foot in ear while other in her vagine. No 2 is our glorious premier and No 1 is animal actor Jonny the Monkey, who dress like Humphrey Bogarts and smokes cigarettes.
What is the most exciting story you have covered for your station?
Last year, I cover the annual feast of Shurik — this almost exact the same as your FA Cups Final. Only slight difference is instead of 80,000 people gather in arena for look on activity sportive, we have two millions shepherds who come down from the Tinshein Hills and gather in a field, where they get very drunk on ferment horse urine, then dig a big hole that they fill with dog and Uzbek. They then throw potato on them for two day, before comb each other’s hair and return to hills.
Why did you decide to go to America?
I go to US and A for learn lessons for Kazakhstan, and this was great success. We now has democracy, just like Americas — only slight difference is that instead of man with most votes who win, it is man who can suspend heaviest weight from his testes satchel. Our current premier can suspend a car battery for 8.4 seconds. Also, in America a woman can vote, but a horse cannot! Crazy! In Kazakhstan, only women allowed in our congress is prostitutes. We say that to give a womens power is like to give monkeys guns.
Very dangerous. We have stopped do this ever since the 2001 Astana Zoo massacre. Another positive things I take back to Kazakhstan from America was use of death penalty. We now also gives it for serious crimes, such as spitting or cleaning anoos with Kazakh flag.
Did you learn everything you needed to?
Yes, I learn all I ask to learn, but my premier had also instruct me to capture lady from the Pussycat Dolls and take her back to Kazakhstan for him. I fail in this, but did manage get the three young boys and cheeseboorger he also ask for.
What was the biggest surprise about the country?
I was very surprise to learn it is now illegal to shoot at Red Indians. Once again, I would like apologise with all my heart to the staff of the Potawatomi Casino in Kansas. Sorry. I was also very surprise to discover womens is permit to operate motorcar in US and A. This could never happen in Kazakhstan — it too dangerous. We say that “to let woman drive a car is like to let monkey fly a plane”. We do not allow this any more since 2003 Astana air crash.
What do you think of the American people?
I like them very much — I make many new best friends. I like most the professor of driving I meet, although I was very nervous about travel alone in motorcar with another man. Only time this happen in Kazakhstan is to journey to edge of forest for make bang bang bang in anoos.
What was the best and worst thing that happened over there?
Best thing that I get to eat delicious American hamboorgers. First day I go to McDonald’s, which is restaurant so fancypants, it actual have a separate for do toilet in! There I eat 17 hamboorgers and next day my anoos was hang loose like mouth of tired dog.
Would you like to go back, or maybe to live there?
I current cannot travel due to sex-crime misunderstanding, but once I prove the horse was consent and this resolve, I would like returning.
Is there anything Kazakhstan could learn from the USA? And vice versa?
Kazakhstan is glorious nation and is now very little that could be improve there. I invites all peoples of Great Britains to come visit and see how modern we now is. I recommend very much you stay at family resort, Astana Funworld, where there is luxury cages for the wifes, unlimited buffet of Turkmenistan prostitutes for the husbands and an enclosure where childrens can shoot squirrel, dog and gypsy.
How has your film been received in Kazakhstan?
This movie have already been release in Kazakhstan and was blockbusterings! It open simultaneous on all seven of our country’s screens and take top spot from Hollywood movie King Kong — which had been No 1 film in Kazakhstan ever since it was release in 1933. I would also recommend that people go see new Kazakh moviefilm Nomad, which a very accurates portrayal of how Kazakhstan was 50 years ago.
What are your ambitions now?
I not sure when I will be do my own next project, because for the next 18 months our country’s camera is fully booked to make other television programmes. During this times, I am focus on showbizness career of my 11-year-old son, Bilak. He recent start as actor in Kazakh version of Teletubbies. He still very nervous about appear on camera — especially for the sex scenes. I do not know why — he have a magnificent chram, circumference 16.7cm. He should be proud to show it to the other childrens.
Do you have a message for the people of Britain?
Do not trust traitor of government, Yulkin Tulyakev.
The joke’s on you
Borat Sagdiyev is a pig of a man: stupid, belligerent and charmless, according to His Excellency Erlan Idrissov, Kazakhstan’s ambassador to the United Kingdom. He is also worthy of a Nobel Peace prize for having united in laughter wildly disparate elements of western political opinion. People who usually hate each other for the soundest of ideological reasons can be seen chuckling together whenever Borat appears. This is Sacha Baron Cohen’s greatest triumph — we all laugh at Borat and kid ourselves that it’s okay for us to do so, because Baron Cohen really has our own respective ideological enemies in his sights.
The political right, those who fulminate against “political correctness gone mad”, and who, when you engage them in conversation about important topics of the day, invariably end their discourse with a sad shake of the head and a rueful “You couldn’t make it up”, love Borat because at last someone is poking fun at stupid foreigners once again. It doesn’t really matter that Borat is, specifically, a Kazakh — anyone from that sort of country will do. He might as well be a Tajik, or a Moldovan, or an Albanian. Here is a chance to laugh at someone poorer, more stupid and less refined than the rest of us, who does not get the nuances of western civilisation, but who indubitably wishes that he did. Borat, with his crap imitation western suit and ludicrous moustache, is your stereotypical foreign moron as seen from the superior shores of ol’ Blighty: desperately wishing to be like us, but missing by a mile. It is wholly believable that foreign monkeys such as Borat might drink fermented horse urine and keep their wives in cages. It’s what one would expect — and well done, Mr Baron Cohen, for reminding us all of this important point.
We have seen Borat’s like before, remember. Manuel, the waiter from Fawlty Towers, for example: cringing, hopeless, mustachioed, thick as mince. We would not portray a Spaniard like that today — it wouldn’t ring true. We’ve been to Spain now, and have discovered that not all of them are incalculably stupid; furthermore, that old dictatorship has gone. They have a democracy now, proper drains and a health service. So, for a really good laugh, we cast our eyes in the direction of the twilight, further east. The Englishman mugged up as a dense, hilarious foreigner has been a staple of British humour dating back long before 1975 — a sort of patronising and pseudo-benevolent racism. Peter Sellers singing Goodness Gracious Me; Michael Bates in boot polish singing Land of Hope and Glory to the titles of the dismal It Ain’t Half Hot Mum. Borat, your right-wingers and soi-disant racists will aver, is in the fine tradition of English humour, dating back to that cheerful, Jew-bashing nun in Chaucer — and all the better for that.
The liberals, meanwhile, love Borat because, of course, Baron Cohen is not remotely taking the piss out of Kazakhs, you know? In a way, it doesn’t matter that he’s a Kazakh. He could be a Tajik, or a Moldovan, or an Albanian; anyone who, through his unfamiliarity with western codes and mores, is able to unsettle our complacency and expose our inherent xenophobia and sexism. And unsettle, especially, those dreadful Americans, who, in addition to being sexist and xenophobic, are simultaneously triumphalist and utterly, utterly ignorant of world affairs. These backwoods Texan cretins probably think Kazakhstan is in Europe. (Part of it actually is, incidentally.) The joke isn’t on the Kazakhs: it’s on the Yanks and, by extension, us Brits.
Obviously, Kazakhs don’t really live in yurts and count rape among their thin list of hobbies. What Baron Cohen is doing isn’t crass and offensive racial stereotyping at all — it’s more Lenny Bruce than Al Jolson. Baron Cohen is himself from an ethnic minority, remember. He’s using our subconscious racism as a means to poke fun at the bigoted and the politically blind. A bit like Johnny Speight did with Alf Garnett in Till Death Us Do Part. And if Borat becomes an accidental hero, and his loathsome values are admired among some sections of the population — as happened with Garnett — then the joke is still on us. Even more on us, you might argue.
I’m in the third group of people, who thoroughly enjoy Borat: the amoral ones, the people who will laugh brazenly at racist jokes (which Borat — and Ali G, and quite a lot of the truly brilliant stuff from Ricky Gervais’s Extras, and Banzai — undoubtedly is), and will laugh even louder when our own preconceptions are ripped to bits and lampooned. It is my guess that Baron Cohen is similarly disposed, that his standpoint is: a fusillade of laughter upon all your houses — I adhere to no political viewpoint, I find humour in everything. But then I suppose I would say that.
Rod Liddle
Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan is at the London Film Festival on October 25 and opens nationwide on November 3
The Sunday Times October 15, 2006
Kuba Kyrgyz:
Related to the story you posted above from eurasianhome.org, registan.net (your post just before) also had this little tidbit to add
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http://www.registan.net/?p=6575
US Expels Two Kyrgyz Diplomats
Tit-for-tat (August 06, 2006):
“The American side, without providing any explanation, declared two staff members of Kyrgyzstan’s embassy in the U.S.A. persona non grata in response to the deportation of two American diplomats from Kyrgyzstan in July,” the ministry said.
The U.S. embassy declined to give an official comment, but an embassy source confirmed that two Kyrgyz diplomats had been declared persona non grata.
With a Manas deal sewn up, it looks like the US has finally gotten around to paying back Kyrgyzstan’s government for its expulsion of to US embassy staff from Kyrgyzstan. According to RFE/RL’s short report, six Kyrgyz security officers receiving training in the US may also have been asked to leave.
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Quite the little game of chess going on…
Chess Game: Opening. Hide and Seek Game
Ben Laden is hiding in Kyrgyzstan? or Kazakhstan?
Earlier this year, US White House Anti-terror Coordinator Richard Clarke claimed that Bin Laden is hiding somewhere in former soviet Central Asia.
And Central Asian States immediately refuted claim, saying “We ain’t seen no Bin Laden”.
SCO denies Bin Laden is in Central Asia
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200607/20/eng20060720_285081.html
Chess Game: Before Opening. Miracle Rooster
Allah’s miracle rooster in Kyrgystan
Have you ever heard roosters? Sure you have. Who hasn’t? A certain rooster in the Kyrgyz town of Osh, however, is something else. Its crow has already saved it from death. Owner Ibragim Ismatullayev, his neighbors from Tadjikskaya Street in the center of Osh, and local journalists maintain that the rooster is calling Allah.
This correspondent made a trip to Osh to see the wondrous rooster with his own eyes. Recalling numerous con-artists encountered in my career, I was fairly skeptical suspecting bluff or a money-extorting scheme. I even reconciled myself to listening to a speech of a religious fanatic with innumerable theological terms and moralizations. That was how I envisaged the owner of the rooster. Owners were quite hospitable and did not look like Hizb-ut-Takhrir fanatics to me. Informed of the purpose of my visit, they took me to the hen house. The rooster’s crowing left me speechless indeed.
Click on http://news.ferghana.ru/archive/petux.mp3 to listen to the audio record made by Ferghana.Ru correspondents in early March 2006. Ferghana.Ru vouches for its authenticity.
Chess Game: Middle game. Miraculous Escape. There’s no such thing as Bigfoot.
Jill Metzger went out for shopping. Unfortunately for her, she met Bigfoot and he abducted her. Or so she claimed.
USAF OSI agents organized a search&rescue operation to find her, but, alas, with no success. She was found by herself a few days later.
When reporters tried to ask her questions about her ordeal, her response was:
“I came to my senses in a cave. I could hear a stream nearby and there were rays of light coming down on me from a hole in the ceiling. Borat – that’s how I called the creature afterwards – was sitting opposite me. He was baring his teeth, as if he was infuriated. I realized later that it was just his smile. The hairy animal came up to me and started sniffing my clothes. Then he roared and tore my clothes to pieces. My heart was about to explode with horror, but he continued sniffing me until his nose stopped near my groin. He roared again and threw himself over me.”
When Jill woke up the next morning, she realized that she had become the prisoner and the wife of the hairy creature. When Borat was going out, he would cover the entrance to the cave with a big stone, leaving was no way for the Jill to escape. Borat would always bring something to eat – berries, nuts, mushrooms, eggs or raw meat. The terrible sex with the animal became a daily torture for Jill. However, the ‘beauty and the beast’ started developing a relationship. Borat showed interest in the girl’s CD player. Jill had only one CD with her – best hits of the Michael Jackson.
One day, before leaving, Borat covered the entrance to the cave with the stone as usual, but did not notice a small gap that the stone left. It took a great effort for Jill to sneak outside, but when she finally succeeded to get out of the cave, she started running without making a stop. When she saw people in the Kant town, she finally realized that she was free.
“Her parents took Jill to our hospital, – Dr. Dolittle said. – The girl was mental; all I could hear from her was that she had been married to a Bigfoot for a year. She never managed to get used to home conditions. She was afraid of going out even during the day, she was terribly afraid of the dark. In addition, Jill could not eat normal food,” the doctor said. One day Jill started recovering very fast both mentally and physically. She started eating, talking and even laughing. When doctors told her that she was getting better, Jill laughed and said that she had never been sick. She added that “he” knew where she was and that “he” would come to rescue her. Doctors considered such behavior the new stage of Jill’s illness and decided to isolate her in a special room. However, the USAF major disappeared from her ward at night in the middle of November. Someone very strong pulled steel bars out of the brick wall and signed the wall with autograph “Here was Borat.”
Bigfoot: sounds familiar… http://farshores.org/c04bf11.htm
“Yes, I started abortion rumors because I heard them in Bishkek. I reported here about those rumors.
Posted by: Kuba Kyrgyz at October 13, 2006 12:05 AM
Kuba, When the news interviews a doctor who states that a person had an abortion, that’s not a rumor. You have treated the alleged news broadcast as a fact previously. But now you say that abortion is a rumor you heard from others in Bishkek. Which is it?
DM:
My recollection is that Kuba Kyrgyz from the very beginning said that the TV news broadcast was something he HEARD ABOUT from a friend who had seen it in Bishkek. He never reported it as something he had seen, or something that occurred without a doubt. I think others jumped on the abortion bandwagon because it seemed to explain so well the bizarre sequence of events with JM’s disappearance, reapparance, and unbelievable story. Theories about going AWOL for an affair were already being floated prior to Kuba’s “rumor”. We were treated to stories of JM’s promiscuous behavior in the past, and at Manas. We have then heard the abortion theory repeated by a “Lt Col In-the-Know” who supposedly heard it at Manas, and recently by another who claimed the news was just about to break.
Certainly by now if Jill had acted as heroically as she claimed, we’d have heard more about that. The silence from her husband and from her and from the military says a lot. Something is definitely wrong with her story, though perhaps parts of it were true. I wonder if we’ll ever get the whole story.
I find it odd that a 33 year old married woman chooses to go to her PARENTS’ house to recover from a traumatic-but-ultimately-heroic event. Wouldn’t she rather be with her hub? How many 33 year olds enjoy hanging out with the parental units? And how many of us grown-ups would want our DADS to be the spokesman for us? Holy moly, the idea gives me the shivers.
I concur with your last paragraph VR. I wonder if he’s (hubby) is being gagged by the USAF or if the Metzger’s have obtained legal help and was told to stay in the background.
Does anyone know if Capt Mayo has returned to duty in OSI? Yeah I bet we’ll never get the whole story.
One of the things that has ‘slipped by’ is the issue of the Hair dye…
Kyrgyzstan does not have shopping centers located in every town and city.. a vast majority of ‘merchandise’ is sold in small kiosks. They might measure 4×5 meters, or around 12×15 feet.
The reason I bring this up is simple.. IF she is the one who did the dye job, she would have purchased the dye prior to the disappearance. A store like TSUM would just not exist in the countryside, and finding hair dye in a kiosk would be next to impossible.
KUBA may be able to elaborate on this.
My guess on the hair dye: she didn’t do this abortion alone, she had a “helper” from Kant or close by. When things went sour this person brought her hair dye so she could carry out her poorly-thought-out, panicky cover-up plan. Same thought with scissors or other hair-cutting implement: not something one would ordinarily carry to a mall. She had to get a cutting implement from somewhere.
Seems like we would have heard from a salesman/saleswoman at a store if they’d sold a blonde woman black hair dye during the days Jill was missing. We didn’t hear anything like that. Certainly that would stand out in one’s memory. So either someone got it for her, OR she’s telling the truth about abductors dyeing and cutting her hair.
Wiz, I would think that if she bought the hair dye before her disappearance then she knew she had to go AWOL. I’m not sure I buy that, given her crazy bomb in the pocket, trance story she told. I also would agree that she had help in that step. My guess is someone at the clinic.
There’s a lot we don’t know. I assume that given the DOJ’s investigation that a lot doesn’t add up in her story to them, including more than what we’ve already been told or know. Maybe the investigators know where she purchased the dye from and from whom.
This is a story bout a gal named Deb,
Poor Officer trying keep the horses fed
Booted out her hubby for INFIDELTY..
Then axed why is everyone bashing me?
Fraud, waste abuse….illegal use of government computers
Next thang yuh know ole Debs a commenteer,
Happy, Julie & Wiz cry never leave here!
You our Metzger rumor CELEBRITY…
as Deb posts and comments from work with glee.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The Metzger Hill-Billies!
I vote for “Jill-Billies”
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Yes, I started abortion rumors because I heard them in Bishkek. I reported here about those rumors.
Posted by: Kuba Kyrgyz at October 13, 2006 12:05 AM
Kuba, When the news interviews a doctor who states that a person had an abortion, that’s not a rumor. You have treated the alleged news broadcast as a fact previously. But now you say that abortion is a rumor you heard from others in Bishkek. Which is it?
Posted by: DM at October 16, 2006 10:55 AM
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Both. Both has widely been discussed in Kyrgyz-Russian blogsphere. Looks like that Kyrgyz cops definitely know what was the real story, but told to keep silent for the time being.
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and finding hair dye in a kiosk would be next to impossible.
KUBA may be able to elaborate on this.
Posted by: Wizbanger Poster at October 16, 2006 04:22 PM
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2 Wizbanger Poster
Kant is relatively large town with big shops. And if not available from shops, then hair dye and cosmetics stuff is freely sold in outdoor bazaars. There one could buy even Nonica (sic!) Lewinsky Chinese made condoms once upon a time.
VR is right though. Someone local is involved with knowledge of Kant area.
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Bigfoot: sounds familiar… http://farshores.org/c04bf11.htm
Posted by: ijosha at October 16, 2006 09:59 AM
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So, what happened to Jill Metzger is not unique then. 🙂
So Bigfoot was a bigamist, or cheating on his wife when he was with Jill? What a scoundrel!
Example of Jill Metzger abortion rumors in Kyrgyz-Russian blogsphere.
1)
http://baisalov.livejournal.com/147359.html
Слух, конечно, но похоже на правду.
Говорят, что она просто легла в частную клинику на два дня (даже уже называют адрес этой клиники), где она сделала аборт.
Она должна была улетать в США через два дня, а там понятное дело – муж, да и делать аборт в Штатах не только морально и тайно невозможно перед мужем, но процедурно трудно и дорого, а у нас аборт можно сделать без проблем и дёшево по американским меркам.
There are rumors that she (Jill) did an abortion in private clinic (actually those rumors even mention the address of the clinic). She was to fly back to USA to husband in couple of days, but it’s difficult to do an abortion in USA without husband’s consent, but that can be done for next to nothing here by American standards with no legal complications.
2)
http://kozubekov.livejournal.com/
Кроме того, говорят, что реальная история последнего “исчезновения и появления” майора-женщины с базы “Ганси” известна официальной кыргызской стороне и не подаётся огласке по взаимной договорённости с американцами, но также может быть использована против них позже кыргызской стороной, так как не с лучшей стороны красит именно американскую сторону.
There are talks, that real story behind USAF female major’s “disapperance and reapperance” is very well known to Kyrgyz officials, and is kept silent on the request of US authorities, but could be used to pressurize the USA later on, when needed, because the story is really ugly.
Actually, it was interesting to hear rumors that Mary Jovanowitch, US ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, is called “Redhead Infidel” in certain circles.
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Some of the offenses I previously suggested as being appropriate offenses to be charged have the potential of including a death conviction, again it comes to what are you expecting to be reasonable punishment for falsely claiming to be abducted?
Posted by: johca at October 15, 2006 01:31 AM
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I just pointed out that US grand jury’s approval of investigations in Kyrgyzstan are breaching bilateral agreements US-Kyrgyz concluded.
Either DOJ is being incompetent here, or someone turned a blind eye to the law. Story is getting better day by day.
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http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/local/local_story_285011224.html
Metzger is appearing before a grand jury to validate she was abducted and to OK the Justice Department to investigate in Kyrgyzstan
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This 4-eyed chap is Edil Baisalov, one of our pro-American human right watch-dogs.
http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/42218142/9554807
He will be leading rally against our pro Russian president Kurmanbek Bakiev on November 2nd, 2006.
Who’s the pawn, and who is the queen in this chess game?
http://www.limon.kg/akipress/img/avia01.jpg
Kyrgyz TU-154 jetliner, which grazed KC-135 USAF tanker, when Jill Metzger was trying to heal mentally and physically.
http://pics.livejournal.com/azzzik/pic/0000sx40
Kyrgyz president’s son Maxim Bakiev (center) has bought soccer club Blackpool in England. (Maybe for the rental money by USAF for Manas airbase?)
Well, I wonder if Jill validated her abduction story before the Grand Jury, or if she caved in and told the truth. Would it not have been a good time for the AF to recognize her as a real hero if the story were true? Where was the photo of her in uniform on the courthouse steps, in profile, looking upwards toward the heavens?
Can someone please comment on what it means that the FBI is involved? What kinds of crimes on foreign soil would they get involved with? Kidnapping? Drugs? I just can’t understand all of this. Why is the FBI involved instead of the AF’s own investigation unit? Why is she testifying in front of a grand jury instead of a military tribunal? She was an active duty officer when this all went down; is there any precedent for other service members who do wrong in another country, and then face a civilian grand jury BACK HOME? Johca, what is going on? Why isn’t the AF cleaning up its own mess?
Another Jill Metzger article…updated about 8 hours ago. Not much new information, but still something new to stare at. 🙂
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wokyrg1017,0,3904839.story?coll=ny-leadworldnews-headlines
~Mooney
Can anyone remember the story of (I think it was) a Marine who claimed he was abducted while deployed, and it turned out he was visiting a girlfriend? He had a middle eastern name/background. How was his case handled? I seem to remember very little, and I’m not sure I ever felt like I got the whole story.
Ah! That article has MUCH new information, Mooney! That’s the first mention of her buying hair dye. If that’s the case, then absolutely she made up this whole bogus story. Why else buy hair dye? It also makes it clear Jill has stuck by her abduction story — it wasn’t just a one-time panic-sticken fib given to the Kyrgyz police. It also has more details about what she and the “abductors” did. The female abductor wouldn’t speak, but handed her notes? They let her out of the van to buy water? WHAT??????? What kind of wackiness is all of this?
Great post. The details are leaking out.
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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wokyrg1017,0,3904839.story?coll=ny-leadworldnews-headlines
Metzger’s father, John, when contacted by telephone from Central Asia at the family’s home in North Carolina, said much is unknown, but three facts are certain: His daughter was kidnapped, she was beaten, and she escaped.
“She’s a tough little cookie,” he said. “She wants to see these criminals brought to justice and she’ll do everything she can to see that this happens.”
Urmanbetov said police are basing their investigation on the assumption that Metzger was indeed kidnapped, “because that’s what she insists.”
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Interesting development. But I maintain, that this is a breach of Kyrgyz-US bilateral agreements. This is getting plain outrageous.
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Bilateral agreement
«Kyrgystan has no right to prosecute or press charges against American servicemen»
“US and Kyrgyzstan governments agreed not to file claims against each other for incurred losses, deaths or physical injuries to any civil or military personnel»
Ahhhhh… So THERE’S my answer to the Hair Dye issue. (Well, at least as it has been reported by some source… but you just never can tell who’s fibbin’ and who’s not)
Daddy would like nothing better than for this whole thing to just….. gooooo away. But, I’m not sure that is going to happen.
As for the water thing.. I can imagine this actually occured, but rather than leaving it ‘hanging’, knowing that the people who sold her the water may come forth with the story, she decides to just throw it in.
Lacking the cranial capacity to understand that this would only add fuel to the fire. “WHY DIDN’T YOU RUN AT THAT POINT?”…..
Folks, I don’t know what I am more angry about… The fact that she thinks that people are THAT stupid to believe this crap, or that no one has had the guts to smack her for her lies?
Daddy Metzger: Jill what have I told you about lies?
Jill: Uhhh.. gee daddy Metzger, I can’t remember?
Daddy Metzger: I said that if you must lie, make it believeable!
Jill: But, daddy Metzger, are you saying you don’t believe me?
Daddy Metzger: SMACK!! SMACK!! You are not my kid, do you get that? You can’t be my child!!! Mother, get your butt in here… I wanna know who this kid’s daddy is??
I think the story that most closely parallels JM’s situation is that of Wassef Ali Hassoun. Remember him? He was the US Marine who deserted from his unit near Fallujah, Iraq in 2004. A militant group CLAIMED they abducted him after luring him with an Arab woman. There was a photo of him, blindfolded, with swords over his head on Al Jazeerah. His family asked for world-wide prayers for their son, and hoped his Muslim heritage would save him. He appeared at the US Embassy a little later in good shape.
Turns out he deserted from the Marines and made the whole thing up. The military proceeded very cautiously with his prosecution because they didn’t want to offend Muslims and make a mistake. The NAVY did the investigation, not the FBI. The PENTAGON charged him with desertion, larceny, wrongful disposition of military property and he was said to face dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of pay, and 5-10 years incarceration on each charge. HOWEVER, on January 4, 2005 he deserted from his unit again in the US and made his way to Lebanon (now how does THAT happen???). He’s still there now, and Lebanon is “considering” a request by the US to extradite him. (Yeah, that’ll happen.)
So perhaps Jill has some of the same charges to face. I am still curious, though, why this investigation is not being handled by the military and instead is being done by the FBI. Is it because her husband is OSI and they thought it might look “tainted”?
Does anything think she’ll see jail time?
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New facts revealed by the Kyrgyz police, however, deepen the mystery and raise the possibility Metzger orchestrated her own disappearance. Kyrgyz authorities say there is no evidence to back up her account that a woman approached her while she was shopping and kidnapped her.
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I’d advise Jill Metzger to jump at “hypnotizing Indian fakirs robbery” opportunity here. In fact, I advised that long time ago. Or is she absolutely clueless? Someone, please, forward this to Jill’s dad. Salvation lies here.
All else will be leading to the dead end, trust me, Jill.
And that will be less embarassing for Kyrgyz side. We will be spared from telling ugly story to our people.
Why isn’t the AF cleaning up its own mess? I believe the Air Force is trying and hopefully delay in providing any official explanation or clarification of the initial story is result getting beyond first impressions and preconcieved notions by gathering evidence through good police work, so legal trickery can not explain the evidence away.
New suggestion:
Contact The Smoking Gun! They always seem to be able to get the true story out way before the mass media.
[email protected]
I e-mailed him/her and asked them to look into it. They might, if there’s enough interest.
Way to go VR! Smoking Gun is one of the first places I started looking for information on this case and was dissapointed to not find anything
Wait, that Newsday article — huge tidbit in there.
An item was placed in her BACKPACK, not her back pocket. That is completely different than a back pocket. You could put something “bomb like” in a backpack.
Which then begs the question, how about you drop the stupid backpack and RUN AWAY very fast??? And why would you follow some woman to the outdoor market when she hands you a note asking for help? And why would you continue to follow her instructions all over the city of Bishkek, when you could leave the backpack in the street, run right to the jewelry stores across the street from the Zum — you know, the ones with all the ARMED GUARDS — and ask for help?
Oh, I forgot. You are in a trance.
Come on now. This story is truly getting better as more details come out.
I think that the Newsday article opened up a bigger can of worms for Metzger. The dye issue becomes HUGH now.
To me it means that she was knowing going AWOL before setting all this up. She probably got connections someplace to get to the clinic and paid for it with her so called flashy jewelry. That necklace she reported stolen.
Now I wonder if the bomb in the backpack or in the back of the pants was a language issue or just conflicting statements from her. HMMMM!
Boy things are getting real interesting now!
For the Borat fans — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR5Ae0VQ728
Hey Deb-G,
Your story on your ex not wanting a divorce is not true.
I heard he start dating enlisted babes because your SNAPPER was not up to par.
This blog has become even more interesting and enjoyable to read now that DebG-The-Human-Volcano is gone. I’m amazed that no one in the media is keeping a close eye on the Jill Metzger story. Greta talks about it once in awhile but doesn’t seem to be doing any real digging. Hopefully, the truth will eventually come out.
Everyone who wants to hear the real story:
send an e-mail to [email protected]
and ask them to look into it! I fear we won’t hear it otherwise. It may be a little “racy” for prime-time TV news, but it’s right up Smoking Gun’s alley.
Check this out – breaking news and it may explain FBI involvement.
http://www.militarycorruption.com/index.html
FJ
Great post, and that’s an interesting article on a military blog that seems to be widely read. I think the writer got much of his info from this blog, but at least interest is being generated.
Here some excerpts from article in Kyrgyz “Delo” newspaper. September 13.
http://delo.ktnet.kg/2006/30/02.shtml
September 5. 4.15pm
Jill enters TSUM department store.
September 5. 4.18pm
Jill splits from her group, goes back to ground floor. She buys lipstick.
September 5. 4.28pm
Jill leaves shopping center on exit to Chui prospekt. Although US airbase military personnel’s collection point is on Shopokov street.
September 5. 5pm
There was a call placed from Jill Metzger’s cell phone in the area of Eastern Bishkek Bus Station.
(N.B. by Kuba. Buses, going to and coming from Kant, depart from and arrive in Eastern Bishkek Bus Station)
September 5. 7pm
Call is registered placed from Jill Metzger’s cell phone in the area of “Tunguch” microdistrict.
(N.B. by Kuba. Located in eastern suburbs of Bishkek.)
September 5. 8pm
Jill Metzger’s cell phone is switched off.
September 8. 11pm
Jill Metzger knocks on the door of Svetlana Ivaschenko (N.B. she is ethnic Ukrainian, presumably from her surname), resident of Kant town, living in Pushkin street. She called immediately the police, when Jill Metzger tried to explain her something in English. Kyrgyz cops immediately arrived, took Jill Metzger to Issyk-Ata district clinic for medical check-ups.
No traces of physical abuse and beting up on Jill Metzger’s body. Her hair was dyed black.
Journalists of TV station arrived in Issyk-Ata district clinic to interview Jill Metzger about her ordeal. But they did not have much chance to do that, because of US marines from US embassy, which arrived shortly, beat them up, shouting “No Press!!!” and confiscated their video and audio materials.
Then US marines immediately took Jill Metzger away.
September 9.
Jill Metzger urgently flown out of Kyrgyzstan to Baghram airbase, Afghanistan.
September 11.
Jill Metzger was transferred to Germany.
VR —
Hate to be contrary, but that site is way too “tabloid”, and (as you said) they got most of their info from here and other sites, even trying to make it sound like they got direct quotes from direct sources — even though the material is word-for-word from somewhere else. Also, they had absolutely nothing to add. On a positive note (as you said) at least interest might be generated, which could help bring in data from thus far silent sources…
Kuba —
Yeah, that pretty much matches my timeline.