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Hey wait just a minute “Deb G”….I never said it made me mad to read the blog. Quite the contrary…I find it entertaining, the way freak shows are entertaining. As far as my opinion about Jill Metzger…I’ve said at least four times that I think she’s lying but I’m not obsessing over it like some people are. You know, “Deb G,” it’s really starting to show that you’re not an angry person at all…not even one teeny tiny little bit. Sarcasm intended.
Checking in today and see nothing happening. Will check again tomorrow.
Johni: Interesting way of looking at a polygraph test and your story made me smile. I have heard many stories of people actually lying to a question and still passing the test! They are not 100% accurate.
Dorothy: LOL, I am far from angry, don’t get angry. You are useless and actually quite “mean”. Angry people say bad things about others when they feel less than adequate about themselves. Strong people with intelligence know how to cope and defend. I should just ignore you, but I find you “entertaining”….there is not one thing on this blog/comment/site which bothers me, not even you. Not sure why my life has you so intrigued enough to constantly bash. You NEVER come in here without mentioning me and bashing, that Dorothy, is a real MENTAL ISSUE (like a bully in the playground)….do yourself a favor and seek help. This site should NOT make you sad, happy, glad, mad or anything against anyone….talk about freak show.
Wow, North Korea does a nuclear test. This made history. I wonder what the UN will do now? Maybe we should start a new thread…….
Someone posted funny stuff on Metzger subject about Metzger’s claims that she was robbed.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158587
Silly female Air Force Major make big lie story–say she robbed by Kyrgyz bandit. But we see big diamond ring on hand! What you think–we fool? We no know value diamond ring? Who silly fool now! You ALL go home! You lose war, Kyrgz warlord laugh at you! You no understand Asia, you fool!
Deb G. – to quote IKJ earlier “If you really want the folks to back off then don’t answer absurd attacks… or rather change tactics.”
Also, this is not an attack, an observation.
You responded to Dorothy’s one post about you with THREE posts. You say you don’t care what people on this board think about you but you respond so vehemently to what they say that it’s hard to believe that you don’t care. Just a theory, but maybe you’re being targeted because you’re easily provoked. Besides that, Dorothy is as entitled to her opinion of you as you are to your opinion of Jill Metzger or of me for that matter. You’ve laughed at me, ridiculed me, and condescended in your writings to and about me on this board for what I’ve written. That’s no different than Dorothy thinking you’re a jerk for what you’ve written on this board. If you’re going to be vocal, then people are going to form opinions of you based on what you say. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t defend yourself, but responding with name calling is juvenile and saying that everyone who opposes you is jealous and obsessed with you, well, that just comes off as narcissism.
I’m not trying to start an argument about this, but you posed the question of why people target you, so that’s just my two cents.
DM: I come on here to mull around for any new info. on Jill Metzger and participate with info. of my own or opinions on the case, and have NEVER responded to you, nor anyone in regards to anything negative about what they say in regards to Jill Metzger’s situation. I respond to anything said about me because I can and think it is absurd for you or anyone to keep bashing myself or anyone on this board. Fruitless really. And, sorry, but I don’t care what you say about me – it means nothing to me or my life. I come on here to read words and info. on Metzger’s case and as far I can recall, I am not making news anywhere around the world for lying to the government, military, civilians, or anyone about being abducted. Sorry, but I do NOT undersand why anyone would post or comment ro anyone else here about character, silly really. You don’t know me and you certainly have no right to tell me what I should do or not do and I could care less about your observations about me, again, silly really…Immature to boot. Now, do you have any observations on Metzger? or how about the North Korean nuclear test? or perhaps Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes? Brad and Angelina? Illegal aliens coming into our country? Steve Irwin getting killed by a stingray barb? there are so many other topics in this world to dicuss, I’m not one of them and your observations on me are well, wrong, but hey, you’re entitled to your opinion and so am I – I think you are just as immature and undirected as Dorothy. Perhaps the two of you could chat with each other? What a great coffee or tea time that would be. If you like drama and gossiping and forming opinions about so many other people, you shoudl work for the Enquirer…..those minds always want to know….people who constantly bash someone else do come across as jealous and obsessed – are you that way too??? The only time people like you seem to think I am vocal is when I respond back to you. So, you have a right to comment about me, but I don’t have a right to comment back? LOL good one.
Kuba: I can’t open that link. Is that the entirety of what it said??
Deb G. “So, you have a right to comment about me, but I don’t have a right to comment back?” I didn’t say that at all. In fact I said “I’m not saying that you shouldn’t defend yourself”. I really don’t think that you even attempt to read what half of us are writing. You rarely actually respond to any of the points or questions that I’ve directed toward you.
“Sorry, but I do NOT undersand why anyone would post or comment ro anyone else here about character” – I find this hypocritical because you are here, at least in part, to comment on the character of Jill Metzger. In fact, what you do is worse, because you ripped apart the character of someone when they weren’t even around to defend themselves, but you don’t want the same thing done to you. At least you are here to defend yourself.
In regards to you thinking you’ve NEVER responded to me negatively about what I think about Jill Metzger, I just don’t have time to go through the 1400 message on the previous page to find examples. It’s all about perception. I think you’ve laughed at me, you don’t think you’ve laughed at me. You think my last post was ‘bashing’, but I don’t have a malicious intent. Oh well.
You’ve ask repeatedly why people specifically write negatively about you, so I offered you my theory (Isn’t that what we do here – theorize?) – you are easily provoked. Why do I think you’re easily provoked? Because you can’t let the comments go. Someone thinks you’re a jerk and you respond by flipping out on them. You ask why people attack you, I try to tell you what I think, and you respond with an outburst.
I’m not claiming to have the 101 on Deb G. All I’m trying to say to you is that from the style and content of your writing, these are the opinions I’ve formed. “Deb G” is the summation of what Deb G has written. Take it how you will. But if you truly want us to believe that you don’t care, that these opinions “don’t mean anything” to you or your life, that you “could care less about your observations about me”, then try torespond thoughtfully as opposed to emotionally.
DM DM DM: I know you cannot SEE me behind this computer. I am not easily provoked and am as calm as can be and do not respond emotionally nor with an outburst (perhaps something you might do)- keep trying. I don’t really WANT to know why people are bashing me or anyone here, just don’t understand it – mind boggling really. I don’t need an explanation, and I truly don’t care. I don’t comment on the character of Metzger, I comment on what I feel could have happened. Her character, however, is a direct reflection of her actions. Obviously, YOU, are provoked and rattled by me to keep commenting on what you think of me. I find that funny. I did not come on here posting about you, you came on here posting about me. You give it out, but cannot take it in. Would you like an observation on YOU?? Insecure, obsessed, unable to take what someone else says about you, unable to play games nicely, unable to theorize with others, opionated of others opinions, butts into others business, not in touch with reality, controlling, trying to make someone think the way YOU want them to think, ok, I will stop here – take it how you will, but if you truly want US (what do you belong to a gang or something) to believe that you don’t care or my opinion means nothing to you then try responding intelligently instead of opionatedly (is that word?), or emotionally…..my perception is pretty good, yours is not….sorry
Came across this article. If you have already read this, apologies for the double posting. It is obvious at an early stage, Metzger was not believed.
Vanishing Major: Runaway Bride or Kidnap Victim?
September 11, 2006 8:12 PM
Luis Martinez Reports:
U.S. defense officials tell ABC News that serious inconsistencies have emerged in the investigation of the strange disappearance of Air Force Major Jill Metzger. Maj. Metzger vanished without a trace while shopping at a store in Kyrgyzstan on Sept. 5 until she just as mysteriously reappeared three days later.
Sources tell ABC News that surveillance video taken in the store contradict the Major’s story that she was abducted after someone put a hard object in her back pocket along with a note saying that it was an explosive. The video indicates that she left the store of her own free will, and alone, according to sources who have seen the video.
As investigators gather all the facts surrounding the case, they are exploring the possibility that she was attempting to flee a recent marriage, according to one source close to the investigation. When she was found, her hair had been cropped short and dyed.
If Maj. Metzger was abducted, investigators will continue to work with local police in a criminal case. However, if she left on her own and she was not DUSTWUN — Duty Status Whereabouts Unknown — she will be reclassified as AWOL — Absent Without Leave– and open to punishment by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. A lower ranking enlisted person might just get a reprimand, but officers are held to a higher standard.
Maj. Metzger is currently at Landstuhl Air Force Base undergoing medical treatment and debriefing. She will return to the U.S. within the next three to four days to undergo further care and debriefing at Walter Reed Medical Center. Despite the fact that she is a two-time winner, Metzger will not be running in this weekend’s Air Force Marathon as planned.
DM: “I don’t comment on the character of Metzger”. That’s ludicrous. Reread what you’ve read and you’ll see character judgment is a theme.
“You give it out, but cannot take it in.” Deb, if I couldn’t take it, I wouldn’t still be here.
“Insecure” – If I were insecure, I’d hardly be able to stand the heat in here, especially as I often seem to be in the minority opinion.
“obsessed” – At the risk of feeding your naricissism, I’m not obsessed, you’re just one of the most intriguing characters in here.
“unable to take what someone else says about you” – Untrue. I know what you think of me, and well, okay.
“unable to play games nicely” – I wasn’t aware that we were playing games in here. But I’m glad to know that’s what you think is going on.
“unable to theorize with others” – Just because I haven’t thrown out a bunch of overblown theories out there doesn’t mean that I’m unable to. I choose not to. And you can’t say that I’ve not commented thoughtfully on other things – for example, my deduction regarding Josh’s lack of knowledge regarding his wife as discussed above.
“opionated of others opinions” – How can you scold me for forming an opinion? That’s what we’re all doing here. Are you once again trying to make the rules to suit you?
“butts into others business” – I don’t even know what you’re talking about.
“not in touch with reality” – Who’s reality? Yours? “Reality” is a subjective personal experience so this is hardly an insult.
“controlling” – How have I tried to control you? There is in fact, no way that I CAN control you. The fact that you bring this up so often makes me wonder if the person who has issues with control is not in fact you.
“trying to make someone think the way YOU want them to think” – First of all there’s nothing illegal about persuasion. Second, I’m not jamming my opinions down anyone’s throat. And thirdly, can you honestly say that YOU don’t want people to think the way you do? You obviously want others to think that this is a story that deserves more media coverage and you want people to pay more attention to it. Otherwise, why would you have emailed anyone at Moody Airbase? That action alone shows that you want someone else to think the way you do.
When you say I’m rattled by you, well I’m not shaking in my shoes, but you do grate on my nerves.
Conclusion: Get off your high horse and ditch the double standard and hipocracy. This is what bothers me: You can do/say whatever you want, but if anyone who does or says that same thing and in doing so, offends you or comes into opposition with you, then they are wrong and worthy of a good tongue-lashing.
correction: The above is directed to Deb G., not DM.
“Sources tell ABC News that surveillance video taken in the store contradict the Major’s story that she was abducted after someone put a hard object in her back pocket along with a note saying that it was an explosive. The video indicates that she left the store of her own free will, and alone, according to sources who have seen the video.”
If Metzger was abducted, then the video doesn’t necessarily contradict this. It DOES show that she walked out of the store on her own, which is apparently against the rules and is at the very least a careless decision. But the video can’t show what happened OUTSIDE of the store. She could have taken a nap on the sidewalk, she could have joined a game a softball with some kids, or things could have played out as she said they did. Point is, a video only shows what happened INSIDE and can’t rule out what happens someone walks out of range.
DM: Again, I ONLY respond to someone commenting about me, not about Metzger’s situation. I did not start this blog, comment area, post/thread and her character is a huge part of what she has done, however, I am not here to bash her character, merely trying to figure out what the truth might be – YOU DM, do not understand the depth of what she has done and I am not going to try to explain that to you, you would not get it anyway. The games I am referring to is you (and a few others) posting back to ME, not in regards to Metzger, just me, yes, I see it as a game, because it means nothign to me and is entertaining, like games are – goes not make a difference in my life, like a game does not. Umm, I emailed a few folks at Moody to ask their opinion, NOT tellt hem what to think or do. I can’t even remember the rest of your post, I just know you wrote I grate on your nerves……hmmmmmm, that my dear is a problem, YOUR problem. If I grate on your nerves, STOP POSTING AND RESPONDING TO ME. Who cares what I write, really now, this is silly. For you to allow anything in here to grate on your nevers is disturbing. You DO NOT grate on my nerves because you mean nothing to me, you are merely a cyber person who happens to post back about me. I forget about this stuff until I come back to see if any new news is out on Metzger and, there you are! I also check into the news often, not about Metzger, but about other life situations and am heavily in tune with world situations – are you? or are you just in tune and mad at everyone around you who has an opinion you don’t like or a character you don’t like. I have a visual of what you might be like in person and defintely not someone I would ever associate with anyway….not into YOUR games or YOUR control sorry. I don’t tell anyone here what to do or how to think, but YOU do – your perception is a bit ill versed…..ok, YOUR turn, just like a game, because YOU DM have made it that way…..
DM: Now, I have to comment. A game of softball w/kids? It is certain, your reality factor is not in check.
DM: Now, I have to comment. A game of softball w/kids? It is certain, your reality factor is not in check.
Posted by: Deb G. at October 9, 2006 01:18 PM
That’s obvious a petty dig at me. That’s not the point at all of my post and you seem intelligent enough to know that. But if you’re not, then read my post again until you do because I can’t be any clearer about it.
DM: You petty dig at me constantly, re-read YOUR OWN posts and you couldn’t be any clearer about it.
Intelligent enough? Now, I could almost assume the jist of your post, however, frankly, given the lack of recent sense, was not sure if you truly believed that could have happened. I have nothing against you DM, I really don’t, but in all due respect, you DO NOT know me, my character, my intent, my reason for sending an email to Moody, my intrigue of reading this blog or thread or whatever you call it or the BIG PICTURE. Just like I don’t know you, thus, it is silly of either of us to try and figure out what the other is like. Well, I am not trying to figure you out, but if we were put in a room together, say, for lunch, I can almost guarantee I would not grate on your nerves and ya might even like me! I don’t know of anyone who feels I grate on their nerves, co-workers, friends, family. I actually have a rather good life and no enemies (none that I know of). This site does not count, because I don’t know anyone here and noone here knows me either and this is a tiny fragment of my life, teeny teeny tiny, which I have met some nice folks whom I keep in touch via email right now. Mostly ladies, a few men. I have no ill intent here, toward anyone. I have the same reasons for coming here as 95% of others do. The other 5% are ill mannered in regards to the intent of this blog. and DM, I actually don’t even think you are that 5%. I have actually enjoyed many of your posts, regardless of what you post to me…..
Deb G & DM.
I have come back refreshed from my spritual weekend retreat.
For my own gratification can we all stick to the subject of Maj Jill Metzger.
Please ladies, I fear you two may be making German spectacles of yourselves.
Pete
“spiritual weekend retreat”
If it was anything like mine it started Thursday afternoon and, rum, vodka, and tequilla all played a primary roll for the duration. 🙂
For the sake of clarification, I do not believe that Jill Metzger left the mall to play softball. I was trying to make a point, which I stated – that any number of things could have happened outside of the store, including that which was reported by Metzger, and that I don’t think that a video of what happened INSIDE the store can rule out what happened OUTSIDE the store.
Pete,
I was wondering who would be the first to ask Deb G. and myself to knock it off 🙂
German spectacles?
Pete,
Hear, hear! Let’s get back to Jill Metzger and out speculations about her situation.
Seems like it’s pretty clear she left the mall to do something per her own agenda. Do we think she invented the entire story, or do we think something bad really did happen to her after her personal agenda plan fell through?
Let’s assume she left the mall to go and do something the AF would be upset/embarrassed about: get an abortion, have an affair, buy EPO. But then is it possible she DID fall victim to foul play? Really WAS kidnapped? And then the perps realized she’s military and panicked and let her go? If this happened, would it make sense that the military is keeping quiet about it now? What a touchy situation: on the one hand, she did something she shouldn’t have initially, but on the other hand she was victimized and possibly raped/brutalized in some way. It would be somewhat difficult to punish her harshly…
Or is that way too far-fetched? Did she, instead, make the ENTIRE story up, dye her own hair, tear off her own necklace, slap her own face a little, run in bare feet to cover up for her botched abortion or her failed marital escape? If so, how could she POSSIBLY continue to tell her abduction story now, with all of the witnesses she left behind in Bishkek?
The comment from Lt Col “in the know”, posted above, has the ring of truth to it. We’ve already covered this possibility here (abortion gone bad). Is there any other theory that holds water as well?
I am all with getting back on topic,too. Please.
2Deb G
FYI
Reposting here content of URL.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158587
Title: Security Services Unable To Reconstruct What Happened To USAF Major
Source: Eurasian Secret Services Daily Review
URL Source: http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp? article=1062
Published: Sep 12, 2006
Author: Staff at USSDR
Post Date: 2006-09-12 20:53:49 by Idol Hanz
20 Comments
Security services unable to reconstruct what happened to US captain in Kyrgyzstan
AIA already reported about the case of Jill Metzger , a US Air Force captain who was presumed kidnapped on September 5 in Kyrgyzstan before turning up three days later. More questions than answers continue to surround the case, online agency Eurasia.net writes today. Metzger, who was reportedly in the final days of a deployment at the US air base at Manas outside the Kyrgyz capital, vanished after last being seen at Bishkek’s Central Department Store in the late afternoon on September 5. Three days later, she reappeared in Kant, a Bishkek suburb that also happens to be the home of a Russian military facility. While missing, Metzger’s long blonde hair had been cut short and dyed black, according to local reports. Metzger, according to witnesses, seemed dazed when she reappeared, but showed no visible signs of physical abuse; she is “undergoing follow-up medical evaluations and debriefings” at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Centre in Germany, according to a US Air Force statement. Beyond this, what happened to Metzger remains a mystery, Eurasia.net says. Local news accounts, citing security services investigators, say that Metzger claimed that she had been kidnapped, but in the moments immediately after she resurfaced, she reportedly provided Kyrgyz police with contradictory information about her experience. Several Kyrgyz media outlets said surveillance video at the department store showed Metzger leaving alone. The 24.kg news agency, citing a security forces source, reported that a woman matching Metzger’s description speaking in Russian approached “the operator of a telephone outlet” in Bishkek and a private taxi driver admitted giving a “foreign woman” a lift on September 5 around the time of Metzger’s disappearance. Security services have been unable to reconstruct what happened after this point until her reappearance. The 24.kg report of a foreign woman speaking in Russian contradicts an account provided by the couple in Kant who first encountered Metzger on September 8. The Bely Parakhod newspaper quoted a woman, identified as Svetlana Ishchenko, as saying that when Metzger mysteriously appeared at her front door, the American seemed to be in a state of shock and could not speak a word of Russian.
Comments:
1. To: Idol Hanz (#0)
Jusnt another chick gone wild. I’m wondering if she was wearing zee uniform or at least portions of it while being… you know… kidnapped.
A Vast RightWing Conspirator posted on 2006-09-12 20:55:54 ET Reply Trace
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2. To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator (#1)
Silly Air Force Major make big lie story! She insult all good Kyrgz people! She go home now—and take suitcase with her! Kyrgz warlord laugh at American– why you use silly female major to fight war? We laugh! You look silly!
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-12 20:59:15 ET Reply Trace
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3. To: All (#0)
Silly female Air Force Major make big lie story–say she robbed by Kyrgz bandit. But we see big diamond ring on hand! What you think–we fool? We no know value diamond ring? Who silly fool now! You ALL go home! You lose war, Kyrgz warlord laugh at you! You no understand Asia, you fool!
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-12 21:04:19 ET Reply Trace
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4. To: Idol Hanz (#0)
Post hypnotic suggestion?
Manchurian Candidate?
scratch that
Womanchurian Candidate.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-09-12 23:09:59 ET Reply Trace
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5. To: Goldi-Lox (#4)
it’s possible she did not tell the police what happened
I am sure she is telling the military everything now
palo verde posted on 2006-09-12 23:14:55 ET Reply Trace
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6. To: palo verde (#5)
No, Palo–you still don’t get it.
The military is telling HER what to say now. They want this to go away and they will concoct a story. OR, they will quietly give her an article 15 and bury it. Article 15’s are not FOIA’ble so the media wont find out no matter how hard they dig.
Meanwhile, the enlisted go to jail for the same offenses on Animal Farm. (some animals are more equal then other animals)
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-12 23:19:34 ET
Comments (continued):
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158587
9. To: palo verde (#7)
1) USAF and the embassy refused to conduct a joint investigation–this alone speaks volumnes. If there was “foul play” suspected it is to the advantage of the United States to work closely with the host nation–This is NOT what happened! The US immedieatly put her on an aircraft and removed her. They refused to cooperate with the Kyrgyz authorities who had jurisdiction.
If there was “foul play” don’t you think the US would work with the Kyrgyz to find the “culprits” DUH!!!! Wake up!
2) She told the Kyrgyz that she had been “robbed” of a necklace but she had a diamond on her hand!!
Give it up Palo–stop being “PC”. If you can’t smell the truth in this case, I feel sorry for you. This is not “animal farm” where some animals (female officers) are more equal then others. Just because your a female and an officer doesnt excuse you from “equal justice under law”.
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-12 23:32:40 ET Reply Trace
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10. To: palo verde (#8)
Great, the investigators were there. Why didnt they conduct a joint investigation after she was found? Please explain this FACT.
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-12 23:33:37 ET Reply Trace
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11. To: All (#10)
Why did she leave by herself??? She was under orders not to go out alone and yet she left by herself. This fact is evidenced by the video tape!!
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-12 23:34:53 ET Reply Trace
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12. To: All (#0)
The bottom line her is the USAF leadership want this to go away and they will lie and deny till the bitter end.
I’m writing all the major media and demand that they investigate, investigate, investigate, dig dig dig….get to the bottom of it!!
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-12 23:37:40 ET Reply Trace
13. To: Idol Hanz (#9)
Give it up Palo–stop being “PC”. If you can’t smell the truth in this case, I feel sorry for you. This is not “animal farm” where some animals (female officers) are more equal then others. Just because your a female and an officer doesnt excuse you from “equal justice under law”.
I’m not pc
I’m not on her side because she is a gal
I am on the side of truth
if she was abducted in foreign country
and crimes done to her during her abduction
and in a state of shock, I can understand why she would not say anything to the foreign police
she just wanted to be returned to the military
she just wanted to be safe
I do not want to cast aspersions on foreign police I know nothing about
but if she were abducted by gangsters
she doesn’t know who in the police dept may be connected to gangsters
her best bet is so say almost nothing to them
just be returned to military
and then tell the military everything
which I am sure she did
palo verde posted on 2006-09-12 23:41:02 ET Reply Trace
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14. To: Idol Hanz (#11)
Why did she leave by herself??? She was under orders not to go out alone and yet she left by herself. This fact is evidenced by the video tape!!
I thought the article said she was taken on military shopping spree
and was last seen in the department store
obviously you know far many more details about this than I do
and have followed it much more closely
however your conclusions don’t wash with me
I prefer my own conclusions
I don’t care how many times you call me stupid bimbo
I think she was abducted and I think she was raped
because she showed up at the woman’s farm house with bruises on her face, in state of shock, wearing clothes way too big for her
and her blond hair was dyed black
I don’t think they realized they had abducted a US Air Force Colonel
but after her pic was shown on tv
they dyed her hair
palo verde posted on 2006-09-12 23:50:08 ET Reply Trace
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15. To: Idol Hanz (#11)
Why did she leave by herself??? She was under orders not to go out alone and yet she left by herself. This fact is evidenced by the video tape!!
she may have been abducted from the dept store at gunpoint
I don’t know why she left the dept store with the gangsters?
the videotape from the department store you mean
I am not so sure I trust what the foreign police are saying now
it is very serious thing that US Air Force Colonel was abducted and crimes done to her
they may prefer to make it sound like she is a crazy lady making stuff up
(the store would say what the police want them to say)
palo verde posted on 2006-09-12 23:56:15 ET Reply Trace
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16. To: Idol Hanz (#10)
Great, the investigators were there. Why didnt they conduct a joint investigation after she was found? Please explain this FACT.
maybe the Air Force does not want investigation either
neither does the foreign police
nobody wants to make waves about this
palo verde posted on 2006-09-12 23:58:53 ET Reply Trace
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17. To: Idol Hanz (#12)
The bottom line here is the USAF leadership want this to go away and they will lie and deny till the bitter end.
on that we agree
palo verde posted on 2006-09-13 00:49:29 ET Reply Trace
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18. To: palo verde (#17)
Yes, but what about the enlisted going on trial for the same allah damned thing.
I suppose you think that’s fair….? Again, you have no sense of justice. Political correctness is the order of the day!
REVOLT!
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-13 13:02:58 ET Reply Trace
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19. To: palo verde (#15)
she may have been abducted from the dept store at gunpoint
yeah, and monkeys are flying out of my butt too…dream on, Palo
Idol Hanz posted on 2006-09-13 13:03:42 ET Reply Trace
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20. To: Idol Hanz (#18)
Yes, but what about the enlisted going on trial for the same allah damned thing.
I suppose you think that’s fair….? Again, you have no sense of justice. Political correctness is the order of the day!
I am not going to respond to your posts further because of the contempt you are expressing for me in these posts
(even tho I remain tremendously fond of you, and always have been)
I do not belive an enlisted man was abducted, raped, beaten
and then put on trial for AWOL
our Air Force is not monsters
and if she were simply AWOL — I think she would be on trial
pc only goes so far
Kelly Flynn’s career was destroyed by Air Force, in fact they were going to court martial her
for refusing to stop dating the civilian husband of an enlisted woman
she was only allowed to have Dishonorable Discharge instead of court martial
because of the intervention of Trent Lott, then Majority Leader of US Senate
palo verde posted on 2006-09-13 13:59:30 ET Reply Trace
ijosha: Funny stuff. Sounds like a great weekend retreat!
German spectacles? What the?? ah heck….
What were we talking about anyway….Metzger…..
I think I might change the abortion theory to the playing softball outside theory – why not? Possible, she was, afterall, atheletic….(cough)
Kuba,
Thanks for posting that. You come up with some great info.! I know at times it seems you post intently and folks give you a hard time too, however, I also understand your loyalty to your country and this is what provokes your need for further info. as it does mine and many others here. I don’t see anything wrong with what you do, keep doing it!
Metzger Flier, snagged off a building in Bishkek
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathanhamm/254271745/
The Major’s story holds water until offical news release states otherwise. There may be a hole or more causing the water to leak out, but the investigation might just find something other than what we on best guess think happened.
The medical examination done immdiately after her reappearance will have found signs of medical condition and medical procedure if it happened. I can wait for official disclosure of cause of the disappearance which will state at minimium if misconduct and medical condition was or wasn’t the primary cause.
Here is a recent abduction that happened in Mexico. Alaskan woman escapes kidnappers near Zihuatanejo
Has some similarities except there was ransom demand and other communications.
May I ask you all one simple question. Give me simple answer.
Kyrgyzstan has huge American expat community.
There are number of Peace Corpse volunteers, most of them work and live in remote, rural areas.
They would have made an far easier target for potential abductors.
And why then Jill Metzger is picked out of the crowd to be abducted? What was the agenda of abductors?
– Maybe, it’s because she was so exceptionally pretty? And some local warlord wanted to make her his wifey?
– Common, drop it, she is not that good looking woman. Her looks are below average.
There are much better looking gals walking in Bishkek streets.
– Did she have an value as an intel source?
– She could not come up with better excuse than bomb and trance story. I am questioning here her intellectual abilities. What kind of intel source she would have been then?
– Maybe someone wanted to abduct her and ask for ransom?
– And why exactly no female Peace Corps Volunteer was abducted in nearly 16 years time since they arrived in Kyrgyzstan? And they are more vulnerable than Jill Metzger: they live with Kyrgyz host families in rural Kyrgystan, they have no body guards and weapons to protect them. Often villages they live are located in remote areas. Perfect place to snatch someone.
– She claimed she was robbed by abductors.
But she was still wearing expensive diamond rind when she reappeared.
– One strange thing: When she reappeared, Kyrgyz police informed US embassy. The US marines arrived shortly, smashed video and photo cameras of local journalists, shouting “No press!”.
So, US Embassy knew something at that point of time that we do not know?
I am now really baffled at Jill Metzger’s moronity. A kid could have done better job of lying.
Kuba Kyrgyz — Wow! I found that link to the flyer foto barely 20 minutes ago and was going to post it, only to see you beat me to it.
OK, here’s the question I was going to post along with it:
I wonder what the hand-written note on the lower-right side of the flyer says?
“I wonder what the hand-written note on the lower-right side of the flyer says?”
Looks like, just a scribbles. Cannot make it out.
If Jill WAS snatched (which sound unlikely, but possible) she would look like a good target because:
she is small and thin
she looks Europeanish so probably a tourist
she is by herself
she has a big bag of stuff and a cellphone and jewelry, so looks relatively wealthy
she looks lost and doesn’t speak Russian
Going against the possibility of a kidnapping:
–the Kyrgyz officials clearly think it didn’t happen, and they aren’t pursuing it. Jill is not giving them more information, as far as we know, which would probably be happening if she had been kidnapped
–her story (even if we discount the bomb in the pocket/trance part) is wacky. They dyed her hair? She hit someone and escaped?
–kidnapping is an unlikely crime of opportunity. Robbery, yes; rape, yes; but a 3-day kidnapping, no.
–if it was a planned kidnapping (let’s say some bad guys knew her plan to go into Bishkek by herself and waylaid her) then they would have had a ransom plan and a better security plan. (And let’s consider what kind of fools would kidnap an American military member? An airman would have a hell of a lot of people looking for him/her right away, and clearly his/her family would be unlikely to be wealthy enough to pay any big ransom. Bad selection.) Kuba is right, a Peace Corps volunteer would be a better target because they’re often from wealthy families.
–hair dye and cut. Why would kidnappers bother?
What really happened? She lost another pool-hall panties bet! (HappyCivilian post from long ago)
She was supposed to streak all the way back to base, but got lost. She stole some clothing drying on a closeline. The real mystery is the cut and dyed hair (wasn’t part of the bet)…
Another, alternative theory:
She (Metzger) was going to return to US in couple of days. She left TSUM shopping mall to buy Afghan heroin, which is available at dirt cheap price in Bishkek. She hoped to smuggle it to USA on military transport and earn a few bobs. (I do know that militaries are involved in Afghan heroin trafficking.) She made a couple of phone calls. Met with drug dealers. Something went wrong. And et cetera.
Why Is the US Letting Afghan Drug Production Resume?
According to the 2/18/02 Financial Times (London),
“The US and United Nations have ignored repeated calls by the international anti-drugs community to address the increasing menace of Afghanistan’s opium cultivation, threatening a rift between Europe and the US as they begin to reconstruct the country….
How could the US, which until recently spoke loudly and often of the need to wage a war on drugs, be so silent about the Afghan drug problem? One can think of a number of possible explanations. One is that drugs are now the chief source of income for Afghanistan, whose traditional economy has been almost destroyed.
This is a matter of extreme concern to America’s chief ally in the region, Pakistan. Pakistan, which has had to support about 3 million Afghan refugees for the last two decades, saw an additional two hundred thousand flee the country after September 11, 2001. The failure to secure a stable peace has meant that refugees are still coming. Musharraf and the US have political as well as economic reasons to wish to reverse this flow. Many of the refugees are disaffected and open to Islamist recruitment.
This brings us to the sensitive and complex question of the drug involvement of Pakistan’s lead intelligence agency, the ISI (Interservices Intelligence). The ISI, CIA, and Afghan drug traffic have been a single story since the CIA, in May 1979, first met with the ISI protege, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar; and proceeded to fund him, even as his guerrilla operation evolved into a professional drug network with its own heroin labs (McCoy, Politics of Heroin, 451).
From 1996 to 2001 bin Laden was a source of support, along with “Islamic charities in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States,” for the Tajikistan-based Uzbek Islamic resistance known since 1998 as the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, or IMU (Rashid, Jihad, 154; cf. 133, 140, 165). Bin Laden has allegedly, with ISI and Taliban blessing, used the former Hekmatyar drug network to sustain the IMU; he even instituted a regular air service between Nangarhar, where the opium was grown, and Kunduz in northern Afghanistan, a city with a reported heroin lab where the IMU had a major base (Labeviere, 105, 113 [air service]; Cooley, 154 [heroin lab]; Griffin, Reaping the Whirlwind, 150). The IMU has since allegedly established heroin labs in Tajikistan (Rashid, Jihad, 165).
Despite these facts, the relationship between the US and the IMU is far too complex to make the IMU an obvious target for the US “war against terror.” If the CIA, via its sister agency the Pakistan ISI, can maintain a degree of control over the drug flow reaching the IMU, this confers a degree of influence over not just the IMU but the Government of Uzbekistan.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060921&articleId=3294
Legal Business and Illicit Trade are Intertwined
There are powerful business and financial interests behind narcotics. From this standpoint, geopolitical and military control over the drug routes is as strategic as oil and oil pipelines.
Moreover, the above figures including those on money laundering, confirm that the bulk of the revenues associated with the global trade in narcotics are not appropriated by terrorist groups and warlords, as suggested by the UNODC report. In the case of Afghanistan, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime estimates that a mere 2.7 billion accrues as revenue within Afghanistan. According to the US State department “Afghanistan drug profits support the Taliban and their terrorism efforts against the United States, its allies and the Afghan government.” (statement, the House Appropriations foreign operations, export financing and related programs subcommittee. September 12, 2006)
However, what distinguishes narcotics from legal commodity trade is that narcotics constitutes a major source of wealth formation not only for organized crime but also for the US intelligence apparatus, which increasingly constitutes a powerful actor in the spheres of finance and banking. This relationship has been documented by several studies including the writings of Alfred McCoy. (Drug Fallout: the CIA’s Forty Year Complicity in the Narcotics Trade. The Progressive, 1 August 1997).
In other words, intelligence agencies, powerful business, drug traders and organized crime are competing for the strategic control over the heroin routes. A large share of this multi-billion dollar revenues of narcotics are deposited in the Western banking system. Most of the large international banks together with their affiliates in the offshore banking havens launder large amounts of narco-dollars.
This trade can only prosper if the main actors involved in narcotics have “political friends in high places.” Legal and illegal undertakings are increasingly intertwined, the dividing line between “businesspeople” and criminals is blurred. In turn, the relationship among criminals, politicians and members of the intelligence establishment has tainted the structures of the state and the role of its institutions including the Military.
Kuba, I’ve read through many posts regarding Metzger on the libertypost.org and was wondering – are you Idol Hanz?
Methinks thou doth protest waaaaay too much.
DM, I’d say that Kuba and Idol Hanz are definitely the same guy. This is Kuba’s post here at Wizbang:
…and here’s Idol Hanz’s post at libertypost:
Same guy who loves that copy and paste – must think he’s wittier than he really is.
As to Kurt’s comment: I’ve been lurking on and off and have seen a lot of Deb G’s rants on this board, but none of them – NONE – matched her meltdown over having her real name posted. Talk about pure entertainment!
Kurt: Taking out the trash was no in reference to a name being put on this site. It was in reference to the Metzger situation. Ah, I did not remove the names. Privacy policy states names are not to be posted on here. Whether it is real or not, it is a full name so, thus, was deleted.
Lurker: Ah, I don’t recall a meltdown, at any time. Again, not my real name, but you can keep believing that in your own head. Again, just shows ignorance…
I just see a few ignorant people here with nothing better to do than comment about commenters with a continuation of Deb G. fascination. Pathetic really……now, what is pure entertainment is a few of you who think you know me, think that is my real name, but don’t have a clue…… 🙂 sorry, but the real meltdown here is you folks obsessed with this constant bashing…..psychological meltdown LOL
Kuba: Met with drug dealers? Now, there is a new theory…..
Kurt and Lurker: Do you two have anything better to do than try to put down other folks on here? calling them names, lying, etc…???? Obviously not very good team players are you? Who cares who anyone on here is, who cares what Kuba posts or what I post. I am starting to think you are obsessed with defending Metzger or is it just that you can’t play with others?? Again, this comment area/blog section/ post, etc…should provoke no ill feelings towards another on here as it is NOT directed toward you – just mere speculation of a media situation. Not a big deal really so get over who someone is, what someone does and what they post……
Let’s try this: I’m a new anchor from FOX news, writing a story about Metzger, gathering info. I also had a bomb in my pocket, read a note, fell into a trance, was abducted and then escaped. Do you believe that? If you do or don’t WHO CARES…..you folks are letting this area bother you WAY TOO MUCH…..
I have many theories about Jill Metzger and this is why I come here. I theorize, politicize, socialize, and try to do a psuedo qualitative approach to: “What happened to Jill Metzger?”
The people in here are entertaining, witty, funny and sometimes emotional and angry with each other…but this personal thing with Deb G. really has to stop. I don’t care what Deb has said or done to any of you but unless she has threatened you in some way and you need to take it to the owner of the board and get the authorities involved, I suggest you take the juvenile “I know your name,” threats and bullying to another place, because that is exactly where it belongs.
I don’t know Deb. I don’t know Jill. But I DO KNOW I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF MY WORK DAY! And, it is my business who owns my computer.
Do you really want people threatening to put your name out on a board? Do you want people to find public information about you and spreading it around? Divorce record? Bankruptcy record? Arrest? DUI? Come on people, be mature. Who really cares who the heck Deb is? Is that why you are here? She sticks up for herself and you constantly target her because of it. Knock it off. Deb, don’t let them bully you into going away.
Julie: Thanks for covering my back. I’m not going anywhere because I enjoy the updates on Metzger, unfortunately, reading through the Deb speculations and “I know who you are” games is in the way of some of the reading. I feel like you, the only entertaining part is the people who keep posting about me or to me, ludicrous really.
I remain totally calm, no meltdowns or whatever. These folks are making fools of themselves and they don’t even see it…..completely immature. Little bullys on the playground.
Well, you see, Julie…way back in the day (before your time), Deb claimed that she knew a commenter’s IP address and full name and threatened (twice) to disclose both here on this website. Then last week, when her name was revealed after numerous insults to all and sundry, she threatened (once again) that she had the commenter’s name and IP address and that they “should expect a couple of visitors soon”. WTF is that? Anyone smarter than Deb would know that’s a lie, but there are some real morons on this board who might’ve taken her seriously! So, I ask you, how come it is OK with you for Deb to bully and threaten with impunity?
The point is: Deb can’t go around threatening people and not expect a little push-back. She started something she had no clue about. In her case, ignorance is not bliss.
The threats to “expose” Deb G. are getting a little creepy. The option of anonimity is an important factor in encouraging open discussion. We don’t really know who we’re talking to on this board or who may be reading it. Certainly those who would like to bring personal details to light would not want their own personal information shared with us all by someone with ill intent. The anonimity ensures that no one can be persecuted in “real life” for what they say here. No matter how much someone enjoys analyzing what Deb G. (or anyone) says, destroying her privacy is going too far.
The next person who threatens to out another commenter, or starts speculating about someone’s “real name,” or identity is going to be banned. That goes for Kurt, Deb G., and everyone else.
If you volunteer that kind of information, that’s another story, but I’m tired of cleaning up this shit. Play nice or I’ll just shut it all down…
I had read about the IP address discussion. I can’t comment on it at this time as I would have to go back and read it. I would have to say that it would probably have been not the best move on her part either…
Regardless of Deb’s previous posts you guys just keep it up. What is wrong with this picture? What will cause you to relent? When she finally gives up and walks away from the board? Do you just enjoy her responses? YOU provoked her this time. And people keep provoking her. You can’t let it go. Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes people just need to move on.
Can people stay on topic…oh yeah, the topic is not Deb; it is Jill.
Sure, Kevin, whatever you say. You’re the boss. You can pull the plug whenever you want. Might be a good idea!
But, for the record, Deb did choose to reveal her own identity, it’s only later after bad-mouthing others who didn’t agree with her, that she regretted her stupidity.
Remember, she’s posted all sorts of inane personal and family information here for everyone’s boredom. She went so far as to post her Match.com info here for everyone, including directions on how to find her profile online. And she’s tried to hook up privately with various military men on this board.
Those aren’t exactly the actions of someone who doesn’t want the attention.
Oh, and Julie? “Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes people just need to move on.” Everyone except Jill Metzger no doubt – she needs to fry! Right?
Kurt: Final – way back when, someone posted they had hoped I would be kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered. I obtained the person who did that utilizing the IP address and computer forensics via our IT forensics/investigative department. However, as this site is truly merely a blog area to share theories, I stopped the process. After reviewing the Privacy Policy here, did not post the name. Now, any police department or government entity has the capability to find someone using an IP address. It is not hard for them. So, if I wanted to follow through on any of this ludicrous name revealing, I could. However,it is senseless and fruitless and means nothing. Seeing how that is not my REAL name, I really don’t care. Just know though, people can be tracked back to IP address and so forth. This blog area should cause noone to reveal names or what not. Kurt, you sure hold a grudge, that was A LONG time ago and not something to bring up now…..let it go. There are other things to do than worry about anyone in here.