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Airforce Major Jill Metzger, stationed at Manas Air Base, was shopping in a Kyrgyzstan mall with friends when she disappeared.
From CNN:
(CNN) — A U.S. Air Force officer is missing after a trip to a shopping mall in Kyrgyzstan, a U.S. military statement said Wednesday.
Maj. Jill Metzger, with the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was last seen shopping at the Zum Shopping Center with others from the Manas Air Base when she disappeared on Tuesday, the statement said.
“Major Metzger was last seen wearing a green sweater and blue jeans,” the statement said.
“She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She is in excellent athletic condition.”
Military Web sites describe Metzger as a top-flight marathoner.
Both the Kyrgyz police and the US military are searching for her:
BISHKEK, September 6, 2006 (RFE/RL) — Kyrgyzstan’s Interior Ministry and National Security Service say they have launched a joint operation to locate the U.S. air servicewoman who disappeared on September 5 in Bishkek.
The woman, who has been identified as Major Jill Metzger, is working at the U.S. Manas military air base, near Bishkek.
Manas air base public affairs officer Ann Carpenter told RFE/RL’s Kyrgyz Service that Metzger disappeared while shopping at Bishkek’s main department store (TsUM) with other U.S. base members.
“The [U.S.] 376th Air Expeditionary Wing base officials are working with the U.S. Embassy and local officials to locate the servicemember as soon as possible,” Carpenter added.
The U.S. Embassy in Bishkek has issued pictures of a blonde woman as part of the search operation.
Let’s hope she’s found quickly.
Update: Maj. Metzger was supposed to return home on Thursday and went to the mall to buy souvenirs for her family.
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Man, I just got pretty sanctimonious, and for that I apologize to everyone. There was just something about Wiz’s “Nyah Nyah” tone and multiple exclamation points that set me off, I guess. Shouldn’t have reacted that way. Still, I don’t apologize for what I said, just how I said it.
Cambrose:
If you have been accused of something you did not do then YOU should be all the MORE angry with Jill Metzger who is by all reasonable doubt pointing the finger at citizens of a foreign country of abducting her just to get out of her own personal problems. We are speaking up on this blog before it is made public based upon the facts that are strongly leaning towards her false statements. Per your posting where “all this is based on foreign investigations”, have we really become so arrogant in America to assume that foreign countries do not do proper investigations? Or that they are all out to get big, bad America? It is that mentality that made Maj Metzger think she was untouchable. As a tax payer I will not stay silent when all the evidence is against JM and she is trying to blame people of a crime. You of all people should be angry for that. This girl has obviously been hiding her secret lifestyle for a long time. Too bad it takes this for people to finally come forward and get this manly-girl removed. I don’t know this officer but I can tell you if I did I wouldnt be posting about what a kind person she is or how fast she runs.
Here is my theory: In the closet lesbian, can’t take the stress anymore. Glad I stumbled on this blog, seems JM has been leaving a trail of scandal behind her for some time and this is the grand finale.
————–Cambrose————–
I’m sorry…
You aren’t in the military, are you? Have you ever been in the military?
Let me clue you in to a couple things about the military. One of the things I have learned is that the person next to you, could someday be responsible for saving, or giving your life.
I knew a guy, Louis Rocco.. He died not too long ago. I was stationed with him in Germany. He was a Medic at that time.. Eventually, he went on to become a PA (Physician Asst).
He ended up going to Viet Nam. While there he was assigned to a MedEvac unit. There was a call one day for a MedEvac and he happened to be one of the Medics who went out to get some guys. The Chopper was shot down.. there were crew and casualties in the chopper. Rocco was wounded and injured. He crawled, back and forth between the chopper and a place where he was able to get some people to safety. He did this numerous times. You can read the story here:
http://history.amedd.army.mil/moh/roccol.htm
Now go read his story – don’t just skim through it ,digest it.. .When you think that you understand what all that means, then come back here and perhaps we can continue this discussion. But, until that concept is embedded into your very soul, you will never be able to understand what all this is about.
So, my sincere apologies for the flippant response in my previous post. But, to be quite frank with you, and everyone else on this forum, I have two sons who are out there “protecting your right to be here”, by putting their lives on the line. THAT… is why this is so important to me. SHE happens to represent that entire system!!
Oh yes, wonderful, we have finally gotten to the “closet lesbo” theory. Let’s recap the theories thus far:
–affair with co-worker
–affair with local
–affair with off-base American
–affair with Russian pilot
–went to get an abortion
–mental illness, “needs help”
–in-the-closet lesbo who cracks (STS) under the pressure
–ran away to escape sweet but controlling mother
–went AWOL to say goodbye to friends in the area
–masterminded the whole thing just to get attention, a la “stolen white woman syndrome”
–actually WAS kidnapped from department store
a. brideknapped
b. regular kidnapped, but escaped heroically before ransom could be issued
–went AWOL for unknown reason and THEN was kidnapped
–secret operative for the US government to tarnish the reputation of Krzgystan
–alien abduction
–fell in pothole and couldn’t get out
Have we missed any other possibilities?
Shall we place bets?
To VR
WELL SAID!!!!!
————–VR————
It’s sad that we will never “know” what took place on that sunny afternoon in the city of Bishkek in Central Asia. I suppose that my only regret is that she will come away as a ‘hero’, if her abduction story sticks.
There’s a flight out to Andrews from Ramstein tomorrow… My bet is she’ll be on it.
Well, don’t know about the bets… But the rest of the people at Ganci will be rotating back pretty soon.. they’re normally there for similar lengths of time as the Illustrious Maj Jill.
Knowing people in the Personnel Pie in the Sky over at Randolph might come in handy
Wiz,
I read the story on Rocco – that is bravery, courage and heroism to the tee. I will also pray for your two sons. My father was in Vietnam and died of Agent Orange related illnesses in 1996. Although never wanting to talk about it, one night, he relayed some heroic stories of men he was with – amazing stuff.
VR: I was actually snickering here at work reading some of those theories. How about she just wanted to take a practice run around the area for her upcoming marathon (which she is, in fact running) and did not make it back in time?
I have to say: Normally, as when those soldiers were found mutilated and people beheaded, kidnapped, etc…the news flashes a significant amount of information on the location of the incidents, even pictures, sometimes graphic and so on – WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING on this – that alone, in my opinion, speaks volumes for the situation not being “right”. Same with the runaway bride. Remember when they were looking for her, found her in TX (I believe TX) and then complete SILENCE for a few days and the real truth finally came out?????
Hi there. Yesterday some interesting news was broadcasted on Kyrgyz National Television about Jill Metzger being pregnant and undergoing an abortion surgery, as cited one of our papers:
“Вчера передали по телевидению что данная гражданка была беременна и ей сделали аборт.Военнослужащим армии США (женщинам) запрещено рожать и иметь детей во время несения службы,поэтому сделали столь таинственное исчезновение.Врач Ысык Атинской районной больницы подтвердил что Джил Метцгер действительно обратилась и ей сделали данную операцию.”
English Translation from Russian original:
Yesterday, there was a news on Kyrgyz television, that Ms. Jill Metzger has indeed been pregnant.
US militaries are not allowed to be pregnant during the service (I think this one is long stretched, what the TV wanted really to say, probably, was “Watch out Jill, hubby is going to find out!!!” But some truth gets twisted, to look more politically correct.)
She underwent an abortion surgery in Issyk Ata district clinic (Kant, where Jill was found, Kant belongs to Issyk Ata district or county, whatever you like), and the doctor from clinic, who performed surgery, confirmed the information on television.
PS:
I undersootd, from testaments of taxidriver, that Jill did a stopover near Special Surgical Clinic in Bishkek on the junction of Togolok-Moldo and Kievskaya streets. They have, by the way, English speaking medical staff, and medical facilities are relatively reasonable.
But why on the earth she went to Kant to make an abortion, to that below-any-standards rural clinic? How she could explain that she needed an abortion? No one speeaks English probably there. Or did she hire a translator? Why she was so desperate?
Why she did not do that in Special Surgical Clinic in Bishkek? The only reasonable explanation pops up in mind: that particular place is packed with foreigners, ex-pats, so on. Maybe she was afraid to get recognized.
Why she ruined her life and career in such a silly way? I dunno.
My guess is that Jill’s true story will be kept quiet in the Western media from now on. It affects sensitive political and military matters.
Kuba Kyrgyz
Epilogue:
If kidnapping of Jill Metzger in Kyrgyzstan happened for real, US State Dept would demand an thorough investigation from Kyrgyz Govt people, would demand explanations from Kyrgyz ambassador in Washington, exchange official notes, as usually happens. Nothing of this kind has happened this time.
That alone speaks volumes. Mouths will be sealed.
Media will give plebs “politically correct” version of what happened.
Actually, personally I feel sorry for Jill. Her marriage has, probably, already been ruined. I do not think that her husband is that gullible.
Her military career ended. She will certainly sign non-disclosure kind of papers. And will retire from military.
Just 10 days before deploying to Kyrgyzstan in April, Metzger married Air Force Capt. Josh Mayo. They had already bought tickets for a honeymoon in Jamaica later this month, he said.
“We were going to take Jet Skis out, have a couple of romantic dinners. It is very disappointing,” said Mayo
Trying to read between the lines. I’d guess that Air Force Capt. Josh Mayo is no fool. And giving here subliminal message.
Kuba-I’m convinced that if this is true, (that she invented all this to have an abortion) it will come out in the open in the press. With all the stories in the last couple of years of women pretending to be kidnapped, THIS one tops ’em all. With so many places in the world being on the brink of and in war, Metzger would be so brazen as to add Kyrgyzstan into the mix, is beyond anyone’s imagination. What a criminal act!! The military should give a harsh and swift punishment. Sorry to anyone out there who is offended, but this really could have (and still might) had horrible consequences on the diplomatic front and that is not pardonable.
I agree with Pica, the story will come out because it is so sensational. And if the doc in the abortion clinic over there is talking, our reporters will be there sucking it all in. Interesting news from our Man on the Scene that there isn’t the confidentiality for medical procedures in Kyrgzystan that we have here in the US. You wouldn’t catch a doctor confirming an abortion on TV here. Lawyers would ensue.
Medically, it is very easy to establish that a woman has had a recent abortion or at least a miscarriage. Her pregnancy tests would still show as positive for a week or so after the abortion, and a gynecologic exam would strongly suggest it. I’m wondering if it went through her head that someone might question her vaginal bleeding when she returned to the base, so she thought she could cover it by saying she’d been sexually assaulted, which, of course, let’s see, would have occurred if she’d been, um… kidnapped, and, yeah, that’s the ticket! Kidnapped! When I was in the store! (But Jill,you’re see on camera walking out on your own and getting into a cab!! — Well, it was strange, someone slipped a credit-card-sized bomb in my pocket and it was like I was in a trance…)
Again, viewing the interview with her parents, I think they KNEW this information about the pregnancy. Yes, her Mom looks terribly SAD, but not the kind of frantic sad you’d expect of a Mom who thinks her daughter is in danger, the kind of sick-disappointed-sad. Her Dad just wants her to know that she should just come home to all of her favorite things.
If the abortion thing is true, and it sounds to me like it might be, then it is a very sad situation for Jill and her family, particularly her duped new husband. But it DOES NOT excuse her conduct. She should be punished to the fullest extent, certainly should lose her AF career and all benefits. She won’t be able to “retire”, not enough years in, and she’ll get a Dishonorable Discharge. I think she also deserves some time in the slammer.
She could have hidden the whole abortion and just received an LOR for being AWOL if she had just come up with a more reasonable story. “Well, I went sightseeing and I got lost”. “I went to visit my friends, got drunk, and the next thing I knew 3 days had gone by.” But to concoct this monster of a story— unfathomable. Throw the book at her.
…and I think she went to Kant for the abortion because that’s where her Russian pilot is stationed, he knows a doctor in town, and she figured she could do it more quietly there.
I think it is interesting that none of the official Air Force news on Jill Metzger (www.af.mil) mention anything about an abduction, only the claim of abduction. If the military believed there was an abduction, it would be of intense focus with so many military personnel in the area. Instead, they focus on the fact that she has been found and is safe…but NO mention of a search for abductors or hightened military stance in the area. Military public affairs can’t write what is not true, and I believe they know the major was not abducted but left on her own volition. People do strange things under pressure and I believe she was under some sort of personal pressure. Unfortunately, her career is over.
I have known Jill for 9 years. She an I had been communicating while she was deployed to Manas AB.
This “abortion story” is absolutely ludicrous! The Kyrgyzstan press is worse than the U.S.’ National Inquirier!
God Bless Jill and her family.
John
Well, I think we’ll see whether the abortion story is ludicrous. It sure makes a lot more sense than the ludicrous kidnapping-trance-bomb-shaved head story.
JP –
Others on this blog have posted their knowledge of Jill and from their stories an abortion seems right within her character! Their posts were regarded as “irrelevant”, so why should we listen to your post? What would you think she would write to you that would confirm the story, anyway? “Hiya John, Things are okay over here. I can’t wait to get back to my loving husband! I keep daydreaming about jet-skis and romantic dinners! There is just one thing I have to do before the reunion. I got myself a little problem and I need to get an abortion. I plan to go shopping and then sneak out to go to a clinic in Kant. I have everything planned. Anyhoo…hope your family is doing well. Cheers, Jill”
Sorry but it seems you have been duped by your long time friend. You are just another person on her list of appologies.
Save your blessings for people that need them.
———VR—————
Is that you??? I should have taken bets.. If this holds, my theory would have been a winner!!!
———AF—————
I checked Stars and Stripes Europe site this morning and it stated that she was abducted.
She should be landing soon at Andrews if she hasn’t already. My bet is the AF will charge her soon so that she doesn’t run the marathon or go on her honeymoon. They won’t want to take the risk of embarrassment if she runs the marathon and THEN the story is leaked, not to mention the risk of her fleeing in Jamaica. Who thinks the honeymoon is off?
Another note – yesterday the af.mil site had her story all over the page. Today nothing. You have to dig to get her story to come up, and when it does it is an article from two days ago.
Department of Absolute Truth
666 Demons Road
Suite 666
Washington, DC, 10001-666
Mr. John “JP” Fiske
000 Gullible Way
Anytown, USA
Dear Mr. Fiske:
Your post regarding Major Jill Metzger has been read and acknowledged by the purveyor of Absolute Truth, and has been found to be a true example of compliance with the principles of our great Republic.
Unfortunately, as in all matters of national security, there will be a limited number of non-compliant citizens involved in dissent. Do not let that sway you and your fervent adherance to the Prime Principle – “Truth is What We Say It Is”.
Major Jill Metzger, is coming home a hero. Her long and glorious career will remain unblemished. Unfortunately, due to “family pressure” and some long awaited and needed rest, Major Jill Metzger will be retiring to be able to spend more time with her newly established family. We will miss her and all the contributions she could have provided to the ‘Cause”.
In the words of the famous Bartles & James: “We Thank You for Your Support”
Your “Guardian of Truth” Award is in the mail and should arrive shortly. If displayed on your winshield it will entitle you to a free order of fries at any participating McDonalds or BurgerKing..
Sincerely,
I. B. King
CEO, Dept of Absolute Truth
ps… Ignore any further announcements in the media regarding DNA Testing on the fetus. We all know that third world countries can’t be trusted anyway.
Deb G and your multiple personalities. Give it up. Stop slandering this person. You claim to have prayed for this girl. But I see no evidence of God in any of what has gone on here. But I bet that the Ladies Prayer Group or Optimist Club that you B-B-que with have lots of gossip. Maybe they are like most christians that I have known and revel in other people’s misfortune. But perhaps you have a motive: “Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.” Why spend so much time on this blog. People like myself came here looking for information about Jill Metzger that might help. But what I found was a bunch of resentful people, or perhaps only one with a case of clinical schizophrenia. You and yours claim she is crazy, but what about your efforts and the motive behind your blogging. You have clearly corrupted this site and transformed it into one in which he who says it the most and loudest wins. That does not sound like a free exchange of ideas to me. Or perhaps we should look at your own life, since you find that of Major Metzger so fascinating. But I will refrain from doing so. We all know that when skeletons come out of the closet, that there is often a scarecrow lurking there as well. Woman Scorned!
So I ask you again, consider what you do know.
I have seen a baby pigeon. I had one in a hanging basket outside my house earlier this month. Your metaphor is clearly a fallacy. You must deduce logically the premises in order to come to a valid conclusion. Here you have no premises. You know nothing for certain. All you have is a conclusion that you, for some reason or another, are bent on preaching to the world. This is a “begging the question” fallacy. Your methods are corrupt, unethical, and faulty. Perhaps you are right. But when you start attacking the person and their family, you error on the side of wrong. All we can do is wait. Wait and let Jill Metzger defend herself. In the meantime, go and study a pigeon. Learn about the birth of that pigeon, its trials and tribulations, and its journey to adult hood. Then you can tell me that you know pigeon. Woman scorned, if you still insist on taking this route, we can handle it the old way. Let’s step outside.
FOLLOWING THE ASSUMED ABORTION THEORY
Here’s what Jill probably had to go through to get an abortion, if that is in fact what she did, and it may explain why she made a pitstop at the bigger clinic near her base before making her way to the small abortion clinic near the Russian base. I can’t speak definitively for medical procedures over there, of course, but I doubt they’re much different from here.
1. She probably did a home pregnancy test which was positive. You can buy those at the BX on her base.
2. She would have had to get a confirmatory ultrasound to verify dates of the fetus. Abortions are much more dangerous the longer you wait, and they probably have some kind of cut-off fetal age there just as we do. This may be what she did at the bigger hospital.
3. The abortion took place. She probably figured she’d be in and out the same afternoon and back at her base by nightfall.
Now there are potential complications. If the story is right as we’re piecing it together, she may have had a problem that kept her at the clinic for longer than she’d planned.
1. The most common complication is infection, but these don’t set in for a few days so wouldn’t be a reason for her to have to stay at the clinic.
2. The next most common complication is bleeding. Sometimes after the products of conception are scraped out the uterus bleeds like crazy. Sometimes it bleeds because not all of the products were removed, and they have to go in and scrape again. The blood loss can be SCARY bad and would definitely be a reason they’d keep someone after the procedure.
3. Sometimes the uterus is perforated accidentally during the procedure. The uterine wall can be quite thin in places and the scraping utensils just poke right through. This puts the woman at great risk for infection and bleeding, and if the doctor realizes this has happened he/she will keep the patient for observation and antibiotics.
So perhaps we’ll hear that in her anguished and stressed-out state, those mean doctors in Kant forced her to stay against her will, and it FELT like an abduction, but she wasn’t thinking clearly so she should be forgiven, and that hair thing, well, you see there were these three men and a woman in a minivan, and….
———Flytrap
Unless you are ‘raising’ pigeons, you have fallen into your own namesake.
Pigeons don’t leave the nest until fully feathered. The parents build the nest where no one can get to them. Hence, no one (normally) has seen a ‘baby’ pigeon.
My point is this: Just because there is evidence lacking which would remove ALL doubt regarding the existence of something/someone, does not qualify a statement to be false. In this case – Baby pigeons.. since they aren’t a part of everyday life – they don’t exist. Which is, of course, a false statement. But – PROVE THAT – to someone who has to SEE TO BELIEVE, and you are out of luck.
You, like John “JB” Fiske, fail to realize that other possibilities exist. My arguement from the beginning has been that the story, as portrayed initially by the “official” US sources, and later by Major Jill Metzger herself, is just not CREDIBLE. It’s just to far-fetched to make any sense to a rational person. Like the arguement about the baby pidgeon… They HAVE TO exist. Anyone contending that they don’t has got to be playing with an incomplete deck.
So, Mr/Ms Flytrap, I can arrange for you to receive a letter from the Purveyor of Absolute Truth, if that, in fact is what you are looking for. Because it seems that despite the LOGICAL evidence you continue to make an arguement that just doesn’t hold water.
So, ONE letter coming up!!
Would you like fries with that? Or do you prefer a free pass to the Looney Tunes?
Let me ask you a question:
What comes to your mind when I mention the name “Albert Einstein”.. Genius, Jewish, Peace Activist, Physics, Relativity, Atom Bomb, Womanizer, and a person who practiced Incest. Right?…… Right!!!
You see, most people don’t know that good ol’ Einstein was a womanizer, that he divorced his wife because he couldn’t put up with her ‘depression’, and that he married his cousin.
So, Jill Metzger, may have some good qualities, but in this particular situation, she has been proclaimed innocent…. because no one has come forward with damning ‘evidence’. Well, I’m beginning to believe that you, and others like yourself and ol’ John ‘JB’ Fiske above, would not believe her culpability – even if she proclaimed it herself. It would force you to accept something that your mind is not ready to accept… and you know what happens to people like that?? They go insane FlyTrap.. insane.
So… ta, ta.. Your letter is in the mail.
Flytrap: LMAO! I laughed so hard reading your post. Have been off all day, because yes, I do have a life besides coming onto this blog. Did not think I would be reading another blog to me – so be it, I’m popular! Thank You! Woman scorned? hahahahahahah I have been divorced for some time now. Only married 12 months is hardly a marriage. Let’s see, I was smart enough to find out soon enough. Long over, great life, beautiful home, own a few racehorses, great family, blah blah blah,,,,,,,and oh yes, I truly don’t have skeletons – wait, I stole a jelly bean in a grocery store once, I thought I was trying the flavor, but my mother was pretty upset at me for taking the jelly bean! and ya better re-read my posts because I am certain I never put down her family, or her for that matter. Just posting like the rest here. Multiple personality? hahahahah having fun on a blog – sorry dear, most of my cohorts at my house that day (bbq) were military personnel honoring a fallen friend from Iraq, yes, we were having some fun on this site from stupid posts – such as yours.
Baby pigeon? hmmmmm, Wiz brought that one up and I find him very funny and intelligent and smart – unlike yourself who keeps slamming someone named Deb G. for opinions posted like everyone else does – you are not bothering me, making me laugh actually – I feel badly that you are so angry and this site rattles your chain…..and yes, I have seen a baby pigeon – helped one fly in a barn behind my house when I was about 10 yo. Don’t know why I have never seen one since….
Sorry Flytrap, but I will keep praying for Jill and her family because that is what she needs, especially given the fact she most likely made up her abduction, she needs mental help and oh yes, I do, in fact, find her stories pathetic and inconsistent, like the rest of the world does…..Multiple personality? hahahahah do you know the highest military officials and intel and FBI and CIA and DIA and so on use multiple personality techniques to gather information to save your ass from terrorism????? Go send emails to them and posts about it…..and when they dig into a personal life, including past affairs and so on to protect your very freedom, try telling them to go to, wait, what was it you said? oh yes,,,,a ladies prayer grup or optimist club or whatever…..you’re pathetic – and who is scorned?????
Flytrap: Oh yes, you said step outside? I think that might have been some sort of threat – pray (there is that word you don’t like again) you have had some combative training, or knife training or know how to handle a pistol or better yet MP5 or better yet the discipline to know you don’t threat a fellow human being and you never use combative unless you truly feel threatened – grow up……
oh, and try some plausible deniability in your life – it might save you one day…..
————VR————
Can I call you ‘doc’?
What Kuba Kyrgyz certainly has one thing right… and I quote:
“But why on the earth she went to Kant to make an abortion, to that below-any-standards rural clinic? How she could explain that she needed an abortion? No one speeaks English probably there. Or did she hire a translator? Why she was so desperate?”
I’ve been to some of these clinics for personal treatment. Talk about back country practices!!! Had blood drawn by a lady using like a 10gauge needle.. No precautions (gloves etc).. I had to buy my own syringe… whoa!! scary stuff… That took place in the city at a hospital.. Outlying clinics.. Watch Out!!! I was not at all impressed with the standards. However, there are some pretty upscale clinics there.
Your professional assessment is good to have with respect to the protocol on this abortion theory. Certainly helps me understand more about it and also helps me put it together in rational terms.
In my opinion, that would be exactly where she would go, if, in fact, this abortion theory is true. She would want to go to a hole in the wall clinic so not to be recognized or known. Her very career is at stake if she were pregnant, nevermind married and pregnant.
DebG:….
Ahhhh… you shouldn’t ah’…. thanks for the kind words.
Wizbang Poster,
I was refering to actual military public affairs writers such as on http://www.af.mil. Stars and Stripes is a commercial press outlet and does not have knowledge of what AF commanders already know and have shared with the public affairs officers. Isn’t it interesting that the article you refer to is titled “Major who went missing…” Did she go missing or was she kidnapped? You have to look deeper into what the media is saying by looking at the words they choose and what they are not saying.
Wizbang: LOL. I want you as my wingman, in my foxhole, and a co-pilot! I knew that would hit the very core of your inner sensitivity….
I’m a scorned woman so BEWARE….(shrug and shake) I get a kick out of that one. I nearly forgot I was ever married, divorced a man who DID NOT want a divorce so how does that make one scorned? Ok, new blog “Where are all the scorned women” Frankly, nowadays, I don’t think many scorned woman exist any longer, they have too many other options, excellent careers of their own and TOO MUCH FUN!
The abortion theory sounds excellent. I agree with the above post about abortions. Normally, women go in and in a few hours are free to leave with little or no medication. However, complications can occur which can be life threatening and given Jill’s small athletic frame, she might have been bleeding heavily and perforated, thus, she had to stay. A high temp can set in as well within hours….someone over there knows where she was….I doubt she slept in the street for those days she was missing….and someone brought her dye for her hair….
good grief, when will this end???? We shall find out soon enough….
———-Deb G—————–
“Wizbang: LOL. I want you as my wingman, in my foxhole, and a co-pilot! I knew that would hit the very core of your inner sensitivity….”
Well, sweetness… if you insist on laughing your way through any situation.. I”m the man.. Cuz when you’re laughing, there’s no time for crying, fearing, or cut and run.. Just kick butt, and keep going..
By the way… you’re going down the runway, thrust is picking up… what happens if you don’t pull that stick back???
Flytrap,
In response to your invitation to Deb G to“step outside” I conclude you share similar virtues (or lack thereof) as your friend Jill. Perhaps you should try practicing the virtue of humility to avoid falling victim to the opposing virtue, pride. We would not be “begging the question” on this blog had your friend Jill exercised the virtue of chastity a bit more, but she did not. She did not know how to exercise her virtue of chastity because she had never in her life used it. She married two weeks prior to deploying and found herself struggling in the marathon of cardinal virtues and she LOST to lust.
“Fascinated” with Major Metzger’s life; for my part it is more like not willing to look the other way when atrocious claims of abduction and bombs are used to cover ones own selfish mistakes. Personally, I am astounded that she has not learned from her past and is continuing to sacrifice the livelihood of anyone who might get in the way of her goals. Was her goal in this case an abortion? I do not know and I do not care, I could not possibly fathom Jill’s mentality, nor do I want to try. The cause of her transgression is not my concern; it is the consequences of her actions which concern me. The hypocrisy of Major Metzger administering disciplinary action to troops under her command for offenses which she herself is guilty astounds me. The conditions in which Major Metzger has left for the next rotation of Air Force troops to Kyrgyzstan and troops deployed all over the world is what angers people like Wizbang Poster who has children serving. I could go on and on about why this epic which Major Metzger has created fascinates us and drives us to this blog, but resentment is not on the list.
Wizbang: If I don’t pull that stick back – we are going to go very fast, very straight and laugh like silly as we crash into whatever stops us first! Might hit some baby pigeons along the way! Hope they laugh too! However, we are going to kick butt along the way until we can’t kick anymore!
Laughing? I have been accused of ALWAYS maintaining a great sense of humor in any given situation – it is what keeps us sane and straight and even focused. To dwell on a terrible situation without finding humor, will leave you, well, most likely dead or in a straight jacket. As the doc said: Humor is the best medicine….
Borat is the father: I’m with you, and thanks for the “back up”. I find it informative to come onto this post for many reasons, not just out of curiosity of Jill Metzger’s disappearance, but also, to learn of how another country might be handling this, how the military is handling this, how others feel about these posts, curiosity, learning experience. I also enjoy the military comradiere at any time in my life.
I am sure Wiz is both proud of his two sons serving our country yet a part remains cautious on a daily basis of the what ifs. He has reasons to be here beyond our comprehension – finding any information regarding a foreign country possibly kidnapping one of our military, which could have been his own sons is on the list, if a military officer falsely claims of an abduction, it effects any family member, spouse, friend ANYONE with someone deployed with the thoughts that kidnappings might be next on the list for military personnel. It would NOT be something to claim falsely for significant reasons…..
If this were not a false claim, I feel strongly that the media, someone would be talking of THE TRUE STORY by now…..as usual if the story is true…..
While on this board and saying similar things to everyone posting here, I have been wished I were raped, abducted, tortured, even murdered, accused of being scorned (funny one), multiple personalities, etc….and those who are saying these things claim to do this because Jill is innocent until proven guilty, etc…yet you folks who try to maintain someone’s character are intent on trying to put someone’s elses down and wishing harm done, how twisted is that???? Perhaps you folks are the ones who need to re-evaluate your own characters, skeletons, flaws and mental capabilities and realize this is a blog to express theories on what really happened to Jill….and baby pigeons and yes, stuff like that…
Wiz: I hope you don’t mind my soapbox style of mentioning your name…..
I have MANY dear friends deployed right now, many of them women. Four of my best friends are in Iraq right now. I maintain contact with them via email and even some phone calls. When this story hit, yes, I was concerned that military kidnappings might be next on a terrorist list somewhere of “hmmmm, what shall we do next for un against Americans”……If Jill’s story is indeed false, a strict punishment should follow….
Borat,
“I do not know and I do not care, I could not possibly fathom Jill’s mentality, nor do I want to try.”
You seem to be trying QUITE hard. Otherwise you wouldn’t be on this board. If you cannot fathom Jill’s mentality then perhaps you should avoid away from speculating about what happened in Kyrgyzstan. Because all of these theories are speculation. You have no evidence that the story is untrue. All you have are the incessant rantings of Deb G and other sick minds who would prefer to think of Jill as a deviant, assuming that she couldn’t possibly have been kidnapped, crucifying her now in her time of suffering for things allegedly done four years ago.
The amount of mental illness on this board is astounding. I urge you Borat, Deb G, and all of the other sick theorists out there, to seek counseling as soon as possible. The world must be a very ugly place to you. It didn’t take long for you to start judging Jill Metzger and turning her into the worst person possible. Not long to believe in the words of foreign police instead of having faith in one who serves her country in the military. Even if the story that Jill has told is not true, and you have NO hard evidence that it’s not, do you really think that anyone is benefiting from your negativity? Isn’t the world bad enough without you adding to it? I can only imagine that if you are this way on a blog, you are this way in life.
I guess she is not back in the states yet.
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=40022
She says that she ios trying to heal herself mentally……GO FIGURE 🙂
“Right now I’m trying to focus on healing myself mentally and physically,” said Metzger in a U.S. Air Forces in Europe news release. “I’m healthy and recovering, and looking very forward to heading back to the states to see my family. I appreciate everyone’s understanding in respecting my privacy while I rest and try to get through this.”
DM: There is medication for your anger, try to find some. Calling all of us sick minds for attempting to seek answers to a possible military falsity is something that the military is trying to do, the FBI is trying to do, the CIA is trying to do, the DIA is trying to do, Kryg is trying to do, the United States is trying to do, you are obviously trying to do because you are on here….ah geesh, the list goes on – DOES THAT MAKE ALL OF US AND ALL OF THEM MENTALLY ILL? You are a small mind in a small blog who has no idea what you are remotely talking about….I have to say, where is YOUR morality for defending a human being who is obviously most likely, quite possibly, heck literally most likely possibly and perhaps LYING to everyone….yet you defending this possibly lack of moral character is well, alarming – go find a baby pigeon…..strange how people come on here to voice opinions and then get preached to about those opinions. Everyone is this world has opinions DM so go yack at them all and I’ll send you a postcard to the mental hospital you are in…..lighten up and see this board for what it was set up for – Where is Jill Metzger? Exactly, for folks to wonder, assume, predict, think about, offer opinions to and so on regarding this very topic…..
DM: I ask a question of you?? What do YOU think happened to Jill Metzger?? Answer that…..
RS: LOL! How much do you want to bet our favorite officer will be claiming post traumatic stress disorder as an excuse to her whopper in the pocket?
Borat: yup, I bet she will eventually have to ‘fess up to the concocted story, but she’ll blame it on “stress” and a “botched medical procedure”(unspecified, please respect my privacy) and weird Kryzg drugs. She’s already angling for our sympathy with her statement, and she’ll likely get it from a number of people who can’t bear to think that a little cute blonde-haired, blue-eyed AF Major could do anything wrong.
VR: Well said.
OK.. ——–I’m back, anything exciting happen???
Oh… No polls??? I’ll do one right now…
Everybody who thinks she (Major Jill Metzger) is guilty say … Aye!
Opposed?….
Just as I thought… Aye’s have it!
Everyone else.. please sit down.. (don’t want to offend anyone)
Wiz: I love that humor! Don’t stop……
Borat: Is this true? a Kazakh man gets a wife by buying a woman from her father for fifteen gallons of insecticide??? Perhaps Borat is the father of Jill’s presumed pregnancy…hmmmmmmmmmmm to ponder….he did, after all, have multiple wives, girlfriends and mistresses, and well, a sister….
Earlier I was so sure the abortion theory was impossible… Being a female officer and having been deployed, I can’t imagine sneaking off to a clinic for an abortion while on a MWR trip. Assuming this is legit because there has no official press release, she must have been desperate to do this. Fear and desperation…
Maybe she was far enough along that her husband would have noticed…she is so fit. But dealing with your husband is one thing…going AWOL in a foreign country intentionally is insane… the bomb report always sounded to me like it was formulated by her to fit what the authorities already knew…what was being reported during her absence.
Do you really think this AWOL was premeditated?
Could she really have thought she’d get back in time?
It just defies logic.
Wonder who was the ex Soviet farm outside Bishkek… boyfriend? Who else could it be?
Intrigued: it DOES defy logic and it does seem incredible that she would leave her group the way she did for WHATEVER business she had planned. It had to be something very desperate and something she felt she had to do before she left for the States in 3 days. The distance between the department store and where it is claimed she had an abortion is not that great, something like 30 miles? Isn’t that what Kuba Kyrgyz told us? If she had an appointment at, say 1pm, she probably figured she’d be done by 3 or 4 and back at the base by 5. But something happened to throw a wrench in her plans: a medical complication? a ride that never showed?
I hope the investigators are leaning hard on the people with whom she went to the department store. I would expect that she told one of them to “cover” for her when she didn’t return and to convince the group to go back to the base. Why else would they have left without her?
Looks really like, that Jill’s had botched up abortion.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4318940
“Our first impression was that the woman was severely drunk …(but) there was no smell of alcohol and we then understood that she was in shock,” Svetlana Ivashenko told The AP.
** The effect of pain-killer drug?
Who had seized her, why and were they had held her all this time, she couldn’t clarify,” Ivashenko said. “As she told all this, she didn’t weep – she just sobbed and held her head.” Ivashenko said there was blood on Metzger’s feet and that she said she had walked a considerable distance.
“there was blood on Metzger’s feet” – as a result of post-surgery bleeding? Looks like she’s had her fair share of suffering at the hands of mean doctors and clearly was in a state of mental and physical anguish. She probably showed them bunch of greenbucks, and those mean, ignorant back country botchers just jumped at opportunity to earn some money.
As a person, knowing local situation in Kyrgyzstan, I’d say that I would never, ever go to any of rural clinics in Kyrgyzstan to have even minor surgery. I’d grab a bunch of cash, dine out and court some reputable doctors in Bishkek and, after verifiyng their credentials (some background checks), would offer them some “financial incentive” just to feel confident that doctor is pleased and will do his/her job alright.
Why she did not make an appointment with doctor from clinic in Togolok-Moldo Kievskaja? I’m sure that she would’ve been treated alright there.
I see here some systemic failure. Something went wrong. Someone, who was supposed to to help Jill out, did not turn up at the place. Someone, who knows local situation, was supposed to help her. Her boyfriend? Ex-pat? English speaking local?
Plan A failed. Plan B turned sour.
She was quickly whisked away afterwards to Landstuhl hospital in Germany on military transport. I’d guess here, that she was urgently treated in that hospital from the results of surgery gone wrong.
I’m not a Sherlock Holms precisely, and my deductions might be wrong. But all the clues point out about surgery gone wrong.
Kuba: Bingo! Best theory I have heard yet. When her husband was on TV and he sadly stated “they were SUPPOSED to have romantic dinners and so on and then said he was DISAPPOINTED”…..before even knowing where she was…Well, how did he know he was NOT going to have romantic dinners, that she would not be home in time for that vacation and if she were, in fact, kidnapped, he would never had said DISAPPOINTED….that word is not appropriate for a kidnapped wife. Angry, upset, frustrated, yes, but not disappointed…..it is clear her husband already KNEW what truly happened and was obviously calling that vacation off…..
Kuba:
Is there no way to get onto the web the video of the doctor who was on your TV the other day claiming an abortion occurred? I wouldn’t understand the language, but plenty of others will. Does the TV station have a website?
Kuba, your theory is all very nice, of course. Except for one thing. There is no clinic on Togolok Moldo – Kievskaya. The clinic for party bosses that you are reffering to is on a different intersection. Hope that helps with future deductions. 🙂
Bests,
Gogi.