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Airforce Major Jill Metzger, stationed at Manas Air Base, was shopping in a Kyrgyzstan mall with friends when she disappeared.
From CNN:
(CNN) — A U.S. Air Force officer is missing after a trip to a shopping mall in Kyrgyzstan, a U.S. military statement said Wednesday.
Maj. Jill Metzger, with the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was last seen shopping at the Zum Shopping Center with others from the Manas Air Base when she disappeared on Tuesday, the statement said.
“Major Metzger was last seen wearing a green sweater and blue jeans,” the statement said.
“She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She is in excellent athletic condition.”
Military Web sites describe Metzger as a top-flight marathoner.
Both the Kyrgyz police and the US military are searching for her:
BISHKEK, September 6, 2006 (RFE/RL) — Kyrgyzstan’s Interior Ministry and National Security Service say they have launched a joint operation to locate the U.S. air servicewoman who disappeared on September 5 in Bishkek.
The woman, who has been identified as Major Jill Metzger, is working at the U.S. Manas military air base, near Bishkek.
Manas air base public affairs officer Ann Carpenter told RFE/RL’s Kyrgyz Service that Metzger disappeared while shopping at Bishkek’s main department store (TsUM) with other U.S. base members.
“The [U.S.] 376th Air Expeditionary Wing base officials are working with the U.S. Embassy and local officials to locate the servicemember as soon as possible,” Carpenter added.
The U.S. Embassy in Bishkek has issued pictures of a blonde woman as part of the search operation.
Let’s hope she’s found quickly.
Update: Maj. Metzger was supposed to return home on Thursday and went to the mall to buy souvenirs for her family.
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Wizbanger: Excellent! and stating she still wanted to run that marathon upon her return would be a logical statment to hide what she had just done to herself physically. She wanted to “get a good sleep” instead of questioning. People kidnapped or experiencing stressful situations usually DO NOT SLEEP OR CANNOT SLEEP following their experience – sometimes for days, sometimes for months and sometimes for the rest of their lives…….
Waiver: please keep in mind that Jill Metzger was not harmed in the making of this theory, it is just a theory…..an opinion, a freedom of speach type of thing….
Just adding some more insight: I had a tooth procedure done which put me at Womack Hospital with Kidney failure due to poisoning of my systemic system or sepsis. Guy in Germany died just two weeks earlier from similar situation. I lived and COULD NOT GET MY MEDICAL RECORDS for nothing!! and if I did get anything, it was always missing info.
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In the words of Bartle and James…. We appreciate your support…
Abduction… takes planning and coordination. High profile abduction takes LOTS of planning and lots of coordination.
The problems with the Abduction Theory are as follows:
a… The “group” psychology was put there for a reason. ONE.. it would take a mob of people to attack a group of soldiers. THAT is not happening in Bishkek, unless there is some kind of provocation. However, that also isn’t going to happen because the commanders there are tough on conduct when the soldiers/airmen go out. They can visit the prostitutes, but they can’t go on drinking bouts.
b… Staying together makes everyone accountable. They are going to have to behave because everyone is watching everyone else.
c… GETTING Abuducted from a GROUP is close to impossible. People know this and that is why it’s practiced. And this is what she should have known. But instead concocks this incredible story of trance induced cranial void… which is in the grand scope of things “CRAP”
The other thing… and if KubaKyrgyz is still out there he can perhaps verify this for me..
I have been out in the city of Bishkek after dark.. EVEN WITHIN the city it is close to impossible to find your way around, especially if you are not familiar with the surroundings. There are potholes big enough to swallow people (she should have used that one), the streets and residential areas have no lighting (except in high traffic areas)… I have literally had to carry a flashlight to go from one building to another.
Now, she would like for me to believe that she went to a house, IN A VILLAGE, and knocked on the door at midnight!! That my friend is taking your life into your own hands!!
So… no.. the abduction thing is just not there for me WHATSOEVER!
The “Had Friends and wanted to say Bye” theory..
Sorry, but that one bites the big one too.
If I am a career officer and I happen to have friends anywhere, I am not going to risk AWOL for them, unless I get a little too drunk and I end up keeping myself from getting back. Sentimenal stuff just doesn’t enter into the picture. EVEN if they are romantic sentiments.
Furthermore, the ‘friends’ could have met me in town with the rest of the people and we could have spent the afternoon together. Policy doesn’t prohibit ‘friends’ from joining the party… just prohibits me leaving the party.
The Covert… “Let’s Get Kyrgyzstan on the Terrorist Kidnapping List… by staging a Kidnapping” theory.
The story, more specifically, her story, throws that out right away.. The military may not have the greatest minds in the world working for them… but when it comes to this kinda stuff… I know Delta boys and SOCOM boys who can make you believe anything they set out to do… one way or another. No, they would have left no doubt in anyones mind that it was in fact a kidnapping.
Wizbanger: I can’t help but laugh reading your posts. Yes, CAG/Delta/JSOC/SOCOM/even USASOC folks CAN make you believe anything. It is elite reversal psych training and that, my friends, is why we will most likely here some story, any story within the next few days, perhaps tomorrow, but NOT the REAL STORY……
Video cameras in the store would have certainly picked up someone stuffing a BOMB in her jeans pocket and then her walking in a trance…..I can see it now: but Ms. Metzger, we have you on video in plain view WALKING OUT OF THE STORE on your own free will, noone is with you. Oh yes sir, I had a note, a bomb, and fell into a trance and walked out of the store, but your cell phone traces you to a bus station and a call going out and two coming in — oh yes sir, they called the kidnappers using my cell phone to tell them to pick me up now, I know I know sir, no kidnapper would use someone’s cell phone because it can then be traced, but these folks were smart and figured YOU folks would think that was such crap that you would not believe it anyway and I would look foolish, like I am looking so sir, they used it and then they took me in a minibus or taxi or something, can’t remember, I was in a trance and my cell phone rang a few times because they forgot to take it away from me knowing it could be traced so they just shut it off for me and complimented me on my nice expensive wedding ring….then, I was given food, but they did not have my hands tied, figuring I was a girl I would not know combat moves so I HIT HIM! Pow! now sir, I need some sleep?????
The Runaway Bride + oops, I did it again Theory
I am not going for the pregnant theory. Has anyone seen pictures of Jill? She has the body of a 12 year old boy the side effects of too much testosterone, in addition to an eating disorder doesn’t exactly make her Fertile Myrtle.
One thing that caught my attention early in this case was Hubby’s comment about their phone conversation prior to the shopping trip. He said they “discussed family matters” – hmmmm, did something upset her? “talked about what they were going to do when she got home” – is this when it hit her she had to GO home? And what if she had another STD and was worried about bringing it home to hubby – doesn’t exactly make for a great honeymoon, and I am sure it wouldn’t exactly enhance her performance during the marathon.
No I do not think it was a pregnancy, but something was going on that she made a dash for the clinic. If she had been treated for an STD on base she would have HAD to report her sexual partner – and that was not an option for our “outstanding officer”. I think she assumed that she would be back on base in time and nobody would notice. One report stated the group “thought Major Metzger must have gone back to base without them” – she probably thought she had enough time to make the dash and get back…by the time she was done at the clinic, she was “kidnapped” all over the news. Instant panic! Hide out a bit, die hair – oops, that looks bad…better shave it.
All theories posted here are strictly fictional and are in no way meant to do any harm to Jill, her co-workers, her family, her dogs, her neighbors, the mailman, the taxi driver…
Happy: LOL! Another good one! STD, wouldn’t that stay with her though, whether or not she went to a clinic or went home? Who knows, might be on to something….I do like the died hair, looks bad, shave it theory!!! Runaway Bridge did go through such drastic measure to CUT her hair and leave it in a place to be found…that is thinking – her friends thought she would NEVER do anything like that either….
Now, this is much more fun that others bashing and/or degrading for differences of opinions…
Ya know, this is what they do in police stations and forensic meetings, heck, even law firms and so on,,,,sit together and discuss several theories and opinions, thoughts, heck, all kinds of character traits and so on…..heck I was told by someone yesterday they wished I would get abducted, tortured, raped and murdered for giving a theory and some opinions……geesh, I hope that never happens….I’ll have to pull my Whopper out and HOPE IT WORKS….
My sources on the ground support tha abortion theory. She did have a local boyfriend. Although it hasn’t really seen much press, there is a clear video of her voluntarily getting into a taxi cab (alone) after the supposed abduction. The “Surgery Clinic” is a well-known local abortion clinic. Those are the three main facts that lead to really only one inescapable conclusion.
The abortion theory sounds like a good one. She might have gone that day and something went wrong as sometimes abortions do and she had to stay with local boyfriend until she felt better and/or stopped bleeding….dying her hair was a no brainer for making others believe she was bridenapped….stating she needed a good sleep instead of being questioned is a key behaviorial action which the military, investigators and so on are going to notice, monitor and dig into….
I would hope if the local boyfriend isn’t “loco” boyfriend then he would come forward and save the govts of both sides some embarassment. It’s getting wack in here.
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I should have caught this earlier… But, in order to appreciate the advantages of looking like Emaciated Emma, as opposed to Fertile Myrtle, you would have to go there…
Women are not at all like Western Women.. They are thin – very few full bosom babes in that part of the world!!! Trust me – I know.. I keep a keen eye out for that.
But her actually that kind of figure would, in this instance, be a positive trait, rather than a negative one. There is no plague of phatness in that country.
Just thought you would like to know….
If she did have a local boyfriend, or local russian pilot, wouldn’t he be killed if his own knew he had an American girl pregnant?? I truly don’t know the answer to that one….regardless, her honor, reputation and CAREER would be destroyed if she was pregnant and came back to the states like that……try explaining that to hubby 5 months from now while giving birth, but honey, you were not even here 4 months ago, I don’t think it is mine, really I don’t, wait I have a note in my pocket and small bomb like device telling me to follow instructions – be back in about 3-4 days for a good nights sleep…
Alien Abduction? I have seen it on TV before….
The recent move of the mountain labs out West for the military where they did do UFO research must have made the alien folks confused, thus, landing in Beshkek and well, the rest is history….
Small correction to the interesting discussions above, from a military physician. Your military medical record is ABSOLUTELY accessible to your Commander. I have forked over many a medical chart to Commanders who come in and simply say, “I have a need to know some information about SGT XYZ.” (e.g. “Does he have Herpes? Was he admitted for a head injury resulting from drunkenness?”, “Is she on Prozac?” etc) Privacy concerns in the civilian world are not quite the same in the military world, which makes sense if you think about it. The Commander has to be able to ensure the safety of all of her troops. The only folks in the military to whom you can speak with guaranteed privacy are the chaplains and your lawyer. And even then, you have to be careful. Medical discussions/exams/treatments are NOT private. “Your” medical record does not belong to you, it is an official document that belongs to the Medical Group. You can bet that whatever is in Jill Metzger’s medical record is now well-known to her superiors, though there probably isn’t too much of interest in it. And forget her “privacy” with the psychiatrist who does her “debriefing”. She and her mental instability are the property of the USAF and not her own.
What the USAF decides to share with the public will be limited, but usually so many people are privy to the outcome that it usually leaks out somehow. But I don’t think this will actually turn out to be mental illness, although her story is so pathetically inept that it makes you wonder. I’m GUESSING that she and local boyfriend (Russian pilot) planned out an escape, he backed out and went back to his base, she panicked and concocted this ridiculous lie, not realizing it would attract international attention. When the lie becomes clear in a few days, we’ll have to suffer through the weepy excuse that she was under so much stress from a “hardship” deployment…
If I were an investigator, I’d be monitoring sites like this for little nuggets of intel to assist my investigation… that was the first thing I thought of when I read Deb G’s posts. I was so disappointed by the BBQ game, but then I realized I was disappointed in myself for reading (and posting) to a blog. Oh my…
Sorry I could stay away.
Local Knowledge: How do you know she had a local boyfriend?
If she did, I don’t think it is a local national or a Russion pilot. I don’t know Jill or if Jill cheats on her husband, but girls like Jill I think tend to date men who can appreciate her for everything that she “is”… all that she “is” might be lost on a foreign pilot she can barely speak to in public…if she can speak to him at all. (I know many, many foreign officers who speak excellent English.)
There are plenty of Americans who are in town… stated earlier…expats, embassy personnel and families, contractors like KBR, and other military we don’t talk about… the last group frequents the gym and might appreciate a physically fit two-time marathon champ…that last group also lives out and about and are attractive to girls like Jill… not knowing who Jill likes, just speaking from past observations…
STD – maybe. I think she would go to the clinic.
Pregnancy – maybe, but she wouldn’t abort in a foreign clinic…she could come up with something…unless she was just really worried about her marathon…
I’m still holding to the theory that she intended to slip away unnoticed for a while and didn’t make it back in time.
The video had her enter the store with another servicewoman… a pair. More than likely her friend knew or had a good idea in advance that they would separated… a little pressure and she certainly wouldn’t keep Jill’s secret at the risk of her own career.
Thanks for letting me play.
One more comment…
I can’t believe she was ever, ever planning on running away. Forget the honeymoom, she had a marathon to run when she came home.
You know, if something bad (like abduction even) happened to her when she was doing something wrong (like leaving the group to ???) she would still be in trouble for leaving the group. Her “AWOL” probably wasn’t her idea.
This could be whole truth (doubt it), partial truth, or no truth…
They can’t force her to take a polygraph, but from my own personal experience, a polygrapher can make an innocent person feel SO NERVOUS, SCARED, GUILTY. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be taking one and actually trying to hide something.
Wow…what a witch hunt this has turned into… This blog should really be titled, “The Jill Metzger Witch Hunt”.
I really hope if any of you are ever in a situation where the FACTS are still unknown, some fellow human beings give you all just a little more courtesy and respect.
I am signing off here for good. And unlike DebG, I acutally mean it…
Baffled
Baffled will go through life in that state if he/she continues to look at blogs for “facts”.
wow, jump on here to see the frustration continues. BBQ game? Although we did play some games on Sunday, it was harmless and shows exactly what intel does to folks – makes you believe things that don’t really happen, and the military excels at it. Sorry, but I have no control over anyone who wants to post back to someone on here.
Baffled: I never said I was leaving for good, I said I was out on Sunday, that day, not for good. I come back on here to read posts, perhaps not even post back and I keep seeing my name mentioned – good grief…..
Not sure why people on here get frustrated or put down others on the board rather than stick to theories and thoughts and RESPECT THAT OTHERS have opinions and brains of their own, which is what a blog normally is for…..completely harmless, all of it…..some sensitive folks on here for sure….I guess when the media writes articles about her disappearance and the lack of facts or others write about her – does that make it a witch hunt? Of course not, the facts are facts and they don’t make sense right now – period and the whole world is noticing, not just this site.
Blogs are many times more factual than the main stream media. Our local Colorado Springs paper has 6 blogs associated with it and the below linked private Colorado Springs blog gets more visits per day than all the paper’s blogs combined in a week. Tell me blogs don’t demand respect and a look-see.
The local TV stations were even pissed that he went out to photograph Jill’s husband when two of the three major networks weren’t allowed an interview. Media has to follow certain bogus rules to be PC. Blogs are free to do much more.
http://newsblab.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
I agree. Blogs can contain massive amounts of information and maybe, just maybe, you can locate that ONE individual who knows a wealth of knowledge regarding an important situation at hand. Also, a huge percentage of folks on blogs are extremely educated and knowledeable folks searching for facts and information and research tools…..
Don’t know the Lady, but do know the scenario…I was Married to an Army gal for 10 years who happened to cheat numerous times, at least 3 different guys, 2 of them officers, and have heard some “wild” stories and excuses…From “I am being set up” to “volunteered for a particular duty because of patriotic duty and values” to ” the insurgents have knocked out all communications and I won’t be able to contact you or the kids for a few weeks”..
In all the cases it turned out she was with another man (Army Officer) and it was just made up BS… The insurgent story, she was then and is now back in Iraq, was particularly funny because she was back in the states at that time with the new boyfriend and I received her award miles statemant in the mail from the airlines detailing her travel…The insurgents knocked out commo, put you on a plane to Amsterdam, and made you spend 2 weeks in Georgia sleeping with a married man?????
Point is, that being an officer or being in the military doesn’t automatically make you smarter, honest, trustworthy or infuse you with character or integrity…
Her colleagues and friends at the time were very supportive and said that ##### would never, ever, do anything to bring shame or disgrace to the uniform or family, etc… while they were actually involved, knew what was going on, and even loaned rooms and credit cards for the assignations….
Maybe she was kidnapped by ‘short bus’ terrorist or brideknappers, but the truth is usually more mundane, dirty, and understandable once the ‘media’ moves on.
Whatever happened, I am glad her family has gotten her back….
YaThink: I am with you on the Officer thing does not give you honor and integrity “just because” or by association. I would normally NEVER write this or relay to many, but my ex husband, who is a LTC was on a dating service meeting women while on TDY trips, his friend was kicked out of the Army for asking 50 different women to marry him even though he was married with children. Yes, some of you might know his story, it made national attention. Well, I NEVER went to IG or anyone regarding my ex, just divorced him. He is a Westpoint grad, special forces, and so forth, however, his PERSONAL life, even though he has medals, honors, etc…has a VERY dark and mentally disturbing side witnessed by many who know him and ONLY those close to him…..so, being an Office DOES NOT give you the right to be pegged with honor, accomplishments, etc….automatically. There are good people and there are bad people and then there are good people who are portrayed good but who are actually not that good in the long run….
In Jill’s defense, if she did make this up, I don’t think it was done to intentionally harm anyone, however, given her Officer status, she is a symbol of the USAF and would be disgracing that.
Again, let’s wait and see what the real facts are. Of course, in MY opinion, we will NEVER see the real facts, even if the media is saying the facts are the real ones…..covert stuff if it plays any part here, can and WILL be covered….
Wizbanger Poster:
I didn’t mean that because she was skinny therefore she coudn’t get pregnant – you can be skinny and still have enough body fat to get pregnant. However, atheletes can at times have too little body fat and their body goes into Amenorrhea (missed periods from too much exercise). This causes excess testosterone which Jill shows signs of (increased facial hair, sunken cheeks, limp/thinning hair). However, she could use the birth control pill to control amenorrhea…and if she had recently started taking any anti-depressants or even certain supplements (St. Johns Wart), they make the pill ineffective. VERY easy to accidently get pregnant this way. I think I just sold myself on the pregnancy theory. I feel sorry for the poor guy that got her pregnant – I think it is someone deployed with her. She wouldn’t go for a Russian pilot – she likes to be better than the people she pursues. Anyway, I am thinking she hooked up with someone that not only would get her in trouble for adultry, but probably fraternization as well(officer/enlisted) – a double whammy to really instill fear in her and require cover-up to take such dramatic actions. The truth will come out soon enough – I already saw anchors poking fun about it on the news this morning while I was working out – I think Fox and Friends. They even mentioned the gossip on the blogs – so BM and Deb make a great point above. BTW…all statements in this post are strictly theories based upon recent news articles and interviews, medical studies (amennorhea/birth contol/St. Johns Wart) and lastly (sorry baffled this will hurt…) my own personal experiece and the knowledge that this girl has been and will always be an attention seeker – not to mention, CRAZY.
And the questions start coming …
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2423811&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Happy Civilian: On Sunday, a few folks thought that you and I, were, well, the same person posting here. Are we sisters? Regardless, I have heard all of what you wrote regarding pregnancy before so it could very well be the case. I cannot recall the woman who posted in regards to Jill having an affair with her husband or fiancee, but I will say, that the INVESTIGATORS which the media keep pointing out, would, IN FACT, LOVE TO TALK TO HER about her experience. It would all be a piece of the puzzle and indeed pertinent to piecing together her mental capabilities and actions. I know some slammed her for posting such personal info., however, it would be much wanted at this point by authorities investigating…..At this point, if you get a few women together who can claim and prove that Jill messed around with or purused an affair with their husband’s/boyfriends/fiancees then that would prove valuable to this case right now…..I am not saying that is what she has done or does, but finding these facts would be important……
Happy Civilian: That was YOU!!! I just realized it was YOU who relayed that story. Wow, be on the alert for a phone call from investigators who may be reading this blog to question your experience!
I’ve been hanging out and reading this stuff, now I finally want to say something. YES, the whole “bomb in the pocket” story is, to say the least, pretty fantastic. A small package is stuffed into the back pocket of her jeans (hard to do)? With DETAILED instructions written in ENGLISH? And she FOLLOWS them without seeking the other AF personnel in the shopping center to say something like “I’m having a bomb scare and need to go. Tell the commanding officer.”
But please keep in mind that this is what the local police and media CLAIM she said, and we don’t really know how reliable they may be. Yes, there have been a lot of rumors generated about Maj. Metzger, but you can’t accuse someone based on rumors. There are now so many conflicting stories the truth simply becomes muddier by the minutes. The only thing certain is that Maj. Metzger disappeared and then reappeared under circumstances that were, to say the least, strange. But “innocent until proven guilty.” Bottom line: We don’t know what’s going on here, not really.
Why not just take a deep breath, get back to our lives, and wait to see what happens?
The interview with Jill’s parents deserves another look. It’s long but fascinating:
http://www.wral.com/video/9807496/detail.html
This interview was done BEFORE it was officially known that she was safe. Some things strike me:
1. Her parents CLEARLY know in this video that she is not in danger. They are extremely relaxed. Look at her Dad’s body position. When the reporter asks “What kind of a person is Jill?”, her Dad LAUGHS. I don’t think for a second ANYONE’s Dad would laugh when asked for personal information about a kidnapped daughter.
2. This video was clearly (to me) created FOR JILL, to convince her to come back home. They KNEW she was no hostage. They KNEW she had walked away on her own and wasn’t likely in danger. They emphasize over and over how much the family loves her, how much fun she has back in the states, all of her hobbies, her DOGS (close up on her dog’s face at the end), the extensive prayer circuit with “thousands of people reaching out to her”.
3. Dad talks very calmly about “terrorists and fatalities” as part of her military risks. Again, I just can’t imagine a Dad talking calmly and laughing about that if he believed his daughter was truly in the hands of an enemy.
4. Jill’s Mom has an interesting slip of the tongue when she’s discussing a wedding song sung to Jill’s new husband. She slips and calls the song “Why’d you do it, Jill?” instead of “Why’d you do it, Josh?” Interesting. And then she very quickly corrects herself.
5. They mention that Jill tends to think “I can do it myself”, but urge her to “realize that there is a lot of help out there”.
And I see from the recent link to the abc news story that her husband’s plea, again BEFORE he supposedly knew she was safe, was “Just be strong. Don’t worry about whatever’s happened to you, just come on home, all right. We’re here for you. Be strong, sweetie.” Weird statement to make if he truly believed she had been snatched by hostiles.
Clearly the family knew right from the get-go that she was not kidnapped and that she was probably safe but afraid to come home because of some transgression.
Her parents seem like the nicest people in the world. I feel guilty for doubting her, they’re so nice, but doubt I do.
There’s the point: You just never know what you are hearing on the media is true. Jill deserves some benefit yes, however, coming up with theories is normal for everyone to do. I too don’t believe all I am hearing, just know that it all sounds strange.
VR: I saw that interview and felt the same. I am sure “investigators” are clearly watching that frame by frame – it spoke volumes….
I do feel badly for her even though she is responsibel for any actions she might have taken. If, indeed, she did get kidnapped (come on folks, she was seen walking out of the mall on video camera – ALONE), then bless her for surviving and being in safe hands….
Has anyone noticed that alot of the information and opinions that the media is getting is from the Kyrgyz Police and other officials? Has it occurred to anyone that they can spin the information any way they want in order to cover their own behinds? Besides that, the media doesn’t always have all the facts. And their job is not to report news but to make money.
To anyone who came on this board to write negative things about Jill Metzger and to air any dirty laundry, as yourself if you have never made a mistake. As angry as it may make you to see other people sympathizing with someone you don’t care for, ask yourself – if you were in a confusing situation and people were allowed to speculate about YOU, would no one be able to come up with something from YOUR past to use against you? Be careful about throwing stones.
Please don’t attack me but just ANOTHER thought. As we know, things are not always what they seem. After watching video of parents,I’d like to throw out a question. Is it possible for a 33 year old to want to get away from a VERY CONTROLLING MOTHER? One that tells her every move to make in her personal life and never gives her breathing space – even when she is overseas, and has NEVER let her grow up?
Just a question from someone with some knowledge.
A video is a video which shows evidence she left on her own free will. A military spokesperson has verified Jill left the mall on her own after finding a note – she told military investigators this……
Actually, I have made mistakes, plenty, but have NO dirty secrets or laundry in my past – sorry. Not throwing stones either, just theorizing on a media story and situation – I don’t even see a Jill Metzger in front of me when I think of this, I see a situation where many folks are trying to put together facts and pieces of this puzzle….If I did, however, do something to harm the integrity of the military, I would most certainly understand the need to dig into my past and/or private life – it is a given….
Another thought: NOONE should be attacking you or anyone for that matter. I just don’t get why people come on here and attack and or put down the opininos of others. They are just opinions of people, meaning no harm to the person bashing following a comment or Jill Metzger for that matter…..just opinions…..just opinions…..just opinions…..if the story did not have loopholes, I doubt the whole world would not be trying to figure out what really happened….Just human nature to start piecing together the parts…….I am swamped at work and find this all interesting enough to keep checking back…..and, frankly, in hopes of learning what could be another theory or possibility….just curiosity really…..
VR
I share your doubts regarding “the story” as currently relayed by media. However, I fail to see the interview in the same light as you. In my opinion, all I saw was two people trying to remain optimistic in the face of fear. The mother’s sadness was palpable and the father’s laughter merely (perhaps) a stress mechanism.
When my daughter was a little girl she nearly died of complications related to surgery. I never cried, remained positive, and took very deliberative actions to insure she recovered (which she did). I WISH I had been able to cry, but it simply isn’t in my nature to respond that way during stress. We are all alike – but we are all different as well.
Jill’s father’s reaction may have been merely a reflection of his personal response to overwhelming stress. Neither implying or inferring anything of consequence.
The reason this case is so fascinating and so important and so INFURIATING to me is because as a female military officer I hate to see a fellow female military officer act in a way that reflects badly on “us”. Women in the military are constantly battling the perception that we don’t belong in the war zone, in the fighter jet, on the front lines, in the dangerous situations because we are not strong enough, not fit enough, not mentally tough enough. It has been a slow, difficult battle to convince the world otherwise, and stunts like THIS do not help.
The military is still run by old guys like Jill’s Dad (and listen to him detail her athletic accomplishments on the video referenced above: she has many, she won the AF marathon twice, but he HAS to throw in the comment that her accomplishments are awesome “for a woman”. You can almost imagine little Jill desperately seeking new “manly” accomplishments to impress her Dad — I can snowboard and skateboard! I can be the first girl to get a German killing license! I can skin a deer! I can run faster than you! I can be an AF officer!– yet they never quite manage to convince him.) Those old colonels and generals and a large segment of the US public believe that women don’t belong in war-time situations where they might be captured, tortured, raped (never mind that men can be in the same situation, somehow in their minds it’s worse for us women).
For Jill to throw out a “victim” story to cover for her own misconduct (and I’m making an assumption here that she did something she shouldn’t have, and was covering up for it with the cockamamie story) is appalling and infuriating if true. It created an international incident. It embarrassed the host country. It embarrassed the USAF. And it casts another unneeded shadow over the women serving proudly and competently in the military. We know what the risks are and we accept them when we put on the uniform. We want to be there (COL Rhonda Cornum, the doctor captured during the first Gulf War, speaks eloquently about her experiences and her thoughts on women in combat) and have earned the right to be there. If we are captured, we expect the US government to expend every effort to rescue us, just as they would for any captured airman or soldier. If we go AWOL for whatever dumbass reason, invoking the “victim” claim as a bid for sympathy, we’d better expect damn harsh judgment.
Ironically, from what I’ve read about Jill, she probably understood the difficulties of being a woman in a “man’s world” all too well.
I am really amazed that most of you have this much time. Some of you claim to be in the military, hopefully not waisting military resources. You remind me of the kids at school who never get to play on the team, but are so critical of the game being played and those that play it.
Give it a rest! You live in a world of conjecture. I have learned a great deal about the media circus and you are the pink ponies performing the tricks! Many of you are right. Nobody will know the truth. But examine, if you will, where you are getting your information. What can you verify? Isn’t there some value in emperical knowledge?
Deb G, I find some of the things have been said to you completely horrible and innapropriate.
I do have to say that you’ve been inconsistent throughout this entire blog. You say “I don’t even see a Jill Metzger in front of me when I think of this” but you obviously do. If this is just your curiousity about a missing woman, you wouldn’t have found it necessary to post personal information. (Which by the way it, from how things were worded, it doesn’t seem like there was any proof that Jill was involved in an affair – just “anonymous” emails). You say in one posting that you will pray for her but indicate in others that you couldn’t care less and in fact convey malice.
I’m going to do what it seems like many of the other sensible people have done and get the heck off this blog. It’s amazing that people have such a desire to use so much of their time and energy for the sort of negativity that has been demonstrated here.
DM: re:(Which by the way it, from how things were worded, it doesn’t seem like there was any proof that Jill was involved in an affair – just “anonymous” emails)
Sorry, that wasn’t Deb’s post – it was mine, and there is/was proof. She contacted me 6 months after the affair from an anonymous account. I then contacted her directly. My post was not about the affair as those happen all the time – my post was about my interaction with her during that time and her behavior displayed to me during that time. It was simply a post to give an example of her negative personality traits as others had posted about her positive. In my opinion from my experience with her…is that she is CRAZY.
I have to agree with DM! It is amazing the number people claiming to be military officers and successful civilians who have the time and desire to speculate and to blog about Jill Metzger’s sex life, STD’s, abortions, affairs, alcohol consumption, underwear, etc.
Get a life!
Happy Civilian and DebG…Get a life and a support group for bitter ex-wives! In fact, that is really what this blog has become anyway…
mh
————-FLYTRAP—————
I have a question for you!!
Have you ever seen a pidgeon?? I presume you have. You can probably even describe one to me, can’t you?
Have you ever seen a baby pidgeon?? Discribe it! In all probability you haven’t seen one, have you?
You see, in YOUR world, you ‘say’ that you have to have emperical (sic) knowledge. So, emperical (sic) me this… Baby pidgeons don’t exist!! Why? Because you haven’t seen one. Nobody has seen them.. Adult pidgeons just happen, they drop out of the sky, for no particular reason at all.. they are there just to eat the scraps that people throw on the ground. Therefore, the concept of ‘needing’ baby pidgeons is not valid.
In MY world, because I don’t have access to absolute truth, I have to make judgements on the ‘facts’ as I gather them, and I am able to reassemble those ‘facts’ as I need to. In order to prevent my cranium from becoming nothing more than a hollow cavern.. With my experience, knowledge, and reasoning ability, I conclude that:
Jack and Jill went up the hill
to fetch a pail of water, or something
Jack fell down, and broke his whatever
And Jill, well she fell into a trance
and out of the TSUM did dance
And.. well she took a bus or was it a cab
with instructions to pay the tab
and… gee, I lost my place
And Jill, well she’s fallen from grace
Baby pidgeons don’t exist.. do they Flytrap!!??
Came back on to once again, more garbage about the actual people blogging, fun! strange, but fun!
Wizbang, you make me LAUGH!! I was nearly spewing on the screen! I love your posts. Now that you make me think of it, I have never seen a baby pigeon! What the…….why not? oh oh, new post Where are the baby pigeons???? You can be my wingman anyday….reality will keep you alive…
MH: well, laugh my darn butt off, bitter ex wife hahahahahahahahahahah I am so far from bitter. Better maybe, not bitter. Do you claim to remotely think you know me because if you do perhaps you can tell us what happened to JILL….Life is good is my motto. I am blessed with a very good life, will spare the details so I really don’t have to get a life – I have one! You are on here too, does that mean you don’t have a life? I am secure enough with myself….Ya know, I don’t like posting back wiht stupid posts like this and very off the topic, but this is well, stupid.
DM: I posted facts, not really personal info becuase none of it bothers me in the least – just pointing out a perfect situation of Officer gone bad.
I do find it amazing that the folks who come here bashing and are hypocrits because they will stand by a woman named Jill who they do not even know, but will bash those of us here giving opinions on a blog – how funny is that???
As far as not seeing Jill in front of me. Simply meaning, I am not targeting Jill for her character, if anyone were in her situation, it would be that person we are giving theories about. I see a situation in front of me, not the person, a situation and puzzle and some pretty darn strange facts….
Ok, for those posters posting to us about our character due to giving theories, perhaps you should contact all the news stations, newspapers and everyone in the world right now making up some pretty darn rudge THEORIES about Jill – the whole world is doing it, this site is just a small place included…
One thing in life is constant: desperate people will do anything. It should be so obvious to anyone with some common sense and knowledge of what motivates people that the story this woman, who wears a uniform of our respected military btw, fabricated is false.
She is embarrassing our country and every citizen who pays her salary. How dare you go to another country and claim that you were kidnapped to cover up your own personal problems?
She is better suited for a career as a writer or a sidekick to Tom Clancy than being a commissioned officer in the AF.
And those of you who trash other posts, particularly the ones by Happy Civilian for pointing out a different side to someone’s character, should wake up and realize that the person you are defending needs psychological help. If you care about her so much get to know the true person like others have experienced. I have read enough to know and make a reasonable judgment about the ‘type’ of person this is. All I can say is trash.
Yes character does matter in a situation like this. Someone who can run a marathon doesn’t make them a good person. Mike Tyson is a gifted athlete but it does not take away the fact that he is a thug. Ted Bundy was charming, but still a murderer. People who make generalized statements about her being such a great person are being misled. Great people are not involved in adulterer behavior, send disturbing emails, or lie to America. A person who is willing to commit the above acts certainly has the capacity to do anything for their own personal gain.
We being the public and tax paying Americans are being deceived. I’m sure we will find out soon enough the complete story. When we do, it would be in our best interest to petition and write our U.S. representatives and Senators telling them to assist in the removal of this fraud from our military and to be punished to the fullest.
She needs help and as sure as sh*t, I don’t want to pay for it. Get this loon out!!!!!!
Okay, let me try this again. I am neither a Jill Metzger apologist nor basher, and I DO think the whole “bomb in the pocket” story is fishy if not downright smelly. But whatever Maj. Metzger may or may not have done in the past or present, we are only hearing what the Kyrgrst official CLAIM that she said and CLAIM that they saw.
Yes, she left her group, which was against procedure, and yes, she did disappear and then reappear under very strange circumstances. But can we please take a breath and wait a moment before convicting someone via electronic media? Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I think what we are doing here is starting to go beyond that. What IF it does turn out she actually DIDN’T do anything wrong (which IS possible, by the way) but then all suspicions have already been raised that linger and follow her around?
If she faked her abduction, I want her to pay some consequences for it. But what if this is just foreign officials spinning an incident to cover a criminal act in their own country? And yes, that IS possible.
I don’t know Jill Metzger nor anyone associated with her, but I have been victimized by false claims myself and hate to seen someone tried in a public forum while unable to defend themselves.
Somehow, I doubt this entry will find much favor with anyone.
—–Cambrose————-
Let’s do a poll…
all those who believe that Jill has done something wrong.. Raise you hand….
See… I win..
Now… go sit down!!!
A rather childish reply, Wiz.
For clarification, I DO believe she did something wrong by leaving her group, and I STRONGLY suspect she may have erred in more than that. But where is the proof? Is there anything here thus far that would convict her in a court of law or a military court-martial? The supposed security camera tapes and interviewed witnesses are in a foreign country with official who may or may not be putting a spin on this to keep themselves covered. Has anyone stateside seen the tapes or read the transcripts? If she’s guilty of wrongdoing, so be it, let her pay the price for her actions. I’m just saying wait for conclusive proof. Have YOU ever been accussed of something serious you didn’t do? I have, so maybe I’m a little more cautious about making accusations than others.
And why IS this polarizing everyone so much anyway? Chill out, people. I somehow doubt this will have a lasting effect on most of your lives.