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Airforce Major Jill Metzger, stationed at Manas Air Base, was shopping in a Kyrgyzstan mall with friends when she disappeared.
From CNN:
(CNN) — A U.S. Air Force officer is missing after a trip to a shopping mall in Kyrgyzstan, a U.S. military statement said Wednesday.
Maj. Jill Metzger, with the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was last seen shopping at the Zum Shopping Center with others from the Manas Air Base when she disappeared on Tuesday, the statement said.
“Major Metzger was last seen wearing a green sweater and blue jeans,” the statement said.
“She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She is in excellent athletic condition.”
Military Web sites describe Metzger as a top-flight marathoner.
Both the Kyrgyz police and the US military are searching for her:
BISHKEK, September 6, 2006 (RFE/RL) — Kyrgyzstan’s Interior Ministry and National Security Service say they have launched a joint operation to locate the U.S. air servicewoman who disappeared on September 5 in Bishkek.
The woman, who has been identified as Major Jill Metzger, is working at the U.S. Manas military air base, near Bishkek.
Manas air base public affairs officer Ann Carpenter told RFE/RL’s Kyrgyz Service that Metzger disappeared while shopping at Bishkek’s main department store (TsUM) with other U.S. base members.
“The [U.S.] 376th Air Expeditionary Wing base officials are working with the U.S. Embassy and local officials to locate the servicemember as soon as possible,” Carpenter added.
The U.S. Embassy in Bishkek has issued pictures of a blonde woman as part of the search operation.
Let’s hope she’s found quickly.
Update: Maj. Metzger was supposed to return home on Thursday and went to the mall to buy souvenirs for her family.
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“Also, for all of you who felt the need to gratuitously ‘illuminate’ us with the ‘other side’ of Jill, you be your own judge. I’m convinced that most of us think Jill’s private life is no one else business.
Posted by: Fukuro at September 8, 2006 10:10 PM “
This is not her private business anymore, Fukuro. She has greatly damaged the image of my country. We are being labelled as an terrorist state all over the world. Look at the CNN, BBC, NY Times, Reuters, etc. headlines.
Our economic situation is in miserable shape because of failed IMF and World Bank reforms.
All our plant and factories were destroyed by IMF reforms. Our economy needs a support.
This year, Kyrgyzstan had a first time success in attracting tourists. The Russian top officials from Moscow visited Issyk-Kul lake. Back home, they praised our lake, suggesting Russians to make a trip to Kyrgyzstan instead of Turkey, Spain and other tourist destinations.
This summer, for the first time since indepenendence from USSR, Kyrgyzstan was crowded with Russian and Kazakh touriststs spending their cash in Kyrgyzstan. That cash will be spent to sustain our country, to buy an oil, gas, machinery from Russia and Kazakhstan.
And right now, when things started slowly improving in Kyrgyzstan, it is all again shattered to splinters with western media picturing us a terrorist state.
Should this be happening just of some incoherent female, who is not accountable for her actions?
Based on the story she told officials, I believe she staged her own “abduction.”
Here’s the part that caused me to wonder:
She was last seen Tuesday at a department store in Kyrgyzstan’s capital. A government official says she’s told investigators she was kidnapped. The account says somebody put a purported bomb in her back pocket along with a note of instructions to go to a place where three men and a woman put her in a van and drove her to a residence. She says she escaped from a dark room by overpowering an abductor who brought her food.
By the way, for those who have been to Bishkek, the “department store” was the fixture know as the Tsum (or however it is Romanized). I have been there many times, myself.
Anyway, here is what I found not right about this account:
1) If, while she was in a very public place, someone put a “bomb” in her pocket with instructions to go somewhere and do something, why on earth would she obey? Why not just report it to security or something? Why leave the store, perhaps the safest place you could be in such a situation, and willingly go to meet some strangers? The Tsum is not in the middle of nowhere and as I recall, there were always lots of people inside, especially foreigners as it was the place to go to buy traditional handicrafts among the city’s ex-pat community. Surely she could have found someone there to help her with this.
Although separated, her Air Force colleagues were all in other parts of the department store from what I can gather so she certainly was not alone.
Also, as a U.S. Air Force officer, aren’t these people trained in regards to how to respond to weird things like this? Surely they must be and I would assume this training does not include willingly following such instructions.
2) Before she was found, she was apparently caught on Tsum video cameras. Surely the cameras must have caught this mysterious person placing a “bomb” in her jeans’ back pocket…
3) This report says that when Metzger was found, her blond hair had been dyed brown and she had dark dye stains on her hands. Now granted, I suppose there are ways for someone to be forced to dye their own hair or have their hair dyed against their will and when running their hands through the new ‘do come away with a darker skin tone, but isn’t that a long stretch?
It sounds to me that for whatever reason, Metzger did not want to be found or recognized (until she “escaped”).
Here are some other things about her that suggest she is a well-liked person who had lots of things going for her:
Before her disappearance, Metzger had been scheduled to head to Dayton, Ohio, for the annual United States Air Force Marathon. She has twice won the women’s division of the event.
A week later, she was to travel with her husband to Jamaica for a belated 10-day honeymoon.
She clearly has had her moments in the spotlight but what if, while in Kyrgyzstan, she felt she was not receiving the kind of attention she was used to enjoying? What if she was having second thoughts about her new marriage? What if she believed an “abduction” would either be a great way to escape whatever it was awaiting her back in the States or else bring more attention to herself even if it was not in the way she was used to receiving it?
Yes, I may be acting quite “insensitive” here but believe it or not, somthing just like this happened in Wisconsin last year when a university student staged her own abduction as a result of not enjoying the same spotlight celebrity status in college that she had in high school.
Don’t take this as a case of me being a fan of Wikipedia because I am learning not to trust it (despite previously over-relying on it in the past), and please don’t misinterpret me in that I’m trying to make this odd case racial because I’m not, but when looking for Audrey Seiler links to include in this post, I came across a description of “Missing white woman syndrome” and wondered if Officer Metzger is not, perhaps, a victim of this media disease. (And a woman who like Seiler, might have some issues with attention.)
While some may not consider her “pretty” compared to the valley girl of Seiler, she certainly sounds like a model person.
Maybe I’m wrong about this all but the details she gave certainly don’t present a strong case for her abduction. Her story failed to convince this reader at least, but I’ll add that I’m glad she has been found alive and well.
I certainly will be following this story to see what turns up…
There is something not right with Jill’s story. Too much silence right now.
Bombs do not get placed in someone’s jean pocket with instructions. Any normal human being would certainly have turned to push someone away from placing a bomb device in their own pocket. It is a normal human reaction.
I anxiously await the “truth” to this STORY….
Pls. check out this web site:
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2969900/detail.html
Police Cite ‘Continuing Inconsistencies’ With
Wis. Coed’s Abduction Stories
Police in Madison said Friday that Audrey Seiler’s story of being abducted doesn’t add up and they don’t believe there is an abductor at large. Seiler was found Wednesday — two days after her strange disappearance at 2:30 a.m. Saturday — in a marsh about 2 miles from where she lives. Wray said that during the investigation, inconsistencies arose between Seiler’s account, witnesses’ accounts and evidence obtained by police, who then confronted the UW sophomore. Wray listed several “inconsistencies.” First, he said, two witnesses told investigators they saw Seiler walking freely during the time she told police she was confined by an abductor.
DOES THIS RING A BELL?
Very similar story to Jill’s.
Kuba Kyrgyz
Well, I like movies. Sometimes I like the really good ones, with lots of crazy plot twists that totally defy explanation and seem to implicate a deep conspiracy in the world. Those are fun.
What if Metzger was a provocateur, a US agent in on the scam, who was part of a staged kidnapping on the part of the US to embarass Kyrgyzstan? Earlier this year the Kyrgyz govt. renegotiated the Manas airbase lease for an undisclosed price, and then passed some laws preventing NGOs from working in the country. The subtext is that the US State Dept said most of the Manas rent would come in the form of NGO money, but NGOs in the FSU in the past 15 years have been running around setting up political parties that challenge the ruling elite.
So the motivations are such that: (1) The US will try to undermine the Kyrgyz politicians who asked for more money, and in doing so will stage a spectacular news event to introduce the concept of instability and even danger in Kyrgyzstan. (2) The Kyrgyz are following instructions from Russian secret services, historical allies and colleagues, who are fearful of a US military base so deep inside traditionally Soviet territory. And (3) Metzger and a deep cadre of authorized co-conspirators stage the whole thing and then use whatever SOFA agreement they have to get her out of the country before a local interview can take place.
I call this movie: “The WizBang Files”
Where is Jill?
I know it’s not quite the blogger death swarm fever swamp way, but maybe, just maybe, we can wait for a little facts. Particularly us military types that do put our ass on the line for the whole innocent until guilty thing.
Now that Jill’s been found, we can think of more hilarious side of it!!!
(I have a gut feeling that this is the perfect plot for the new Hollywood movie with psychics, aliens involved, and Kyrgyz bride-napping included!!!
Jill Metzger could be starring herself. I can play the role of ruthless Kyrgyz bride-napper.
1. The ruthess Kyrgyz bride-napper hires a Gypsy psychic near a shopping mall to hypnotize the pretty blonde American girl in the shopping mall in the Bishkek.
[StarWar music starts playing in the background.With the following text scrolling through screen]
Ancient Himalayan Legends say, that one day, out of Himalayan Mountains, the Destiny Child would be born of mixed race. The Destiny Child would hold supernatural powers to shift geopolitical balance into the hand of Kyrgyz people.
2. Jill Metzger is put into trance; she walks out of shopping mall in somnambular state, whispering some bizarre Kyrgyz words.
3. Only blonde virgin in athletic form can give a birth to the Destiny Child. But the Blonde should be converted to brunette, as Legend’s Scriptures say. Her hair is immediately died dark brown to make her look more like Kyrgyz. But she has to be also a virgin.
Well, to his dismay, Kyrgyz guy finds out she’s not. He has to release her in outskirts of Kant town in somnambular state.
4. She’s found by police, news reached the ears of her delighted friends and family.
5. But virgin blondes, shopping in Bishkek TSUM shopping mall, beware!!!
)
Jill Metzger made it to Wikipedia!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Metzger
Major Jill Metzger is a United States Air Force officer and is assigned to the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing that has been deployed since 2001 to Manas Air Base in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan to support operations in Afghanistan.
On September 4, 2006, after shopping in a mall in Bishkek to buy souvenirs for her family, she failed to return to Manas Air Base and was listed as missing.
Four days later, a telephoned tip led police to discover Jill Metzger walking in a disoriented manner near a police station with her hair cut and dyed. It is unclear if she had been abducted or if she had been held against her will; however, Metzger claimed that she had been kidnapped by 3 men and a woman who had held her against her will for the past four days.
Now Jill’s been found, we can party and read joyful websites:
Hilarious caricature (Central Asians do have sense of humor):
http://www.kub.kz/forum.htm
Episode I – Bush of the World
Atlantida, the end of 2000 B.B. (Before Bush), throne-room of Capitol Congress Palace, Newly erected King Geoshua the Busher II from Busher dynasty is proudly sitting on the throne, observing kneeled people from Administration of the Whitestone House
– Oh, greatest and thoughtful of the mortals, thunderbolt for unfaithful, defender of miserable, praise to you and to Floridian governors that weighted, weighted and calculated for you! For unaccountable shall be the holes voting for you! Long live for descendants of Busher dynasty!
– Let God praises all you too, my affiliates! Shall your daughters blossom and give birth to millions everlastingly, Green!
– We all are at your disposal, direct us! What should we do with fallen Albertuno Huronian and his lord Clintinimon Lewinsky? Styx them? Or send everlasting hemorrhoid with sodomizing effect?
– Let them live, my power is too great to crack peanuts with their thoughts’ heretical, wash his stains off, give him shepherd clothes and pastoral pipe and exile after all. Let him sing his Monikinean song. This will teach the profligate to admit truth in asceticism.
– Yet his wife in possession of power, wishes to take votes in supreme suburb, what should we do with her?
– Let her possess, rational and logical her deeds, tempers she heretical thoughts. As for that Monikinean hetera, give her to our public criers for exposure, order them to hunt her down forever…
– But sir, – whispered his privy council, Joshua Tennetean, – she is devoted messenger of ours, she done the blow job alright? We only offered her discount to live the rest of life in diamonds?
– You idiot, – silently Busher replied – for protocols I said indeed, give her a pension, medical insurance and order media to pump a Green!
– Yess, sir, but will it better to force her meet a realm of shadows?
– Idiot again, what plebs will think of it? Don’t bother, council, laugh will meet her words, no one would give a peace of shit for true. For if she spells our names in public, arrange a climax or send a death because of fatness…you know, you always get so many clues – Busher loudly appealed to audience:
– So, dear chosen ones, besides my brother Busher Floridian, we need to praise the deeds of father, Busher the First, many years to him and our country! Let Atlantida rules the World! A pillar of the humankind, colossus of the Earth and Themis across barbarians. We are to shudder the world in our pious intentions; bring our will to human kind; proclaim Thirteen Apostles’ Declaration to savage brothers of the World! For all time, Green!
– Green, green, green! In Green We Trust!
Episode II The Last Supper
Oval cabinet of the Whitestone Palace: Busher I and Busher II, Chief Vizier – Dick Cheneyan, Privy Council – Joshua Tennetean, Military Unit – Don Ramshteinfeld, IQ Advisor – Columbina Right
– My dear friends, we well performed “corps de ballet” – dully smiled Busher the Second, didn’t we my gorgeous father? – his face at words was outlined by savage cowboy smile at most
– Sonny, you looking far beyond your mind!
– Indeed my dear daddy, in contrary to you I’ll try to reach that sacred mines Saddam the worst creature owns
– Be careful sonny, I had that time all bets jack-potted, I knew all politicians by name, who is responsible for China, who is at throne in Hindu country, at least I even know my name in Aramaic (Note: BuSharon). Do you indeed feel so confidently about seeds you plan to sow?
– Don’t worry father, for what I need to know such data? I have my Columbina Right, here?
– Yess Sir! – replied Columbina
– Yassir? I thought he was somewhere in China from lessons taught some days ago?
– No sir, I am just at your disposal now…Dick also here to cover mind by facts & data, Don waiting for red button order, while Privy Council hides behind that secret door…that Billy used for relaxations…
– So, father, you see I’ve got all guns reloaded now, I also tend not complicate, we will divide the earth an axes: the evil, good, and “none to lose”, subdue the first ones till knockout, promise a money to the middles, and cock a snook to latter ones…it’s simple, father, like peace of cake to do…
– Oh! o dear! I am too old to play rodeo with foreign policy so much. Remember just one thing at last –whatever you do you must a nephrite supply give to us, provide the light, and green forever, for all time, Green! In Green We Trust!
– I do! I do! I do! Green Light for Deeds of Great Atlants!!! (chorus)
– So, what should we start from things to do?
– I have some cryptographic writings – replied Privy Council softly – it seems we came to last resort, achieved level of game over, civilization on the verge. To keep our culture from removal we need to seize a power over minds. Set rules and edicts, norms of justice, spread Altant values, faith across the world.
– Without nephrite it’s problematic – Busher the Second grunted loudly – I guess we need to be think-tankers to solve a problem from one short…
– Two shots – mysteriously whispered Joshua and added loudly – Thank God we now alone indeed. Our mighty enemy is lying down while remnants of the Red Empire still weak and suffer from the cleptocracy. But there is another danger, our beauty Europe’s rising. Though they are named friends of ours, we can’t relax, should closely watch them, unless they take all nephrite mines.
– By the way, another point is Celestial empire
– What is Celestial, Columbina? Who is their leader?
– It’s China, sir, and Hu is their new leader.
– That’s what I want to know.
– That’s what I’m telling you.
– That’s what I’m asking you. Who is the new leader of China?
– Yes.
– I mean the fellow’s name.
– Sonny, stop junk our brains, spell H for Human, U for Universe and you’ll receive a name of China’s lord!
– I see my dad, but Human Universe is not a name applied to a persons, it’s rather name of great Atlant Empire!
– Don’t mind, gentlemen, Right, please continue.
– China is huge, big country with people over billion at the nests. A dangerous and great opponent looking at the space…
– Then who is Mr. Putineus, Columbina?
– The head of big northern country that recently collapsed for a while; he is smart, with keen on a cryptography, and willing to restore Empire…
– Oh, God, shall we again hide in the bunkers from missiles at every Russian solder’s sneeze? Damn them, I see I hurried up with Clintinimon’s exile we should have finished him. He left us three biggest challenges so far…modest Europe, Celestial Empire pretending for a Human Universe and unsettled scores with oldest rival…
– Four, sir, – Joshua replied – we have another one. Europe as rich and glorious as Atlantida, though weaker because of lost ambitions to rule the Earth. Past bloody centuries were good enough. China just starts driving. The dead empire too weak to point it seriously. None of them is dangerous for us at current time. The fourth damn element are religious rivals that possess a horde of nephrite mines and trying overtake control.
– Suppress, destroy and capture!!!
– Don’t hurry up, my dear son, we have a League of Nation as a guide. War and Peace affairs ruler. The world’s last resort of notions. We can’t oppose those Coffee shoppers.
some commercial for a moment…
end of part one
to be continued
heybulldog entertainment project (c) 2004
uhh…you need to stay out of the Tup Valley my friend…too much kosyak…
Common, CGB. We all have been tense, following Jill’s story, and now time to party!!! Fireworks, champagne and loads of Tup valley anasha!!!
Kuba:
Thank you for explaining why Jill’s personal life has now become public and is relevant in showing patterns of narcissistic behavior; her private life might have been the motivation for her current situation.
For those of you that think I used this opportunity as revenge – trust me, I could have gotten my revenge on Jill a LONG time ago, I had proof in the form of letters from Jill herself. That was not the point, and it still is not. My story was not to be interpreted as “poor me” – in fact, anyone who knows me would attest that I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky and much better off. I am sorry if my motivation was misinterpreted as anything other than another testimony of Jill’s character – albeit negative.
Anyway, no need to revamp as it seems people would have already drawn parallels between Jill, Seiler and the runaway bride without the need of my testimony of Jill’s past questionable psychosis for attention. I trust the military investigators will be as (or more)competent as the Wisconsin investigators whom caught Seiler in her facade. If Jill in fact lied about her “kidnapping”, I will trust our government to take the necessary steps to ameliorate any damage done to our relationship with Kyrgyzstan.
True, U.S. citizens are innocent until proven guilty, and we should let the investigation run its course. However, posting opinions is the point of a blog, and we are not hindering or influencing any investigation by posting here. Obviously, since this event took place in a foreign country and Jill has accused her disappearance on local abductors, anyone has to expect passionate responses from bloggers – especially those familiar with Kyrgyzstan.
Does anyone recall the story of Susan Smith in South Carolina? She accused an unidentified African American of kidnapping her children and stealing her car. I was living in Sumter, S.C. at the time (stationed at Shaw) and know first-hand what tension can arise from false accusations. To Kuba and Jodi, thank you for researching and educating – especially on the local area of Kyrgyzstan.
If, by any chance, Jill’s story is proven factual, I will apologize for assuming her guilty on this board. I will not, however, apologize for giving an example of her mental instability – just as I do not expect the posters whom vouched for her to apologize if her story is proven false.
Happy Civilian: I’m with you all the way. Had some fun yesterday with friends trying to defend my opinion! At this point, there is nothing to defend, an opinion or thought is just that, an opinion or thought givne this blog was opened to share in “Where is Jill Metzger”. I came on here in the first place out of curiosity as the story peaked my interest…..yes, someone’s character and mental stability play a vital role in their actions. I agree, if any part of this story is true, she is one lucky girl for escaping, but the bomb in the pocket in a busy department store leaves me well, doubtful….
Kuba K: Cheers to you!
Happy Civilian,
If you feel Jill’s personal past is so pertinent to this investigation then why are you posting about it on some random blog and not contacting the authorities?
Baffled
DebG,
I thought you were done here?
Baffled
HELLO PEOPLE….
I will continue to come here from time to time to see how the battle is going.
Unfortunately, now that Madam Major is in the hands of the US Military, it is highly unlikely (Impossible) that we will ever know what happened during those few days in which Madam Major caught the attention of the world. She has been removed from the scene of the ‘crime’ and as a result, the Kyrgyz authorities will not be able to conduct their investigation. Still, I hope that they will continue without her so that we may come closer to understanding what happened.
Lucky for us, Kyrgyz laws don’t have a “Privacy Act” and if they are able to secure any medical evidence of what may have transpired at the “Surgical Center”, I am sure that we will know about it.
In the meantime, I want to personally thank Kuba Kyrgyz for all his input. I hope that he will be able to contribute more concerning what is developing in the news from the Kyrgyz Republic.
As for the rest… Take it easy.
Baffled,
I’m baffled with your comments. Happy Civilian already said that she had given info to the authorities when her ex was going for a security clearance. I’m sure that from that info there is something on Jill’s file. I too think that somebody’s past info can give light on present actions. While that is not always the case, it could be a factor. Random blog? I don’t think so….its a blog about Jill, and anyone can post their opinion or give info on Jill (good and bad).
I still think this whole thing is fishy and thank all who have given information on Kysrgyzstan. As an American, and Airman I am worried of the repercussions this case could bring if in fact Jill staged her abduction. I really hope this is not the case for everyone’s sake.
RS,
I guess since the alleged incident reported by Happy took place in 2002 and she felt is was so relevant four years later, then she would go ahead and report it now to be sure it was known and not having to be dug around for… By random blog, I just meant that a blog isn’t really going to ensure “her story” gets into the appropriate hands. After all, it is just a blog. At no time did I write that Happy or anyone couldn’t voice their opinion about Jill, so please don’t get on the defensive. And, just my humble opinion, but I think it is best to air dirty laundry in a place such as this when the person is actually present to defend themselves. Happy could have reported the incident to the appropriate authorities…the need to know folks…and saved the blog report for when Jill can tell her side of the story.
Kyrgyz Police: Metzger’s Testimony In Disappearance Confused
POSTED: 11:42 am EDT September 11, 2006
BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan — A Kyrgyz police official said Monday that a servicewoman from North Carolina who reappeared in mysterious circumstances after going missing for three days gave confused accounts of her absence and refused further statements after consulting with the U.S. Embassy.
Air Force Maj. Jill Metzger, who had been stationed at the U.S. base outside the Kyrgyz capital Bishkek, disappeared last Tuesday while taking part in a military shopping excursion in the city. She resurfaced Friday night when she knocked on the door of a house in Kant, about 25 kilometers (15 miles) outside Bishkek, and claimed she had been kidnapped.
Metzger, who was raised in Henderson, N.C., was flown out of Kyrgyzstan within a few hours of her reappearance and on Sunday was admitted to a U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany. There was no immediate word on what she was being treated for or how long she would remain in hospital; officials had previously said she did not appear to have suffered serious injury during her disappearance.
Kyrgyz authorities have said her swift departure from the country could impede the investigation, because they wanted to question her further to clarify her account. According to investigators, Metzger said an object with a note saying it was a bomb was placed in her pocket in a Bishkek department store and that she was kidnapped after following the note’s instructions on where to go.
“It seemed to me that her testimony was little believable; she was confused in her evidence,” Batmirza Dzhailobayev, head of the Kant police department, told The Associated Press on Monday.
“After she spoke with somebody from the embassy, she categorically refused to give testimony. Then people from the U.S. Embassy took her away,” he said.
Dzhailobayev noted that although Metzger had told police that her abductors had stolen her necklace, she was still wearing an expensive-appearing wedding ring.
Also Monday, a resident of the house where Metzger appeared said that the 33-year-old major was clearly in distress.
“Our first impression was that the woman was severely drunk … (but) there was no smell of alcohol and we then understood that she was in shock,” Svetlana Ivashenko told The AP. She said that Metzger was dressed in clothes that appeared to be several sizes too large for her.
Ivashenko said Metzger was speaking only in English, which neither she nor her husband understand, so they awoke their daughter to try to help understand.
“Who had seized her, why and where they had held her all this time, she couldn’t clarify,” Ivashenko said. “As she told all this, she didn’t weep _ she just sobbed and held her head.”
Ivashenko said there was blood on Metzger’s feet and that she said she had walked a considerable distance. She also said the right side of Metzger’s face appeared to be badly bruised, although Dzhailobayev said “it was my impression that there were no bruises on her face.”
This is just as confusing as the fun we had yesterday!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060911/ap_on_re_eu/kyrgyzstan_missing_major
the games we play…..
Not sure why you folks give a hard time to happy civilian. She gave info. regarding a past situation – on a blog, she is allowed. Anyone can say or do just about anything on these blog sites….Why do you think the personal life of celebrities, politicians, presidents, military folks come out in the open??? Because it IS, in fact, relavant to ultimate actions. You don’t think agencies or anyone just takes the good part of someone’s past or life and uses that to build a case, puzzle or scenario do you?? Of course not, they dig into their MENTAL PROFILES and capabilities and past situations in order to piece together what someone might be made of and in search of reasons WHY THEY DO THINGS THEY DO WHICH SEEM IRRATIONAL AND WELL, NOT NORMAL….
When people go to blogs and web sites and post commnets, thoughts and opinions, the people they post about are normally NOT AROUND. Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes and Brad Pitt are not in blogs and sites to defend themselves, nor is the President in those sites defending himself and so on and so on and so on….People talk and say things and do things – let them talk and give ideas, opinions, theories and scenarios….Come on folks, it’s not really harming anyone on here nor is it harming Jill Metzger just typing words away on a site like this given the strong media attention this is getting and the complexity and strangeness of it all…it is just life that people jump on board with their own thoughts, let it go…..
I came back to the board to find any new theories or information, I really don’t care what anyone posts back to me, it is easy to sit behind a computer and say things to posters about their thoughts and opinions, kind of like THE NEED TO HAVE CONTROL over someone’s thoughts, let it go….
Again and again, I am just saying that since this info seems to be so relavant, in your opinion, then why not report it to people who can use this information in their investigation. Why just here on a blog?
Since all of the news report seem to conflict, it is hard to believe anything…some say a bomb, others say a she was approached by two women for help, her head was shave, her hair was cut, found on the road, found at a house. What can we really do other than just give the gal the benefit of the doubt right now? We can’t possibly be getting a straight story at this point. Just seems the American kind of thing to do…innocent until proven guilty…kind of why we are over in these countires to begin with…?
Okay, I must admit I’ve been a lurker and I must admit in the beginning I was inclined to give Deb G the benefit of the doubt with her theories (and still don’t think we’ve heard the end of this)but may I suggest we change the name of this thread from where is Jill Metzger to Who is Deb G? Other than secret squrrel Army officer/triathlete/barbecue chef/patriotic all American. Please please please, for the love of God Deb, your hole is deep enough, stop digging.
I agree we need to give her the benefit of the doubt and we should. The media can report some twisted versions of reality and the real truths. Also, the Kryg gov. might want to cover themselves as well. Depending on who is being asked, the story can get relayed differently. I just feel there is something more as nothing is really being said. Normally, information is given out rather quickly in regards to a happy and genuine homecoming, and yes, the story does sound beyond strange so it is normal for folks to make up “Abducted by Alien” stories…..Gosh, the folks here at work, on a military installation at Fort Bragg no less, have made up some amazing stories about this, humerous and so on and yes, they are fellow military officers here doing this…it just happens…..there are officers who would never bash another’s character and there are officers out there right now who are going to make up some rather twisted and scarcastic theories and thoughts…..
I will pray for her regardless. If she was abducted the the girl needs some extra TLC and loving family and husband around her. If she was not, then she still needs the same TLC, loving family, friends and husband behind her to help her with any possible reasons she might have done this to herself…..who really knows right now except Jill herself……
JM: My friend. I am in no hole. Are you kidding? This is a blog area. I don’t know you folks and I don’t care what you say in return about my character. Just shows the character of those bashing myself and anyone on here. I have no ill will toward Jill at all. None. Hole? That is insanity – whose hole??? I have a good life and this blog is a curiosity to me and means nothing else. It does not change my life, my thoughts, my opinions, anything I do this minute or the next. I am on here as most people come to search for info. on a media story. Nothing else…I agree: Let’s change this to WHO IS DEB G.??? Had some fun yesterday, has nothing to do with a hole or instability or multiple personality. Get real folks – your comments about me (not sure why it continues) have nothing to do with anything………
Thanks DebG! It is all I am really asking of anyone on here…certainly feel free to post possible theories, thoughts, etc but in the end, hope for the very best for a fellow human being and American citizen who at the very least up until now has been serving our country for 10 or more years! And as someone already mentioned, is someone’s daughter, wife, sister, friend, and colleague.
I doubt if Bill Robertson is still reading this blog – but please email Mrs P at school! I have been wondering where you disappeared to!
Brad
WHOA!!!
I just woke up!! I was out getting a BK Whopper Burger, when someone put this Whopper in my back pocket. I felt something warm back there, I went to check it and there was a note attached to it.
When I started reading the note, I fell into a trance. I walked out of BurgerKing, with the burger still in my pocket, got a taxi, and ended up in Kansas.
For the last 3 days, I’ve been held captive in a dark room. They took my wallet and money, but left my 2 carat ring on my hand. They also made me dye my hair.. it was black, now it’s red.
Anyway, one of my kidnappers came in to feed me, in the dark room, I remembered that I still had the Whopper in my pocket, so I took it out and stabbed him with it.
I’m lucky to have escaped with only this note in my pocket…
“Take me to you leader” Make a right, then a left, then go straight, then make 3 rights, back up 2 steps, and pay the taxi.
Don’t try anything funny, smart, or to escape.. your mind is under our control!!”
This thread is hysterical!
I love the “I know jill” defense!
Drink a tall glass of cold water to calm down, sit quietly for two minutes and listen to the sad, desperate story she’s making up, and you’ll know it; It’s all lies!
But I know Jill, and there’s no way she could do this. No way. Therefore, it must have been an abduction. Even if her sad, confusing, ill-constructed story doesn’t make any sense. I’m covering my ears now. La-La-La-La-La I can’t hear you La-La-La-La-La I know Jill she’s an officer and therefore incapable of doing anything like this La-La-La-La-La she’s serving our country and so we should automatically give her the benefit of the doubt La-La-La-La-La.
Come on, you guys are supposed to be smarter than that.
Wake up people,
Are you from the United States? In this country people are actually given the benefit of the doubt…aka…innocent until proven guilty. We do this for all people…whether or not they are officers, whether or not they have committed a crime in their past, whether or not they slept with someone’s boyfriend four years ago, and whether or not you give a shit.
Hey Baffled:
Where in the Constitution does it say “innocent until proven guilty.”? I don’t see it in the Costitution and I don’t see it in the Bill of Rights. Instead of just parroting it, why don’t you point out a law book where it says that.
Holding cells across the country are full of people who are being held without a trial, because they have been presumed to be guilty. That has gone on forever.
The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution reads, in part, “No person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law …” There’s no such thing as “innocent until proven guilty.”
No one’s depriving Jill of the due process of the law. She can have her day in the court and be even found “not guilty.” (Not “innocent” just “not guilty as charged.”)
That doesn’t keep us or anyone from calling her a liar. (Oh, that one is in the Bill of Rights and it’s called the First Amendement.)
Zubin
Baffled: Yes, I am an American. Yes, I am familiar with the tenet of “innocent until proven guilty.” But guess what … she’s not on trial, and I’m not on the jury. I am a concerned citizen who can examine the (albeit limited) facts available and determine that most likely she is not telling the truth. And I have the freedom to do so, just as much as you have the freedom to ignore all the (albeit limited) evidence and state that she was most certainly abducted.
You can call Jill whatever you like…I have never once told anyone not to do so…if you re-read my post, I wrote that in my opinion, given the very conflicting new reports given on an hourly basis, we don’t really know the facts so why not give her the benefit of the doubt.
I also don’t recall citing the constitution at any point in time either…please refresh my memory if I did so…
But since you brought it up…
The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution reads, in part, “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law …”
In simple terms, it means that constitutionally you cannot be executed, imprisoned, or fined without the proper course of justice taking place.
A fair trial by a jury of one’s peers requires that the jurors approach the case with the thought that the prosecution is required to prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Since the trial begins with the prosecution not having introduced a single piece of evidence, it follows that a defendant must be innocent, until proven guilty.
So, the meaning of “..innocent until proven guilty..”, while not written in the constitution, is derived from the fifth ammendment.
You may want to go back to about 8th grade history…:)
Again, I’m just not sure why anyone would not want to give a person the benefit of the doubt given the gross difference in the news reports. Every story I read says something different. I’ll continue to presume her innocence until the facts are clear. And by that, I mean actual facts…not some random alleged fling she had with some dude in Germany in 2002…
Where and when did I state that “she was most certainly not abducted”??
Baffled: I love your reasoning; You are totally contradicting yourself. You explain how the idea of “innocent until proven guilty”somehow “follows” out of the 5th Amendment into the court of law, and then ask us to give her the “benefit of the doubt” based on press reports, in a discussion that is going on in a public arena, having no impact whatsoever on her right to due process.
So is “benefit of the doubt” in a public arena a requirment, even if the concept “follows” out of the 5th amendment into the court of law? (Which it does not, in my opinion.)
Let me say this in case you don’t get it:
**We are not in the court of law**
My calling her a liar is based on the her story which is utterly laughable. With each passing moment more and more details come out that make her to be a total liar on this event.
Say whatever you want, I give her another 48 hrs before her story totally falls apart.
Personally I couldn’t care less whether she is an outstanding officer or a drunk or whatever else; None of that has anything to do with the fact that her story is hysterically stupid and this blog is full of people who are just eating it up.
Baffled, somehow this turned into a “you vs me” thing, and that was not my intention. You personally never said “she was most certainly not abducted.” You merely said that she should be given the benefit of the doubt, which I initially did until the questions started piling up.
However, there were dozens of people who said things like “We know her. There is absolutely NO WAY that she would go AWOL. End of story!” My comments were directed toward these closed-minded people. I understand the basic human need to keep faith in our fellow humans; however, when doing so renders you incapable of objectively considering alternate possibilities, you cease to think critically.
Remember Craig Button? If not, google him. “There is no way he could do this,” people said. Guess what? He did. And he was an Air Force officer. Just because you “know someone” or just because that someone is an Air Force officer doesn’t mean that they will never do something odd or out-of-character. And once the questions start piling up, perhaps it’s time to take a step back and at least consider that maybe that’s exactly what happened.
Escape Artist: LOL – that was pretty funny!!
Baffled…
Allow me to ‘turn on the light’ for you.
Number ONE.. she is not a ‘citizen’ as you may interpret it. She is a member of the US Armed Forces, and as such falls under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
Number TWO.. She either commited, or was a victim of, a crime which took place on foreign soil.
Number THREE… When a member of the US Armed Forces commits, or is party to, a crime which takes place in a foreign country, that country has the right to prosecute the individual, if it is determined that he/she was a party to said crime.
Number FOUR.. If you… as a US Citizen, go to a foreign country, and there decide to commit a stupid criminal act, such as the one which “I BELIEVE” she committed, then you can holla’ “innocent until proven guilty” – until your tonsils fall out… you will NOT be under the jurisdiction of the US legal system.. Talk to the people who are rotting away in some third world county prisions who haven’t been afforded the “due process” and you will soon understand what I MEAN!
This little innocent idiot has implicated herself in a scheme which has all the makings of total stupidity.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to analyze the information which has been reported by the authorities of Bishkek, eyewitnesses, security cameras. and the MAJOR herself – and deduce, AT THE VERY LEAST – that this woman is mentally disadvantaged. But, even giving her that EXCUSE, does in no way vindicate her.
She has embarrassed the Government of the United States, the US Air Force, fellow citizens, co-workers, and ‘whatever friends she may still have’. She has shed a VERY negative light upon the smallest of the former Soviet Union Republics with whom we have been cultivating a relationship.
I could go on with the economic impact this has had not only to the local government, citizens, but to the US Taxpayers. (Flying a friggin’ plane from Bishkek, to some location, then from there to Landstuhl Germany is not a 10 minute taxi ride) It was flown to GET HER OUT OF THERE… before she could be interrogated by the police!!!
So, save it with this poor little Jill … innocent until proven guilty… compassion and pity party of yours. I don’t buy it!!!
My Grandson could have come up with a more plausible story than hers!!!!
Maybe she is a spy and the military took her away immediately for the “cover”. Something went wrong during her visit, THEY (whoever they is) threatened her life if she spoke of them (whoever them is), died her hair to make it look like a bridenapping and then dumped her and made it clear they (whoever they is) would kill her and her family if she talked…..
Perhaps a Russian pilot from Kant……
Perhaps Aliens
Perhaps a jilted lover
Perhaps a Big Burger gone mad…
Perhaps she is telling the truth, eventually we MIGHT find out, but eventually, not everything is what it seems and they military and the media might come out TO TELL US OF THE TRUTH THAT HAPPENED, but in reality, it is NOT THE REAL TRUTH…again, things are not always what they seem to be…..mailmen are FBI agents, lawncare folks are CIA and the beat goes on…..
THE PERSON WHO KNOWS IS JILL METZGER…..
………..Deb G………..
You ever get one of those ‘lucid’ moments???? I ended up spewing coffee on the monitor after I read it prior to posting….
WAAAAhahahahaa.
Escape Artist … aka Been There… aka WizBanger
Zubin,
Have you actually heard HER story?
I have not. I have read news clips…very conflicting news clips. Conflicting news clips with VERY few, “Major Metzger said…blah, blah.”
Therefore, I’ll wait until some real facts are presented.
I guess the “innocent until proven guilty” statement is open to interpretation. I do realize it is a “court of law” term. However, I personally extend it to out of court judgements myself.
Wake up people: thanks for the clarification.
Wisbanger Poster: I love it – plausible deniability might be the MOST we will get out of this one….not accusing Jill of anything, just offering my opinion, but if someone put a bomb in my back pocket (if it fit in my jeans), I would certainly shove away any object or hand near me (especially given military combative training and/or JRTC training before deployment), following instructions to leave a mall WOULD BE THE LAST THING a normal military officer would do (or enlisted for that fact) or anyone…now, if she had a syringe stuck in her and was drugged to follow that note (I think I saw that in a Sci Fi movie once) then I might believe it more…
Escape Artist: You’re pulling my tricks now!
Deb G. aka Carrie aka Karen and on and on….
just shows what people will believe….
For the Record: not pulling that tonight, just interested in others thoughts….I don’t have anyone here with me either…..
On a lighter note: I enjoy all the insight and actually look at the stories to see what folks come up with….I have to admit, this is interesting….
We should have a contest: Whomever comes up with the RIGHT theory and staging of this story gets FREE SODA (can’t really write beer because I could get in trouble for that one!!! this can include the fact that she is telling the truth.
I wish we could all just post thoughts and opinions without others bashing those who are doing that – this is a blog isn’t it??? Good, bad or indifferent, let others post their feelings about this situation. Come on now, you have to admit, the facts are a bit STRANGE….
I’m not totally up on which, if any, agreements the two countries have with regard to crimes commited in the country. But, even if one soldier beats up another soldier in a drunken brawl in downtown Bishkek, the “MPs” surely aren’t coming out to break it up.
It would be left to local authorities to clean up and possibly prosecute, if they so wished… However, if they willingly hand them over to the local Military or American Embassy personnel, they have essentially given up the right to prosecute.
But, you’re correct … re: your previous post…. WE WILL NEVER “KNOW”..
There is one caveat…. I lived there for a couple of years and noticed that the lack of confidentiality, specific to medical issues, are not what they are here. In the US, you’re not getting anything that is in the medical record of another person, unless you are able to steal it. PERIOD. Even in the Military MTFs… even if you are a persons commander.. you don’t get it!!
Nevertheless, I wish I were there now. I’m sure that a little ‘financial incentive’ would produce whatever medical information I would want to get on anyone. That’s if I can believe Kuba’s previous post on her going to a Surgical Clinic… Which is still within the realm of my theory for her going AWOL..
Wizbanger… aka Been There… aka The Escape Artist. (Stabbed him with my Whopper???)
Baffled:
Except for some word choices, there are almost no “conflicting” news stories. So I don’t know what you are talking about.
She’s been quoted and detailed consistently throughout, from what I can tell. If there’s confusion, she’s causing it by refusing to speak to the police and skipping out of the country.
Wizbanger has it right; A kid could do a better job of lying.
Shame on her! She’s giving America and our armed forces a really bad name.
I’ll see you in 48 hrs when she is the laughingstock of the entire world. I am willing to bet that not one shred of evidence will be found to support her moronic explantion. And perhaps much discovered to descredit it.
My general theory goes like this:
A.. This is her second deployment to Ganci. (can’t understand that one).. She is involved with someone there and one thing leads to another. She gets the big “P”.
B. The only MTF there consists of a tent in the middle of the post.. anything serious would be medevac to some other MTF (probably Landstuhl) That can be done with little to no problem. However, the big “P” would be a problem, because to go there for that would have ‘official’ ramifications ie: medical chart, diagnosis, hospitalization, etc..). If she were stationed in Germany, she could take a week leave and go to the local German place and back to work with no one ever knowing anything.
C. She really can’t come home with the big ‘P’, because the agenda is packed, and it would be difficult to ‘explain’ her absence to the fam.
D. She can do it for next to nothing in Bishkek… ONLY PROBLEM… Time.. They aren’t authorized “leave”… they get R/R outings.. but that’s it! SO… desperate times call for desparate measures..
Everthing else is too much on the spooky side, and her just be a Personnel Type, she would have lacked the training for any covert kinda stuff.
BUT … that’s just me.. and I’m just here.. Nevertheless, I have lived there, I know the people, I think that they have a real tough life there, but I never felt ‘threatened’… so.. given my experience with the locals, I came up with the big “P”.
Wizbanger..
Partially correct, WizBang Poster, on two items… First, the jurisdiction of a foreign gov’t over a US military member is dictated by the status of forces agreement (SOFA) in effect with that particular country–not the same from country to country. Second, medical records within the military system are not as secure as what you think they may be. Given the right circumstances, military investigators can obtain medical with little difficulty. This info doesn’t add much to the topic at hand–just an FYI.