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Airforce Major Jill Metzger, stationed at Manas Air Base, was shopping in a Kyrgyzstan mall with friends when she disappeared.
From CNN:
(CNN) — A U.S. Air Force officer is missing after a trip to a shopping mall in Kyrgyzstan, a U.S. military statement said Wednesday.
Maj. Jill Metzger, with the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was last seen shopping at the Zum Shopping Center with others from the Manas Air Base when she disappeared on Tuesday, the statement said.
“Major Metzger was last seen wearing a green sweater and blue jeans,” the statement said.
“She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She is in excellent athletic condition.”
Military Web sites describe Metzger as a top-flight marathoner.
Both the Kyrgyz police and the US military are searching for her:
BISHKEK, September 6, 2006 (RFE/RL) — Kyrgyzstan’s Interior Ministry and National Security Service say they have launched a joint operation to locate the U.S. air servicewoman who disappeared on September 5 in Bishkek.
The woman, who has been identified as Major Jill Metzger, is working at the U.S. Manas military air base, near Bishkek.
Manas air base public affairs officer Ann Carpenter told RFE/RL’s Kyrgyz Service that Metzger disappeared while shopping at Bishkek’s main department store (TsUM) with other U.S. base members.
“The [U.S.] 376th Air Expeditionary Wing base officials are working with the U.S. Embassy and local officials to locate the servicemember as soon as possible,” Carpenter added.
The U.S. Embassy in Bishkek has issued pictures of a blonde woman as part of the search operation.
Let’s hope she’s found quickly.
Update: Maj. Metzger was supposed to return home on Thursday and went to the mall to buy souvenirs for her family.
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While the details are yet to be revealed, the Idea that this Air Force Officer had something to do with her own disappearance is stupid.
Credible reports indicate she was beaten and her head was shaved. Anyone familier with Kyrgyzstan and that part of the world might be aware of bride abduction… anyone?
Beatings and head shaving is uaually the punishment for refusing to accept the husband. Now, am I saying thats what happened to her… no. But look at the remarks of the Kyrgyzstan police and how they differ from the US officials and a picture will begin to become clear… the Kyrgyzstan officials seem to be trying to prevent an “incident”.
She was dressed as a civilian when she went missing, in all likelyhood those who took her had no idea who she was. This lady is in shape, and smart… the exact profile of the type of woman who survives this type of encounter.
I think this woman has been through hell over the last several days and survived. Shame on you people… this is not a runaway bride situation!
Karen and Red,
If you have read the whole thread you will see that I too, wrote about the other side of Jill and that I’m also a proud AF Officer. You should not get upset about the bad stuff being said as she kind of brought it upon herself. I have a friend that was a victim of Jill’s affair, and I had to help her get through her crisis, when Jill started e-mailing her pictures and shit. No, Jill didn’t deserve to get kidnapped (though I think that is not what happened), but she could’ve avoid all this crap (the comments) if she would have kept her affairs to herself, instead of going to the victims and gloat about her actions. That was plain rude, and from reading here I see my friend wasn’t her only victim, as Happy Civilian was one too. They didn’t do this, Jill did. As an officer this actions are unbecoming, and if you are a good officer (if you are one) you would know that to.
I’m glad Jill has been found safe, I’m really happy for her family, but for some reason I don’t believe the story…I’m sorry if this offends you, but I do think she may have had something to do with the whole thing…sorry, just my opinion and yes, I’m entitle to it.
Posted by: Captcorajus”..
“While the details are yet to be revealed, the Idea that this Air Force Officer had something to do with her own disappearance is stupid.
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Credible reports indicate she was beaten and her head was shaved. Anyone familier with Kyrgyzstan and that part of the world might be aware of bride abduction… anyone?
Beatings and head shaving is uaually the punishment for refusing to accept the husband. Now, am I saying thats what happened to her… no. But look at the remarks of the Kyrgyzstan police and how they differ from the US officials and a picture will begin to become clear… the Kyrgyzstan officials seem to be trying to prevent an “incident”.
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Uhhh… excuse me Captcorajus… but just how long have you lived in Bishkek?.. or Kyrgyzstan. Before this happened… I doubt that you even knew that it existed…
I lived there. Kyrgyz don’t “bridenap” nonKyrgyz women..
There are plenty of enthnic Russians living in the area.. THEY don’t get “bridenapped”..
I can imagine the conversation now…”Hey Igor.. let’s take that one.. she looks like she’s in shape.
Bolot, are you stupid or something.. what will my family say when I bring home a white woman? And, who is her family? Do we even know them? Shut up!, and drink your mare’s milk, will ya!! Igor, all we have to do is put this package in her pocket and say it’s a bomb.. give her instructions on where to meet us, and then take her home from there…”
WAAA….hahahaha.. Only in America!!!
So here’s to you CaptCorajus… For exemplifying the knowledge, wisdom, and literacy of western culture – for the rest of the world to witness!
I have an idea, lets all let this settle a little bit. Before anyone else goes and bashes her or her family, or anyone else that has posted to this board. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions. We all know that not all of the facts have been released, they never are. I’m not going to side either way with what has been presented thus far. I personally know her family, and they are grateful that she has been found. So before anymore conspiracy theories start, lets wait a while and see what other facts are released. Please be mature adults about all of this, there is no need for name calling and threats.
Hey Deb G… what’s your attitude on holding “enemy combatants” without trial for indefinite periods, or waterboarding them, or inducing hypothermia, or depriving them of sleep? Or what about arresting a mentally ill Iraqi and frightening him with police dogs until he’s out of his mind with terror? I’ll be you and every neo-facist like you has cheered all those things. And then you threaten freako (or whatever his name is) with “revealing his IP address” as some sort of punishment when he insults you online. You’re a real tool, you know that?
Nope, sorry RS. Don’t buy it. Officers don’t gossip about others who aren’t there to defend themselves – unless they are total pieces of shit. It’s called honor – you have none.
Red, you can jump in my foxhole anytime – you’re the kind of soldier I’d want at my back.
Deb, you said that you “don’t stand behind fellow officers who prove wrong in some actions.” In your tiny mind, what exactly has been “proven” to you? There’s no proof of anything yet! Rush to judgment much?!
With each post you are becoming more and more unbelievably grandiose. And ironically, your “accomplishments” are tracking very similarly to Major Metzger’s – except with a litte one-up-manship thrown in. Metzger is a personnel officer? Well, Deb here is an INTEL officer. Metzger is a marathon champion? Well, Deb here is a TRIATHLETE. Get it?
Shit, with REMFs like you and RS, who needs enemies?
I really like the “bomb in the pocket” story. That’s a good one.
My guess: affair with co-worker. Elaborate plan to escape together. He backed out. She made up a whopper to evade punishment, not realizing it would capture the imagination of bloggers everywhere. Career over, and all she got out of it was a really bad haircut.
Well… My bet is that she is on her way to Landstuhl Medical Center in Germany right about now, where she will be given a complete physical. She will probably have a couple of days of rest, followed by a number of Question and Answer sessions.. Following that, she will probably be back in the USA.
Again… check the radar screen in a couple of months, regardless of which slant you wish to believe.. IF she is still in the Air Force, then you can assume that all was on the up and up. However, if she is gone from radar… then my assumption will coincide with my suspicion that she concocted this little private party all on her own.
As Pooh Bear would say…. Ohhhh My.
Wow! I go away to a wedding and come back to this. The ONLY reason I told my story was NOT from hurt feelings, but to demonstrate that Jill is unstable, insecure, unbecoming of an officer and has severe mental issues. Yes, being in her 30’s (yet looking like she is 50) is no sin to drink and have sex. However, when you are in the military you are held to different standards and the point that Jill herself would punish people for doing exactly as she does is my POINT tht her charactor is extremely flawed. I always knew her private life would come to the surface…and it looks like the point I was trying to make previously was correct. What concerns me is when people say “shame on you” for saying anything negative about this girl. I really hope the military takes a more open minded view during the investigation. Perhaps all your glorified saint stories is why we are now in Iraq…you need to take off your rose colored glasses.
Jill’s mental issues are now international; now she has taken her narcistic attention-seeking personality disorder to a new level. How DARE she say she was kidnapped in a foreign country…is she trying to start a war? Perhaps miss Jill found weapons of mass destruction in the little hut during her trance? Did they also make her dye her hair as her own hands were stained? Fairly ironic, too bad she didn’t use red hair dye..she would have been caught red-handed! My boyfriend has read the emails Jill sent me and as soon as this story broke he said “wow, you need to go forward with your story – that girl is truely insane.” Had you read the emails she sent me, you would know I am not using this opportunity to mend any wounds – those have been mended well over a year now. I just wanted (as others here have done as well…Deb, ROS, RF) to show her proven MENTAL ILLNESS and stop all the terrorism theories…we have had enough of that in our country. Maybe all you military that know Jill so well should stop jumping to conclusions that all foreign countries are out to kidnap Americans. SHAME ON YOU and I can’t WAIT until this is all exposed.
And btw, I got out of the Jerry Springer life that Jill tried to get me wrapped up in…maybe your friend should go on Jerry.
FWD –
“Nope, sorry RS. Don’t buy it. Officers don’t gossip about others who aren’t there to defend themselves – unless they are total pieces of shit. It’s called honor – you have none.” Are you seriously that much of a hypocrite? So, it is okay for an officer to lie about a kidnapping but RS can not give their opinion? Hmmm…nice military. Are you perhaps in the Third Reich? Is that really what our military has come to…believing any story about WMDs or “bombs in pockets” and calling someone that blows a whistle a “piece of shit”. With that language of maturity you think you have honor? Please do not ever join the civilian community. Our corporations actually operate on values.
FwdObsvr,
Honor is to tell the truth which I’m saying now, and I’ve said it before to the ones that know me. Officers that keep their mouth shut about things that are wrong have a lack of integrity…one of our chore values, or simply decide to be a part of the “men’s club” if you know what I mean…where they cover each others shit. I’m thinking you are part of that one and are pissed that one of “yours” got disccovered….sorry for you!
Redheaded- just have to comment on your post about “Female officers laugh at sillies like you”.
First of all, I was active duty and NEVER “laughed” at a civilian spouse because they are as much patriots as their active duty spouse. Shame on you. Now I AM civilian and much more successful in my own right and do NOT sit on my butt. Your posts are ignorant and an shame to the country you serve.
FwdObsvr: Wow, you amaze me. I never claimed to be an Intel Officer. Does this mean that all people in athletic shape or tri-athletes are trying to be like Ms. Metzger??? Military Officers, the one who carry honor, DO NOT allow other officers to carry on with conduct unbecoming. THEY DO NOT ALLOW THIS. I have extensive military family, Uncle was a Merrills Marauder and so on and so on in my family – including women. My mother was a military spouse and honored for her efforts. My husband is a LTC. I am amazed at all the bashing here, and hopes that I get raped tortured beaten and murdered are simply unacceptable. I have found the person behind this IP address, however, will maintain my integrity and not reveal the name. I am sure the media would be interested to know who you are and I am shocked to find your name behind those words…..I wished no ill will on Maj. Metzger – simply stated opinions.
Updated photos of Jill’s husband Josh from this morning.
http://www.newsblab.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
Awwww, c’mon Deb G., spill the “name behind the IP address”. He/she said the words, where’s the integrity in hiding his/her identity? It’s awfully naive in this day and age to assume one can post on a public forum anonymously, and I didn’t see any posting on this blog guaranteeing it.
Deb G:
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Meeting the storm because it caught you unawares is not found in the hall of courage, however standing in the storm in spite of it, with conviction, therein lies courage and integrity.
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For all those who are riding on the tail of how great and honorable this Major Jill Metzger is, you will soon enough be tasting the putrid feathers and flesh of fresh killed crow. Of course, you may want to jump ship first.
The story of Jill, will go down in the annals of history as one of the most bizarre acts of an Air Force officer to date. She has taken all Americans down the road of humiliation and disgrace with her. Whatever the reason, whatever the motivation, I will never understand it.
Furthermore, to be attacking the people of Kyrgyzstan, as the ones who are seeking the glory of the media is just as irresponsible as her actions.
One would have to be teetering on the brink of insanity, and the edge of gross stupidity, to believe what she is already revealing. If we are fortunate enough, to see the movie…
The Major who was Abducted by
Aliens in Kyrgyzstan.
Driven as in a trance, she followed the path on the note, to the bus station at the edge of town, whereupon she sat on a lightbeam and was transported to the alien ship.
How much deeper into the Bizarre world of Jill do you want to enter? You do so at your own risk!!!
Been there: I’m with you. All these comments are meant for opinions of what might have happened, could have happened, has been heard, but NEVER to say anything back to posters about wishing they would be abducted, tortured, raped and murdered nor name calling…..
I stand my ground here: This story is bizarre and out of context with norm. I thought about the alien theory. If, indeed, she was kidnapped then God bless her for staying alive and escaping, however, the facts clearly state the story is fishy.
Now, to those of you name calling. Do you name call any military agency, law enforcement agency and so on when they are trying to piece together facts to fit the puzzle? Do you wish all people were dead because they give views and opinions which do not fits yours? Ok, I am going to stop here….Point blank: the “story” is by all means – strange….
Deb G:
Hang on for just a moment gal… THE PLOT is about to be revealed…
Start cooking up the crow,in big helpings…
How’s everybody like theirs… With feathers.. Rare, medium, well done…
Takin’ orders right here!!!!
Deb G:
Nice to see you on here. I was lurking for info. on the kidnapping of Metzger and came upon this site.
I would like to say, I happen to know Deb G and was at her pinning ceremony at USASOC at Ft. Bragg to Major while her Uncle was being honored by General Jones as a Merrills Merrauder. She is an exemplary Army Officer and I have the utmost respect for her. She is, by all means, entitled to her opinions of this situation as the rest of the world is. I have read the posts and see NO ill will toward Ms. Metzger at any time. I find it appalling that Arros would wish death upon anyone never mind someone simply giving an opinion. For those of you bashing on here – the problems lie within your own psyche for the name calling and evil will unto others. Deb has accomplished more than most could have experienced in a lifetime and she stands modest in regards to it all. I too, am a tri-athlete, which does not make me grandiose and wishing to be like Jill Metzger. Perhaps Ms. Metzger could only wish to be Like Deb G. and Deb certainly would never sacrifice the honor of her country to carry on an affair with someone else’s fiance or husband.
So, with this said, let’s focus on the positive of any of this. I too believe this story is bogus and aliens have abducted her and brought her back. Whatever the real story is, I am anxious to hear it. For the record: Military officers who are honorable to their country and military careers DO INDEED turn in other officers and relay actions unbecoming. It is the right thing to do. If anyone reading this would harbor the bad conduct of an officer or anyone in the military then YOU are just as guilty of those actions as well. Shame on you, it is not what you took an oath to do….
Jill Metzger has gotten herself into a hell of a mess but that’s her problem. Some people on this board are behaving as if this one stupid incident is going to be the end of civilization as we know it. In the whole scheme of things, who really cares whether Jill Metzger is a nutcase or not? (And she is.) You people need to lighten up a bit. Stop taking yourselves so seriously. And what’s with all the “You should be ashamed of yourself!!” comments? LOL!
Dear Dorothy…
I don’t know if you have missed something here??… I think you have, but I’ll let others chime in if they wish.
Jill Metzger is a MAJOR, in the USAF. She has done things which REFLECT on the USAF, the Officers of the USAF, and more importantly, her country. (That by the way, is you and I)
If Joe Shmoe, or even Dorothy, goes out and does the same thing, we probably wouldn’t be going through this right now. We’d be sitting back reading about it in some obscure third world newspaper on the next to the last page, along with the article about the farmer’s pig who died while crossing the road.
BUT, that’s not the case… so, while I appreciate your personal desire to go on with life as if nothing had happened, I personally will continue with this. WHY?… Because, Next time I land in Moscow, or Frankfurt, or Mexico City, or any other international airport, I would like to be informed so that I can intelligently address the questions people ask about life in these here United States. Especially, when they ask questions regarding senior officers in our Military.
Some of these people knew Jill. And some knew what Jill was doing on her “free time”. IF, and I stress the IF, these people had used the moral code that USAF Officers are bound to, then we probably wouldn’t be discussing this…WHY? Because Jill Metzger would be a civilian… maybe living right next door to you, and not out creating a national embarrassment to us who care about what happens in the military.
Thank You..
Well, guys. I’m from Kyrgyzstan. And I actually heard, that Jill Metzger was not kidnapped at all.
Rumors are that she got pregnant from local jigolo. Her contract was coming to the end, and she was going to return soon to USA to join her family and loving husband.
Abortions have been made illegal in USA recently(is this so? Or just abortion surgery is way too expensive over there?), and according to rumors, she decided to udergo abortion surgery in Kyrgyzstan.
She deserted airbase, underwent surgery, and after a couple of days, came up with the story about kidnapping.
Brilliant move, huh?
But she’s putting my country in wrong light, and I am not happy with this.
I can’t help it. I’m intrigued. I’m also a female Air Force officer who has been deployed a few times to various locations. The part I’m stuck on is the “friends in Bishkek”…who has friends in Bishkek? There are usually only a few types living out in town like that: expats, embassy personnel, maybe contractors like KBR, and a few other miliary and/or civilian groups we don’t talk about. Only a small subset of that list has access to the base (e.g. the gym, etc) . I’m really happy Jill is ok, and I don’t even know her and have never heard of her. I’ll wait for the story to unfold. If it is embarassing to the AF, I hope it never goes public. I will say this though…if she had a special friend, her cell phone records over the past few months will point the investigators in the right direction. If I were a betting woman, I’d say the investigators probably have a good idea what happened already. And once they hook her up, they’ll know if they are right or not. It is a great tool and very intimidating. I’m just glad she is alive and unharmed.
And to all those white chick slavery theorists:
Do you believe in all that kind of shit?
Richie (above) talks about ala kachuu, and describes it well. I worked for seven years in rural Kyrgyzstan and saw dozens of cases of it, including several of my students.
“I’d just like to comment that it’s not likely that Major Metzger would be a victim of ala kachuu. She cannot provide what the abductors want: Kyrgyz housekeeping, Kyrgyz food and Kyrgyz babies.”
She (Jill Metzger) is just way too ugly to become a victim of ala kachuu, IMHO.
Kuba Kyrgyz:
I think the abortion theory is false. It sounds like a local rumor. If a woman is pregnant in the US, abortions are relatively inexpensive (considering a Major’s pay) and with a little ingenuity, a woman could do it privately without anyone knowing. Not to mention, Americans are led to believe our healthcare is superior to other countries. (No insult intended, I have no idea about healthcare in your country.)
Accordingly to testaments of local taxi driver to local police here in Bishkek, she asked taxi driver to drive her from central shopping mall (where she’s allegedly been kidnapped) in Bishkek to the junction of Togolok Moldo – Kievskaja streets. And local residents know, that this a location of Special Surgery Clinic, which used to serve in Soviet times local Comunist Party Head Ponchos. So abortion theory does not sound absurd in this light, especially taking into account that she’s been cheating on her husband and was going to join him soon.
And as an local resident I’d say, being kidnapped in Bishkek Central shopping mall sounds as absurd as stories of kids, skiving off from the schools.
Does not sound right. Sounds like absurd UFO kidnapping stories.
Kuba Kyrgyz:
Most of us agree the kidnapping story is hard to believe, but I personally am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. I think it sounds like she went to meet someone and thought she could get back in time to rejoin her group. I think something may have gone wrong…maybe an abduction, maybe a flat tire, whatever…and we are where we are today…she could be telling the whole truth or partial truth or no truth…
How do you know she was cheating on her husband?
What else are the local papers reporting? What else is in that area she asked the taxi to take her?
It is neat that you are there. Different perspective.
Kuba, the abortion theory is horseshit. Why would she do abortion in Kyrgyz roddom, when you can have access to much better facilities in the US?
I too share your unhappiness that this story reflects negatively on our country’s image but so do your very insulting comments regarding her physical appearance.
As one of the comments on yahoo news goes: my calculator can’t add all the facts up. Something is missing or should not be taken at face value. 1. It would take a complete dubf**k to nap a person from TsUM.
2. As Andy very well put it, we can pretty much exclude the bridenapping theory as she cannot produce what Kyrgyz men want – Kyrgyz babies, Kyrgyz housekeeping and Kyrgyz food.
3. Kidnapping by terrorists is also unlikely as they would not have simply let her go alive and unhurt. Had this been true, President Bakiev would’ve jumped on this opportunity to tighten screws and suppress the opposition even further.
I doubt that we will ever learn the truth. Our Interior Ministry adopted a “no comment” policy on this. The only news on this will be available from the Embassy and the AF media relations sources š
Best wishes to JM’s family and friends.
“Uhhh… excuse me Captcorajus… but just how long have you lived in Bishkek?.. or Kyrgyzstan. Before this happened… I doubt that you even knew that it existed…
I lived there. Kyrgyz don’t “bridenap” nonKyrgyz women..
There are plenty of enthnic Russians living in the area.. THEY don’t get “bridenapped”..”
That’s right. You seem to have first hand knowledge about situation in here.
In most cases, “bridenapping” is not a “bridenapping” as such. Usually, according to local traditions, parents of husband-to-be have to pay pretty lump sum of money to the parents of wife-to-be as a gift. Some families cannot pay that sum.
In this case, some couples in love, before getting married, decide to go “bridenapping” route, because this way parents of husband-to-be do not have to pay at all, according to tradition.
The woman is only happy to be “bridenapped” in this case. But she has to emulate whole thing, like tears in eyes, refusal to go into car, and blah-blah-blah.
Geniune “bridenappings” do happen although, but very likely to end up in prison term for the misfortunate “fiance”.
Gogi:
“but so do your very insulting comments regarding her physical appearance.”
I do not consider my comments about her appearance insulting. It just reflects reality, she is unlikely target for “bridenapping” for kyrgyz guys. She would look very unattractive for them by Kyrgyz standards. Being a Kyrgyz lad of Asian stock, I would not personnaly pick her out to get married.
But by European standards, she could be a pretty woman. And quite might be. So what? Things a relative in this world, kid, so are the standards of human beauty.
Most of us don’t have first hand knowledge about bride-napping, even if we may have heard of it. However, the military (AF atleast) has been mandating awareness training on human trafficking. The training we are receiving talks more about forced prostitution and slavery though. That was my first fear that she had been targeted because she was an attractive American woman…who got into a cab alone in a foreign country…for whatever reason.
Kuba,
Andy gave a much better explanation of why bridenapping was unlikely. Your explnation was an insult.
How about if you post your picture? Then I, referring to a difference in standards of beauty, will declare you ugly? š After all, what you offer cannot compete with what women offer, right? So you must be ugly as hell. According to my relative standards.
GTFO.
“Most of us agree the kidnapping story is hard to believe.
How do you know she was cheating on her husband?
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Well, I might have been a little bit too harsh on Jill Metzger, but given the circumstances, it is probably justified to consider all the possibilities.
This incongruent kidnapping story, just spawning around rumors in Kyrgyzstan. Some pieces in this jig-saw are missing. So, it natural thing, that people speading rumors, inventing guess-work stories, etc.
Local papers are keeping to abduction theory line.
This might be beneficiary case to our Government to crack down hard on the opposition.
One of the opposition leaders, Omurbek Tekebaev, was recently caught in Poland trafficking drugs (4 pounds of heroin to be precise). Allegedly, this was a setup.
The whole thing could be provocation from Kyrgyz Secret services.
Intrigued
“The training we are receiving talks more about forced prostitution and slavery though. That was my first fear that she had been targeted because she was an attractive American woman…who got into a cab alone in a foreign country…for whatever reason.”
Dear Ms. Intrugued,
It does not work like that in here, in Kyrgyzstan.
Usually, human traffickers put an ad in local papers like
“Job vacancies for waitresses are open in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Hurry up. Number of vacancies are limited. Attractive salary packages. Housing and food provided by employer. Blah-blah-blah.”
Some naive women belive in this kind of stuff. They voluntarily fly to their slavery, believing that the glorious future is awaiting for them.
Upon the arrival, their passports are taken away.
They are forced into prostitution. Thay are terribly beaten first into complete submission.
Usually police of country, where they enslaved, is corrupted too. They are bribed by human traffickers. No chance of escape without passport, no chance of flying back without money, documents.
It does not work like “kidnapping, forcing into car”… No. In contrary, they are led to their slavery by lies about their prospects. No sticks used, just carrots.
“Posted by: Gogi from KG at September 10, 2006 03:45 AM
Kuba
How about if you post your picture? Then I, referring to a difference in standards of beauty, will declare you ugly? š After all, what you offer cannot compete with what women offer, right?”
Gogi, you’ve probaly been smoking too much of horseshit recently to make a such a statement.
I’m saying that Jill is attractive by Caucasean standards, but might not be good looking gal from the point of view of Central Asian lads.
And yes, I might be an ugly bloke, with hair tufting fron my nose, Thanks to God, and I won’t be sexnapped by women with my repulsive appearance, Thanks to Lord. Are you satisfied, Gogi? Did we get even?
1) Ok, I’ll drop the abortion theory. Contraception makes wonders nowadays.
2) “Bridenapping” is just laughable. Follow previous posts, to see my point.
3) Islamic militants kidnapped her. Absurd.
Very unlikely event in Bishkek.
4) She went to say good by to her sweatheart before flying back to US.
That looks like very likely reason for me. Many things done in this world in the name of Love. Let me guess that she was having an affair with some local man. That’s not me, by the way, but I digress. Her duty in Manas airbase in Kyrgyzstan was ending. She was to fly to back home to US.
She felt an urge to see last time her lover.
We are all human, and humans are fallible, aren’t they? That’s what happened. No one came up with this guess.
I think that I am the only on to strike a nail right on the head here. Ta-dah, I deserved a pay rise.
I guess, that officials will stick to kidnapping. Convenient.
Pls. Check out following web site.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/07/world/asia/07kyrgyz.html?n=Top%2FNews%2FWorld%2FCountries%20and%20Territories%2FUnited%20States
U.S. Air Force Major Missing in Kyrgyzstan
Members of the military stationed at Manas are allowed to travel off the base only with permission and in groups. Major Metzger, who is assigned to the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was on an approved trip with co-workers, said Capt. Anna Carpenter, a spokeswoman for the air base.
Mr. Jangarayev said the group had separated in the store but agreed to meet later. When the rest of the group gathered, the major did not appear.
Mr. Jangarayev said that Major Metzger had friends in the city and that she was scheduled to leave Bishkek this week.
Kyrgyzstan, a small Central Asian republic, has allowed the United States to operate an air base at Bishkekās civilian airport since late 2001. There has been little anti-American sentiment in the population, and the country, once a remote part of the Soviet Union, is largely peaceful and open to outsiders.
Mr. Jangarayev said the pattern of her calls suggested that she might have been someoneās guest in Bishkek or had left with an acquaintance. But such a move would be highly unusual for a career American military officer, and the embassy declined to comment on such theories.
āI think at this point we just canāt speculate,ā Ambassador Yovanovitch said.
RS while you may think it is very “noble” of you to “come forward” with irrelevant personal details about Metzger; and while Deb thinks it is her moral duty to maliciously speculate about an officer she knows NOTHING about; and while LTC Tom thinks that’s all fine and dandy…let’s put this into perspective: YOU ARE GOSSIPING ON A BLOG. You are not nobly upholding the “core values” of your oath.
RS said, “Officers that keep their mouth shut about things that are wrong have a lack of integrity…” Shut up. You cannot honestly believe that your gossiping on a blog is in any way a mark of integrity!! If you’ve got important info that is crucial to the investigation, go render it to the proper authorities. But do NOT sit here in sanctimonious piety as if you’re doing your patriotic duty. You are a joke.
LTC Tom, you are one guy who has come forward to say that Deb is all that and a bag of chips, as if that’s relevant. You may be a sock puppet for all we know. Do you know how many other officers have come on this board and others to say that they KNOW Metzger and vouch for what a stellar officer she is? Do you know how much credence Deb G puts into all those testimonials? Zero. Deb is on this blog (and possibly others, considering her commitment to the subject at hand), supposedly with no agenda (according to her), and openly impugning the honor, integrity, and credibility of a fellow officer. All of that when there is no proof yet of anything, there is only speculation. Did you get that, Tom? No proof. And last I heard, one is innocent until proven guilty, not that that matters to Deb and RS. They are happy to wallow in gossip, and it reflects poorly on officers who should know better. FwdObsrvr called ’em REMFs. Ouch.
Happy Civilian said, “So, it is okay for an officer to lie about a kidnapping but RS can not give their opinion?” You have jumped to a conclusion based upon your own private angst. There has been no statement, nor proof that Metzger has lied. You have jumped to a conclusion that suits your agenda of “getting back” at Metzger and then somehow tried to tie that whole sordid mess into “this is why we’re in Iraq”. What kind psychosis is that? Please keep your soap opera off these blogs and tell your “boyfriend” that if you’ve got info that is important to the investigation, you will contact the authorities like an adult; instead of gossiping on a blog like a 5th grader.
My hunch is that if Kevin or JayTea ran a quick check on these comments, they will find that there has been a proliferation of sock puppets.
AF closely holding abduction story
http://www.currentargus.com/ci_4313410
US Military publication reports, Major Jill Metzger’s husband and father-in-law are both special agents working for the Office of Special Investigations (OSI).
http://newsblab.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
Kuba Kyrgyz is not telling the truth about bride-stealing. As I said earlier, I lived seven years in Naryn and knew of dozens of cases, several involving young women that I knew personally. These were forced abductions with no prior concent by the girl. Usually she “sat down” (thereby signalling concent) after she had been sexually tainted, or else simply out of fear.
I know of a single case in which the form of ala kachuu was played between a guy and girl who had arranged their marriage. (I knew them both well, and had argued with the young man for hours on several occasions that he should not follow the tradition.)
Now, none of this pertains to the case of Major Metzger because, as we all agree, ala kachuu occurs within the Kyrgyz culture. The only exception I know of was the Chinese/American woman who got nabbed off the street because she looked very Kyrgyz. She was turned loose a few blocks down the street when the ‘nappers realized they had a foreigner.
But I will not allow Kuba Kyrgyz to claim that ala kachuu is rare, or that it is usually concentual, or that the compensation paid afterwards in the form of livestock or money makes ala kachuu anything less than or other than kidnapping, rape and enslavement.
Redhead Infidel: Get over yourself. Not sure why you constantly pick me out of this entire board giving ONLY opinions and thoughts about this “story”. Everyone on this board, INCLUDING YOURSELF, is offering thoughts and opinions. YOU, however, are giving comments about posters on this board, rather than sticking to the topic at hand. You are so clueless and so angered – most likely at women…
One more thing:
Kuba Kyrgyz says: “Geniune “bridenappings” do happen although, but very likely to end up in prison term for the misfortunate “fiance”.”
I never heard of a single case of this happening. I know of several people who appealed to the police for help after a bridenapping, and not one single case where the law took action to defend the girl.
Redhead Infidel: I have been watching some of these posts and have read several and I assume you have an axe to grind in regards to Deb G. as you are, in fact, picking her out constantly for whatever reasons, even though others on this board have obviously spoken much worse of Jill Metzger and her character. You write why would someone write about her, its irrelevant, then WHY WOULD YOU WRITE ABOUT HER AND CONTINUE TO NEGATE HER, its irrelevant. You have some serious issues going on. Allow others to post what they feel is going on. I wonder why you are siding with Metzger as YOU DON’T KNOW HER EITHER or the real story……not sure what the hell a sock puppet is, but you seem to be one to this board and all involved in their free speach entitlements….go away, you’re a fungus…
p.s. Not that it matters, but I recall reading about Deb Gs Uncle at USASOC, it made some big news at Fort Bragg and the historical value of the fact he is one of the last surviving members of the Burma Road situation and what was the beginning of the Special Forces…quite the honor…
Because Deb’s behavior is unbecoming an officer. She ought to be held to a higher standard than the gossip-mongering rabble.
She can dish it out all she wants, but she shouldn’t have to take it? Is that what you’re saying, Mark?
At least Deb is here to “defend” herself from big old meanie me, but Metzger is not. How is that cool with you?
Redhead:
I am not jumping to conclusions based upon anger, I am forming a conclusion based upon facts. Perhaps you should do the same because you are representing yourself as an ill-informed officer.
Further, I have taken the emails to “authorities” when I was questioned for my ex-husbands top-secret clearance 1.5 years ago. My ex did not get his clearance, and surely if Miss Metzgers personal life is motivation for her “abduction” those emails will surface via the investigation – I was told they will remain on file for 11 years. After I was interviewed, I went about my life with a successful civilian career and didn’t think twice about Jill – only with relief that she saved me. I could have done many vindictive things such as involve her Commander when it was all happening, yet I did not. In retrospect, taking the high road as I saw it at the time was probably a mistake. I was a civilian and wanted nothing but to get on with my life, and I did. We are simply sharing our knowledge of Miss Metzgers charactor (which IS important since she is claiming an abduction in a friendly country which we are lucky to have as our allies).
At first I was hesitant to share my story as it leaves me a bit sick even having known this girl. As I read all the postings saying what a great person/officer Jill was I gave my side…simply saying a person isn’t always what they seem and look at ALL SIDES before forming a conclusion that she was kidnapped.
I wish that you would use some of your energy reading the news and the reports that Jills story doesn’t add up, and spend less of it attacking accomplished people like Deb G on this board for sharing their opinion.
Redhead Infidel: Great name by the way. Get the hell off this board you piece of shit. I happen to know the story about Deb G.s Uncle from getting his autograph while at USASOC. I am part of a Ranger Unit and this man was part of the 475th Rangers which originated the 75th Ranger group. Who the hell do you think you are openly putting down fellow officers who have done nothing, not made the news in regards to bombs being put in back pockets and so on. Maj. G has more integrity in her pinky than Metzger has making the news regarding being abducted by aliens!
You disgust me and are a complete hypocrit as you sit hidden behind your keyboard attacking anyone and everyone who posts opinions here. You are a stupid ass jungle shit who knows nothing…
hahahahahah you are making a fool out of yourself…..
Deb G, supposedly an officer, claims she knows Metzger, and emphatically states she is exactly like the Runaway Bride. And she says this, “I have a gut feeling that Jill is AWOL. Given her past history of cheating – which I have heard before and her going to be leaving the area in 3 days. It is possible, she left with a man she was having an affair with while stationed there and then mysteriously appears 3 days later. STay tuned…
And this is OK with you? Gossiping and maliciously speculating about Metzger when she’s not here to defend herself, before ANY of the facts are known, and then trying to cower behind the supposed reputation of her medaled relatives, as if that boosts her credibility. That’s just pathetic.
Deb, don’t try to pose as if you were just rendering an opinion on a news story – you blatantly aired personal dirty laundry in order to make Metzger look bad. I wonder what your illustrious relatives would think about that? Well, no really, I couldn’t care less.
Redhead: You have some serious mental issues going on in your head. I have not dished out in a long time about my opinions regarding Jill Metzger’s situation. I offered my opinions yesterday and not since. You, on the other hand, keeping bringing my name up. I truly am beginning to think you might know me at Fort Bragg and are actually quite jealous of my own accomplisments. Again, my conduct is not unbecoming, however, yours is. You do not know me, do not know Jill and do not know the folks on the board. Jill’s situation has made national media attention and yes, she is an example of the USAF. Anyone and everyone is entitled to throw out theories and thoughts and opinions. There is no reason to post against someone on this board who offers an opinion. What is up with you??? You have no idea what conduct unbecoming is….
I think you like me – you sure offer me a lot of attention even though I have posted NOTHING about Jill Metzger since yesterday and others have gone on with stories and opinions, however, you don’t post back to them….I am glad I have become a fan of yours!
Redhead: LOLOLOL. I am so happy I have become a fan of yours! A high percentage of people on this board have posted nearly the same info.
You are a clown……do you have any other causes to go and take care of which you know nothing about??
I stand strong with my conduct and your false interpretation of my thoughts are laughable…