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Airforce Major Jill Metzger, stationed at Manas Air Base, was shopping in a Kyrgyzstan mall with friends when she disappeared.
From CNN:
(CNN) — A U.S. Air Force officer is missing after a trip to a shopping mall in Kyrgyzstan, a U.S. military statement said Wednesday.
Maj. Jill Metzger, with the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was last seen shopping at the Zum Shopping Center with others from the Manas Air Base when she disappeared on Tuesday, the statement said.
“Major Metzger was last seen wearing a green sweater and blue jeans,” the statement said.
“She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She is in excellent athletic condition.”
Military Web sites describe Metzger as a top-flight marathoner.
Both the Kyrgyz police and the US military are searching for her:
BISHKEK, September 6, 2006 (RFE/RL) — Kyrgyzstan’s Interior Ministry and National Security Service say they have launched a joint operation to locate the U.S. air servicewoman who disappeared on September 5 in Bishkek.
The woman, who has been identified as Major Jill Metzger, is working at the U.S. Manas military air base, near Bishkek.
Manas air base public affairs officer Ann Carpenter told RFE/RL’s Kyrgyz Service that Metzger disappeared while shopping at Bishkek’s main department store (TsUM) with other U.S. base members.
“The [U.S.] 376th Air Expeditionary Wing base officials are working with the U.S. Embassy and local officials to locate the servicemember as soon as possible,” Carpenter added.
The U.S. Embassy in Bishkek has issued pictures of a blonde woman as part of the search operation.
Let’s hope she’s found quickly.
Update: Maj. Metzger was supposed to return home on Thursday and went to the mall to buy souvenirs for her family.
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Wizbanger, to address some things in your comments to me…
“Personally… I think you are being a tad on the “I’m Jill’s friend, so lay off” side…”
You’re only assuming that I’m Jill’s friend because I haven’t said anything against her.
You invited me to debate with you on some environmental and social issues and ask “OR do you even THINK about it. Are you more prone to FEEL about something than to THINK about it?” It’s a valid question. And I can see how you would get annoyed by people who just come to say “I know Jill and she is good.” Somehow though it hasn’t bothered you when people have come to the blog to say “I know Jill and she is bad.” You seem to me to be an analytical person. A person prone to, as you put it, THINK about things more than FEEL about things. Certainly both types of people have their merits. And certainly, the feeling and thinking are not mutually exclusive. Many people came to this board in the first place because the story of a missing major evoked an EMOTIONAL resposive. They felt something. And still as people began to question the story, their continued presence on this board has been fueled by both what the FEEL and what they THINK. I get the feeling that you feel that you have a place on this blog because you THINK and that I don’t because, in your opinion, I FEEL. I think that it’s become pretty apparent that this is far from an academic arena.
“When people come on here and start defending Jill without T H I N K I N G about what happened, then I have a tough time with just accepting what they have to say, because they haven’t thought about it. Nor, as it seems in your case, have they looked into it.” I have read the news articles. I have read people’s opinions here and on other boards. Just because I’m not jumping in with my own theories doesn’t mean that I haven’t thought about. And just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean that you should use that as evidence that I haven’t thought about it. You invite me to argue with you about global warming and starvation amongst children. Yet it doesn’t seem that debate is welcome on THIS issue. If I choose not to join your way of thinking then I am accused of not thinking at all. Not just me either – when someone writes in opposition to the majority opinion on this board, they are basically told to go away.
OK Deb G
If your comments are about a POTENTAILLY failed officer, use your freedom of speech and have at it. That is why this blog site is labeled Jill Metzger
If I was a halfwit terrorist and lets say I am…. with a short review I could learn the following about you:
1. You spent most of 11 Sept blogging on this site (guess you took leave or had a pass then)
2. You probaly work for or near USASOC / FT Bragg and are familiar will intel (blogging all day keeps you from helping find OBL????)
3. You are a proven sock puppet.
4. You bash anyone who disagrees with you.
5. You & your small group of office friends back your blogging under assumed names. If you don’t believe this, IP addresses can be located. Remember how you threatened RHI?
6. You claim that others “have no ideal how complex intel situtions are”.
7. You claim to be a military officer proudly wearing the uniform.
8. You claim that you (@13yo) and your family were abducted by Russian Soldiers in east berlin and held against your wills.
9. You claim to be a tri-athlete
10. You threaten other that you can get there IP addresses. OBTW the COMSOCOM might be interested in your IP address, if he was referred to your rantings on this blog.
11. You first claimed to be married and then claimed that you devorced your husband, an LTC “against his will” for infidelity after 12 months.
12. You claim to own a house and a few race horses.
13. You claim that US intel “digs into mental profiles”
14. You claim to be swamped at work but still blog all day long.
15. You claim to have helped a baby pidgeon fly when you were 10yo???
16. You claim “mailmen are FBI agents, lawncare folks are CIA and the beat goes on” 110818SEP06
17. “You claim the highest military officials and intel and FBI and CIA and DIA use multiple personality techniques to gather information” 131352SEP06
18. You claim to be “a scorned woman so beware” 131555SEP06
19. You claim to be born & raised on a military base and in the military.
20. You claim to have been deployed. Where JRTC, NTC or the Winsor Hotel in Tampa?
Thats only a few of your claims from 9-14 Sep.
Its not the DEB-G letting halfwitted terrorist know her life story and occupation blogs.
It is the MAJ Jill Metzger blog
I need you to explain to me again the definition of OPSEC?, I I wonder what you have revealed from 15 SEP until 2 OCT?
Jethro
DEB-G
Oh I forgot, when someone provokes you tend to answer in a pattern of two blogs, sometimes three if you think your ego threatened.
I took your advice and re-read “Os” 29 Sept comment to this blog site. I didn’t see your name mentioned.
Why did you bash him (her per your superior intel analysis)
Jethro
Deb G. – sickening’s post make perfect sense if you can read sarcasm.
Furthermore, regarding your statement “However, when people come on here bashing others and theories of others, that IS MAKING RULES and trying to be controlling.” The thing that amuses me the most is that you are so against this “bashing” yet you do nothing but BASH Jill Metzger! You do nothing but THEORIZE about Jill Metzger! You do the same things to this woman that you do not want others to do to you! It’s incredibly ironic. Also, the thing about “bashing” is that it’s all about perception. If I were as sensitive as you are, I would say that you have been bashing me.
Jethro: ROFLMAO: You indeed ARE obsessed with me and why would you care about any of the above????? Freaky really. oh, not that I care, but you are really wrong about 99.9% of what is posted above and/or twisted the real facts. I don’t even know of half of what you speak. I have to tell you, thank God you are not an intel person because your facts are weak, don’t believe most of what you see on blog areas or anywhere for that fact. For the record, I have ONLY been blogging under Deb G., which is even more of a concern regarding you for thinking differently. I don’t bash people, I defend myself and others.
I don’t really care what you say or what you think. However, I asked Kevin to post the fact I have only been bloggin under me. I don’t blog all day from work – re-read the times of my posting and I am not at work now. Oh, did I say that, because that means a terrorist is coming to my door!
and Laugh my flying ars off at the very thought of you writing that post about terrorists reading for info……Reality check Jeth, I highly doubt a terrorist is in here collecting info. on a blogger, especially since this is a very simple Where is Jill Metzger site. So, take your obsession, take a deep breath and breath slowly and perhaps your near edge of insanity will come back……Nice try on rattling me though, doesn’t work sorry. You are merely a cyber troll to me. sorry. As far as O, re-read ALL the posts, ALL of them. Again, I don’t care what he said or you say for that matter and I don’t remember the things people post against me BECAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING…..except jealousy and the inability to accept reality or people for that matter….
for the record: you are soooooooooo far off on your thoughts, so far……judging from your above posts, I wish there were more like me, sure would have terrorists spinning in circles…
If you are writing a book on me though, I take photograph better from the right side, wait, maybe the left, ah heck, whatever….
Something else Deb G. You said “I am not bashing anyone on this board. Just seems many come on here to support Jill Metzger.” Is supporting Jill Metzger on this board not allowed according to the rules of Deb G??
jethro…you forgot that Deb’s uncle is a famous Merrill’s Marauder. Combine that data with all the other snippets of info she’s heedlessly cluttered this blog with (her VA “battles”, licensed diver, took flight lessons, etc.) it took me all of 6 1/2 minutes to find out exactly who Deb G really is. I wish I could brag that I’m an internet WIZ (pardon the awful pun), but it really was embarrassingly easy. PERSEC apparently is not a concern for her.
Deb G. said: “I do have reason to monitor this board, of which you would never comprehend.”
“Reason to monitor?” A silly bluff, or is this an assignment? One wonders… It would certainly explain a lot obout her personal investment in the gossip on this blog.
And now with her name and duty station, it might not be too hard to find out…
DM/internet flunky: I don’t care if someone supports Jill Metzger. Why would I? However, I do find this twistingly hypocritical because YOU two (and a few others) DO CARE ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO DON’T SUPPORT HER. Isn’t that strange? IF: Do you REALLY think I would post my real name on here?? Come on now. IF: If I was on this board for any real work related reason or any uh, let’s see what you might be thinking, secretive reason -would I have EVER written something like that??
Folks, get real, this is not rocket science – people come on here to blog, good or bad about Metzger – it really does not matter, especially to me – I could really care less if someone likes her or does not. I do, however, have fun providing theories, reading insight and some intelligent bloggers info. and what not, even more fun and entertainment reading posts like from the two of you…….Let’s see here: I guess you BOTH believe Metzger was abducted, read a note, bomb in pocket, blah blah blah???? Well good for you – VERY SMART (pat on head), very very good (gold star on head), good for you, now kids, just understand that others might not agree with that so play nice – do you know what play nice means – didn’t think so and I am glad comrades like you are NOT really in my life, just cyberspace – air really….
Now, folks like you are the bashers, folks like me (and Julie & Wizbanger Poster and so on) are the defenders, the realists, the ones who play nice, but don’t cower to lowly infidels like YOU
Compromise of operations security or an opsec violation would be the disclosure of critical information useful in time to compromise a military operation. Don’t see it and don’t see a compromise of any in progress or planned military operation either.
See no indicators of in-progress or planned to be implemented operations being discussed other than suggestions of what a known investigation might discover or not discover and what might or might not be disclosed after the investigation is completed.
Do see lots of attack the person activity.
Deb, slow down girl. Lord, do you really wanna be insulting and pissing off someone who could potentially blab your name on this blog? Think about it…
And what’s with the “infidel” reference? That’s more than one-off.
DEB-G,
Nice try with the bluff that I am not rattling you…..
Lets test one of your lies you just related to cover your 4th point of contact…
“I don’t blog all day from work, re-read the times”
OK, let me pick an average work day..say Thursday 14 September,
your blog times are as follows 0735, 1026, 1028, 1935 2001, 2050, 2054, 2057 etc . Most officers are issued laptops, unclassified versions that are allowed to be used at their billets.
Were you on leave or pass on the 14th? or shall I go on to another day?
You did claim to go to work early and leave late protecting our freedom, didn’t you?
OH shit…… what if your supervisors find out.
Keep up the ranting, I’ll keep up the research and notify the appropriate authorities…Hmmm maybe my FBI mailman or CIA lawn care specialist.
Last time I checked we are at WAR, lives are on the line, and you….. a self professed intel officer with enough knowledge to be dangerous…….. are wasting your duty day blogging instead of working…..then showing the INTEGRITY of the officer corps you deny using your workplace computer……feel like parsing words to explain this to us?
Still waiting for my OPSEC education.
Nice try…..
Jethro
Lurker: You’re kidding me right? I certainly hope you don’t think my name is Deb G.??? That actually stands for an abreviation of something and is NOT my name.
Infidel? You don’t understand that one. Read through the lines – you have several folks on here bashing (me mostly 🙂 and supporting an AF Officer who has betrayed the world basically and would compete against anyone in this blog area for anything she would want over you – including your boyfriend or husband. Folks on here JUST DON’T GET IT.
I do find it strange that whenever ANYONE comes on here with something negative against Metzger, that there is a crew lurking ready to pounce on anyone doing that (mostly me again :-). There is NO interest in what really happened, no genuine concern about the deceit and betrayal and so on, just angry folks in here pouncing on people and taking out aggression behind a computer. I have no anger, no aggression, and my character is strong yet calm….however, I am finding it amusing the bashing going on in here….funny really
I certainly hope you don’t think my name is Deb G.??? That actually stands for an abreviation of something and is NOT my name.
Haha. Now, that is a lie – a desperate one. It proves that you have compromised your integrity beyond repair. Also puts everything else you’ve written here into a very clear perspective for me.
You once bluffed that you had someone’s IP address and that you would post it here. That was an amateur bluff. Trust me, young lady, I am NOT an amateur and I am NOT bluffing.
Jeth buddy: You are as stupid as they come, truly. I don’t owe you ANY explanation of who I am, what I do, where I work, what computer I am on. I do, however, KNOW you are obsessed with ME, not the fact of Jill Metzger gone crazy, but ME. For whatever reason I bother you so much is alarming and my curiosity peaks as your inner mentality allowing ME (a blog site blogger) to get to you. I am NOT a self proclaimed intel Officer so GET OVER IT (or me for that fact). My life is NONE of your business and for the record, I am not the one who claimed to be abducted, read a note, follow in a trance, get in a car, make a few phone calls, beat up my kidnapper wahahahahahah silly silly rabbit, tricks are for KIDS and a kid you are – puppy really
Nice try – next? You have added some entertainment to the lull on this blog. Heck YOU obviously cannot figure out the truth behind Metzger so let’s see, I’m bored, let’s figure out who Deb G. is…… 🙂 fun again, your above theories on me are WRONG WRONG WRONG….again, I am glad you are not involved in intel. or the investigation into what really happened to Metzger…geesh
IF: You make no sense. Not sure why I have become important to any of you right now – boredom? I am sorry, but I have some things to do and cannot stay here and play with you….and I also do not understand the obsession with ME…..very very odd
IF: When I come back, I will post the IP address I have for a previous blogger, name included if you would like.
I don’t use my IM for blog sites, kind of like you using internet flunky and I don’t use my real name for two laptops I have….now, still trying to figure me out??? Strange of any of you to even remotely care who I am…..who cares….
One last thing because I have to leave:
I have noticed that if ANYONE pays a compliment to ANYONE else, the little elves come out and pounce on the complimented person with good theories and views and insight (NO, not just me). It happens every single time. Jealousy for sure and possibly the inner feeling of the ones bashing to feel inadequate for not coming up with thought or theory themselves….hmmmmmm, a new blog “What are the reasons people bash bloggers?”
Have a good night, will try to be back later…
DEB-G,
You are in way over your head and you know it……so rattled you broke your pattern of 2-3 answers to bash people and hit me with 4 seperate blogs…..
Your internet blogs cannot be removed and will identify you to your superiors in the very near future……..
starting to sweat? considering changing your internet carrier at home to change your IP address?
That may work at home, but your still in a big fix……your dereliction of duty at the workplace computer & blogs will identify you by your IP address in a second…..
Tomorrow is a good the time to see your superiors and give your mea culpa before they get the news….
As to your continuous lies in blog 031839OCT06
“I am not a self proclaimed intel officer” conflicts with your 091151SEP06 blog….. “I am a military officer”…. “I deal with intelligence daily”
Don’t call me Buddy, we are not friends and will never be.
In my professional opinion, you are an embarassment to Officer corp and I am more ashamed of you. Your blogs demonstrate your conduct is unbecoming to the Officer corps and predjudicial to the good order and discipline of the Army.
More so than all your unproven theories about Major Jill Metzgers conduct.
If you are really an officer you need resign.
Jethro
I don’t see Paris, I don’t see France but I do see self destructing and wearing of typing fingers to the bone for no productive or useful reason other than providing good example of intolerance out of self defense.
I do see obsession but I also see being baited and played. “beaucoup de bruit, de peu de fruit” [The more the boast, the less the result]. The problem with claiming what one is capable of doing is it creates an image of yourself for others and when the challenge is issued to demonstrate ability to do the claim, such challenge often brings with it potential of debasing self.
Interesting paradox, two persons making claims of what they are capable of doing concerning retribution–both keeping wounds bleeding. I don’t know what will result but I’m not switching channels as this is getting good.
DM————
This is what I posted on Sep-8th
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“Listen… I don’t know “Jill” from the Jack in the Box… BUT, … There was no ABDUCTION!!!
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“Personally… I think you are being a tad on the “I’m Jill’s friend, so lay off” side…”
You’re only assuming that I’m Jill’s friend because I haven’t said anything against her.—-
No, I am not assuming that you are her friend. I said “you are being – a tad on the – I’m Jill’s friend, so lay off – SIDE.. In other words, you are giving her the benefit of the doubt. From the beginning, I have not given her that benefit because her story was in-cred-ible (too extraordinary and improbable to be believed).
I admit that my position from the start was not sympathetic toward Major Metzger, simply due to the fact that I believe she has been lying! By the process of deduction, I formed an opinion and I believe it to be a valid one, one which has probability written all over it. So far, things seem to be leaning toward my opinion. At this point in the discussion, I am not going to change it. Barring any negative comments posted here and elsewhere, Jill seems have done a pretty good job of discrediting her own integrity and credibility.
With regard to the “invitation to debate environmental and social issues”… that was more of a rhetorical question. You see, I FEEL badly about the issues because I believe that those who are in a position to do something have failed, or are failing, to do the right thing. Probably at a level which would be too appalling to even contemplate and at a cost which never be fully comprehended. I have seen the most desperate of poverty and hunger stricken people. Right there in the capital of Kyrgyzstan!! People trying to live on $25 a month. Elderly, street children, lame, and other disabled individuals. This world is a very sick place to live in.
If you were THINKING about what happened in the Jill Metzger saga, you would know that her ‘story’ is about as infantile as one can get. Back pocket bombs, trance inducing notes, thieves who overlook the obvious, physically overpowering kidnappers, haircuts, hair dyes, and a litany of other ‘unexplainable’ events. Experience in the military tends to give people an additional dimension about these things, it is, after all, a military situation we are discussing.
Do I ‘feel’ something about all this? Yes, I do. I feel for the military personnel now confined to a place which you have little concept of. I feel for her husband who will have some very difficult decisions to make in the near future. I feel for her parents and immediate family members who will have to schlep the name of Jill Metzger into infamy.
I feel for her co-workers and friends who have been betrayed. I feel for every American who lives or visits Bishkek and will be asked embarrassing questions about our Military, or “Jill” in particular. I feel for you and for me, because we have to endure the system which will, instead of treating her like the perpetrator, attempt to make her a victim. In the final analysis it will cost us all something!!
And yes, you have a place on this blog. Perhaps you can explain to us how we have overlooked something that would, at best vindicate Major Metzger, and at worst show us how we have failed in our process of coming to the conclusions we have arrived at.
There are some very insightful people here. One, for whom I am grateful, is Jocha, who with his years of experience has been able to refute some opinions and conclusions. Are we academia personified? No, but I am also thankful that we are not some fold of sheep being herded about. Perhaps, just perhaps, more people ought to start questioning and forming their own opinions. Perhaps we should start teaching critical thinking skills in kindergarten so that citizens will quit listening to CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, and all the others with “Breaking NEWS!!”..
I’m not here to persuade you, and if you have come to persuade me, I hope you packed a lunch. I like to do my own thinking, thank you. As to whether you stay or go, that will be your decision, however I warn you, this place is not for the faint of heart.
In addition, it was probably foolhardy for me to come back here, since it is really out of our realm now. The decision makers are sitting somewhere now considering the options and thinking damage control. Neither you nor I, will ever really know what happened in Bishkek between September 6 and 9 of 2006.
I’ll close with this.. and I quote you: “If I choose not to join your way of thinking then I am accused of not thinking at all. Not just me either – when someone writes in opposition to the majority opinion on this board, they are basically told to go away.” Present your well thought out opinion to Jocha…he’s very objective about things.. When you’re finished let me know what you think.. I’ll be sitting up there in the balcony listening to your debate.
Holy Sh!t Jethro…. That sounded an aweful lot like an actual threat. You might want to sit down and have a nice cup of “Shut the F(ck Up!” What ever personal information that she cares to share about herself is her business. The fact that you’re expending even a nano-second to track information on this individual crosses the line into creepy factor.
Buster…and you don’t think the hours, days, and weeks that Deb et al have spent here speculating on Metzger’s sex life, her husband’s sex life, her marriage, her menstrual period, her cosmetic ability (or lack thereof) hasn’t crossed the line into the “creepy factor”??! Puhleeze! These people are fixated – long after other people have moved on to other issues! They themselves have crowed about how obsessed they are.
Creep factor, indeed.
I am sorry, but I have some things to do and cannot stay here and play with you….
Awww…running away, Deb? Where’s all the silly cries of “Kevlars, ho!” or whatever? For a gal who lives on this site day in and day out – you sure have abandoned your little “foxhole” right quick!
When I come back, I will post the IP address I have for a previous blogger, name included if you would like.
Please do. If you know who Arros G. is, who made an ugly comment earlier, spill it.
Strange of any of you to even remotely care who I am…..who cares….
Why don’t you ask yourself that question, dear? You’ve made yourself the central player here. A little curiosity is normal, wouldn’t you say? About as normal as you and your pals caring about when Jill Metzger’s period was, maybe?
Hurry back, Deb G. – looking forward to it.
Ok, I’m back. Where were we? Sent an email to Kevin and checked the Wizbang Privacy Policy (read it yourself, there is one) as well. Here is my conclusion:
A. I will not post a name or IP address of someone here. Not worth it nor does it mean anything about anything or prove anything
B. Not going to stoop to the low level of threats on this blog lately for no reason at all
C. I have much better things to do
Another lurker: This blog was set up for people to post in regards to Jill Metzger, that is why it is here. Just like millions of blogs all over the world for people to go to and post what they want to. Also, you keep coming on here for hours, days and weeks posting against bloggers and bashing and relaying this that and the other words of wisdom, that, to me is creepy…..serious issues going on with someone’s obsession in putting down another blogger. If you think I don’t have a right to return myself and post back then you have even more issues than I thought. I should ignore peeps like you doing this, but what the heck, no harm in a response, although it is clear you and the rest of you cannot handle when myself or others response to you – you call it bashing, what do you call what you are doing? Thought so.
Jeth buddy (meaning informal address – very informal) and a type of slanted and comical approach because, NO, you are not my friend nor do I want you to be. Nor do I care. I am not sweating – your post is hilarious as well as your speculations of my character. You are so very way off that your theories about Jill Metzger are most likely way off too. Wait, you don’t have any because your time is spent on ME (thank you for the attention), and your threats are immature and fruitless to anything on this blog. You and the rest who post against bloggers is beyond creepy, hypocritical and means nothing. You and your bashing crew have absolutely nothing better to do. The rest of us come here to put our brains together, have some fun, speculate, theorize, listen to others and challenge ourselves with what could have happened in regards to an abduction which might not have occurred, but which made headlines on the news. The rest of you who bash us need to create your own blog entitled “Jill Metzger for President, we love her and let us tell you why you BETTER too”
So, enough playing silly games, but I will stay tuned for any new info. and theories coming from this site….
Finally: Who cares who I am folks. It is meaningless to anything on this blog, meaningless. My theories are in regard to an AF Major who claims to have been abducted and you do NOT see the big picture. Get a grip….
run, debra, run.
Internet F: I don’t come here day in and day out -re-read my posts and times. Thank you very much. You obviously do, however. I don’t remember all the players and comments here. I don’t really care as much as you do.
I don’t run away. Would have done that LONG ago on this site. YOU run away – where have you been for weeks????
YOU, DEAR, HAVE MADE ME THE CENTRAL PLAYER HERE, not I, YOU and your followers. Are you Redheaded Infidel? ah, who cares. I am sure you are someone who has been on here though. You sound angry and jealous and miserable, yes, just like some others who have been on here. I do find it amazing that you are curious about me and not as curious about the Metzger situation. Strange actually.
You really need to grow up…..and take some Paxil or something.
Internet fluke: You fail and are lousy at speculations and theories, thus, that is why you don’t join the rest of us in them, because my name is NOT Debra, sorry, you lose….
A very poor loser you are indeed….
You won’t give the IP address and name because you don’t have it, Debra. Another lie you’ve told and been caught in.
You know how I know you don’t have it? Because you’re clueless how these blogs are set up. You can’t see the IPs unless you are the blog owner – that’s how the blog owner outed you as a sock puppet in the first place.
By the way, just because it’s irking me I should tell you that this article is not a “blog”, it is a “post”. Wizbang is the blog, Kim Priestap is the “blogger” and Where is AF Major Jill Metzger is the “post”. Get it? And YOU are not a blogger, you are a “commenter”. A blogger is one who actually sets up a blog and authors their own posts. You’ve commented on someone else’s post.
Oh, sorry, my bad. Debrarose.
different lurker: Thank you for the education, may I have my degree now? I could care less about what is a blog or a post or a comment – really now, this is getting silly and absurd, and you really NEED to go on-line and look up blog sites and IP address verification. More than just the “blog owner” can see an IP address – you better KNOW your own facts because you tell someone else they are clueless little girl – get it? Again, I don’t care who is on this site, who knows me, who does not know me, what computer I am on, what IP address I have, who cares…..I have to ask – exactly what harm have I done to you or others? Thought so, NOTHING LMAO – you must be bored to spend even a thought on who I am…..WHO CARES. It means nothing. Why are you not curious as to who is Julie or Wizbang Poster or Buster or anyone else on here for that matter?????? here is some facts for you: I don’t care what the difference between a blog is or a comment or a post, really I don’t. I also don’t get paid to know that. I don’t really know the whole blog language because, contrary to what you might believe, I don’t spend any time in blogs (or is it posts or comments or whatever) other than HERE so, your rants are very child like….
I really need to go to bed soon so for all those curious about me and for the one who thinks I am running, try not to miss me and have a nice night. I hope you are able to sleep tonight regardless of your anger, misery and curiosity and may my lack of “blog knowledge” not make you too upset…….oh yes, for the record, my name is not Debra and every time I see you write that I LAUGH knowing how wrong you are and how foolish it looks. Kind of like putting a bunch of police officers in a line-up and then the supposed victim picks one out for attention and sympathy. Well, you have my sympathy, but little of my attention because I will rest peacefully as soon as I walk away from this blog, er, post, er comment because it means NOTHING to me…..
(hmmmm, I wonder if they have blogging 101 at local college)….
Internet Fluke: LMAO, still not the real name, sorry….we are smarter than to build laptops, thus, IP addresses with real names, but keep trying.
This is just really boring and immature.
I do hope you have sweet dreams though.
IF: Pretty name though, wish it were mine. We don’t use real names…..
Have a good night and hope your boredom can bring you to find out what happened to Metzger….
Deb, who is “we”?
My bottom line on Jill Metzger saga is this:
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Jill Metzger’s story is kept very low profile in Kyrgyz media. Kyrgyz Police adopted “No comments” policy. Kyrgyz Government is trying to hush up things out there about Jill.
That NTS broadcast I mentioned was not on prime time, and not many people saw that.
US Government probably asked Kyrgyz Government to hush-hush things. Probably, because the real Jill Metzger story is too embarassing for USAF.
Our cops aren’t commenting things openly in public. But, I bet, they are discussing things home with their spouses. Information leaks despite non-disclosure orders. Here the “Sarafan radio” factor comes into play. Cops definitely discovered something. “Sarafan radios” in Bishkek are gossiping about Jill’s abortion. Whole Kyrgyzstan is giggling “Oh, that whore.” Because rumors spread fast.
The nice exit for USAF and Kyrgyzstan from situation would be “Hypnotizing Indian Fakirs robbing people” storyline. That’ll be good compromise for both Kyrgyz and US sides.
But, if Western media will try to sing “Kyrgyz islamic terrorists” or “Kyrgyz bride abduction customs” song again, that’ll be grand mistake.
International Herald Tribune is trying to orchestrate that tune, but I hope, they’ll be told to shut up. Because, USAF desperately needs airbase in Kyrgyzstan.
And, for God’s sake, what happened is not Jill’s fault. I tend to blame procedures and regulations here. There should have been nicely written contingency instructions about what to do in “woman got pregnant in the Army service not from husband” situation. Because these kind of things do and will happen.
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The nosey Russian journalist guys seem to performed some private investigations on Jill Metzger gone missing subject. And they are talking also about abortion after talking to Kyrgyz cops.
The full article in Russian language and URL:
(Text is too long, I’m not going to translate that.)
http://www.vlasti.net/index.php?Screen=news&id=173676
Тайна пропажи Джил Метцгер – американской майорши с киргизской авиабазы “Ганси”
Как глубоко закрученный детективный роман, в котором до самого конца не ясна правда, напоминает история вокруг исчезновения 5-го и появления 9-го сентября 2006 года 33 летнего майора авиабазы Манас” Джил Метцгер.
Какие только фантастические версии ее пропажи не выдвигались, начиная с того, что она разведчица и проводит спецоперацию по интересующей США российской авиабазе в Канте, вплоть до того, что из нее готовят шахидку” смертницу.
Для ее поисков была создана специальная группа из лучших сотрудников МВД и СНБ, задействованы другие силы и средства, отвлеченные от другой работы, так как одной из версий было похищение исламскими религиозными экстремистами, которым недавно на юге республики был нанесен смертельный удар, Также как неожиданно пропала, так и неожиданно появилась Джил, сама придя в дом одной из жительниц Ыссык-Атинского района.
Допрос и медицинская экспертиза показали, что майора не избивали, не насиловали, вообще она была в хорошем самочувствии, без волнения и стандартных в таких случаях эмоциональных переживаний как-то заученно заявила, что ее похитили неизвестные возле ЦУМ А и несколько дней держали взаперти, после чего ей удалось успешно сбежать.
Хотелось бы поверить физически тренированной военнослужащей не какой-нибудь а целой армии США, однако много неясного. Как если ее похитили две женщины, она не оказала им сопротивления, закричала в конце концов, место возле ЦУМА людное, да и стражей порядка там всегда много или она сама хотел? стать похищенной”.
Именно на эту мысль наталкивают обстоятельства ее исчезновения, а также та степень тайны, которой окружили данную историю сотрудники Посольств? США в Кыргызской Республике и военные авиабазы Манас”. Теперь давайте посмотрим, зачем ей было это надо, первая версия: прощание с бойфрэндом. возможно, но не так долго. Все больше мы журналисты, да н наши источники в Посольстве США и МВД подтверждают, что причина насколько банальна. настолько и серьезна, а теперь держитесь – женщина Джил просто сделала себе АБОРТ, перед отъездом домой в США где ее ждет любимый” муж. Эта версии правдоподобна, так как до окончания контракта ей оставалось два дня, Уф, а мы то думали террористы, экстремисты, а это просто супружеская измена, понимаем, далеко от мужа, скучная армейская бытовуха… с кем не случается.
Но с другой стороны, история с пропажей гражданки США еще раз в нехорошем свете показала нашу РОДИНУ, в этой связи было бы мужественным и демократичным со стороны Посольства открыто заявить о результатах следствия, а не покрывать все мраком тайны, какая бы горькая она не была, но это будет правда, чтобы впредь такого не случалось. Или как обычно в детектива нам надо самим догадываться где белое, где черное.
Удивляет закрытость МВД, СНБ н Прокуратуры по вопросу американки, где же демократия, свобода получения информации, налогоплательщики имею: право знать результаты поисков пропавшей, на которые были потрачены их деньги, или все о США у нас табу как в 37 году.
Владимир Тюряев
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Jethro..Your postings lead me to the inescapable conclusion that you are not the most astute individual…. You need to get over it…discord and debate is a good thing.
You are building a statement that only exists in your mind. The statements do not add to your conclusion. Many military officers deal with intelligence daily, but they are not Intelligence officers….For instance, a Captain needs to know where the subsurface threat is, but isn’t an intel officer….
>As to your continuous lies in blog 031839OCT06
>”I am not a self proclaimed intel officer” >conflicts with your 091151SEP06 blog….. “I am a >military officer”…. “I deal with intelligence >daily”
In your “professional opinion”…would that be as a military officer, or as a plumber? You have made statements about someone as a professional, but I am not assured that you really know what a “professional” is (as proven by your earlier comment)…although I don’t doubt that you saw the movie
Your statement:
>In my professional opinion, you are an >embarassment to Officer corp and I am more >ashamed of you. Your blogs demonstrate your >conduct is unbecoming to the Officer corps and >predjudicial to the good order and discipline of >the Army.
BTW: Nice sounding language to try and scare someone…I bet it would scare you….. Get a grammar checker…your internal one isn’t working….and knock off the ad hominem attack. You can look up “ad hominem” Wikipedia if you need to….
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And, for God’s sake, what happened is not Jill’s fault. I tend to blame procedures and regulations here. There should have been nicely written contingency instructions about what to do in “woman got pregnant in the Army service not from husband” situation. Because these kind of things do and will happen.
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Author: Kuba Kyrgyz
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If pregnancy and need to deceptively hide it is the cause I steadfastly disagree with any suggestion, claim, or opinion what happened was not the person’s fault and result of wrong, bad, or faulty policies. Women get pregnant in military service not from husband either because they are not married or because the commit adultery all the time. The fault is the person’s moral character and improper decision and action. The misfortune was only unconvinced at the most by where and when the pregnancy happened more so than from the results of policies on such matters.
The person’s moral character determined her destiny a destiny that was not predetermined by policies. I’m sorry but God’s sake had nothing to do with this other than make it clear she is in need of a prayer or two and perhaps she needs to pray more and have sex less.
“Yahoo! Babelfish” Russian-to-English translation of Kuba’s article:
Secret of the loss Of dzhil Of mettsger
American mayorshi from the Kirghiz air base Of “gansi” As the deeply twisted detective novel, in which to the end itself is not clear the truth, resembles history around the disappearance of the 5th and appearance of 9th September of 2006 of 33 summer Majors of the air base Of manas “Dzhil Of mettsger.
What only fantastic versions of its loss were not advanced, beginning from the fact that it scout carries out special operation through the interesting THE USA Russian air base in Kant, up to the fact that from it is prepared to shakhidku “to smertnitsu.
For its searches was created special group of the best colleagues OF MVD and SNB, other forces and facilities, removed from another work, were begun to operate, since one of the versions was the theft Islamic religious extremists, which recently in the south of republic substituted fatal impact, also both unexpectedly propala and unexpectedly appeared Dzhil, itself after arriving into house of one of the inhabitants Of the yssyk-Atinskeyeo region.
Examination and medical examination showed that Major they did not thrash, they did not force, generally it was in a good health, zauchenno she somehow stated without agitation and standard in such cases emotional experiences that it they stole unknowns near TSUM A also several days held locked up, after which it was succeeded in successfully running out.
It would be desirable to believe physically trained by soldier not any and entire army OF THE USA; however, there is much obscure. How if it they did steal two women, it did not show to them resistance, it did yell finally, place near TSUMA populous, yes even guards of order there are there always many or she itself did want? to become stolen “.
Specifically, against this thought do run the circumstances of its disappearance, and also that degree of secret, by which did surround this history the colleagues of embassies? USA in The kyrgyzskoy republic and the military air bases Of manas “. Now give let us look, why it was this must, the first version: farewell from boyfrendom. is possible, but so not for long. We increasingly are more journalists, yes n our sources in the embassy OF THE USA and MVD confirm that the reason is to what extent commonplace so and is serious, and now you are held – the woman Of dzhil simply made to herself abortion, before the departure home in THE USA where it awaits dear “husband this of version it is plausible, since to the end of contract it remained two days, ugh, and we that they thought terrorists, extremists, and this simply conjugal treason, we understand, far from the husband, dull army bytovukha… with whom does not occur.
But from other side, history with the loss of the citizen OF THE USA in the bad light again showed our NATIVE LAND, in this connection it would be courageous and by democratic from the side of embassy it is opened to state about the results of consequence, but not to cover all with the gloom of the secret, such as bitter it not was, but this there will be truth so that hence such it would not occur. Or as usually into the detective we should by itself surmise where white, where black.
Astonishes the closed nature MVD, SNB n of procuratorship regarding the American woman, where democracy, the freedom of obtaining information, taxpayers I have: the right to know the results of the searches for that disappeared, to which spent their money, or all about THE USA of taboo as in 37 year.
Vladimir tyuryaev [email protected]
farewell from boyfrendom 🙁
conjugal treason ;-p
Ain’t technology grand?
First thing; who ever posted under the name “Buster” on October 3rd at 11:43 PM is not me. Though I completely agree with the information provided and could not have said it better myself, I was sound asleep. Second issue: even though this is petty, Jill Metzger is not a soldier in the U.S. Army. She’s an airman in the U.S. Air Force (in the generic sense).
Facts in the case: The story as presented by Maj Metzger does not hold much water. Senior AF leadership is just as frustrated with this issue as many of you are. The AFOSI was not allowed to conduct a thorough investigation or debrief Jill (nor were local Kyrgyz officials) because they were preempted by the State Department. Too many issues with regard to this case have been left unanswered and it’s frustrating to sit back, watch and wait. It’s also frustrating to have brown-nosing hacks come in here and preach to others who know far more about codified instructions/regulations than they do. That coupled with the occasional computer geek who likes to threaten others with all out info warfare. If you’ve got a fact/theory/pertinent information, then add it. Point or counterpoint. For those of you who are actually uniformed members of the US armed forces, use some common sense before “bowing up” on others in this discussion forum.
It’s 0605 at the moment, I’m tired, and I’m on my own freakin computer. Have fun and a nice day.
Whoa there Jethro,
Granny and Allie-Mae woodint want ye to be gettin riled over DEB-G.
Ya kin waste yer time researching Deb’s data but all that does is help the less-then-freenly folks CI efforts.
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WOW-A person can’t get anything done without this board exploding with debate and intense emotion. I can’t understand why Jethro and company are so intent on trying to out Deb G.? Anyone can come here and say anything about themselves. She is not making threats, terrorist or otherwise. I am quite sure that none of us checked a box stating we would, “swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help us God…,” when started posting on this board. You don’t know who is being factual, who is exaggerating those facts and who gives false information. The obsession with this one poster because she posts strong feelings and won’t say where she posts from is “pathological.” What about Johca? Don’t we want to fact check him? VR claims to have been in Iraq…how about him and who owns his computer? My point is that people are SINGLING OUT DEB G.? WHY? Ponder this. This makes no logical sense.
The message board is about Jill Metzger, it is not about outing people who post here.
Buster: Well said.
Does anyone know if Jill went on her honeymoon? I have not seen any info. on that.
Julie: Well said sister. Thanks for watching my 6. Not sure of the intent either, rather creepy really and I feel badly for the ones who are miserable enough to be threatening and spending that much sleuthing time on obtaining and relaying information on a poster err blogger err commentee or is that commenter? Sorry, not up to par on my blog language. Now, I can’t help but wonder who the real Buster is who posted last night! That is funny. LOL Getting kind of strange in here. Came on here this a.m. to check any updates on the Metzger situation, but nearly had me pondering who is Deb G.?? Silly really. I agree with you Julie – so many others have posted comments, much worse than anything I have ever written (mine focus on theories) yet for some reason, being female on the blog fuels jealousy, envy and anger. Jealousy, envy and anger are responsible for 99.9% of murders, rapes, thefts, assaults, well, all crimes really. So, I have to wonder and ponder myself what the true character and mentality of those on here who bash and threaten and relay any type of personal information (well, what they think is personal). Perhaps time for some authorities to get involved at some point. I have to say, I am not into spending much energy or effort into wondering who anyone on this board is, however, I excel at protecting myself (and those around me too) and I don’t get rattled – ever – silence can be deadly and honoring. Seems they just can’t let things go and provide good debate or participation in this blog area, err, comment/post area…..
So, has anyone heard if Jill went on her honeymoon???