President Bush announced the first veto of his presidency for H.R. 810, the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005 (Video). From the AP report:
This bill would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our society needs to respect, so I vetoed it,” Bush said at a White House event where he was surrounded by 18 families who “adopted” frozen embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those leftover embryos to have children.
“Each of these children was still adopted while still an embryo and has been blessed with a chance to grow, to grow up in a loving family. These boys and girls are not spare parts,” he said.
An override of the veto is not expected.
Wired magazine notes that in the ethical debate over the science of stem cell research new technology holds much promise. How? By extracting stem cells from placentas…
Interesting Factoid: According to figures cited by Sen. Arlen Specter during the Senate debate on the bill, there have only been 128 of these “snow flake” babies born from “adopted” embryos since 1997.
BTW,
The German people didn’t know anything about gas chambers and concentration camps. The Japanese believed that it was their destiny to rule Asia under the slogan “Asia for Asians”.
suh
To me it’s pretty simple and it’s been mentioned before. They are going in the trash. Millions of people are paralyzed. Try to help them. Despite some claims, most the articles I’ve read have stated that embryonic stem cells hold great promise and have even allowed mice with injured spines to move their legs. So much effort to save a non breathing entity so already breathing people must continue to suffer. I do understand the conservative position, but I think this is one more thing that is helping to weaken the conservative grasp.
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If you bother to read the thread, all the points you posted have been answered. It is no surprise that you would find these talking points from the “unbiased sources” like ABC, NBC, etc…
This is old argument: they are going to the trash, so we should experiment on them. Using the same standard, death-row inmates are going to the trash and they are just bigger clumps of cells, so why not experimenting on them? BTW, death penalty is still legal in America.
For that matter I would be surprised if many German or Japanese civilians during WWII knew about a lot of the disgusting things being done in the camps and Manchuria. Such things were not exactly featured in the propaganda.
Hm… I was pretty sure that the German final solution was well-known among civilians, and that while the Japanese Project Maruta had a cover story as a ‘lumber mill’ or ‘water purification research lab’, both it and the Three Alls strategy were reasonably well-known. At least that’s what I thought common knowledge was. Guess I was wrqong.
Well, worst case, we can still go to examples such as the groups impeding the civil rights movement in America.
gattsuru,
BTW, China ‘s one child policy is well known to the population. So the prisoner organ harvest is not a big secret either. On the other hand, some people may not approve of it. But that ‘s the way it is.
On a side note for Suh, we haven’t seem examples of atheism in power (eg. Nazism and communism), and it is not pretty. We could go back to the French revolution and could see how bloody it was compared to the British revolution.
Correction, typing too fast
On a side note for Suh, we haven seem examples of atheism in power (eg. Nazism and communism), and it is not pretty. We could go back to the French revolution and could see how bloody it was compared to the British revolution.
Hm… I was pretty sure that the German final solution was well-known among civilians, and that while the Japanese Project Maruta had a cover story as a ‘lumber mill’ or ‘water purification research lab’, both it and the Three Alls strategy were reasonably well-known. At least that’s what I thought common knowledge was. Guess I was wrqong.
I was referring only to the medical experiments of Mengele and Rascher and Unit 731, not the final solution (though I don’t believe the methods were advertised either, and the Theresienstadt ruse was an elaborate attempt to hide it).
BTW, China ‘s one child policy is well known to the population. So the prisoner organ harvest is not a big secret either.
Do you ever get tired of being so stupid?
mantis,
Do you ever get tired of being so stupid?
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THanks for the insults. It means that you don’t have any point to make. That ‘s why you have to resort to personal insults.
Why are you so dense not to see the point?
China instituted a one child policy, enacted a huge campaign to inform the public, and enforces it. They put billboards up all over the country promoting it. Medical experiments on prisoners are a secret they don’t talk about.
You seem to think that because one thing the Chinese government does very publicly is well known, the things they do secretly are also well known.
You believe this because you are stupid. Get the point?
In any case don’t expect further responses from me to any of your comments. I’m not wasting any more time on someone as mindnumbingly ignorant and logically impaired as yourself.
China instituted a one child policy, enacted a huge campaign to inform the public, and enforces it. They put billboards up all over the country promoting it. Medical experiments on prisoners are a secret they don’t talk about.
You seem to think that because one thing the Chinese government does very publicly is well known, the things they do secretly are also well known.
You believe this because you are stupid. Get the point?
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Why are you so willfully ignorant? We have news about China prisoner organ harvest here in the states already. Even they cracked down on the Internet, the news would get through.
The Chinese people are not stupid. If the gov can enforce one child policy, do you think that they have any doubt that the gov would experiment on prisoners and harvest organs to sell to the rich people. They did far worse things than that.
I don’t know who is stupid here. And you claimed you know about China as a country. I am not even sure that you are telling the truth here.
BTW,
Something just occurs to me that people who made the big deal about the POTENTIAL of embryonic stem cell researcn think so little about the POTENTIAL life (their terminology) or more accurately, a HUMAN LIFE with POTENTIAL.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10111
“It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, ” said the President.
The President was explicit in grounding his decision on the fundamental integrity of all human persons: “Each of these human embryos is a unique human life with inherent dignity and matchless value.” He noted that each of the children attending the press conference was adopted while still an embryo, “and has been blessed with the chance to grow up in a loving family.”
“These boys and girls are not spare parts,” said President Bush. “They remind us of that [which] is lost when embryos are destroyed in the name of research. They remind us that we all begin our lives as a small collection of cells. And they remind us that in our zeal for new treatments and cures, America must never abandon our fundamental morals.”
As Congressman Henry Hyde (R-IL) once said, unborn children are not potential human life, but life with potential.
Just for the record, the secret China organ harvesting. Yup, if Stalin denied executing political dissidents, mantis would believe it
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/07/a_global_body_parts_bazaar.html
A Global Body Parts Bazaar