Vice President Cheney credits the War in Iraq as one reason there has not been another terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
But three years after the invasion to topple Saddam Hussein, the vice president still took pains to justify the war to a skeptical US public, saying that Saddam’s ouster was a blow to international terrorism.
“Iraq was a safe haven for terrorists, it had a guy running it who had started two wars, who had produced and used weapons of mass destruction. Taking down Saddam Hussein was exactly the right thing to do,” he said.
“It’s also, I think, in part responsible for the fact that we haven’t been hit again in nearly five years. That’s no accident,” Cheney said.
“The fact is, we’ve taken the battle to the enemy. That’s been the key to the safety and security of the American people these last few years, and we need to continue to do it,” he said.
“There have been attacks all over the world, in London and Madrid and Bali and Istanbul, as well as New York and Washington; that the key to our success to date has been to actively and aggressively go on offense,” he said.
Try reading : 9/11 Truth .org on who is responsible for 9/11
Try reading: truth@freepress.org on two stolen presidential elections
Try some critical thinking.
Then go back to posting opinions on Web Sites.
Unless, of course, you are a Troll.
Can I read NON-psychotic sites? The “stolen elections” have been shot to hell for years now. That your side cannot handle reality is sad for you.
Cheney has no facts correct, and his opions are downright delusional. 2 Wars by Saddam. Remember that the US (reagan, bush I and their minions – e.g. Cheney) were buddies and allies with Saddam in the 1980s and supported him and his efforts when he waged the war with another member of the axis of evil – Iran.
No, they weren’t “buddies”. He was the lesser of 2 evils, but the goal was for both militaries to wipe one another out. If Iran was slaughtering Iraq, we’d have given Iran arms.
Also, remember there were no WMDs found – that is why Bush II and his cadre of war criminals have changed the story again and again and again as to why we went. Saddam was a secularist who was hated by islamist theocrats and now Iraq lurches toward sectarian war based on religon. Which terrorists was Saddam harboring? They weren’t there until we opened the floodgates.
Salman Pak was used regularly for training. Zarqawi was there. Families of suicide bombers were given money regularly.
Long before we did anything.
Hold on to the myth that the “secularist” Saddam didn’t work with Al Qaeda.
Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfy, Perley – “men” who have never seen the horrors of war, who sat out other wars due to connections and because they had “other things to do,” have no problems sending others to death.
Bush served in the Air Nat’l Guard.
Rummy DID serve.
Continue with your usual talking points, though.
We have squandered the nation’s wealth on this disaster – all the while the rich get richer. As Bush II said himself on the campaign trail in 2000 – “My base is the haves and the have mores”
…at a charity dinner where candidates regularly (Al Gore was ALSO there and ALSO did a schtick routine that, because Moore didn’t want to crucify him, hasn’t seen the light of day) did self-depricating comedy routines.
And “Sleeping” with Stalin because Hitler was a bigger evil as justification of partying with Saddam. Dude – evil is evil.
Funny, if I were to condemn FDR for it, you’d go nuts.
That we had a surplus and now it is gone into a pointless deficit on a pointless war?
Surpluses based on absurd economic assumptions expecting unmaintainable rates of growth indefinitely.
That rummy, cheney, bush, et al didn’t go to war but hid out? and now they send people to an illegal and immoral war? Whereas Gore and Kerry are cowards for actually going?
He was a “journalist”. Less dangerous than Bush’s military service and Rumsfeld’s service.
That Haliburton has made lots of $$$$ on reconstruction, but Iraq has not been reconstructed?
They haven’t made money on it. The subsidiary in charge of the reconstruction is losing money.
And the mere fact that the soldiers appreciate what they do is immaterial, huh?
That we were not greeted with flowers and peace did not break out everywhere?
We were initially, actually.
-=Mike
My moniker simply imply’s a spur of the moment choice, much like all of life, it was not meant to convey spirituality or “godlessness” one way or the other? I simply picked the month of My birth!
I dont hate or kill anybody or anything with malice or forethought,I will stand by my statement however: (Godless liberal) is a self declared state of rebellion against the God of the universe! I did not pick the moniker? but I sure as hell no what it implys….
in response to MikeSC:
No, they weren’t “buddies”. He was the lesser of 2 evils, but the goal was for both militaries to wipe one another out. If Iran was slaughtering Iraq, we’d have given Iran arms.
Can you say Iran-contra. I know kind of after the fact MAYBE, but funny to provide arms to a mortal enemy. Probably just liberal bias.
No we were allies with Iraq implying something along the lines of friendship or common goals. Or were we just being so sneaky and calculating. How cynical. Providing arms to people to kill each other as you watch on gleefully?!? Gee real surprise that they may not like us too much. But a mortal threat – please!
Salman Pak was used regularly for training. Zarqawi was there. Families of suicide bombers were given money regularly.
Long before we did anything.
Hold on to the myth that the “secularist” Saddam didn’t work with Al Qaeda.
No. I’m talking about the WMDs professed by OUR government that IRAQ supposedly had. Where were the bioweapons that Colin Powell discussed in front of the U.N? Where were the nuclear weapons and the yellow cake that Bush, Rummy and Cheney talked about and the “mushroom cloud” that Condi talked about. Most everything that I have been inundated with about Zarqawi referred to his training in Afghanistan. Remember we helped the Mujaheedin dispatch those pesky russians in the 80’s there.
Bush served in the Air Nat’l Guard.
Rummy DID serve.
Continue with your usual talking points, though.
Bush avoided viet nam and stayed in the states partying. Rummy – which war and where? Maybe. I also know he was a participant in the decision making process of the disaster of Viet Nam – a non-combatant however. What about the others? In the words of Wolfy – hard to imagine. hard to imagine. Nonetheless, men who have not seen or participated in the horrors of war are blithely sending men off to a war of agression to die with no clear purpose.
We have squandered the nation’s wealth on this disaster – all the while the rich get richer. As Bush II said himself on the campaign trail in 2000 – “My base is the haves and the have mores”
to this you state that it is self dprecating humor. OK. But the rich have gotten richer and we have squandered our nation’s wealth on a lie instead of helping our own. The “death tax” only helps those with estates in excessof $2,000,000. If you’ve got that much good for you and i can now understand your republican stance.
Funny, if I were to condemn FDR for it, you’d go nuts.
Didn’t think I would have to state the obvious that Hitler waged a war of agression, and was a REAL threat. HMMMM.
He was a “journalist”. Less dangerous than Bush’s military service and Rumsfeld’s service.
Goree was in Viet Nam. You ignore Kerry. Hope you are not a swiftboater. Bush was in the U.S. In the rear with the gear. Hardly dangerous. Rummy – still honestly don’t know what he did – if anything. Considering his callous nature i still can’t imagine he has seen hjorror or a bump on the old noggin made him forget.
They (Haliburton) haven’t made money on it. The subsidiary in charge of the reconstruction is losing money.
And the mere fact that the soldiers appreciate what they do is immaterial, huh?
Man for all the $$$ we’re spending on them they are more incompetent than I could’ve imagined. I thought we were supposed to rebuild IRAQ – not FOBs. Though i do have a relative who is making a shwack of cash as a mercenary for KBR.
That we were not greeted with flowers and peace did not break out everywhere?
We were initially, actually
What happened since? Or might that have been a PR stunt? I guess you can always blame liberals and cronkite. Wait – I think cronkite is dead.
Surpluses based on absurd economic assumptions expecting unmaintainable rates of growth indefinitely.
Look we had money – now we don’t. We burned alot of in it on a lie and death. Take a look at the services and diminishment in all sectors – libraries, national parks, research, all kinds of enriching activities for the average american and those less fortunate. Again , if your rich – no problemo. Have fun hanging out with vacuous types like the Cheney’s
You mean deficits are OK? You mean ledgers don’t mean anything? Does anyone ever have to pay?
Look wanton death as a result of a war of agression, based on lies is just not very smart or a good time. Too much death not enough love.
Mak331/3
Why? do you continue to babble about war casualties and the sort? When it was “Your Boy” LBJ that got us there!VNam.
So Nixon campaigned to get us out of Nam! now thats a bad thing?
I supposed We can all look back on what We shouldacoulda done? or not done and the world would be a lot better for it..
So! You blame Nixon? coz He didnt Murtha? but on the otherhand? the left is all for the extermination of thousands/millions of unborn children????
I think that is spelled with a small h…^^^^^.
~SIGH~
martin arrowsmith, the junk in your fevered post has been refuted time and again over the last three years on hundreds of web sites, columns, magazines and newspapers – ones not controled by Bush-haters, that is.
Only Kos kiddies and other assorted far lefties believe the nonsense in your post.
Cheney defeats liberals by linking Iraq and terrorism! no shit Shurlock….
Now that’s rich. I like how Cheney uses the fact that Saddam “started two wars” as a premise for starting, well, a second war. Cheney knows his followers have no standards.
If interested, have a look at my Iraq war timeline. There are some other quotes in there too, at least one from Cheney, when he said the insurgency was in its “last throes.” That was over a year ago. What a psycho.
in response to MikeSC:
Can you say Iran-contra. I know kind of after the fact MAYBE, but funny to provide arms to a mortal enemy. Probably just liberal bias.
You arm two mortal enemies of yours in the hopes that they wipe one another out. A brilliant, brilliant strategy.
No we were allies with Iraq implying something along the lines of friendship or common goals.
Just because you BELIEVE something to be the case does not make it the case. Saddam was, to use a phrase, “our son of a bitch” — definitely not a friend.
Or were we just being so sneaky and calculating. How cynical. Providing arms to people to kill each other as you watch on gleefully?!? Gee real surprise that they may not like us too much. But a mortal threat – please!
It is brilliant and it is highly cost-effective.
Salman Pak was used regularly for training. Zarqawi was there. Families of suicide bombers were given money regularly.
Long before we did anything.
Hold on to the myth that the “secularist” Saddam didn’t work with Al Qaeda.
No. I’m talking about the WMDs professed by OUR government that IRAQ supposedly had.
Actually, what you said was:
“Saddam was a secularist who was hated by islamist theocrats and now Iraq lurches toward sectarian war based on religon. Which terrorists was Saddam harboring? They weren’t there until we opened the floodgates.”
I explained it to you.
You’re welcome.
Where were the bioweapons that Colin Powell discussed in front of the U.N?
The ones he used a few years earlier and that nobody knows what happened to them?
Those bioweapons?
Where were the nuclear weapons and the yellow cake that Bush, Rummy and Cheney talked about and the “mushroom cloud” that Condi talked about.
No, they said that if they allowed Saddam to become an imminent threat, the first warning we’d get that he had the bomb was a mushroom cloud.
Not that he HAD them but that he was actively SEEKING them.
Most everything that I have been inundated with about Zarqawi referred to his training in Afghanistan. Remember we helped the Mujaheedin dispatch those pesky russians in the 80’s there.
Learn a little history. We funded the Afghan nationals. The Saudis funded the groups that included folks like OBL.
Bush served in the Air Nat’l Guard.
Rummy DID serve.
Continue with your usual talking points, though.
Bush avoided viet nam and stayed in the states partying.
Nat’l Guard pilots got injured far more often than soldiers in Vietnam got purple hearts due to being hit with rice in the ass.
Rummy – which war and where?
He was a Navy pilot and instructor between 1954 and 1957.
Again, you’re welcome for the education.
Maybe. I also know he was a participant in the decision making process of the disaster of Viet Nam – a non-combatant however. What about the others? In the words of Wolfy – hard to imagine. hard to imagine. Nonetheless, men who have not seen or participated in the horrors of war are blithely sending men off to a war of agression to die with no clear purpose.
So, you advocate ending civilian control of the military?
Got it.
Presidents without military history cannot possibly lead soldiers, eh?
Using that logic, if Hillary DOES win the Dem nomination, every American should do the right thing and vote against her — since she can’t possibly lead troops and all.
Also, where was this mentality in 1992 and 1996, when REAL military heroes lost to a draft-dodger?
We have squandered the nation’s wealth on this disaster – all the while the rich get richer. As Bush II said himself on the campaign trail in 2000 – “My base is the haves and the have mores”
to this you state that it is self dprecating humor. OK. But the rich have gotten richer and we have squandered our nation’s wealth on a lie instead of helping our own.
Economic growth is matching what it was under Clinton.
AND without massive corporate corruption.
Go Bush!
The “death tax” only helps those with estates in excessof $2,000,000. If you’ve got that much good for you and i can now understand your republican stance.
What right does the government have to tax income they taxed previously after somebody dies?
Funny, if I were to condemn FDR for it, you’d go nuts.
Didn’t think I would have to state the obvious that Hitler waged a war of agression, and was a REAL threat. HMMMM.
What threat did Hitler pose us? He didn’t attack us. We attacked him, right?
He was a “journalist”. Less dangerous than Bush’s military service and Rumsfeld’s service.
Goree was in Viet Nam.
As a reporter.
You ignore Kerry.
Doing you a favor.
Hope you are not a swiftboater. Bush was in the U.S. In the rear with the gear.
Bush actually volunteered to go but didn’t have enough flight hours to qualify. I’d imagine he’d avoid sketchy purple hearts and questionable discharges as Kerry had.
Hardly dangerous. Rummy – still honestly don’t know what he did – if anything. Considering his callous nature i still can’t imagine he has seen hjorror or a bump on the old noggin made him forget.
You can spend five seconds and google “Rumsfeld military career”. Not that difficult.
They (Haliburton) haven’t made money on it. The subsidiary in charge of the reconstruction is losing money.
And the mere fact that the soldiers appreciate what they do is immaterial, huh?
Man for all the $$$ we’re spending on them they are more incompetent than I could’ve imagined.
They weren’t given a big profit margin to begin with and they have to pay for their own security forces.
I thought we were supposed to rebuild IRAQ – not FOBs. Though i do have a relative who is making a shwack of cash as a mercenary for KBR.
And I’m sure he/she is QUITE appreciative of being called a “mercenary”.
Why do you hate your own family? Do you hate them as much as you clearly hate America?
That we were not greeted with flowers and peace did not break out everywhere?
We were initially, actually
What happened since?
Doesn’t quite disualify how we were greeted, does it?
Or might that have been a PR stunt? I guess you can always blame liberals and cronkite. Wait – I think cronkite is dead.
No. His brain died years ago but his body hasn’t quite gotten the update.
Surpluses based on absurd economic assumptions expecting unmaintainable rates of growth indefinitely.
Look we had money – now we don’t. We burned alot of in it on a lie and death.
We also had A LOT of people burned by corruption in corporations that Clinton turned a blind eye towards.
Enron occured on CLINTON’S watch.
Global Crossing — Clinton’s watch.
Tyco — Clinton’s watch.
It took a Republican to actually enforce some laws.
Take a look at the services and diminishment in all sectors – libraries, national parks, research, all kinds of enriching activities for the average american and those less fortunate.
Feel free to, you know, provide evidence of any of this, please.
Again , if your rich – no problemo. Have fun hanging out with vacuous types like the Cheney’s
Of course, without the megarich, the Dems have no fundraising capacity.
You mean deficits are OK?
Nope. You must’ve missed the widespread conservative condemnation of Bush and the House GOP spending. I can see how you’d miss it — as every single conservative site has criticized him.
You mean ledgers don’t mean anything? Does anyone ever have to pay?
Seeing as how it took Republicans to balance the budget in the first place (and even that was an accident caused by the stock bubble caused by — well, the massive corporate corruption that Clinton allowed to happen).
Look wanton death as a result of a war of agression, based on lies is just not very smart or a good time. Too much death not enough love.
We could cut and run.
God knows that has never backfired.
I mean, running away from — say, Somalia — that didn’t come back and hurt us.
Unless you count 9/11 as “hurting us”.
Which the left doesn’t.
-=Mike
Nicely done MikeSC. Unfortunately, it will be met with fingers in ears and chants of “LA LA LA LA LA I CAN”T HEAR YOU!”
Enjoy your fear and hatred MikeSC and Mike
Now chant your mantra
War is peace.
Ignorance is Strength
Hate is Love.
Arbeit Macht Frei
You arm two mortal enemies of yours in the hopes that they wipe one another out. A brilliant, brilliant strategy.
They are still there – guess the strategy didn’t work. Also we are there now dying and burning our wealth.
You also don’t say anything how they were a significant threat to us.
Just because you BELIEVE something to be the case does not make it the case. Saddam was, to use a phrase, “our son of a bitch” — definitely not a friend.
We paid lots of many for his OIL. And yes they were friends. Look it up. It may not be on FOX news, but there are sources that provide real information – like old newspapers and periodicals of the time.
The ones he used a few years earlier and that nobody knows what happened to them?
Those bioweapons?
Colin Powell has even come out regretting that lie.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1456650.htm
Not that he HAD them but that he was actively SEEKING them (nuclear weapons)
No evidence for that either, but you do need a reason for this disaster.
Cheney said he was working on them
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/09/cheney.interview/index.html
remember yellow cake.
Learn a little history. We funded the Afghan nationals. The Saudis funded the groups that included folks like OBL.
We funded anyone and everyone who wanted to dispatch those pesky russkies.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban-time.html
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20051101facomment84601/peter-bergen-alec-reynolds/blowback-revisited.html
You need to get more sources than FOX news. Broaden your little mind dud
Nat’l Guard pilots got injured far more often than soldiers in Vietnam got purple hearts due to being hit with rice in the ass.
Wow – didn’t realize being a flyboy on the home turf was so much more dangerous than being in a rice paddy with Charlie. More than 50,000 dead in viet nam. Had to conscript the underclass of America to go to that Disneyland, while the privileged class (Bush, Qualy, etc, did the dangerous stuff on weekends.) Man – when you actually think that national guard service is more dangerous than someone shooting real bullets and using IEDs that’s just crazy. I wonder if the national guard in Iraq now would prefer to be back here?
He was a Navy pilot and instructor between 1954 and 1957.
Conveniently missed all war that way and therefore never saw its horrifying face. (WWII, Korean, Nam, etc)
Didn’t say tanks, so no point in saying your welcome
So, you advocate ending civilian control of the military?
Got it.
Presidents without military history cannot possibly lead soldiers, eh?
Using that logic, if Hillary DOES win the Dem nomination, every American should do the right thing and vote against her — since she can’t possibly lead troops and all.
Also, where was this mentality in 1992 and 1996, when REAL military heroes lost to a draft-dodger?
Clinton didn’t lead men to war of aggression. He didn’t squander wealth on a lie, and didn’t oversee the pointless death of thousands of Americans with no clear metrics of success or point.
No. I didn’t say relief of civilian control. What I was saying was that stupid, egotistical men, filled with hubris and delusional ideas of how to make the world better through hatred and death may have obtained a different view of it all if they or the one’s they love actually did some of the heavy lifting. So you think, in addition to Cheney, that Wolfy, Feithy, and Perley got it right. Sorry that is so very sad.
Economic growth is matching what it was under Clinton.
AND without massive corporate corruption.
Go Bush!
Dow is flat in the 6.5 years of this disaster. Poverty has increased.
Corporte corruption? Ken-boy Lay, Skilling and Enron. Adelphia, Tyco. Sorry Bush’s watch. Must have been out biking.
Nope. You must’ve missed the widespread conservative condemnation of Bush and the House GOP spending
But you still say Go Bush! (see above) What has been his major successes?
Welcome to the real estate bubble
Of course, without the megarich, the Dems have no fundraising capacity.
Nor would the Republicans. That’s the problem – they both have sold out. That’s how they can sell you on the idea of the “DEATH TAX”, and you blindly buy it.
Rich Americans should be willing to pay back to the country that has allowed them to prosper. They will still be very very rich. And they could help the country that they love
Seeing as how it took Republicans to balance the budget
All 3 arms are controlled by conservative republicans, but…
Budget is not balanced – worst it has ever been. I’m sure you think it’s Clinton’s fault. Why do hate America so much?
I don’t hate America. I love America. Pay my taxes, vote, obey the laws of the land, obey the constitution. I educate, I don’t spy on people, I don’t want innocents to die for a lie.
“The definition of success–To laugh much; to win respect of intelligent persons and the affections of children; to earn the approbation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to give one’s self; to leave the world a little better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition.; to have played and laughed with enthusiasm, and sung with exultation; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived–this is to have succeeded.”
I have called my relative a mercenary to his face.
– we love each other, but simply disagree. He also can’t resist that 6 figure salary
Of course 9/11 hurt us. So did Oklahoma City, but I suspect you don’t remember that.
Threaten us and our way of life? Only by our response. Remember in my first post I said that I supported the Afghan War – I just thought getting the job done was what was important. Not the lie of Iraq. Now we are getting nothing done.
Nope unfortunately can’t cut in run – it’s the long war – with a faceless enemy that will never end. Just like Orwell wrote about in 1984. The Horror of Bush.
Cheney is full of sh_t with regard to his claim of no terrorist attack in the US and attributing it to the Iraqi war.
And the foolish Wizbangers gobble it up & repeat this bilge just like well-trained poll parrots who forgot a recent headline in the WaPo about a State Department memo, “Terrorist Attacks Rose Sharply in 2005, State Dept. Says“
The Post story of April 29, 2006 goes on, “The number of terrorist attacks worldwide increased nearly fourfold in 2005 to 11,111, with strikes in Iraq accounting for 30 percent of the total, according to statistics released by U.S. counterterrorism officials yesterday”
So, using Cheney-speak, one could say that while the Bush/Cheney war of choice appears to have possibly diverted terrorists’ attacks in the US, this 4 fold increase in terrorists’ attacks in the rest of the world is his & Bush’s gift to the world.
Cheney’s statement is as assinine as all his pre-war lies about Iraq and his lies about the status of the Iraqi war post-invasion.
Enjoy your fear and hatred MikeSC and Mike
Now chant your mantra
War is peace.
Ignorance is Strength
Hate is Love.
Arbeit Macht Frei
Man you lefties are a treasure trove of totalitarian slogans.
You arm two mortal enemies of yours in the hopes that they wipe one another out. A brilliant, brilliant strategy.
They are still there – guess the strategy didn’t work. Also we are there now dying and burning our wealth.
You also don’t say anything how they were a significant threat to us.
We have democracy forming in Iraq and anti-government groups mobilizing in Iran.
It’s working splendidly.
And I didn’t mention them being a threat for the same reason I don’t mention oxygen as a necessity for human life — namely, that it is so obvious that I doubted anybody would not realize it.
I overestimated you, and for that, I apologize.
Just because you BELIEVE something to be the case does not make it the case. Saddam was, to use a phrase, “our son of a bitch” — definitely not a friend.
We paid lots of many for his OIL. And yes they were friends. Look it up. It may not be on FOX news, but there are sources that provide real information – like old newspapers and periodicals of the time.
We pay money for Chavez’ oil, too. We don’t like him, either.
And, if you check out those old newspapers and periodicals, you’ll never see the government describing Saddam as a friend.
Not once.
The ones he used a few years earlier and that nobody knows what happened to them?
Those bioweapons?
Colin Powell has even come out regretting that lie.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1456650.htm
Missed him gassing the Kurds in ’88, eh?
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/03/980328-iraq2.htm
Missed his own revelation of chemical weapons to the UN in the run-up to the war, eh?
Not that he HAD them but that he was actively SEEKING them (nuclear weapons)
No evidence for that either, but you do need a reason for this disaster.
Cheney said he was working on them
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/09/cheney.interview/index.html
remember yellow cake.
You mean the yellow cake story that British Intel still stand behind? That one?
And every study of the situation indicated he had every intention of resuming it the moment sanctions were lifted.
That is, unless the CIA, Kay Report, and every study of the situation is to be believed.
Learn a little history. We funded the Afghan nationals. The Saudis funded the groups that included folks like OBL.
We funded anyone and everyone who wanted to dispatch those pesky russkies.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban-time.html
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20051101facomment84601/peter-bergen-alec-reynolds/blowback-revisited.html
You need to get more sources than FOX news. Broaden your little mind dud
Man, it gets irritating having to educate you from scratch.
OK, bin Laden said he didn’t receive one red cent from us, nor would he accept it ever. There is no evidence — no cancelled checks, no former officials, etc — who have ever once said that we funded OBL. No news accounts indicate we funded OBL.
Who we funded is common knowledge. We funded the Afghan nationals while Saudi Arabia funded the foreign Islamists who fought.
Hell, even Al Qaeda makes the distinction between mujaheddin from Afghanistan and from foreign lands (al-Zawahiri wrote a book in 2001 clearly stating that the FOREIGN BORN fighters were funded by Saudi Arabia and we funded Afghan nationals).
OBL associates all vigorously deny any tie to the CIA at any point in history.
There is LITERALLY no evidence, whatsoever, to back up your insepid assertions.
Hell, from the VERY PIECE you quoted:
When the United States started sending guns and money to the Afghan mujahideen in the 1980s, it had a clearly defined Cold War purpose: helping expel the Soviet army, which had invaded Afghanistan in 1979. And so it made sense that once the Afghan jihad forced a Soviet withdrawal a decade later, Washington would lose interest in the rebels. For the international mujahideen drawn to the Afghan conflict, however, the fight was just beginning. They opened new fronts in the name of global jihad and became the spearhead of Islamist terrorism.
Notice the DISTINCTION between the 2 groups? Probably not.
Nat’l Guard pilots got injured far more often than soldiers in Vietnam got purple hearts due to being hit with rice in the ass.
Wow – didn’t realize being a flyboy on the home turf was so much more dangerous than being in a rice paddy with Charlie.
It wasn’t. But it was riskier than being on a barge with a sack of rice and then dropping munitions into the rice, causing you an “injury” and getting a Purple Heart for it.
More than 50,000 dead in viet nam. Had to conscript the underclass of America to go to that Disneyland, while the privileged class (Bush, Qualy, etc, did the dangerous stuff on weekends.)
Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam, but didn’t have enough flight hours to go. Hate to break it to you. And, yes, fighter pilot DOES tend to be a bit of a risky undertaking.
Man – when you actually think that national guard service is more dangerous than someone shooting real bullets and using IEDs that’s just crazy.
One of Kerry’s Hearts was self-inflicted.
I wonder if the national guard in Iraq now would prefer to be back here?
And have the left mock them? I doubt it.
He was a Navy pilot and instructor between 1954 and 1957.
Conveniently missed all war that way and therefore never saw its horrifying face. (WWII, Korean, Nam, etc)
Didn’t say tanks, so no point in saying your welcome
Damn him for serving anyway, huh? You said he didn’t serve. I pointed out that he DID serve. He even TAUGHT pilots.
And the youth are seldom appreciative of education, so I’m not shocked you aren’t either.
So, you advocate ending civilian control of the military?
Got it.
Presidents without military history cannot possibly lead soldiers, eh?
Using that logic, if Hillary DOES win the Dem nomination, every American should do the right thing and vote against her — since she can’t possibly lead troops and all.
Also, where was this mentality in 1992 and 1996, when REAL military heroes lost to a draft-dodger?
Clinton didn’t lead men to war of aggression.
Turned Somalia from a humanitarian mission into a mission to capture a warlord, then ran away. Sent troops to Bosnia. Fired missiles into Iraq to cover up for him committing perjury.
He didn’t squander wealth on a lie, and didn’t oversee the pointless death of thousands of Americans with no clear metrics of success or point.
Notice how Iraq has a government now?
That’s called a “clear metric of success”.
No. I didn’t say relief of civilian control. What I was saying was that stupid, egotistical men, filled with hubris and delusional ideas of how to make the world better through hatred and death may have obtained a different view of it all if they or the one’s they love actually did some of the heavy lifting. So you think, in addition to Cheney, that Wolfy, Feithy, and Perley got it right. Sorry that is so very sad.
No, what you are saying is that people who don’t serve cannot lead the military. YOU are seeking to tear down one of the most pivotal aspects of our government system.
Economic growth is matching what it was under Clinton.
AND without massive corporate corruption.
Go Bush!
Dow is flat in the 6.5 years of this disaster. Poverty has increased.
Corporte corruption? Ken-boy Lay, Skilling and Enron. Adelphia, Tyco. Sorry Bush’s watch. Must have been out biking.
Actually, they were PROSECUTED under Bush’s watch. The corruption occurred under Clinton’s. You MIGHT want to do a LITTLE research.
And the Dow tanked when Clinton gave Bush a horrendous economy that was in free fall. Bush’s tax policies saved it and minimized the recession Clinton’s culture of corruption hoisted upon the country.
Nope. You must’ve missed the widespread conservative condemnation of Bush and the House GOP spending
But you still say Go Bush! (see above) What has been his major successes?
Welcome to the real estate bubble
Said it to piss you off — and I did good with that.
As for the real estate bubble — if you’re REALLY going to sit here and defend Clinton’s economic performance and condemn a “bubble” here — you’re just plain stupid.
Of course, without the megarich, the Dems have no fundraising capacity.
Nor would the Republicans. That’s the problem – they both have sold out. That’s how they can sell you on the idea of the “DEATH TAX”, and you blindly buy it.
Rich Americans should be willing to pay back to the country that has allowed them to prosper. They will still be very very rich. And they could help the country that they love
Hell, I can give you a concrete example.
The 2000 election recount funds, where the Dems tried to steal an election.
Bush raised 4 times as much as Gore with no donation higher than $5,000. Gore had $500,000 donations. The idle rich are Democrats.
Seeing as how it took Republicans to balance the budget
All 3 arms are controlled by conservative republicans, but…
Budget is not balanced – worst it has ever been. I’m sure you think it’s Clinton’s fault. Why do hate America so much?
Wow, nice non-sequitur.
And considering that the Dems have already promised to “ear-mark the shit out of the place” if they get into office, you don’t have a leg to stand on.
I don’t hate America. I love America.
Your comments and constant belief that we’re always the bad guy reveals your true hatred for this country and its people. It’s shameful, but the people you mock and condemn died to allow you to mock them.
Pay my taxes, vote, obey the laws of the land, obey the constitution. I educate, I don’t spy on people, I don’t want innocents to die for a lie.
Seeing as how there was no lie, it’s a nice, useless phrase you wrote there.
“The definition of success–To laugh much; to win respect of intelligent persons and the affections of children; to earn the approbation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to give one’s self; to leave the world a little better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition.; to have played and laughed with enthusiasm, and sung with exultation; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived–this is to have succeeded.”
So, you’re a massive failure? Got it.
I have called my relative a mercenary to his face.
– we love each other, but simply disagree.
No, you clearly do not love them. You insult them. You mock them. All because they don’t live up to your ideals.
Seriously, on behalf of your family, go fuck yourself.
Of course 9/11 hurt us. So did Oklahoma City, but I suspect you don’t remember that.
Just like 9/11, we cleaned up and moved on.
Threaten us and our way of life? Only by our response. Remember in my first post I said that I supported the Afghan War – I just thought getting the job done was what was important. Not the lie of Iraq. Now we are getting nothing done.
Nope unfortunately can’t cut in run – it’s the long war – with a faceless enemy that will never end. Just like Orwell wrote about in 1984. The Horror of Bush.
The country does not want to be governed by petulant children such as yourself. People who will condemn their own family because they’re not mind-numbed robots who will do whatever they say. You are no different than Cindy Sheehan, pissing all over your family for not being just like you.
You are beneath contempt. Words cannot describe how utterly loathesome you are. You are a black-hearted, moronic, hate-laden sociopath. You wish to see dark-skinned people die because it’s too much work to help them. You want to see democracy crushed because the majority doesn’t agree with you. You want to turn us into a military junta because you believe the military supports you.
You are a cancer on this country. I’d spit on you, but I don’t waste my saliva on the likes of you.
-=Mike
Enjoy your fear and hatred MikeSC and Mike
Now chant your mantra
War is peace.
Ignorance is Strength
Hate is Love.
Arbeit Macht Frei
I always feel the need to bow down to the lefties when it comes to knowledge of totalitarian slogans. You can’t beat a progressive in that area of trivia.
You arm two mortal enemies of yours in the hopes that they wipe one another out. A brilliant, brilliant strategy.
They are still there – guess the strategy didn’t work. Also we are there now dying and burning our wealth.
“Burning our wealth”? Do I dare ask what inane site you got that talking point from?
You also don’t say anything how they were a significant threat to us.
I don’t discuss how we can’t live without oxygen, considering that it’s a fundamental reality. But, hey, I won’t make the mistake of overestimating you.
Just because you BELIEVE something to be the case does not make it the case. Saddam was, to use a phrase, “our son of a bitch” — definitely not a friend.
We paid lots of many for his OIL.
Wow. That’s proof of friendship. I never would have guessed that we were friends of Hugo Chavez. I mean, we buy his oil and all.
And yes they were friends. Look it up. It may not be on FOX news, but there are sources that provide real information – like old newspapers and periodicals of the time.
Feel free to post one where we ever said that he was a friend. I’ll be waiting patiently.
The ones he used a few years earlier and that nobody knows what happened to them?
Those bioweapons?
Colin Powell has even come out regretting that lie.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1456650.htm
Missed him gassing the Kurds in 1988, eh?
Not that he HAD them but that he was actively SEEKING them (nuclear weapons)
No evidence for that either, but you do need a reason for this disaster.
Cheney said he was working on them
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/09/cheney.interview/index.html
remember yellow cake.
Every study stated he’d IMMEDIATELY resume the moment sanctions were lifting (which, mind you, people like you would’ve applauded).
Learn a little history. We funded the Afghan nationals. The Saudis funded the groups that included folks like OBL.
We funded anyone and everyone who wanted to dispatch those pesky russkies.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban-time.html
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20051101facomment84601/peter-bergen-alec-reynolds/blowback-revisited.html
You need to get more sources than FOX news. Broaden your little mind dud
Note that the Foreign Affairs piece could differentiate between Afghan and international mujahedeen.
Why is it so hard for you to follow?
We have OBL saying it didn’t happen. We have no proof saying it happened. We have books from associates of his (al-Zawahiri, for one) saying it didn’t happen.
Nat’l Guard pilots got injured far more often than soldiers in Vietnam got purple hearts due to being hit with rice in the ass.
Wow – didn’t realize being a flyboy on the home turf was so much more dangerous than being in a rice paddy with Charlie. More than 50,000 dead in viet nam. Had to conscript the underclass of America to go to that Disneyland, while the privileged class (Bush, Qualy, etc, did the dangerous stuff on weekends.) Man – when you actually think that national guard service is more dangerous than someone shooting real bullets and using IEDs that’s just crazy. I wonder if the national guard in Iraq now would prefer to be back here?
More fighter pilots died in training than swift boat soldiers got rice embedded in their buttocks, giving them a Purple Heart.
He was a Navy pilot and instructor between 1954 and 1957.
Conveniently missed all war that way and therefore never saw its horrifying face. (WWII, Korean, Nam, etc)
Yes, it was part of his diabolical master plan.
Didn’t say tanks, so no point in saying your welcome
The uneducated don’t appreciate learning.
So, you advocate ending civilian control of the military?
Got it.
Presidents without military history cannot possibly lead soldiers, eh?
Using that logic, if Hillary DOES win the Dem nomination, every American should do the right thing and vote against her — since she can’t possibly lead troops and all.
Also, where was this mentality in 1992 and 1996, when REAL military heroes lost to a draft-dodger?
Clinton didn’t lead men to war of aggression.
Missed his turning Somalia from humanitarian to aggression, huh?
He didn’t squander wealth on a lie, and didn’t oversee the pointless death of thousands of Americans with no clear metrics of success or point.
Notice that Iraq has a gov’t? That’s a success.
No. I didn’t say relief of civilian control. What I was saying was that stupid, egotistical men, filled with hubris and delusional ideas of how to make the world better through hatred and death may have obtained a different view of it all if they or the one’s they love actually did some of the heavy lifting.
Yes, no Bush family members served. Rumsfeld served. The military THAT SUPPORTS THIS — they don’t matter.
Economic growth is matching what it was under Clinton.
AND without massive corporate corruption.
Go Bush!
Dow is flat in the 6.5 years of this disaster. Poverty has increased.
Corporte corruption? Ken-boy Lay, Skilling and Enron. Adelphia, Tyco. Sorry Bush’s watch. Must have been out biking.
Bush did have a stock market crash to deal with after the bubble Clinton championed burst.
And Bush PROSECUTED the criminals. Clinton APPLAUDED them and weakened the SEC.
Nope. You must’ve missed the widespread conservative condemnation of Bush and the House GOP spending
But you still say Go Bush! (see above) What has been his major successes?
Massive economic recovery. Cleaning up Wall Street. Fighting terrorism. Pretty successful. Far better than what his predecessor did.
Welcome to the real estate bubble
Of course, without the megarich, the Dems have no fundraising capacity.
Nor would the Republicans. That’s the problem – they both have sold out. That’s how they can sell you on the idea of the “DEATH TAX”, and you blindly buy it.
The death tax doesn’t impact me. Doesn’t mean that I don’t find it morally reprehensible.
Rich Americans should be willing to pay back to the country that has allowed them to prosper. They will still be very very rich. And they could help the country that they love
They provide jobs.
You do…what?
Seeing as how it took Republicans to balance the budget
All 3 arms are controlled by conservative republicans, but…
Budget is not balanced – worst it has ever been. I’m sure you think it’s Clinton’s fault. Why do hate America so much?
Said the guy who mourns for the days of massive corporate corruption.
I don’t hate America. I love America. Pay my taxes, vote, obey the laws of the land, obey the constitution. I educate, I don’t spy on people, I don’t want innocents to die for a lie.
“The definition of success–To laugh much; to win respect of intelligent persons and the affections of children; to earn the approbation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to give one’s self; to leave the world a little better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition.; to have played and laughed with enthusiasm, and sung with exultation; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived–this is to have succeeded.”
In simple terms, you’re a massive and total failure?
I have called my relative a mercenary to his face.
– we love each other, but simply disagree. He also can’t resist that 6 figure salary
Wow. I can’t fathom hating my family the way you do. Way to insult family members who don’t want to be just like you. I mean, you’re perfect and all.
Of course 9/11 hurt us. So did Oklahoma City, but I suspect you don’t remember that.
If there was a persistent domestic terrorism group, it’d be a problem.
But there isn’t.
Threaten us and our way of life? Only by our response. Remember in my first post I said that I supported the Afghan War – I just thought getting the job done was what was important. Not the lie of Iraq. Now we are getting nothing done.
Nope unfortunately can’t cut in run – it’s the long war – with a faceless enemy that will never end. Just like Orwell wrote about in 1984. The Horror of Bush.
You are truly beneath contempt. The sheer hatred you show to your OWN FAMILY is truly horrendous.
I don’t even pity you.
-=Mike
MikeSC
That post above is a massive P.O.S.
Martin Arrowsmith
Thanks for taking the time to refute all the BS, especially from armchair general Mike SC.
You’ll likely never get through to the brainwashed, but to anyone of reason, you did an excellent job.
These people have spent so many years as slavering puppies at the feet of Limbarf, Insanity, the aptly named Savage et al that their thought processes are thoroughly atrophied.
The armchair generals are forever promoting or waging wars wherein they support sending someone else off to do the dying for their perverse skew view of evil in the world.
As one of the you links cited above illustrates, this Iraqi war will generate a new bumper crop of terrorists trained on Bush’s battlefield that will make the crop from the Afghani war pale by comparison, thus giving rise to war forever.
A series of articles called Once Upon a Time by Arthur Silber, whom you might enjoy reading can be found at this link: search.blogger.com/?as_q=&ie=UTF-8&x=50&y=6&q=blogurl:powerofnarrative.blogspot.com&ui=blg&scoring=d
All I have is proof and evidence.
Mak, you have — well, diddly.
-=Mike