Jay and Kevin have already posted news that Karl Rove won’t be indicted in the Plame investigation, so if you haven’t read their posts yet, start there.
I am not going to brave the Democratic Underground swamp for reaction. Luckily I won’t even have to because Hugh Hewitt has done it already and Mark Coffey has even categorized the lefty reactions to the news.
Tom Maguire at Just One Minute, which has been the “go to” spot for Plame news, has a good roundup and Stop the ACLU has a list of reaction links.
Michelle Malkin has declared it Rove Derangement Syndrome Day.
Lifelife Pundits have a Matthews suicide watch.
Scott Ott explains why this news proves the GOP is doomed.
Lawhawk has my favorite post title.
GOP and the City has my favorite take:
Karl Rove has avoided lethal injection (for now). As Rovie walks away, his creation (Tropical Storm Alberto) has weakened faster than Patrick Fitzgerald’s case against him.
Had Rove been indicted, you can be assured that Alberto would have been turned into a hurricane by Rove’s Weather Generator (which is stored in his garage). Instead of reports of Karl Rove’s arrest; the news would be filled with images of
weathermenweatherpeople standing in knee deep water, as buildings fly down the street, telling us there are high winds and rising water. Want more proof? Who is the Attorney General? Alberto Gonzalez!
UPDATE: Don’t miss Pat Curley’s “The Night Before Fitzmas.”
UPDATE II: Pat Hynes caught Karl Rove on video in New Hampshire last night making an interesting joke. I am guessing he got the good news before this morning.
UPDATE III: Sister Toldjah makes an excellent point (I am sorry I missed her post earlier) that Howard Dean pronounces Rove guilty, but gave OBL the presumption of innocence a couple of years ago. Another excellent example of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Of course Rove’s indictment failed.
Most people don’t know this, but the star witneess against him was that Zarqawi guy. He was there, and saw the whole thing. Now that he’s dead, the coverup is complete.
I want to hear the resident moonbats(Mak44, Lee, Jp2) comments on this…but they won’t…cowards.
You underestimate them, Michael. I’m sure they’re just getting their talking points from DailyKos. I’m sure we’ll hear something soon…
The historical record has never changed a liberals world view. That is why Ann Coulter is right. Air heads like Bill O’Reilly think he is changing liberal minds with persuasive arguements. He is not. The best we can do is make it personal and punish them publically every chance we get.
Now go out and shout down your least favorite liberal. Make sure you call them traitorous scum. LOL
I love it when a plan comes together!
Oh well, I guess 1 indictment (the highest ever?) will suffice. Dean was right though, Rove has his sin, and it’s a good day for the WH, but not for America.
You pathetic fools…
It’s obvious the Rovian Hurricane Machine was hard at work generating a hurricane to level destruction of Biblical proportions to distract from his indictment.
Since the indictment didn’t come he turned down the hurricane into a fizzle….much like the Plame case.
Just read your comment Michael – clearly, if the first thing you are thinking of is me when news breaks, I’m all up in your head.
JP2 – “Dean was right though, Rove has his sin, and it’s a good day for the WH, but not for America.”
You are so pathetic and pitiful.
Good argument. See if you can rely on something other than name-calling though, it might come off better.
Word, jp2. Ever see the Southpark where Cartman is rolling around in his sleep, fantasizing about killing hippies? Well, Michael = Cartman, hippies = moonbats, and I = heh.
Good comment @ 2:25, Big Mo. Rather than address his statement, you call him names. Do you really think it’s good for your democracy to see Rove investigated like this? I love the political climate in the United States. The architect of this entire administration escapes indictment in some pretty shady business, and this is a victory? You know what’s better than that, though, wingnuts? Not getting investigated in the first place.
I kinda feel bad for Karl. He would have had a better chance finding true love in prison than in the real world.
The liberals will be disapointed they want his head even with out being indited
Eon, howzabout you learn how to spell “indicted” before speculating as to how liberals will feel about it? Blogs aren’t the place for nit-pickery and spell-checkery, but buddy, you need to better articulate yourself if you want anyone to take you seriously.
jp2 – that was the whole point, pal. You just KNOW Rove is guilty of something, anything, right? Right? He has to be guilty, right?
Because you and HoDean say so, right?
over at the funky ‘town meeting’ at truthout.org, I posted this and was immediatly banned and the post removed:
When everything you believe is wrong…
Watching this thread and similar ones on DU and elsewhere, this I know to be true: There’s probably a 12 step program out there for this affliction.
You believe, with all your heart, soul, mind and body that a story is correct. You base your belief, not on evidence, logic or reason, but simply because you want to believe so badly, the thought of it being wrong invalidates your very existence and that makes your head hurt.
When the story is shown to be wrong:
First comes denial. Incredulity is your watchword. “Luskin Lies!”
Next comes blame. “TruthOut lies!”
Then, shifting blame. RRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE!!!!! YOU BASTARD, YOU SET US UP!!!!!!!
And here we are back at square one. The object of your hatred now becomes the source again of your current pain.
A new word is coined, and “Rovian” replaces “Machiavellian” in the lexicon.
So devious, so manipulative, so evil, so, so, damned Rovian is he, that he is capable of duping even the smartest of the smart, the skeptic’s skeptic, the country’s watchdogs who question authority, speak truth to power, suspect everyone and suffer no fools – the American fringe left.
I am simply in awe. My inestimable respect for his powers grows by the minute.
Is there ANYTHING Karl Rove can’t do?
Oh Bemused give it a rest already and get over yourself.
The architect of this entire administration escapes indictment in some pretty shady business, and this is a victory?
Shady? He didn’t get indicted because he didn’t do anything wrong!!
You know what’s better than that, though, wingnuts? Not getting investigated in the first place.
Wrong again. Just because you are under investigation does not make you guilty of anything or mean you did anything wrong. Sometimes the one doing the investigating is wrong. Take for example what’s going on with the Duke Lacrosse players. It sure seems like they didn’t do anything wrong even they have already been indicted!
I kinda feel bad for Karl. He would have had a better chance finding true love in prison than in the real world.
Yes, slap people around for not addressing arguments and/or calling people names and then drop that little gem.
Blogs aren’t the place for nit-pickery and spell-checkery, but buddy, you need to better articulate yourself if you want anyone to take you seriously.
Yes, heed your own advice. We don’t need the spelling police around here. And you really should be worrying about people taking you seriously.
moflicky – I believe that may be the same reaction that will be seem from them on the night of Nov 7th.
Bemused: “Do you really think it’s good for your democracy to see Rove investigated like this?” No…it was a complete sham from start to finish. A “special” prosecutor with unlimited funds went fishing. But didn’t catch ANYTHING.
Bemused: “The architect of this entire administration escapes indictment in some pretty shady business“
“escapes indictment“?? escapes??
His “escape” was accomplished the old-fashioned way: HE DIDN’T FREAKING DO ANYTHING WRONG!!
Likewise, I have “escaped” indictment for over 50 years…but NOT ever committing a crime! (ok, I rolled through a Stop-sign once…but I paid the fine)
CongressFelon Jefferson is TAPED taking $100,000 in bribes…and then FREEZE-WRAPS the damn stuff (’cause he always wanted a supply of cold-cash, I guess). Now THAT’S one indictable dude!!!
Heheheheheh.
Rove set them up the bomb!
😀
Justrand – So YOU’RE the one who rolled through that stop sign! Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald will be paying you a call shortly. Prepare to be frog-marched to prison!
Good grief, the moonbats built themselves up so much with this nonsense, it’s like they’re on speed. They get high then come crashing down. But they need an even higher fix to get high. That’s why so many of them are now prepping their needles for Haditha, but that one will blow up in their faces too.
If they would actually concentrate on being FOR something besides hate hate hate hate Bush, the GOP and conservatives, they might actually go somewhere.
But no. The moonbats would rather get high on fantasies. And they just keep lurching from fix to fix. I can’t imagine living like that.
Heheheheheh — civil suit coming! That’ll prove something…
Rove is a public figure, J.R., so yeah, I can call him names and make fun of the fact that he’s probably a lonely little boy on the inside and still chastise others for doing so on here. Two. Different. Things.
I never said Rove was guilty of anything; he may have made a deal, though, right? I did say that having Bush’s puppeteer paraded in and out of a courtroom, over a leak that never should have happened, does not do wonders for the public’s confidence in government.
Hey Justrand, Jefferson should go to jail ’cause he broke the law. Does saying that make me a Republican?
Here’s another moonbat fantasy for you, Big Mo: the GOP are perceived by the public as failures. Dubya might plateau at 40% (which you’ll spin as a good thing); and Congress will be more Democratic come November, although the shift may not be tectonic.
Blame the media; blame the insurgency; blame Canada. But don’t blame the party in control of Congress and the Executive branch.
Here’s another fantasy for ya bemused: Democratic congress in November. The public isn’t exactly thrilled with the GOP right now, but they definately don’t like the Jackasses at all.
And I do, in part, blame the media, speaking as a former member of said media.
That’s o.k. Bemusie.
You live in a country that allows free speech; protected by the U.S. military.
Speak on, musie, and thank a G.I.!
Lorie – not sure where I can pass this on, but we have our second Medal of Honor nominee for the war:
“David Ballavia is a former Army Staff Sergeant who served in the First Infantry Division (Task Force 2-2). He has been recommended for the Medal of Honor, nominated for the Distinguished Service Cross, and received the Silver Star, the Bronze Star (v), and the Conspicuous Service Cross. Recently he was invited to attend the President’s State of the Union address as an honored guest. He is a writer and a tireless veterans’ advocate. He lives in Batavia, New York with his wife and son. David is heading back to Iraq in June (with Wade Zirkle) to evaluate and report on US forces, Iraqi Forces and the situation on the Iraqi Street.”
My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy has the full details (as well as some salty language). Apparently, this former SSG is one bad-ass that would make John Wayne salute.
Its sure a pity about the 40% plateau. Bush is defiently not going to win in 2006 and forget about 2008.
Rove made a deal? Haha, I read that at DailyKos where liberals refuel their alternative-energy minds with horsey-poo.
The “deal” is called agreeing to testify truthfully in exchange for not getting indicted. Seems like a fair deal to me.
However, I’m always game for a good liberal conspiracy theory, so why don’t we open the floor to any liberal who wants to articulate what Mulder and Scully found when they opened the door to Patrick Fitzgerald’s secret chamber.
Bemused,
You can call anyone names if you want to; however, if you actually want to sway someone’s opinion, rather than engage in mindless cheerleading, you might want to try a different approach. If you think a logical approach is a waste of time, then what does that say about you than you’re willing to also engage in that type of behavior??
This story is just another example of what’s wrong with political discourse in this country and why NEITHER party is held in high esteem by a majority.
We won the only war we fought against you, Les. 😉
And as far as me having to thank a GI, I’m not British, or French; I’m Canadian. We contributed a helluva lot of troops and manufacturing resources to both World Wars. In fact, we took Vimy Ridge in 1917 with 40,000 troops, whereas the British and French had failed with hundreds of thousands. We were involved in that conflict years before the US. And we more than carried our weight in Normandy and throughout the European theatre in WW II, not to mention training many of the British pilots who held off the Luftwaffe while our merchant seamen braved packs of U-boats to keep the English people in the war. All of this was happening before the US joined the fight.
Our army is small because we don’t need military protection. Hell, neither do you–surely the way to most effectively combat terrorism is with coordinated information sharing amongst free nations and preventative domestic security measures, in conjunction with precision air strikes and incursions when the situation requires it. It would be nice if every militant Islamic totalitarian would fight conventionally, but unfortunately they get to pick their tactics.
“Its sure a pity about the 40% plateau. Bush is defiently not going to win in 2006 and forget about 2008.”
japh, you,are absolutely correct; he won’t be on the ballot.
Don’t lecture me about logic, millco88.
Rove MAY have committed a crime and brokered a deal to help another case and to save his own ass. No proof that he didn’t, no proof that he did.
Saddam MAY have had something to do with 9/11. No proof that he did, but no proof that he didn’t. (Bad guys in the rolodex does not suffice.)
Either both are okay, or neither are. I’m okay either way, but what with people on this blog telling me that the second is in fact a fair statement, then I guess they think that the first must be as well. Cool!
Bemused: “Our army is small because we don’t need military protection“
Uh, you don’t need protection because WE protect you…or try to. But lately you folks have INVITED the world’s terrorists to set up shop in Canada, and are now SHOCKED, SHOCKED to find out they want to kill you too!!! It’s harder to protect ya’ll when you’re TRYING to kill yourselves!!
and then this from you: “surely the way to most effectively combat terrorism is with coordinated information sharing amongst free nations ”
So, uh, just what to ya DO with all that “coordinated information” when ya get it? Well, sooner or later ya gotta go drop a 500 pound bomb (or TWO) on some moron’s head!! And it takes a military to do that. The world would NOT be a better place without the U.S. military…it would be a VERY nasty place, controlled by VERY nasty people! Like Zark.
Amused and jp4, how can we miss you if you won’t leave? You were wrong. Any way you slice it. No amount of spin will make you right. You cannot fix stupid. Liberalism is a persistant vegitative state. You and Mak41 prove that point every time you post here.
Bemused, and this is relevant because…. ?
Whether or not Saddam had anything to do with 911 (he did not), you’ll join me in congratulaing the USA for sticking up for the fundamental rights of man, yes? Or do you instead wax nostalgic for the good old days of Your Man Saddam, that nice fella responsible for 2,000,000 dead.
Bemused may be a jerk, or he may be a nice guy. No proof that he isn’t, no proof that he is.
See how easy it is to play that game?
You lefties just KNOW that Rove did something wrong because you want to believe it.
Bemused,
And you may or may not be a serial killer. There’s no proof that you are and no proof that you aren’t. But I’m sure a grand jury will get around to indicting you any day now, right?? Is that the kind of logic you’re using now??
Come on, stop insulting our intelligence. You’re just being a disingenuous prick for what reason I have no idea. If you think so little of the people with whom you “discuss” issues, what does that say about you??
McCain: Sigh… yes, because I think the invasion of Iraq has gone poorly, due to incompetence/willful ignorance within the administration, I therefore miss Saddam and secretly want to have his babies. Smarter wingnut please.
Hey Justrand: you aren’t protecting us. We need to take responsibility for our own airports and borders, since we haven’t done a great job with that. Our government is addressing that. But if you’d like to continue to pee in our beds for us, that would be great. Do you own shares of RubberSheets Inc.?
And BTW, you are incredibly disingenuous when you quote me as saying “surely the way to most effectively combat terrorism is with coordinated information sharing amongst free nations and preventative domestic security measures,” while leaving out the part that followed the comma: “in conjunction with precision air strikes and incursions when the situation requires it”. Why did you leave that part out? To make me look like a Kucinich? You think all liberals are weak, because you refuse to believe that not all liberals fit your preconceived notions thereof, and this clouds your thinking. It’s sad.
Big Mo, I am in fact a jerk, so I deny your analogy. 😉
Zelsdorf, I’ve been reading this blog for a week and a half, and you have never contributed anything worth reading to the discourse. And you sure sound like you could use some anger management. I care about you, dude–take care of yourself.
Bemused:
“We won the only war we fought against you, Les. 😉
And as far as me having to thank a GI, I’m not British, or French; I’m Canadian.”
I know. That’s why you should thank a G.I.
Because we do a lot to protect you. And it’s not always pretty. It’s sometimes a dirty job but someone’s gotta do it because nobody else in the world is stepping up to do it.
Oh, right, like that one time when you kept the North Vietnamese out of Winnipeg, or when you repelled Saddam’s invasion of Halifax? What are you talking about, Les?
Look, I have only Canadians to thank for Canada’s independence. And a few reluctant Brits.
OMG!
Leopold just announced Rove has been placed on Double Secret Probation…
Bemused’s moral-relativist position may be represented as:
A = B = C
It amuses me to see that liberals are unable to make a moral distinction between democratically elected people like George Bush and misunderstood action heroes like Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.
are we allowed to comment on this investigation yet?
I sure hope the administration will start to.
Personally, I think he flipped, but we’ll have to wait and see.
What are you talking about, McCain? Who is arguing for moral relativism? If I was a relativist, do you think I would care about prisoners in Guantanamo? Someone who takes a principled stand against Bush is not by default a fan of Saddam. I’m beginning to think that conservatives don’t even know what moral relativism is. Just because I think it appropriate to criticize the US, does not mean I am cheering for the bad guys. I just want the good guys to do better.
Again: smarter wingnut. Please.
“Oh, right, like that one time when you kept the North Vietnamese out of Winnipeg, or when you repelled Saddam’s invasion of Halifax?”
…or the 40 years or so that we kept the Soviets on the other side of the North Pole for you. The cooperation committee that plans responses to that sort of thing is still in force, by the way. You know, in case someone else (like China) decides that a handful of Canadian soldiers isn’t enough of a deterrent to keep them off of your oil fields or your other mineral deposits.
Sean – why would he flip? To what end? To roll on Darth Cheney?
No theory you lefties put fourth makes any sense.
You just want him to be guilty of something. You just KNOW IT and FEEL IT in your bones!!
But defense spokesman Mark Corallo told NRO’s Byron York this morning that “There are no conditions to this action by the special prosecutor. There has never been any talk of conditions, of cooperation, of anything that could even be construed as conditions. This just simply reflects the fact that the special prosecutor found Mr. Rove to be a truthful and credible witness from the beginning.”
In other words, no “deal,” no “there” there.
cirby, China won’t invade to take our oil. We’ll sell it to them for more than what we charge the U.S., and they’ll happily pay it. After all, they have all that American money to spend.
Global instability doesn’t help them any more than it helps us. So I think you’re jumping at shadows.
Yes Bemused, if you are a disciplined moral relativist, you would care just as much about Guantanamo as you do about the 2,000,000 dead for which Saddam Hussein is responsible. On the other hand, if you are an American-hating moral relativist propagandist, you would wring your hands more about Guantanamo than you do about those 2,000,000 dead.
So tell me your moral basis for caring so much, relatively, about a few people in Guantanamo Bay.
Show us where exactly you have written about Saddam Hussein’s injustice to fellow man.
I don’t have a blog, McCain. I cared about 2,000,000 dead Iraqis when sanctions were impeding their doctors’ efforts to care for sick and malnourished children. I still care about the Iraqis dying in the insurgency. I care about them so much, in fact, that I wish the invasion and occupation had been drawn up by adults and not the PNAC, so that there wouldn’t be thousands more dead Iraqis.
I also cared about the tortured Uzbekis, but since their dictator was part of the Coalition of the Willing, I bet you didn’t make a peep. And how long until you join the army to help out with the invasion of China? How many dead Chinese under Maoist rule? How many wingnut bloggers are crying for something to be done about the human rights abuses in China? Don’t talk to me about moral equivalence, you intellectual non-weight.
Bemused: “cirby, China won’t invade to take our oil. We’ll sell it to them for more than what we charge the U.S., and they’ll happily pay it. After all, they have all that American money to spend.”
Yes, the Chinese have ALL THAT AMERICAN MONEY….and yet we seem to able to generate so much more, everyday, year in, year out…..I wonder why that is so?
And by the way Bemused, in both World Wars, your fabulous Canadian troops (and I happen to agree that they were), would have been on the losing side if not for the US.
Of course, since you have to dredge up 60 year old memories of Canadian military prowess, that should tell you something about the current state of Canadian “preparedness”……