- [The] “idea that we’re going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong.“
Howard “Hanoi Howie” Dean, in an interview on WOAI Radio in San Antonio earlier this week.
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See above for your first point.
Yes he attacked Iran, but with our tacit approval. He attacked Kuwait 13 years before. He was weak and isolated and he knew it. Had he tried to attack anyone else, he probably wouldn’t have had to wait for us to get there to clean up the mess.
I was chatting with God lately,
Well look at that! Maybe you can be president too!
”Yes, I would have left things well enough alone.’
Not so well for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in the mass graves, eaten by dogs and fed thru shredders.
Yeah, and how about the thousand + Americans that died in New Orleans? How about the 35 + million Americans living in poverty? How about the 45 + million Americans without health insurance? How about Darfur? How about those being abused in China? What about those being sent by America to foriegn countries to be tortured? Oh wait, you support that. Sorry. The point is, there is no shortage of suffering in the world. Pick a direction, start walking, and it won’t take you too long to find someone being mistreated. Should we sending America soldiers to rescue them all?
This isn’t a humanitarian mission, and it never was. At least it wasn’t until we couldn’t find an Iraq Al-Quaeda connection, or couldn’t find WMD’s.
‘Yeah, and how about the thousand + Americans that died in New Orleans? ‘
WTF? Should we invade hurricanes?
‘How about the 35 + million Americans living in poverty? How about the 45 + million Americans without health insurance?’
Living with is a lot different than being dead from. Even you must be able to figure that out.
‘What about those being sent by America to foriegn countries to be tortured? Oh wait, you support that. ‘
You have no idea what I support, you’re projecting.
‘Pick a direction, start walking, and it won’t take you too long to find someone being mistreated.’
Having to wait in line at the ER and being fed thru a shredder are pretty different.
‘This isn’t a humanitarian mission,’
It’s not? Freeing a country from a genocidal mass murderer isn’t humanitarian?
No, jizzstain. We should have taken the men and the money that we’ve spent in Iraq and used it to fix the infrastructure problems we had in N.O.
So it’s not our responsiblity to make sure that all americans are probably cared for, but we have to go to war to make the Iraqi’s (who, btw, never stood up for themselves) are taken care of?
Actualy, that post wasn’t directed to you. But you’re a liar, anyway.
It’s not? Freeing a country from a genocidal mass murderer isn’t humanitarian?
No, that was a possibly fortunate byproduct.
Harmless dictator, Seamus? Isn’t that an oxy-“moron”? Not so harmless if you are in the UN-sponsored overflights being shot at on a regular basis (or, the 100,000’s in Iraq).
This red herring about not being able to save the world, therefore why save any other part of it is ludicrous. Under that theory, no WWI, WWII, Korean War participation, and more than 1/2 the world’s democracy would never have existed.
We took the battle to the terrorists instead of waiting for them to bring it to us. It is delusional to think that we would wage a war to feed and medicate Iraqis, but disregard the entire ty of what we knew about Saddam’s desire for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons that was well-established. So, the tripwire would be, “hey, let us feed you, or we start shooting tomrrow.”
You are quite a one-track thinker. Why can’t there be multiple goals in war (humanitarian and defensive, as well as standing-up Iraqi troops and smashing the insurgents)? You are so bent on making your I-hate-Chimpy-Hitler-Bush arguments that they become farcical.
I think you are the first person I have ever seen argue for a war for the sake of feeding and medicating people uner a ruthless dictator, but not for any other reason, and certainly not in defense of the U.S., despite every liberal and conservative in responsible positions all over the world acknowledging Saddam’s threat to us all.
It is really you playing 20/20 hindsight and assuming the worst about the Administration’s positions when even some reasonable Democrats can take a break from partisanship to speak the truth of what we are doing in Iraq (remember Leiberman?).
You sir are no Leiberman, that’s for damn sure.
Your rants are so poorly reasoned that I just now noticed that you a little earlier were telling us all that you thought war for the sake of humanitarian assistance in Iraq is fine by you, but your latest rant is that we shouldn’t do anything for anyone in the world as long as there are needy people in this country.
Which is it? Stay focused now, quit obsessing on BushieMcHitler for a few minutes and use that thick head of yours . . .
NEWS FROM IRAQ, via the Washington Post:
“As Iraqis nationwide prepare to go to the polls for the third time this year on Dec. 15 — this time for a new parliament — candidates and political parties of all stripes are embracing politics, Iraqi style, as never before and showing increasing sophistication about the electoral process, according to campaign specialists, party officials and candidates here.
“It is like night and day from 10 months ago in terms of level of participation and political awareness,” said a Canadian election specialist with the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, a group affiliated with the U.S. Democratic Party that is working to ease Iraq’s transition to democracy. . . .
In January, most candidates outside the dominant few parties largely eschewed campaigning, fearing they could be kidnapped or assassinated. Now, even long shots are getting into the act. One day this week, National Democratic Institute instructors explained get-out-the-vote techniques to a dozen members of the Free Iraq Gathering, a new coalition that “probably won’t get many more votes than you see in that room,” according to an institute employee.”
Definitely not worth having a thriving democracy in the Middle East; even with Democratic Party assistance!
Damn Mitchell, you ain’t that bright are you? Hopefully your mothger stopped smoking when she was pregnant with your siblings. I said quite clearly that I don’t think we should have gone in. But if we were going to go in , we should have done it as a legitimate humanitarian mission. Then we would have had the support of other countries, and we would have had the support of the people of Iraq.
‘So it’s not our responsiblity to make sure that all americans are probably cared for’
Like pets? Do you mean ‘properly’? Are you familiar with the term ‘personal responsibility’?
‘But you’re a liar, anyway.’ I’m sorry, what am I lying about?
”It’s not? Freeing a country from a genocidal mass murderer isn’t humanitarian?
No, that was a possibly fortunate byproduct. ‘
I’ll try to navigate the incoherence. Freeing Iraq from a mass murdering dictator wasn’t humanitarian? But it was ‘possibly’ fortunate?
Are you familiar with the term ‘personal responsibility’?
So personal resoponsibility does’t extend to the Iraqi’s? It’s the people of New Orleans personal responsibility to make sure the levee’s can handle a category five hurricane, but not the Iraqi’s personal responsibilty to stand up to a dictator who wants to put them in a shredder? Interesting! Amazing! Frightening! The mind of a conservative!
You’re lying about being against torture.
WE didn’t go to Iraq to free the people from a mass murderer.
If whoever ends up in charge of Iraq turns out not to be another homicideal, mass murderer, that will be a fortunate byproduct of this asinine war.
I just got off my speaker phone with God, and he authorized me and my Christian Brothers to establish a theocracy in the U.S.
When we get this thing up and running, we are coming to get you, sucka.
God also said that he hopes you won’t call him a “moron” or an “idiot” much less a “jizzstain.”
Nahhhh. God’s more of an asshole. Or a douchebag. Possiblyt a jizzjammer.