Many have wondered what was the purpose of the “Who’s Who In America” sitting on the desk in yesterday’s Robert Novak walk-off incident on CNN’s Inside Politics.
Josh Marshall points out this tidbit from an a Chicago Sun-Times piece on the incident explains:
In a column that ran in the Sun-Times on Monday, Novak suggested he learned Plame’s identity partly from reading Who’s Who in America. A CNN source said a producer had placed a copy of Who’s Who on the set Thursday prior to the taping, apparently so it could be consulted while Novak was asked about the issue.
So what would they have found?
Here’s what’s inside the book siting on that desk…
“Copyright (c) 2002 by Reed Elsevier, Inc.”
Melvin Schuetz from Baylor’s Moody Library forwarded Joseph Wilson’s bio from the 2003 edition of Who’s Who in America [Volume 2 (L-Z)]. He notes:
- Wilson’s entry carries over about 5 lines to the next column, which is why it cuts off in mid-sentence at the end. The relevant text is “m. Valerie Elise Plame, Apr. 3, 1998,” which not only appears in the 2003 edition, but ALL editions from 1999-2005!
So, via Who’s Who, the name “Valerie Plame” has been associated publicly with Joe Wilson since the Clinton era – nice secret… ***
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Update: For the commenters and blogs tracking back saying variation of, “Plame’s identity was never a secret,” (a point I address below at the ***) this post originally related back to what the book was doing on the table [See yesterday’s post on the Novak meltdown]. Was it supposed to scare Novak? Given the content of the book why would it? It says what he said it said…
Update 2: More on Novak and Plame later, but perhaps the raging debate in the comment section can dissect what effect, if any, Novak’s piece would have had if he used Valerie Wilson instead of Valerie Plame? Also do you think Novak, on hearing of the wife’s involvement got her name from Who’s Who and stuck with it OR found the Who’s Who reference to backup his source(s)?
*** Evidently one cannot even make a snarky remark about the Plame affair without having to explain oneself ad nauseum. OK here goes…
I’m over generalizing here, but it seem like there wasn’t an outing of an agent until two non-secret bits of information were combined.Joseph Wilson’s wife’s maiden name, most would now agree, was not a secret. That Wilson worked at the CIA was not widely known, but it was hardly a secret [See Cliff May at NRO and Just One Minute]. That Wilson’s wife was (or had been) a covert operative was only known to (if reports are to be believed) the Cuban government and perhaps those receiving information form Aldrich Ames, but it was still a secret. Novak puts two pieces of non-secret information together and gets this flashpoint.
But how did that combination “out” a covert agent? I turns out the the Valerie Plame name (remember, according to many commenters her name’s no big deal) was her cover. If her cover name was Valerie Jones how exactly would Novak’s column as it was written have “outed” her? It’s wouldn’t have. As former federal prosecutor Joesph DiGenoa contends it sure looks like the CIA didn’t exactly bust a nut to “take every conceivable step to protect this person’s identity.”
She hasn’t been covert since 1997, so there hasn’t been a “breach” regarding her former covert status.
“How exactly is Joe Wilson a liar?”
You asked for it (dumbass):
1. He said Cheney sent him to Africa (Lie – his wife recommended him at the CIA)
2. He said he found nothing (Lie – the PM of Niger told him an Iraqi delegation had come to talk about purchasing Uranium)
The guy’s the biggest self-important blowhard camera hound this side of McCain.
Send him to Gitmo!
People, people, people, she was not undercover! There was NO CRIME. She was CIA. Not a secret. She DID do what she could to get her husband selected for the trip. He then LIED about what he found and how he got selected to go.
What is SO hard to understand?
Dude, that James Bond comment was hilarious.
Also, the only person to have claimed knowing her CIA status before the leak is Cliff May of the National Review. No on else, not a neighbor, friend or cocktail party circuiteer has stepped forward saying they knew.
It proves Novak is being slippery, and begs the question why?
As much as you might say that Plame’s outing was for payback (which I don’t agree with, at worst it was just a mistake, Rove probably didn’t even know she was supposed to be covert), she wasn’t exactly in a position where outing her is a national secutiry issue. Her life is in absolutely no danger from this. If it was, then why has she been displayed happily on the cover of Vanity Fair, not bothering to hide, or find a safe house or anything.
Now we’re getting payback in reverse. The left is using the outing of someone who doesn’t matter a bit to attack Bush and friends like there is no tomorrow. That’s payback for winning the election.
This whole thing does not matter in the least to anyone, except in terms of what sort of political points they can score, and Joseph Wilson is right at the top of the list of people who have used this for personal gain. He got a book deal out of it, he got on lots of TV shows, and he got on the cover of a magazine. But did the outing affect our national security in any way? Did it cause a secret agent to die? Did it blow a massive secret operation? No, no, no. This is all about partisan bickering, with no real issue in sight.
Hi folks- Paul here…
I think several of you (all of you?) missed the whole point of the post.
The speculation was that Novak was running away from the contents of that big brown book. Clearly the contents (to what extent can me argued) tend to back him up…
Certainly it shows there was nothing in the book for him to be afraid of.
Since Novak made the claim she WAS in the book if she WAS NOT in the book it would make him look bad. Since she was in the book, it is extraordinarily doubtful he was running away because he saw a Who’s Who sitting on the desk.
The post was more about Novak’s motivation for leaving the CNN desk than who Plame was.
Frankly, I’m not sure why this needs explaining but apparently it does.
“…you see, your honor, the road was totally deserted, four whole empty lanes as far as the eye could see. The weather was perfect, my car is designed for much higher speeds, and I wasn’t hurting anybody. While I may have technically broken the law, I really don’t think doing 120 in a 55 zone with my lights out at 3:30 A.M. is really all that serious. I mean, c’mon–it’s not like I was gleefully running down pedestrians at a Girl Scout festival. It’s not my fault our traffic laws are so antiquated.”
“Do you really believe that Novak found out about Valerie Plame through Who’s Who? Did he then divine her idenity as a covert CIA operative through force of mental telepathy?”
Yes, I do. I bet he drank some of that Magical Kabbalah water Katherine Harris nagged the State of Florida into buying. If it can cure citris canker and make you lucky, I bet it can give you telepathy.
Oh, and we’ve turned the corner in Iraq, too.
Actually the points about Wilson lieing are as follows
1. He lied about how he got the mission (denied that he got it through his wife)
2. He lied about Niger not being approached to sell the ore to Iraq (his own report said they did)
3. He lied about the report itself (source – the congressional report)
4. Lied about his wife’s covert status (the neighbors all knew who his wife was employed by).
5. Lied about the report being sent to the Vice President’s office (Mr. Cheney never knew of such a report)
6. Lied about the truth of the 16 words (The British still maintain that their sources show the claim was true).
Is that enough for everyone? There is more as can be seen at many places on the net.
I don’t see why every wingnut takes it on face value that she was a “desk jockey.” SHE WAS A NOC, PEOPLE!
Do you think the CIA kept her with that classification out of inertia? Or do you think it just might be possible that the “desk jockey” story is A LIE TO COVER UP HER CONTINUING COVERT STATUS?
Wow! Deception — from the CIA? Who’da thunk?
What was a secret was that his wife worked for the CIA
No doubt she took the secret CIA transporter to beam into work each day instead of driving into the front gate. The fact that someone works at the CIA is not a secret.
Fine, so the CIA said she was a desk jockey as a cover. Then I say she works for the CIA, I’m outing a desk jockey, not a covert agent. That would make it the CIAs fault, not mine, because why the heck should I be worried about saying a desk jockey works for the CIA?
Wow, you must’ve been linked on DU, Kevin. Congrats. Now can you get rid of this moonbat infestation?
So far, the only wrongdoing that has been established is that on the part of Joe Wilson.
Sabba
Point 1 is a gross and politically-motivated misinterpretation of what Joe Wilson actually said.
Point 2 is a gross and politically-motivated misinterpretation of what Joe Wilson actually said.
Point 3 is a gross and politically-motivated misinterpretation of what Joe Wilson actually said.
Point 4 is a gross and politically-motivated misinterpretation of what Joe Wilson actually said.
Point 5 is a gross and politically-motivated misinterpretation of what Joe Wilson actually said.
Point 6 is a gross and politically-motivated misinterpretation of what Joe Wilson actually said.
I really can’t see how anybody can possibly deny this and still consider themselves human, American, patriotic, or even sentient. The evidence supporting my statements is overwhelming and readily available on any one of the many Internets, and I’ll further assert the unnasailable veracity of my points by concluding this post with the statement “Period.” on a single line.
Period.
Not really adding anything new here, the previous 40 or so comments seem to have it covered, but this has got to be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this blog, and believe me, it’s got some competition.
Yeah, Joe Wilson’s wedding to Valerie took place under cover of darkness, on a secluded island in the Indian Ocean. In the years thereafter, Joe denied that the gold band around his left ring finger was a wedding ring, instead insisting that it was merely a “good luck charm.” His friends began to think he might be gay after he repeatedly turned down his friends who wanted to set-up the stubbornly single bachelor with eligible women. Well, I guess the secret’s finally out. Joe Wilson is married to Valerie Plame. Man, and to think I could have just consulted my trusty Who’s Who from ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1999!
The extent of your stupidity beggars belief.
It was a crime. It was Rove. Deal with it.
onlyabill – it’s not that it’s hard to understand, it’s just that it’s not complicated enough to draw attention away from Joe Wilson’s lack of credibility, which is the only issue of any significance in this entire affair. “Who ‘outed’ Plame” has been an exercise in press obfuscation since Novak provided the opportunity. Stupid, stupid Novak.
Wilson did lie about his wife’s involvement in his selection. That’s now public record.
He didn’t lie about what he found in Niger. He assumed the CIA agreed with his conclusion, also now public record. The problem arose when he arrogantly attacked the administration based on that assumption. The flipflops he’s executed since have been an attempt to misdirect from his own misdeeds.
http://tinyurl.com/7c4n4 – check the comments for the Timeline.
Tom… the traffic laws being antiquated is totally different than the protection of covert identities. All the SOF guys do manage to keep their work secret. Their wives & families very rarely know anything about where, or what, the “job” is.
And if one of the SOF spouses EVER outed the operator – it would compromise the mission, and potentially cause mortal danger. I can’t imagine that even Joe Wilson (who was desperate to keep a plum-book assignment) would do something that might cause his own wife harm.
Therefore – she wasn’t likely to be in any harm. And he never had any concern when having her announced at a State Dinner in the 90s… gimme a break. Valerie Plame Wilson was a desk jockey. Her husband is a gossiping social climber. Unfortunately – so is Robert Novak.
No doubt she took the secret CIA transporter to beam into work each day instead of driving into the front gate. The fact that someone works at the CIA is not a secret.
Just like the Director of the Directorate of Operations. Why can’t I find his name anywhere?
Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction.
I really hate to jump into the middle of this, but Novak never stated that Valerie Plame was a covert operative, as the above quote shows. So, what I’m wondering is, what difference does it make that people knew that “Valerie Plame” worked for the CIA? I assume covert agents don’t use their real names.
“… this has got to be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this blog, and believe me, it’s got some competition.”
The commie-left said the same thing about Den Beste’s post that asserted that France would nuke us if we attacked Iraq. They were wrong then too. France launched its missiles, but Our Leader used his special God powers to destroy the warheads before they re-entered the atmosphere.
Darwin Finch
Wrong again, dumbass:
1. Total lie. Never sad Cheney sent him to Africa.
2. Gross and politically-motivated misinterpretation of what Joe Wilson actually said.
I see nothing about Valerie Plame Wilson being in CIA employ there.
Hmmm.
1. Well. Looks like the goof-ball liberals are out in force today. Must be the weather.
2. “Just like the Director of the Directorate of Operations. Why can’t I find his name anywhere?”
Christ you bastards bore the crap out of me:
http://ctstudies.com/Document/911_Commission_Pavitt_Pistole_Testimony.html
” JAMES L. PAVITT
DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, CIA “
Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=cia+ddo+2005&btnG=Search
Google, yet to be discovered by liberals. I bet when one of you twits finally discovers Google, you’ll get a f-ing Medal Of Honor and get your name in the damn history books.
I sure hope it happens pretty soon, this is getting old.
Valerie Plame Wilson was a desk jockey. Her husband is a gossiping social climber. Unfortunately – so is Robert Novak.
…and yet, for some reason, folks are going to jail and a federal investigation into this matter is rapidly picking up steam. Odd, when you consider how very little harm has been done–given, of course, that Plame’s outing is of no real consequence.
One can only conclude that Patrick Fitzgerald must be an undercover Democratic Party operative who hates America.
(Whoop–sorry, I meant Democrat party operative. I keep forgetting that we’re no longer extending the courtesy of referring to the Democratic Party by its proper name.)
Man you wingers are dumb, while talking about “logic”.
1) Plame’s neighbor was publicly quoted as saying she had no idea Plame was CIA.
2) Wilson said he went on behalf of the VP’s office, which right wing desk jockeys later (purposefully) misconstrued as him saying that he said he was sent by Cheney. True.
3) If you still believe that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake from Niger, then you’re hopeless. This has been widely disproven.
4) Plame’s identity was not a secret. She had a public persona as an energy consultant working for a consulting company. And yes, part of that persona included the fact that she was married to Wilson. What was secret was that she, and the company she worked for, were CIA.
5) There has been no evidence that Plame’s identity as a CIA agent (note, I’m not saying Plame’s identity, as in her name, dumbasses) was widely known, other than a statement by Novak and followup by the usual right wing talking heads.
This disagreement all derives from the fact that you wingers get your “news” from highly dubious sources, the same ones that told you that Iraq was an imminent threat to the US in 2003, the same ones that told you that Al Qaeda was an exaggeration by Clinton to distract from his Lewinsky scandal in 1996 and 1997, and the same ones that tell you that success in Iraq is just around the corner.
Maybe you should find new news sources, dumbasses. And please refrain from using the word “logic” until you can make a logical argument. For example, if all of your argument is contingent on the word of one dubious source (Novak), and is contrary to all other available information, this is not a good argument.
Found this though the swamp of braindead leftists at Atrios.
Is this blog always so infested by total morons?
I thought the big deal about the Who’s Who entry was the name “Plame” as opposed to “Wilson”.
Supposedly, when she married Wilson she took his name both personally and professionally – she was “Valerie Wilson” to friends, family and colleagues.
One of the few places where she was still “Valerie Plame” was in Joe Wilson’s Who’s Who entry.
Presumably, if someone was specifically trying to blow her cover in retaliation, they would have used the name everyone knew her by – Valerie Wilson. However, if someone leaked/mentioned that nepotism was somehow involved in his being chosen to go to Niger (i.e., trying to undermine his credibility, not trying to punish him by outing his wife), a journalist (Novak) might simply have pulled down his copy of Who’s Who and found the “Valerie Plame” reference and used that name.
Is this blog always so infested by total morons?
Dunno, Gary; first time here. How often are YOU here?
Anyways..
The NRO has already proved that Plame was outed in the mid-1990s.
As well, a lot of this investigation is just a ghosthunt
Well.. hopefully there’s fewer stupid leftists around. Or else we’ll be forced to smack them around and expose their their lies.
This thread is definitely infested with morons. Moonbats denying reality are abound.
It always nice to see what the mental midgets are thinking on the other side though. So please keep up the whacko postings and the uninformed opinions. It’s good reading!
Michael Scott posted:
I don’t see why every wingnut takes it on face value that she was a “desk jockey.” SHE WAS A NOC, PEOPLE!
Do you think the CIA kept her with that classification out of inertia? Or do you think it just might be possible that the “desk jockey” story is A LIE TO COVER UP HER CONTINUING COVERT STATUS?
Wow! Deception — from the CIA? Who’da thunk?
A NOC wouldn’t be publicly known as a desk jockey at Langley, no way, no how!
This is so idiotic that it defies belief.
It reminds me of a line from a Laurel and Hardy movie where they play henpecked husbands.
They want to go to a convention and engage in a little hanky-panky (or what passed for that in those days) but don’t want their wives to know-
Stan:
“I know! We’ll go to the convention and tell our wives that we’re going to the convention, and they’ll never be the wiser.”
Plame was blown before 1997 when she was reassigned to Washington and a desk (this fact makes anyone’s “outing” of her not a crime under the applicable statute due to the five-year limitation).
It was suspected, but not proven that Aldrich Ames supplied her name to the Russians, but the other instance falls right at the foot of the CIA:
from an Andrew McCarthy article in National Review discussing an amicus brief from the media in the Judith Miller case:
The press informs the judges that the CIA itself “inadvertently” compromised Plame by not taking appropriate measures to safeguard classified documents that the Agency routed to the Swiss embassy in Havana. In the Washington Times article — you remember, the one the press hypes when it reports to the federal court but not when it reports to consumers of its news coverage — Gertz elaborates that “[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them.”
Once somebody has been blown, you can’t unblow them and blow them again.
Game over.
It’s all about sex, let’s just move on.
Hmmm.
1. “4. Lied about his wife’s covert status (the neighbors all knew who his wife was employed by).”
Actually this is wrong. This assertion is derived from Scott of PowerlineBlog, who uncritically repeated it from a reader to emailed him, and there is no justification or proof of this anywhere that I could find.
Adjust your thinking accordingly, or don’t. It’s not like I care all that much.
2. “I see nothing about Valerie Plame Wilson being in CIA employ there.”
What? You didn’t see the previous 4,500+ posts that basically said the same thing?
Try being original. At least write it backwards or something so it’ll amuse.
3. “I don’t see why every wingnut takes it on face value that she was a “desk jockey.” SHE WAS A NOC, PEOPLE!”.
Wonderful. You people finally watched “Mission Impossible”. Here’s a clue. You can be on a NOC list, but I’d suggest it would be pretty damn stupid to be on a NOC list and still work at Langely i.e. CIA headquarters.
I think it’s possible that people, dealing with covert nuclear weapons proliferation nonsense, might be a little hesitant to deal with someone who used to work at the CIA headquarters.
What Plame going to do? Just shrug it off and say it was just a summer job?
…
Good luck Kevin, they’re all yours.
Goof-ball liberals? Morons? Brain-dead leftists? Oh, the brutal sting of the sardonic riposte! The razor wit! The crushing blow of Truth Absolute! Gentlemen, please! Your words, they hurt! I can stand no more!
I…I think I need to go cry on Susan Sarandon’s shoulder for a few. Then I’ll hug a tree full of baby seals.
*sniff*
goy said: “Wilson did lie about his wife’s involvement in his selection. That’s now public record.”
Wilson did not lie. He was the “beard” — the front man who draws attention to himself so that someone else can work in relative anonymity. Plame had the perfect cover as the wife of a diplomat. Once in country she could do her spy thing behind the scenes while Wilson did his diplomat thing in front of the cameras. That’s why Wilson denied that she had anything to do with his mission. Think about it for a second. If it were your spouse in the CIA would you draw attention to her or admit her status thus endangering her life?
Some of these angry little donkeys should get a clue: you want to find out where Plame works?
1. Get her address in one of many ways available when you know her name, her husband’s name, and where her husband works (from WW).
2. Follow her to work one morning.
3. Not complicated (for some).
The point is that her identity as a CIA employee could have easily been ascertained at any time after 1999 when Joltin’ Joe wrote his first pathetic little Who’s Who entry.
Wow. So many lying liars. Please illustrate any of the ridiculous rantings and frothings that you indulge in, freepi, are anything other than cover for treacherous slime.
Rove. Libby. Probably Feith.
Oh, and please defend Franklin, too.
Ed says:
“I think it’s possible that people, dealing with covert nuclear weapons proliferation nonsense, might be a little hesitant to deal with someone who used to work at the CIA headquarters.
What Plame going to do? Just shrug it off and say it was just a summer job?”
In a similar vein, I think that WMD dealers might be a little hesitant to deal with someone whose husband works as a CIA contractor for WMD hunts and brags about it in the NYT. What was Plame going to do? Just shrug it off and say “I do not bring my work home?”
Hmmm.
@ Ring Wing Dumbass, actually more likely a “Left Wing Dumbass”, but that would be impolite.
1) Plame’s neighbor was publicly quoted as saying she had no idea Plame was CIA.
Correct.
2) Wilson said he went on behalf of the VP’s office, which right wing desk jockeys later (purposefully) misconstrued as him saying that he said he was sent by Cheney. True.
Wrong as hell. Wilson has repeatedly stated that we was sent by the VP.
3) If you still believe that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake from Niger, then you’re hopeless. This has been widely disproven.
Wrong as hell, as proven in the SCCI report.
4) Plame’s identity was not a secret. She had a public persona as an energy consultant working for a consulting company. And yes, part of that persona included the fact that she was married to Wilson. What was secret was that she, and the company she worked for, were CIA.
Correct. However you left out that she worked at Langely. Tough being a covert agent and reporting to Langely every day.
5) There has been no evidence that Plame’s identity as a CIA agent (note, I’m not saying Plame’s identity, as in her name, dumbasses) was widely known, other than a statement by Novak and followup by the usual right wing talking heads.
Wrong again. Look at the friend of the court, legal filing made by the MSM, particularly the New York Times.
The CIA itself has outed Plame at least twice.
But hey, you win a prize. At least you’re not off in some wonderland of fluffy clouds and pink unicorns, which most liberals seem to inhabit.
Congrats.
My gawd, the rightwingnazis on this board are total morons.
TOTAL MORONS.
Where does it ever say that she is a CIA Op?
It never fails to amaze me that the rightwingnutnazis feel that she could not work at the CIA headquarters and be an undercover agent.
You people are totally stupid. How many other undercover agents work there who are undercover? Probably thousands and thousands, because driving there is the same as announcing that you are an undercover agent.
What are undercover agents supposed to do, you fucking morons? Live on a cot there?
Hey JC Christian-
Here’s what Denbeste said:
Let’s clear something out of the way, first: once the tanks cross the Iraqi border, nothing can save Saddam. The only thing France could do once that takes place which could conceivably bring us up short would be to threaten to nuke us, and that’s not going to happen.
Maybe you should have done a web search like I did before saying something that wrong.
Ms. Plame had not been a covert agent for 6 years by the time the Novak article appeared. The current reason given is that the agency brought her “in from the cold” because they feared that she had been outed by Aldridge Aimes. Novak has repeatedly stated that he talked to the CIA and he has stated that they essentially ok’d his use of her identity. We do know that it is illegal for the CIA to use undercover operatives in the United States that would be the job of the FBI. So we know that the 6 years in the states leaves this situation out of the realm of the “Agee” statute, due to the 5 year time limit in that statute. We should realistically wonder why the CIA would have a previously “outed” undercover agent “operating” in the United States. Occam’s razor gives us a reasonable answer: Ms. Plame was not an undercover agent. If Ms. Plame was an undercover agent operating in the United States then she and her “handlers” would have been engaging in criminal conduct. That, of course, involves the term “frogwalk”.
JS:Plame had the perfect cover as the wife of a diplomat. Once in country she could do her spy thing behind the scenes while Wilson did his diplomat thing in front of the cameras. That’s why Wilson denied that she had anything to do with his mission. Think about it for a second. If it were your spouse in the CIA would you draw attention to her or admit her status thus endangering her life?
Given the established public nature of her maiden name documented above, the day Wilson’s editorial appeared in the NYT Valerie Plame went from being the wife of Joseph Wilson, former ambassador, retired, to the wife of Joseph Wilson, CIA contractor that investigates WMD and can not keep his mouth shut.
It is clear from the comments of the reichwingnutnazis morons on this board that they are trying to simply abolish the CIA. After all, they don’t agree that you can be undercover and work at the CIA too. And so we must abolish the CIA.
You guys are so stupid. But then you are conservatives, and in today’s conservamoron right, to be right is to be stupid.
And let’s not forget:
NIGER DOES NOT EQUAL AFRICA!
Darwin Finch –
Are we back to semantics and what the definition of “is” is? How refreshing!
Joe Wilson screamed from the rooftops that Bush lied about Niger Uranium. Only for the bi-partisan US Senate Select Intelligence Committee, CIA and British Butler Report… ALL say that Wilson’s report SUPPORTED their assessment that Iraq was seeking Uranium. Are they ALL wrong and only Joe right? Seriously?
This is one of the biggest non-scandal scandals in recent history. Watching the seething anger and gotcha politics on the Left is most disturbing and explains why they are losing more and more power.
Pardon me if I find it hard to believe that the Left has a new found concern for the security of our forces when they are leading the charge to show more Abu Graib pictures, NYTimes publishing tail numbers of CIA planes, and giving the Islamofascists moral support with their sloppy rhetoric (comparing the US to Nazis, Gulag Archipelogo…)
Pathetic! But keep on flogging away!
And for all the frucking reichwingnutnazis, most real Americans don’t agree with you fascists. Approval of Fascist George’s handling of the FakeIraq War is down to 38 %.
I used to agree that the RepukeliKKKan party was not the same as being a fascist. That is no longer true.