The Richard Perle v DNC Chairman Howard Dean debate promised to put the lefties on parade for all they were worth… They never disappoint.
Protester Throws Shoe at Richard Perle
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) – Howard Dean, the newly minted leader of the Democratic Party, and former Pentagon adviser Richard Perle made clear their opposing views on the war in Iraq during a debate marred by a protester who tossed a shoe at Perle.
Perle had just started his comments Thursday when a protester threw a shoe at him before being dragged away, screaming, “Liar! Liar!”
I bet they weren’t leather shoes.
For those of you still clinging to hope the Democratic party can ever again represent the mainstream, do you give up yet?
Related: TNR say, liberalism is now bookless and dying, yup that about sums it up.
UPDATE The video of the debate can be see here I have not previewed it to see if the Birkenstock Bandit is on it.
Okay, I don’t think it is fair to say that all liberals/DNC members support the shoe thrower. I think it would be hard to argue that Dean supports the shoe thrower.
I do think it is fair to attack Deans positions, but there are Republicans I am not too keen on, and frankly, I wouldn’t want to be painted with their tar, just because they have an R by their name.
So I guess, it isn’t really all that fair to slam r.a. on this one, he pretty much disavowed the shoe thrower, and has said he isn’t all that thrilled with Dean. Although r.a. I can’t help but wonder, if you don’t care for Dean, who did you support for DNC chairman?
Oh, and I am still waiting for a liberal to point out, the last GOP shoe thrower, and the last GOP leader who said they hated democrats and all they stood for?
the last GOP leader who said they hated democrats and all they stood for?
How about Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Rielly, Rev. Farwell, et al? The Republican leadership pays these guys [well, not Farwell] to tow the party line. They even planted someone in the white house press corps to toss softball questions at the president. All these guys are so full of hate for everything “liberal” progressive” “democratic” and “secular” that they can’t even see straight.
The repbulican leadership pays Limbaugh, Hannity, and O’Reilly? Claims like this don’t surprise me coming from a guy who believes it “tow” the line rather than toe the line but still you should have enough sense to know that if you make a claim you should be able to back it up. Got some proof? If you’re looking for paid political hacks you need look no further that Al Franken. Limbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly all seem to be making a fine living from the profits of highly rated shows, unlike the publicly acknowledged handouts Franken receives.
“How about Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Rielly, Rev. Farwell, et al?”
Please back this up.
Also, these people aren’t “leaders” in the GOP, they are politically biased radio/TV personalities.
The leftie clown (sorry for being redundant) missed Perle because radical leftie men throw like girls.
Hmmm.
Pretty amusing discussion. I must admit it got me laughing.
“The leftie clown (sorry for being redundant) missed Perle because radical leftie men throw like girls.”
Ummm. Anybody remember the pictures of Kerry throwing/catching footballs on this site?
http://www.footballfansfortruth.us/
Really, there are more then enough loons on both sides. It’s fun to sit back and watch both examples in their rabid dog stance on any issue. It makes for good copy/viewing. But does it really represent the view of the majority? I would say not, but that is my opinion.
This all turns into a big he said, she said, or we said, they said. What is the value?
If you want examples of loons on the right, just go to your local doctor’s office where abortions are performed. The majority of those protesting will be extreme rightists and well within their right to do so. But you may find a group there as well, particularly if there are cameras present, doing things like screaming at a woman as she enters the doctors office, calling her a murderer. Even though the woman may simply be entering the clinic for a check up. This is just one example, there are others.
The point is, no one can claim the moral high ground when it comes to loons.
I am more right of center, so I registered with the Republican party (the party I registered with because that is the only way you can vote in a primary here in Kalifornia). Then I was called to contribute money, I told the nice young lady that when my chosen party stopped listening to the extreme religious right, I would gladly contribute.
You see, I was brought up to believe that a persons religion, or lack there of, was a personal matter and had no place in politics. That a belief in God, Allah, Budda, or whom ever you worship as your particular “higher being”, could not be forced on you by the government. But in that same vein, we as a people should not force the government to favor any particular religion or religious philosophy. That is one of my problems with being a Republican.
This is just an example of where”our” party is falling down and how we don’t have the moral high ground in any argument about loons.
I apologize if it drifted a bit, but I hope you get the point.
The point is, no one can claim the moral high ground when it comes to loons.
Uh, not even people who aren’t loons?
I apologize if it drifted a bit, but I hope you get the point.
Right. Your point is that you are a one issue voter.
Right. Your point is that you are a one issue voter.
Wrong, but I expected that sort of nonsense response.
I could have used numerous other examples, for both sides, but rather then belabor the point, I chose a single easy to understand example. I guess it was lost on some.
You also bring to light another problem that many of “our party” claim the left suffers from, but not the Republicans. An unwillingness to listen, acknowledge and consider differing points of view from within the same party, not very inclusive is it?
If I were a “one issue voter“, then Kerry would have had my vote, don’t you think? Since I did not vote for him, that kind of trashes your theory.
Just Me:
So I guess, it isn’t really all that fair to slam r.a. on this one, he pretty much disavowed the shoe thrower, and has said he isn’t all that thrilled with Dean.
Thanks for that. You’re one of the few on here that actually reads what I write, and doesnt just react because I’m a “liberal.” Thanks.
So, to answer your question:
Although r.a. I can’t help but wonder, if you don’t care for Dean, who did you support for DNC chairman?
First of all, I’m not a registered Democrat, I’m registered Independent. I have to say that I dont have a strong love for any particular party. I’m not all that concerned with saying that I am part of any group. I find positive aspects and ideas in both Dems and Repubs, negatives as well.
So I’m somewhere in the middle.
As far as the DNC…well I looked into a them and Roemer more than any other, but my honest answer is that I wasnt really impressed with ANY of them.
I was just talking with one of my friends about who the Dems might select for 2008, and I’m hoping that they make a wise choice, maybe pick someone with a message, someone with some force behind what they say. But, we’ll see about that.
I was also at this event.
Reading the comments above is so representative of you right wing nutters. You paint with a broad brush. DISSENT IS NOT ALLOWED!
While I don’t condone the show throwing… the man had his reasons.
1. 1477 troops KILLED.
2. 10,000 + critically injured
3. $300 BILLION
4. ZERO WMD.
What did Perle do? He offered NO misgivings, no remorse, no guilt, no regrets. He doesn’t care.
On to Syria, Iran, and every damn country that offers an alternative view to the neoconservative madness. That is truly obscene.
PS: Howard Dean was masterful. A real statesman, a visionary, amn American hero.
Since I did not vote for him, that kind of trashes your theory.
No, you’ve proved my theory. You really are a pompous twit.
On to Syria, Iran, and every damn country that offers an alternative view to the neoconservative madness. That is truly obscene.
No, what is truly obscene and mad, is that you think Syria and Iran are an alternative to anything. However, I do hope you are representative of the New Democratic Party.
Jay just what are Syria and Iran an alternative to?
I am thinking you are one of those screwballs who actually thinks the US deserves terrorist attacks, if you think Syria and Iran aren’t a threat and are a viable alternative to (from context I am assuming you mean US policy-but you may feel free to answer my first question to clarify).
Jay in Oregon wrote:
While I don’t condone the show throwing… the man had his reasons.
The guy may have had his reasons, but freaking out, yelling obscenties, and throwing shit isnt a very productive means of dissent in my book. It didnt look very intelligent.
I understand where you are coming from, but backing some dude who freaks out for the “cause” isnt something that you’re going to see me doing.
What did Perle do? He offered NO misgivings, no remorse, no guilt, no regrets. He doesn’t care.
In all fairness I would guess that Perle was probably caught off guard…and the actions of the shoe thrower didnt really warrant any sympathetic response. Perle had a free pass actually, thanks to the outburst.
In my book, as far as dissent goes, what that shoe thrower did was as far from effective as one can get. Thats not the way for the “left” to be doing business at all. Actions like that detract from any argument that liberals are trying to make.
On to Syria, Iran, and every damn country that offers an alternative view to the neoconservative madness. That is truly obscene.
I’m not a neoconservative fan at all. But, I certainly wouldnt consider the leadership of Iran and Syria to be a viable “alternative view.” Neither Syria or Iran is a beacon of freedom. The neocons adhere to a certain ideology which I have issues with. However, I am not about to express support for two oppressive governments like Iran and Syria as an alternative.
The enemy of your enemy should NOT automatically be your friend.
Thats the trap that I see people fall into…they disagree with what Cheney, or Rumsfeld, or Wolfowitz says, which is fine, thats dissent…but then they go on to express support for some oppressive regime, that’s is a bad move, and pisses off lots of Americans.
Dont lionize some criminal just because he’s the target of those you disagree with. Go straight after the policies and actions you disagree with.
No, you’ve proved my theory. You really are a pompous twit.
Pot, meet kettle.
lol
No, what is truly obscene and mad, is that you think Syria and Iran are an alternative to anything.
Julie…here I agree with you…supporting the governments of those two countries is the last thing that any of us should be doing, no matter how much you might diagree with US policy.
And as far as DavidB goes, why not just read what he writes and address the guy’s ideas instead of attacking him? I understand that he may say things that you dont believe, but when you respond by attacking him, it doesnt reflect very well on you.
Of course, I’m sure that you will do your usual name calling bit toward me, but that wont be any surprise….
No, you’ve proved my theory. You really are a pompous twit.
ROTFLMAO . . .That wasn’t your original theory, can’t remember what it was? Here I will help with a little reminder…
Right. Your point is that you are a one issue voter.
One which I addressed, and slapped down, once again, with a simple explanation that was lost on you.
But you did prove the other theory that I briefly put forth, remember this…
You also bring to light another problem that many of “our party” claim the left suffers from, but not the Republicans. An unwillingness to listen, acknowledge and consider differing points of view from within the same party, not very inclusive is it?
I can hardly wait for your throughly enlightened response!
I’m beginning to see a patern developing. Black repulican Alphonso Jackson (HUD secretary) got booed off stage making a speech in a black church in new orleans. Then Michel Malkins speech at berkley with all the collage kids outside the room screaming their lungs out trying to stiffel her lecture. The next month they assult Ann Coulter with pie while she lectured. Now Richard Perel gets a shoe thrown at him in a debate.
How long before one of these nut jobs throws acid on sombody they disagree with?
They remind me of how the taliban and islamic fundimetalists work to keep there peoples in line. If the liberals dont stop these nuts there whole party is doomed. Im a Zell Miller democrat myself.