I’ve looked around and have not seen this discussed. Maybe it was too self-evident or maybe I just missed it.
Why was it only conservative bloggers who were outraged at Eason Jordan’s comments? Jordan accused the U.S. military of murdering journalists, yet the left side of the blogosphere felt no outrage?? I find that curious. There are only a 4 possibilities I can come up with:
1) They hate the military anyway, so slandering them was not a big deal.
2) They believed the insanity.
3) They knew Jordan was “on their side” so they protected one of their own no matter how egregious the behavior.
4) Their hatred of George Bush is so out of control they actually hoped it was true and could be tied to his orders.
It was most probably a combination of all of the above. The left has never been a friend of the people who protect this country. Clinton “loathed” the military and the liberals were OK with it. That hatred might have even lead them to believe it to be true. After all, when you go around shrieking about the military being baby killers and just trying to steal Iraq’s oil, killing a few journalists would not be too far fetched.
Maybe they were quiet because they knew Jordan was one of them and they wanted him to protect him. It would not be the first time. Clinton abused women -one of the cardinal sins of the left- and he got a pass from the lefties because they liked his politics. You never heard the National Organization for Women complain about Clinton like they did Thomas or Packwood.
The most cynical reason of all is their hatred for Bush was so strong they hoped what Jordan said was true…. This is horrific to consider. That they would wish that upon their country for political gain. Still- their past behavior does not preclude that conclusion.
Whatever the reason, I think it speaks poorly of the lefty bloggers. We are a country at war and when our military was accused of a horrendous act, they remained silent. After an event like this, both sides should be united in a quest to get to the bottom of the allegations. — And dare I say it, both sides should have turned a skeptical eye toward Mr. Jordan’s comments.
But whatever motivates the left, it is clear that love of the military isn’t it. Add this to the ever growing list of reasons why the majority of America does not trust the left with power.
“Where are you getting this information from? And when you say you recently found in class, do you mean you’re class did a survey? Of whom?”
In public opinion there are a lot of phenomena. The educational phenomena in terms of educations apparent correlation with party identification and self-described placement on the liberal/conservative spectrum is what i was referring to.
The numbers as the class are primarily based on a textbook, Public Opinion published in 1999 and authored by Carroll J. Glynn of Ohio State University, Susan Herbst of Northwestern University, Garret J. O’Keefe of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, and Robert Y. Shapiro of Columbia University. They refer to various studies, including such regular polls as the GSS and NES. I took the class was last year, which for me is recent, at the University of Central Florida.
Its important to know that one thing we learned is that Public Opinion is an evershifting study that centers a lot on trends and various relationships or phenomena. Surveys, polls, etc often can’t prove why, but they can point out patterns. The one I referred to earlier was that a conservative trend is found among those with bachelor level degrees but that for those graduate and post graduate studies there is a tendency to be more liberal. I personally find this to be evident in academia, which isn’t to say that all professors are liberal it is merely to say that more are than are not.
If I get the chance I will analyze the NES2000 data we are currently working with in my scope and methods class to see what that data shows. I’ll post that at my site at: http://www.seriouslynow.net
I suppose you feel that censorship is power Paul. Well, to me it seems to prove that you cannot engage in debate that counters your ideas. I wonder how Kevin feels about you deleting posts that disagree with you. It seems that you would want to maintain a certain level of integrity, but clearly that isnt the case.
Your actions reveal your cowardice.
I stayed away from this whole argument because of what r.a. said. My last attempt to throw softballs at Paul ended in disaster. Paul goes off on Power trips, and sounds as bad as Rob Hackney sometimes. He reminds me of a kid who, when you try to tell them something they don’t want to hear, covers their ears and goes “LALALALALALALALALALA”, then claims that what you said is wrong.
speaking truth to Journalists. The left win Blogs follow the MSM. The right wing blogs follow the blood trail
ra you apparently can’t read.
I’ve said multiple times that I will never delete you for disagreeing. But when you make asinine remarks, I’ll keep them in check.
But for the record, you’ve never really disagreed with me because you can’t. I say things that are demonstrably true. Instead, what you do is you disprove something I didn’t say then imply that what I said was wrong because of that.
It is a technique you’ve perfected. I have a short fuse for intellectual dishonesty.
Sorry, thems is the breaks.
– If I were to accept the idea that I’m basically anti-Liberal/Marxist/Socialist/Progressive I wouldn’t think that a bad thing, although thats an easy cop-out….playing the “victim” when you’re not too proud of the groups actions that you are affiliated with is just weak…..
– Its not hard being “anti” any group that marches around with signs that say …”We support our troops when they shoot their officers”….
– If I took the time to sit down and simply list all of the egregious, over the top, criminal, libelous actions of the left for the past 15 months I would need a hell of a lot of paper….No…the two sides of this equation are not “morally equivalent”… not in the opinion of anybody with a working brain cell….
– But its one of the “business as usual” outs for the AssHats and their ilk…..
– The really good news is the “elitist” left still isn’t listening to anybody, and insists on making their choice of party logo apropos wuth their inane arguments…..
Oh get off it Paul. My “intellectually dishonest” statement that set you off was when I didnt pretend to know what then consensus is on Eason Jordan by soldiers in Iraq? I did venture a guess that many are probably pissed, and that some probably just think that he’s an idiot. How is that in any way dishonest? I dont know what they think, I can guess what many probably think, but why is it so offensive to you when I wont make generalizations about what I dont know?
I really dont get why you were set off by that one, and why that was such a horrible sentence that you needed to lash out about it. Damn, I was being honest in saying that I dont know what they think. For all I know many guys there dont give a damn what some liberal like Jordan says.
About the thread: I was answering your question about why it was all conservatives who took out Jordan, and the answer is really simple…political gain and bullshit, and I wasnt supporting liberals for it by any means.
But by your logic, silence on the part of liberal bloggers somehow implicates “the left” automatically. I tried to get you to consider the fact that both sides do things that are politically motivated, and that its not really accurate to condemn the entire left for this Eason Jordan ordeal.
Conservatives didnt go haywire about exposing the prison scandal at Abu Ghraib, understandably. By no means do I think that because of that, all people on the right support what happened, or are morally inferior, or anything. Thats basically what you are implying about the left on this post, and I’m just trying to get you to think a little more relatively.
I do disagree with what you are implying about the left, based on lefty bloggers reaction to this issue.
I am not disagreeing with you about Eason Jordan, and what he said. I am not disagreeing that it is a good thing this was brought out by bloggers.
Does the left truly get “bashed”, or do they get called on their B.S.- that which they freely choose to say and believe. No one on the right is saying some one is a liar, a Hitler. No one on the right is saying our troops are torturing people and shooting journalists.
Do both sides need to find higher ground and work together? Maybe. But if the shoe fits… You dug your hole, lost the legislative and executive branches, and continue to dig deeper. Thank Boxer and Kennedy. Thank Dean, who started all this vitriol, and you went and made him Party Chair. Keep up the good work!
I agree with DavidB to some extent, as a veteran it is sickening to see media and Americans, trade our national security and integrity for political gain. I don’t see how criticism of the left in any way affects our success overseas, or international stature.
Maybe we’re shooting the wrong journalists. A strong thing to say. Not something I necessarily support, but it gives perspective to the crap coming from the other side.
it is sickening to see media and Americans, trade our national security and integrity for political gain. I don’t see how criticism of the left in any way affects our success overseas, or international stature.
Criticize the right, and you’re a traitor, criticize the left, and it doesn’t matter. Hmm.
Mantis, no he was mentioning criticizing the men in uniform, which are politic-neutral. They only exist to serve (during their time of service, that is). Get a clue and stop thinking in terms of right and left all the time.
It should be noted that Jordan’s remarks were SO OFFENSIVE that they inspired noted right-wing Republican warmongers like Frank and Dodd to not only challenge them right there but later confirm what Jordan said in interviews and releases to “right-wing” sources.
Henry, it wasn’t me who was equating the military with the right, it was LJD. By offering the counterpoint of criticizing the left, he implies that by criticizing the military you criticize the right, and vice versa.
Jeez, how to ruin a potentially interesting thread. These days when I see “r.a.” or “mantis” or “henry”, I already know it’s going to be a boring thread, with well-meaning conservatives falling for their bait. No sense casting pearls before swine. Why anyone even bothers feeding the trolls is beyond me.
If it weren’t for the rubbish in between, I could have enjoyed conversing with Gabriel earlier in the thread. I’ve just finished the first 30 pages of Ann Coulter’s “Treason” – describing the left’s treachery since before WWII, all set out there and well-researched.
Steve the LB – it’s earlier than ’68. See the above book for FDR and Truman’s collusion with Stalin and keeping known Soviet spies Alger Hiss, etc. and their apologists like Dean Acheson, in high govt positions, even promoting them after warnings from FBI Dir. Hoover and the then-Canadian Prime Minister.
This is probably a cold thread now, but Paul – in answer to your main article: I would say yes, 1-4. Those are four current manifestations of the underlying anti-survival tendencies of the insane. Anti-survival on a personal level, against others and any pro-survival group, activity and goal. Their goals are death for self and pulling all others down with them. That’s why they are poison to a healthy society.
Why do they cluster together in the Democrat Party? I suppose its leaders since FDR have attracted them. But for Joe McCarthy and the patriots of the earlier Venona Project, they might have found their home in a thriving Communist Party today. And then the next step would have been one party only.
Related to this subject ….. why has Robert Novak not been ostracized and imprisoned for exposing a CIA operative?
Where is the right on this?
BR…
Why dont you just address me directly? I’ll debate with you anytime, and I’ll do it without resorting to name mud slinging.
I find it very corwardly of you to make your little generalizations based on your beliefs about me, based on your 30 pages of Ann Coulter. She certainly has her points, as similar “lefty” writers do, but she loses validity for me due to her goals…she’s just trying to create more hostility between all of us. I think that what she and Moore do is stupid.
And you’ve bought into it…here you are regurgitating her vitriole toward people that you dont even know, safely hidden behind your computer screen.
I would like to see more of you guys get away from the insults and just talk about issues. People have differing viewpoints…I’m ok with listening to yours without calling you names, etc…so whats your problem?
typos:
“name mud slinging” should just say “mud slinging”
“corwardly” —> “cowardly”
crap.