Russian President Vladimir Putin knows who the terrorists want to see defeated.
“Any unbiased observer understands that attacks of international terrorist organizations in Iraq, especially nowadays, are targeted not only and not so much against the international coalition as against President Bush,” Putin said.
“International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.
“If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition,” Putin said.
“In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world.”Ever the pragmatist, he notes that, “we respect any choice the American people will make.”
– DA …. Didn’t mean to come off so heavy handed…also did not know of your friendship with Kevin…. My apologies on both counts….
Hunter, Kevin is one of my Blog Daddies, and one of the strongest supporters of my little lefty corner of the web. We have always been able to argue without being nasty to each other. Apollogy accepted.
I hope we will always be able to have these dissagreements without being dissagreeable.
– Ok… points have been stated… point by point reply… both sides call a moratorium on ad hominim attacks…
a. Just a week or so ago he was an Oil For Food
– He may be up to his armpits in the OFF scandal. Don’t really care if we join forces in the terrorism thing…..Same for France….Same for Germany
b. When Kerry mentioned his support by foreign leaders, it was widely criticized in conservative circles.
– It was criticized, at least in part by people who have some insight, because on the one hand it was terribly naive in its implications, and on the other it was really just an underhanded way to opine on the veracity of the Iraq war…
– There is one simple reason why these three countries are in such a hurry suddenly to hold a summit on Iran…. a few weeks ago Iran started testing long range rockets that can reach their front porches…. Nothing like that sort of wake up call to change attitudes fast….
Things to consider…
I’m not unaware of the PBA, as three folks I regularly read: Mac, Lauren, and David are among the members.
They (along with hundreds of others) have a comment trackrecords here at Wizbang.
The other PBA members are new here. You just haven’t earned the latitudes afforded to known commenters yet. I’m sorry but it just doesn’t work that way, not here, not anywhere.
I hate to single out taz, but that’s not the way I’d want to introduce myself to another blogger – by telling them what they think.
PBA means Punks Bitchy Assholes is more like it. LOL. At least they found their life’s calling. Better they stay on the internet than create their idiotic mischief in the real world.
Jim, AOL eh… Interesting. Do you have anthing to add to the discussion or did you just pop in from AIM to insult folks, and thanks Kevin.
Lest you think I’m picking on the PBA members, there’s been lots of commenters from the right who’ve gotten notes or warnings too…
I’ve already wasted 45 minutes trying to craft the previous comment properly as a post, then as a comment. I’ve said my peace…
Anderson — I guess delusional is in the eye of the beholder. Your boy’s going down. Even he knows it.
But you haven’t said anything, have you?
The possible resemblance of an argument, I thought I may have detected:
Kerry is naive about the threat of terrorism. Because he favors diplomacy, I suppose, over PNAC. And because there is tremendous nostalgia in this country for the old antagonisms, for the nationalistic paranoias of the Cold War and before.
But surely we’ve learned from our mistakes by now, haven’t we, fellow true conservatives? That stubborn, evangelical mentality is even less appropriate today.
I am just wondering, are there usually more capable folks discussing here or what?
– Amy – If straightfoward comments are too “nuanced” for your inexperienced ears to “detect” perhaps sitting quietly with your hands in your lap and listening carefully to your more experienced elders might better serve you….
– The left hates the idea of America as a world power almost as much as they hate war, even if its fought for our survival. Am I to assume from the use of the code words “evangelical mentality” that you share the same aversions?…
– If I have to explain to you why Kerry’s comments sounded Naive given the internal political realities of France including its demographic/ideological makeup then its probably a waste of time…..
Dear PBA members:
Please take a minute to watch you VP candidate play with his hair. This almost made me wet my pants.
“No one trusts Putin except you jerks on the left. You wish he came out for Kerry.”
Stupidest statement I’ve read all day.
Who ever said that we are jumping up and down? We have our own agenda, and it just so happens a prominent world leader (his past makes no difference, he is the current leader of Russia, His past with the KGB doesn’t matter anymore. Note that Gorbechov was the General Secretary no less when he ended the cold war).
Ah, so I read abundant repeats and emphasis here that the “Progressives” from the left really, actually really, really do hold Christians in distaste. Fear, perhaps. Illogic, certainly.
But, the election is about religion far more than any Progressive will ever admit. If there’s a religious war, then that is it, but it’s being waged by “Progessives” and some among Islam, but by covert effort (just read the PBA site and these comments here).
Never cesases to amaze me just how distorted “Christianity” and “Bush faith based supporters” are misrepresented by people who (1.) have no experience as Christians and (2.) actually fear and loathe Christianity, always show up with the most egregiously aggressive denigration of and about Christians.
So, again I write, it is this “Progressive” retrogression by some Americans that is, in fact, the most “fundamental” in nature: fear based misinformation, shared in some unity of behavior (you are all accredited and affiliating with this one group, the “PBA”), a need and insistence on some sort of group psychology that promotes an effort to “conquer” (and to silence, thereby) the freedom of beliefs and individual uniquenss of others.
People of Christian faith vote for President George Bush because they perceive a trustworthy, sincere person who shares their values and beliefs and behaviors. I can’t speak for persons of other faiths, but I am sure that President Bush’s appeal is close to that for other faiths with similar concerns about character in a President (and which influences their vote).
What does NOT surprise me by the influx here of PBA-ers is that none of you complain about John Kerry who touts himself as “a Catholic.” And why is that? Because Kerry is no Catholic but wears a label, disregards a Christian conscience in how he votes and behaves, so there’s no threat there to anyone who really hates Christ and Christianity.
“Separation of Church and State” does not trump personal character. You know a person by his fruits. Kerry votes to endorse, fund and provide for bitter fruit, you get bitter fruit, and you can tell a lot about the man behind the statements and appearances afterward. A man is known by his fruits. The government is formed by men (and women, granted), based upon the character of those doing the forming. No one’s telling anyone to “go Christian” or anything related but you’d never know that by reading Progessive distortions.
A reminder: Kerry’s description of him as intending nominating judges who will and would endorse his ideology, reveals his intention to legislate his ideology — and because the ideology he says he intends to legislate are oppositional, actually defy, what Christianity teaches and requires, Kerry reveals again his character: not Christian, certainly not Catholic.
So, in order: you evaluate character and then you vote accordingly. You can rely on a man/woman of character to evaluate information and “legislate” with character, with a reliable process, or, not. Most people chose Bush because he’s reliable, his character is proven. Most people don’t trust Kerry because he’s not reliable and his lack of character has been proven.
The rest of the issues — Putin, Christianity, the so-called “Bush jihadists” — that’s just the language of avoidance.
Oh, and China is being relied upon to provide some assistance with North Korea, by the United States.
I’d say, rather than be upset about Putin as a leader in Russia, you could appreciate these other nations that dialogue with the U.S. administration in hopes of overcoming terrorism and nuclear threats.
I guess it’s just John Kerry’s “alliances” that work for Progressives. I don’t know about anyone else, but the Progressives sure do read to me like a squad.
What, was that supposed to be some kind of air-clearing climax? I’ve been holding my hands in my lap elsewhere because this place is so boring.
“(you are all accredited and affiliating with this one group, the “PBA”), a need and insistence on some sort of group psychology that promotes an effort to “conquer” (and to silence, thereby) the freedom of beliefs and individual uniquenss of others.”
nope. but that sounds a lot like some folks, to be sure.
“People of Christian faith vote for President George Bush because they perceive a trustworthy, sincere person who shares their values and beliefs and behaviors.”
good grief. you sound like you are trying to convince yourself. oh wait, that’s the only way you ever sound. yawn.
you are in the radical minority of complete idiots on this planet and someone should tell you this more often. but not me, i’m bored and leaving. read up on PNAC, listen to the BBC a bit, and try to post something original, i dare you.
“What does NOT surprise me by the influx here of PBA-ers is that none of you complain about John Kerry who touts himself as “a Catholic.” And why is that? Because Kerry is no Catholic but wears a label, disregards a Christian conscience in how he votes and behaves”
That’s right. When he’s wearing his politician hat, he is not allowed to let his personal feelings enter into his decision making process. But Bush’s actions (namely on Stem Cell restrictions, abortion, and gay marrige) show that he has no such self-control.
How was this poll of the terrorists carried out. Did a reporter walk around and talk to suicide bombers before their missions? This is just one more tired Republican meme–Even though Shrub has failed economical and diplomatically, we need his tough daddy snarl to scare away all the boogey-men. Of course, he may end up attacking the wrong country from time to time . . .
I’m tired of the discussion of whether terrorists want Bush to win or lose. The truth is that we don’t know and won’t know. It’s possible that terrorists could claim a Bush loss as a victory. But it’s equally possible that they’d see it as their loss, the loss of their best straw man who makes it easier for them to argue that this is a religious war, Christian against Islam.
The question of who the terrorists want to win strikes me as a distraction from the real issues before us, ones that we have concrete information about. Can’t we discuss those?