If you cant bear to watch the disturbing video of the savage murder of Nick Berg, Charles Johnson has a written version of his viewing of the video. From his post:
When the Daniel Pearl video was making the rounds on the web, I refused to post a link because it was so soul-wrenching that I thought people didn’t need to see it. I thought September 11 was a big enough shock to the American public that we wouldn’t dare go back to sleep.
Unfortunately, I no longer believe that, and that’s why I’m posting a link to this goddamned obscenity. Watch it, if you think you can. It’s going to make you sick, and it’s going to make you mad.
And remember this: what you see in this video is what the mujahideen would like to do to each and every one of us.Oliver Willis notes:
I think you should see it. Since the day the towers were hit, I’ve argued that we should see all of it. We should have seen the horror that Al Qaeda did to us. We should have seen what the Taliban did to the people of Afghanistan. We should see what our bombing did in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. We should see the corpses of those that died during Hussein’s regime, as well as the pictures of happy Iraqis as his regime fell. Genocide in Africa, ethnic cleansing in Europe, gang crime in America.
We should end the whitewash of images and let the people decide.And that was my whole purpose in posting the link to the video and then, via Paul’s generosity, the full video. The media is happy to show you some of these images, and not others.
Why let them make this choice for you?
Update: Comments closed.
ANYONE WHO CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT BASICALLY WE’RE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE’RE DAMNED IF WE DO OR DON’T AND HAS THE NERVE TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE SAME CATEGORY, OBVIOUSLY DON’T KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT. JUST LIKE IT’S BEEN SAID, VIETNAM WASN’T OUR WAR, BUT WE GOT INVOLVED, IT’S THE SAME THING AND IT’S BEEN SAID “THIS IS ANOTHER VIETNAM” ALL IT COMES DOWN TO IS BUSH IS WAR HAPPY AND ANY ONE WHO SUPPORTS HIM, EVEN A LITTLE, IS JUST AS SICK, EVIL, DEMENTED, AND WAR HAPPY AS HE IS.
It might as well have been Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld holding the knife. They are the sick idiots who asked for it. I don’t blame the people of Iraq, I blame our government! They are slaughtering innocent people for personal gain and using their governmental status for personal reasons. Let’s impeach these 3 anti-american traders! I voted for this darn Dictator Bush. What a mistake I made. How many innocent american (and Iragi) lives am I responsible for? After all I punched the chad for Bush. Not anymore! Bush made me a Democrat! Stop the Bush Regime before he kills us all! Before we loose more freedoms! Before we are stopped from typing these very words that made us a free nation, with liberty and justice for all! After all, we can no longer travel outside this country safely. How soon will it be before we are even unsafe here at home?
Vietnam analogies are true… The correlations are there. As far as the Arabs/Islamic groups blaming Americans and you Americans blaming the Arab/Islamic groups, can’t you see the tautology in this? Its like both groups want to kill in the name of their God. Haven’t we transcended religious boundaries that constrict our perspectives and hinder our lives? Personally all people involved even I for this matter, are too immature to understand the gravity of the situation. If America is looking for a war, look no further than our own streets. Mankind as a whole is to blame for Nick Berg’s death. And I commend Mr. Berg for the last minutes of courage he showed. Like a true Human he knew what was to come but nothing could be done. I am not sure if he knew of the execution, but either way he stood death in his eyes like these pussies who post about God and Allah BS. Your Gods will be the best of you religious fanatics. Love=God=Life learn it, live it, breath it, the truth be told
If the middle east had no oil, we would not have this problem with these idiots…period!!! We need to generate our own energy…problem solved….hello???
The Art Of Peace in which I practice has room for each of the world’s eight million gods and I cooperate with them all. The God of Peace is very great and enjoins all that is divine and enlightened in every land.
Information is the newest religion.
When will you all fucking realize this transcends Bi-Partisan politics, Democrats and Republicans, as well as religion, skin color, and blah blah… It has to do with the quintessence of man: His beastly brutality
My condolences to the Berg Family, and to the Military familys that have lost family members.
First a synopsis, simple, inadequate, and from a
catholic viewpoint:
the el koran states that the angel Gabriel visited
Mary, and after the annunciation, stated
“with me it will be holy” therby rejecting the
virgin birth.
The el koran rejects the trinity, there is no god except allah.
The el koran rejects Jesus Christ as God, and declares him a prophet
who’s message is incomplete incorrect,
and the precursor announcing mohammed
and the establishment of the kingdom of god on earth.
The el koran rejects the kingdom of God to come,
ISLAM BEFORE PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS NOT
THE KINGDOM OF GOD UPON EARTH, BUT ONLY
GOD’S TRUE RELIGION
(jews and christians were immature muslims-cept the good ones)
mohammad is the profit who announced and establish-ed the kingdom of god on earth, AND
empowered the faithful to enforce that kingdom
and to expand it to all the earth, then the last judgement may occur.
The el koran declares that those not of their faith are infidel, and you are to offer conversion or death.
It is not a religion, it is a government.
Their faithful will not rest until the kingdom is
established worldwide. There is no tolerance of
a different viewpoint, to tolerate it in their world
would be sinful. Judaism is lost, immature and
rejected by the jews, it’s message from god was
only a start of god’s complete message. The
repeated falling away outlined in the bible only
reinforces the spiritual immaturity of it’s people
according to islam.
QUOTE:
Their very easy and reiterated relapse into idolatry
is a proof that the Israelites had almost the same
notion about their El or Yahwah, as the Assyrians
had of their own Ashur, the Babylonians of
Mardukh, and the Phoenicians of their Ba’al. With
the exception of the Prophets and the Sophis, the
Muslims of Torah, the Israel of the Mosaic Law,
never rose equal to the height of the sanctity of
their religion nor of the true conception of their
Deity. The faith in Allah and a firm conviction and
belief in a future life was not ingrained and
implanted in the spirit and in the heart of that
people.
Jesus, was only a prophet, he got it wrong, there would be no second coming,
QUOTE:
The religion of God, until Jesus Christ, was
consigned chiefly to the people of Israel; it was
more material and of a national character. Its
lawyers, priests, and scribes had dis- figured that
religion with a gross and superstitious literature of
the traditions of their forefathers. Christ
condemned those traditions, denounced the Jews
and their leaders as “hypocrites” and “the children
of the Devil.” Although the demon of idolatry had
left Israel, yet later on seven demons had taken
possession of that people (Matt. xii. 43-45; Luke xi. 24-26).
Christ reformed the old religion; gave a new life
and spirit to it; he explained more explicitly the
immortality of the human soul, the resurrection and
the life in the next world; and publicly announced
that the next Messiah whom the Jews were
expecting was not a Jew or a son of David, but a
son of Ishmael whose name was Ahmad, and that
he would establish the Kingdom of God upon earth
with the power of the Word of God and with
sword. Consequently, the religion of Islam
received a new life, light and spirit, and its
adherents were exhorted to be humble, to show
forbearance and patience. They were beforehand
informed of persecutions, tribulations, martyrdoms,
and prisons. The early “Nassara,” as the Qur’an
calls the believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
suffered ten fearful persecutions under the Roman
Emperors. Then comes the Emperor Constantine
and proclaims liberty for the Church; but after the
decisions and the Trinitarian Creed of the Nicene
Council in 325 A.C., the Unitarian Muslims (l) were
submitted to a series of new and even more cruel
persecutions by the Trinitarians, until the advent of
Prophet Muhammad.
Footnote 1. Jesus Christ has never authorized his
followers to call themselves “Christians”. There is
no better title for the early Unitarians
than “Muslims.” AD. ———– end of footnote
The expressions in this prophetical passage that
the Kingdom of God shall consist of “the People of
the Saints of the Most High,” and that all other
dominions or powers shall serve and obey that
people, clearly indicate that in Islam the Religion
and State are one and the same body, and
consequently inseparable. Islam is not only the
Religion of God, but also His earthly empire or
kingdom.
READ IT YOURSELF:
saved from url=http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/the-Jewish-Bible/kingdom-onearth.htm
copyrighted by the Multi-National Muslim Committee
whoever they are.
So by the el koran and further interpretations by
immams and other supposed scholars, we are all
(jews & christians) islam, perhaps immature,
perhaps heretical, and that islam is the completeion
of the true faith of god that he has been telling us
about throughout the succession of prophets and
concluded with the teachings of mohammed. –
Right…
fundamentalism(s) aside , what other religious text
allows it’s followers to meet out death ?
if I am not mistaken Judaism and christianity
leave it to GOD to judge, in the here-after, not
the here and now.
Even when we establish a democratic govenrment
in Iraq or elsewhere for that matter, they will
inevitably elect a islamic government at some
point. it’s happening in Egypt and other eastern-
islamic nations, some hope for an islamic europe,
by emigration and birth, the people themselves are
changing the demographics. The call of the faithful
5 times a day has been politically presented in
Michigan.
So when they say that Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria,
etc have not come out and condemned the death of
Mr.Berg, we should not be upset, we should
understand why. maybe Mr.Berg was a
sympathizer from our point of view, maybe he was
just a businessman as he stated, it doesn’t matter,
what matters is that he was killed for what he
repsented to THEM. An American, Perhaps a
christian, at the least a token of revenge.
Do they represent all Muslims ?
I think they do, overtly and covertly.
Doing nothing is the same as condoning something
when it counts right ?
They did not even offer him the grace to convert,
he was judged and condemned when they targeted
him for capture. As will we all be.
War in Iraq wrong ? No WMD found? Hey we
moved the front in the WAR OF WARS from NYC to
the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th most holiest sites in Islam.
The “insurgents” are just that, all the foam at the
mouth fundamentalists go THERE to meet us.
Where they will be taught the incorectness of their
misguided beliefs.
if they ever can capture me I will chant the
following so there is NO mistake:
Ash hadu an la ilaha ill Jesus !
(I testify that there is no God except Jesus !)
I will chant it with the hope of a true martyrdom,
with the reward of the Kingdom to COME !
However until that point I will resist, and support
our efforts to meet them where they live.
We are not calling for extermination, we are
saying no more, and you have crossed the line !
We are a wall of resolve, and the harder you throw
yourself at that wall, the more you will hurt.
i watched the video yesterday just out of curiousity. i’ve never seen anything more horrifying in my life. i almost threw up, then i sobbed. i had this disgusting feeling in the pit of my stomach that i just couldn’t shake. up until i saw the video i had disagreed with how my husband felt about the whole prison abuse scandal. he’s in the army and feels that what happened in the prison may be wrong, but the media is so obsessed with this story that they have forgotten about all of our fallen soldiers. what’s a little humiliation compared to all the American’s lost due to suicide bombings and beheadings? this whole thing just makes me sick, and it’s really quite frightening the more you think about it. i lost my faith in religion years ago, and the fact that these people believe in a “god” that would condone the slaughter of a human being as if he were an animal is hilarious. maybe a poor choice in words, but you just have to laugh at anyone who is simple-minded enough to believe that bullshit “god”. a previous post said it all when it talked about the fact that these sick bastards covered their faces. chicken shit little bitches!!! the news posted the name of the man….no, he doesn’t deserve to be called a man, that sick pig that performed the beheading. apparently the US government is offering a 10 million $ reward for his capture. this pig was actually sentenced to death at one point in jordan! why isn’t he six feet under? how does he think that one iraqi with underwear on his head is comparable to an American with no head at all. fuck these ignorant bastards and fuck their sick “god”. like i said, i’m not religious and i may not believe in heaven and hell….but i sure hope there’s an appropriate place for people like abu musab al-zarqawi. i hope you rot you sick little coward.
REPLY TO LUKE’S POST-“Does anyone here get the feeling here that we are damned if we do and damned if we dont? If we go to war, people say its not our business, if we dont go to war all these people say “help us you rich nations”.”
I COULDN’T HAVE PUT THIS ANY BETTER
To those who are embattled with this situation in Iraq. First of all, to those soldiers who are in Iraq. All are not heroes! Some are there for selfish, sick and wanton reasons, some are there for the liking of being told what to do (the yes people), and others are there for making a change in their lives. Oh ya, some are thinking “what the hell did they get themselves into” and I believe there are “some” soldiers who are true heroes there in Iraq sincerely doing there best for mankind.
Next I’d like to mention our present government-the Bush administration. I am sure many of you Americans like myself have heard that the Bush family are or were once friends to the Bin Laden family. Bush senior and Bin Laden’s father are or were boardmembers of a company that create weapons of mass destruction for military war machines all over the world-including the US.
Next Saddam did try to kill/assasinate Bush senior then Bush junior got elected president in an unprecedented controversial manner and the US Supreme court did not want to hear (by vote-remember majority wins)the case and left it up to the states (Florida) to solve the problem. Jeb Bush, then Governor of Florida, said he will do what he can to get his brother elected-end result in a controversial manner. You all can deduce from that.
Now that Bush junior is elected Suadi citizens conspire to crash into the WTC, The Pentagon, White House. Any Iraqi’s???
Bush paints a picture with the help of UNCLE TOM COLON POWEL and his sister Condleeza Rice (a match made in hell)that Saddam has weapons that he can deploy and threaten my and your well being. In other words Saddam has, according to Bush, the capbility to murder a lot of us Americans with relative ease. It most certainly scared the bejesus out of me and I am sure that it did you and your families. Republican or Democrats, we were all concerned and woried to say the least.
Now the invasion in Iraq which I thought was justified. Go soldiers and do your job. A job that was to search for weapons that threatened Americans and the rest of the world. Like in the O.J. Simpson case, Where is it Mr. Fung??? In this case where is it Mr. Bush? There were satelite photos of vast weapons of mass destruction depots. We have the best technology in the world that satelites can magnify to read car licence plates and we have the technology to dupe people as well. With media and government propoganda and lip service, we Americans-true Americans- can be led to believe anything they the government want us to believe.
I read a persons posting of his comment which to me waas a bit prejudicial and borderline racist, but it caused one to think. His comments were that 2% of the people in America are Jewish and the vast majority in the news/editorial/entertainment industries who own or control these powerful industries are Jewish. Remember Saddam in Gulf War #1 dessert storm bombed Israel with scuds and Israel did not counter attack or retaliate. The US swept into Iraq with ease and contained Iraq. Now it’s a different story. Our present government are great allies with Israel who wantonly kill Palestinians and visa versa.
If there were no connection with the Bush family and the Bin Laden family, Bush and the elder Bin laden family who were boardmembers of the Carlisle group, Jeb Bush’s state of Florida being a pivotal state for his election, Saddan trying to assasinate the elder Bush, WTC destruction, the picture painted of weapons of mass destruction by the Bush administration (where are they?), the Saudis who are good friends with not only the Bush family but also COLON Powel, and remember the Saudis were involved in the 9/11 destruction, etc… then I would most certainly be a Bush supporter. Yet, I read I take in information from all sides then deduce. Deduce America and vote accordingly.
TO AMINAH COOPER-
SUCK A DICK!
all i know is, i can’t bring myself to watch this video. i don’t want to see it.
nick berg had nothing to do with oil, with war, with foreign policy, with bush and his choices, right or wrong. these morons are making an example out of a civilian. a dude. a normal guy, who was just trying to help. not a trained soldier, a fighter, a warrior. they picked an innocent guy with no “in the face of fear stamina” training, nothing. it’s disgusting. like, they cackle and praise themselves over murdering a little innocent guy. it’s like killing a child. poor nick. i don’t care about any of the political debate, ya know? this was a PERSON. and i hope wherever he is, he’s okay right now. and i hope his family is ok right now.
this crap has to stop.
King Ali:
How much of an ass are you? This guy was UNARMED and a non-combatant. He did not institute any policies in Iraq. He was an innocent there to try to do a job. Your people targeted him because of his skin. So, the policies of my country excuse you to do depraved cowardly acts for which any civilized society would lock you up to protect others. OK, following your logic in reverse, because your people MURDERED Berg, we have the right to encircle your cities with tanks keeping everyone in and community by community commit a genocide. No wonder the Mid East is such a lovely place to live. I forget you guys are raised used to seeing public beheadings. Its really no big deal if you live in the Mid East. Its just as per usual. Nothing excuses those men for what they did. And God/Allah/Yahweh will hold them to account for it rest assured. Don’t kid yourself. Also, if your radicals keep going with this, we’ll eventually NUKE YOUR FUCKING JIHAD WAGING SERIAL KILLING ANIMALISTIC ASSES SAYING ALLAHU AKBAR, MOTHERFUCKER!
To those who feel the need to digress and spout off in half truths (“There was no link to Al Qaeda in Iraq”) ought to remember that there is a distinct difference in severity between the mistreating of prisoners at the hands of the military police in Iraq and the sawing off of an innocent civilian’s head. The argument is an erosion of logic.
While I pray for WMD to be found in Iraq, I realize that state sponsored terrorism (Abu Nidal was given sanctuary and travel in and out of Iraq by Saddam Hussein for planning other attacks) existed in Iraq. It doesn’t have to be from Al Qaeda. Bush clearly said that any regime that sponsors terrorism is our target. Who cares if there is or isn’t a link to Al Qaeda. A wide consortium of other terrorist organizations have attacked the US over the course of many years. Al Qaeda is but one. Ansar al Islam will do just fine. Does anyone now doubt that Zarqawi’s Ansar al Islam has a connection to Al Qaeda?
Leave the half truths to the politicians, Democrat and Republican alike.
No matter your polical leanings are, this forum is not about political justifications, leanings, hegemony, soldiers, governments, radicals, or any of these disparate topics. It is a about the murder of one man. It is not a political statement just a venting of pure unadulterated hatred. I don’t give it such lofty credit as to say it was done with a purpose or for a cause or for Allah. It was done with blind malice by a bunch of savages.
Mark my words, there will be repercussions for it. Zarqawi is not an Iraqi, he’s an outsider trying to foment rebellion. He does not care for the innocent Iraqis that will inevitably suffer for this one act.
this is so sad
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http://www.isratv.com/video/filmpmwadsl.asx
WMD hide-and-seek
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp
having just watched the video, I am beginning to wonder where all this is leading. Yes, it is an atrocity that nobody should have to endure or witness, but I would be interested to find out just how many people have downloaded the video worldwide now. I’m sorry to say my own reasons were purely for morbid curiosity. This is taking internet abuse to the extreme and it has worked. By making this video available to the masses, this one man’s death has illicited more of a response than all the other coalition casualties put together.
I also wonder if it had just been a bullit in the head, would it have got such a huge response? We as a race have become so desensitised to violence that terrorists are having to be more barbaric just to illicit a response. We all watch the news everyday but it’s never quite horrific enough to put us off going shopping, to the cinema, eating dinner etc. This video on the other hand is enough to scar some people for life. It may be THE most horrific thing you will ever see. What it is designed to do. If we catch these guys and “make them suffer” as many would like to see. Maybe we should video it and put it on the net. I’m sure it would be a huge hit. Someone could make a lot of money from this and probably will. In time, Nick Bergs death will be an oddity. People will sit and dare each other to watch it. Just another snuff video and I don’t think it will be the last.
I fucking hate war. It turns us all into the animals we are. We hate them, they hate us. Let’s kill each other and make the video available on the net. The world is fucking mental.
I watched the video and didn’t necessarily feel horror at the killing itself. What I found more horrific was what these people deemed neccessary to get our attention. And I’m sure many innocent muslims will now die just as horrific deaths as Mr Berg. Only it won’t be presented as a quicktime movie.
I suppose it’s in our nature. There will always be an enemy and there will always be a war to fight. We will continue to destroy each other untill we are all obliterated off the face of the earth. then maybe common sense and normality will return.
And to think, this is all being carried out by grown adults. Hmmmm.
To Zarqawi supporters:
Based on this film, we can see why Arabs are so very proud of their ‘culture’. I will grant that we should not be in the Mid East and why anyone would want to is very beyond me. I can now see why it took a leader like Sadaam to pacify Iraq. He is just another one of the boys there. Given as an American, I feel privileged that I don’t have to worry about people that strap on bombs or behead each other. We are generally more concerned with my landscaping, cooking or shopping or other things that interest normal civilized human beings. Even with all our booze and pornography, you could not sell that flea/squalor ridden desert existence to me. Your people have just validated that our way of life is in fact vastly superior to yours. If you came here, we’d have laws to protect you and your sons from beheading, but by all means, don’t take that as an invitation to emmigrate. Stay there. Fuck you all you fucking desert savages.
To Zarqawi supporters:
Based on this film, we can see why Arabs are so very proud of their ‘culture’. I will grant that we should not be in the Mid East and why anyone would want to is very beyond me. I can now see why it took a leader like Sadaam to pacify Iraq. He is just another one of the boys there. Given as an American, I feel privileged that I don’t have to worry about people that strap on bombs or behead each other. We are generally more concerned with my landscaping, cooking or shopping or other things that interest normal civilized human beings. Even with all our booze and pornography, you could not sell that flea/squalor ridden desert existence to me. Your people have just validated that our way of life is in fact vastly superior to yours. If you came here, we’d have laws to protect you and your sons from beheading, but by all means, don’t take that as an invitation to emmigrate. Stay there. Fuck you all you fucking desert savages.
I think its disgusting how the American public has embraced this video. This must be the most watched video now. That is pathetic and speaks to the purely sadistic manner in which society operates today. We must all live for the “thrill of the kill” after all…pathetic.
“both sides want to kill in the name of their God”
and yet it is the same God you both worship with the same saints and the same biblical characters, the only differance being the prohet Jesus for the Christians (who is also a muslim prophet)and Mohammed for the Muslims…so for allof you who denounce each others faith you are in fact denouncing your own “God fearing God blessing religion”..thats just how stupid you are and how stupid this whole thing is.. BTW how many of you are sickened by the videos of the Apache gunships attacking Iraqi homes or the 750 + women and children shot to peices at checkpoints including one whole family of 15 women who were waived through at the first point and gunned to peices at the second 50 yards away and i bet you all delighted at the pictures of Kabul and Baghdad being flattened…when you treat people like animals they will start acting like animals
“both sides want to kill in the name of their God”
and yet it is the same God you both worship with the same saints and the same biblical characters, the only differance being the prophet Jesus for the Christians (who is also a muslim prophet)and Mohammed for the Muslims…so for allof you who denounce each others faith you are in fact denouncing your own “God fearing God blessing religion”..thats just how stupid you are and how stupid this whole thing is.. BTW how many of you are sickened by the videos of the Apache gunships attacking Iraqi homes or the 750 + women and children shot to peices at checkpoints including one whole family of 15 women who were waived through at the first point and gunned to peices at the second 50 yards away and i bet you all delighted at the pictures of Kabul and Baghdad being flattened…when you treat people like animals they will start acting like animals
To aminah cooper, We did not invade Iraq for oil, we did it to topple a dictator who had and used WMD on his on populace. He murdered the Shiites left and right including Muqtada Al Sadr’s father. Saddam was a sponsor of terrorism. We kicked him out. A handful of American MP’s humiliated some Iraqi prisoner’s, they did not cut off their heads. What was done to Nick Berg was terroristic murder, nothing else. As far as the post accusing people of being big and bad online but having no guts to go over their and talk that shit, you are wrong. I am an American soldier and in less than 18months I will be in Iraq or Afghanistan, and yes I will say my peace, and yes given the opportunity I will send some to meet allah…in HELL where he has been for 1400+years. There is one GOD and his name is not allah, and mohammed was visted by belzebub, not Gabriel Come visit me down here in Alabama and “talk that shit”