Oh, but muslims have been a part of America since the beginning and have contributed so sooooo much to our success...

Islam is not a religion, but a hateful political ideology that is 100% incompatible with American values.

The politically correct libtards will continue to appease this evil with their heads in the sand while victory mosques are built upon the ashes of their victims.

It's tough when people do what they have a right to do, even when you don't like it.

It's still a free country, however much you'd like to change it.

America promises the right to practice religion, and does not promise the right to plant a building, in which to do so, anywhere one wishes.
If Islam promotes peace, it should be relocated. If not, it is obviously a political statement of victory.

*Note: For Barack Obama to abandon America, he would have first had to stand with her.
I do not believe he ever has.

It's tough when people do what they have a right to do, even when you don't like it.

It's still a free country, however much you'd like to change it.

Wow, you seem to miss the point as well as the late Unlamented Lee Ward.

No one here is saying they don't have the *right*. We all have the right to do any number of profoundly stupid and insulting things. That doesn't mean they are good ideas. Heck, you have the right to spew your suicidal nonsense on any streetcorner, stupid and insulting at is is. A whole lot of people died for that right. Sad that you use it so foolishly, but it's undeniably your right.

This is clearly intended to rub our noses in the fact that these psychopathic butchers and their homicidal philosophy killed a bunch of our citizens, and they are taking advantage of our superior system (and useful idiots such as yourself) to "justify" it.

And also note that the same precious rights permit *us* to make arguments and try to put a stop to it. Apparently you are either too dim to grasp that, or more probably you want to apply those "rights" selectively based on your idiotic notions of what freedom and liberty actually stand for. You and your ilk are so stupid you will CONTINUE to spew it even as you lose those rights due to inaction. Or worse, as you defend and support people who would happily take those rights away from you.

Indeed it is a free country. And according to the leftists there is no responsibility that goes with how you use your rights as long as you hate America.

I wonder if it crosses the mind of idiots like Galoob that if the islamists had their way we would have no freedoms at all.

I'm with Mike Bloomberg. You're with Sarah Palin.

"Enduring generosity" my ass.

America responded to 9/11 killing hundreds of thousands of foreigners who had nothing to do with it. This whole strategy of dehumanizing Muslims and demonizing Islam is about making Americans feel less guilt for bombing Islamic countries and killing Muslims in large numbers.

Maybe Ms. Burlingame should talk to some Iraqis or Yemenis whose relatives were blown apart by our Freedom Bombs. She's not the only victim here.

AJB, can you provide us all with your overview of how to conduct a war? Generically, no need to name combatants.

galoob- you are really dense aren't you. I willingly stand with Sarah Palin. I support Sarah, I appreciate Sarah, I am a huge fan.
You, on the other hand, are a dhimmi.

Given that Obama has a visceral hatred of all things Americana it's not surprising in the least that he's abandoned the 9/11 victims. As for the general proposition of Obama abandoning America, you can't "abandon" that which you've never known. The man for certain is a Muslim neo-Marxist. He might very well be a Kenyan. He's thoroughly disconnected from American values and ideals. It's as if he lives in some sort of parallel universe.

7. Posted by AJB | August 15, 2010 8:16 PM |

Funny how Muslim have no problem dehumanizing other Muslims including Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhist, Pantheist, women, gays.....

6. Posted by galoob | August 15, 2010 7:56 PM |

You can have Bloomberg.

So Obama has no problem with muslim indoctrinators dancing and kneeling on 911 victims graves. Figures cause he is one. On top of being the worst president evah.

"It's tough when people do what they have a right to do, even when you don't like it."

Yeah Galoob and it was right for Bush to do what he had to do and take out Saddams state sponsored rape rooms, body threshing machines and terrorist funding apparatus.

I dont like that they asked for no, begged for it but Soddom did and there are more out there still begging for a droning.

Galoob-

"I'm with Mike Bloomberg. You're with Sarah Palin."

You could have just said: I'm with stupid!

Certainly this is not the same Galoob that sold Game Genies, more like Lame Weenies. You're certainly not winning any arguments despite your use of cheat code words.

This mosque will become a pilgrimage site. Do you think that is appropriate, galoob? That is, to allow the criminals who conspired and murdered thousands in the name of their religion to come and worship on the graves of their victims?

Eight years later the wing-nuts continue their muslim bashing, and anything that touches on Islam. What American foreign policy would they like to see in a world where fifty countries have muslim majorities... less co-exisistence and more confrontation, presumably?

At home, conservatives Americans want Arabic money, but not their rellgion in development projects. I`m sure right-wingers who are always talking about giving locals more power in decision -making (that is until they make decisions they don't favor,-the Manhattan decision had wide unanamious or near-unanamious Community Board support) would rather have the Arabic developers build a bigger strip club which exists across the road, in this so-called hallowed ground, of this district, than a WMCA style community muslim center equipped with a small mosque.

you are playing right into the hands of Bin Laden, he says the west is at war with Islam. This was 19 men who highjacked planes on 911. We are at war with Al-qaeda not Islam. We can't fight 1.5 billion people, Bin Laden wants to bankrupt the US by putting us into a permanent state of war, bankrupting the country, how many more muslim countries can we fight? America is better than this. you can't even see ground zero from the old Burlington Coat factory on Park Place the site of this mosque

Just shaking my head in amazement. I simply don't understand how you guys can think like this.

American Muslims are not your enemy. They are AMERICANS.

They have received approval from all relevant local agencies to build this cultural center. This center is within several blocks of the World Trade Center. Figuring a radius of 5 blocks, that's about

- 25 block-long street fronts
- each of those blocks has a minimum of 10 budilings
- the average height of those buildings in that area is probably at least 10 stories;
- each of those buildings probably has at least 5 business per floor. But you know what? Let's make it a truly conservative estimate, of only one business per building.

25 x 10 x 10 x 5 comes to a minimum of 2500 businesses within 5 blocks of the WTC site.

And you guys are freaking out about one Islamic cultural center.

How many of you have ever even been to New York before 9/11?

Lousy unchecked math in post above, grrr. Preview is my friend.

25 blocks x 10 buildings per block, at one business per building = 250 businesses, which is a truly conservative estimate.

A slightly more accurate estimate would be 25 blocks x 10 buildings per block x 10 stories, at one business per floor. So 25 x 10 x 10 = 2500.

Except to trolls, I don't know if any of the following is helpful (probably not-even moderate and thinking conservatives like Jay Tea, epador, and JLawson are firmly with the wingnuts, siding with the Newt Gingrich who believes that nearly nine years after 9/11, Islam in any form, seems almost indistinguishable with terrorism. This informed blog post by by Chris Martinez, mighthelp to dispel some of the repeated arguments and biases by wizbang on the subject..Some excerpts:

Cordoba House's imam, Feisal Abdul al-Rauf, is himself a Sufi and was first chosen by the Bush State Department to be a prominent member of a U.S. delegation to the Middle East....

There is no way the Muslim Brotherhood, or al Qaeda, or the Taliban, or any other organization dedicated to enforcing dogmatic Sunni Islam would have anything to do with a Sufi. In fact, Sufis in the Middle East have suffered terribly from attacks by Sunni terrorists.

And then there is dogmatic Shia Islam. The Shia regime in Iran has been systematically oppressing Sufism in recent years.

That opponents of the Cordoba House regard it as an outrageous act of provocation tells us a great deal about their actual attitudes. Scratch just below the surface of much of this opposition - the patina of their ostensibly noble defense of 9/11 families' sensibilities - and one will find an ugly layer of outright xenophobia and religious bigotry. We know this not in spite of, but largely due to, opponents' insistence that the issue is not a question of "rights" but "what is right." In the assumptions required to see the Cordoba House as provocative and insensitive, we have all the evidence we need to see that a cultural war and reopening of wounds is not what opponents seek to avoid, but something they hope - ironically - to provoke

I really dont know what all this 25x this and that is about Jim x?

Were not freaking out. Speaking for myself I simply think it stinks to high hell.

"American Muslims are not your enemy. They are AMERICANS."

I dont care about the Americans, just the Ghadan types and foreign scum that were all dancing on 911.

They can build it somewhere else. The real backbone of America is not bending despite the frailty shown by this administration of dhimmi fools.

Wizbang is basically a crypto-fascist website. The posters and most commenters would love to have a dictatorship (Heil Palin!) to round up all Muslims and put them in concentration camps.

Why do they hate freedom?

You're free to leave anytime you wish everlasting galoob stopper.

Let the door hit ya where allah split ya

9/14, what kind of gratitude is that for me teaching you not to use apostrophes in every word ending in s, but only on those indicating the possessive form and contractions?

I for one am delighted to see the left's new conversion to the cause of property rights, and hope they will extend the same tolerance when their subdivision neighbor flies an American flag.

It is interesting that the left's defense of this insult is nearly entirely based upon the musselmen's "right" to build it.

They would do well to recall the old wisdom that it is one thing to have the right to do something, but to be right in doing it is quite another matter.

The left is rather selective in whose tender sensibilities they will defend.

"The left is rather selective in whose tender sensibilities they will defend."

The most accurate statement on this thread.

"Wizbang is basically a crypto-fascist website....
22. Posted by galoob | August 16, 2010 12:05 AM"

That's the way to win hearts and minds and ,genius. Ya sure convinced me.

galoob- you have what is called a classic case of projection. There is therapy for your hatred of conservatives.

This website is a conservative site. The majority here are dedicated to the preservation of the Constitution, freedom and protection from those who apparently would destroy the American way of life. While you lefturds distort and abuse the Constitution and attempt to use it to destroy itself. Conservative people use common sense and rationale, something obviously sadly lacking in the lefturd manifesto.

Britain has already made concessions to sharia law - perhaps you saw the results of it when the British troops marched upon return from Afghanistan? Did you notice the signs and banners the "peaceful Moslem British citizens" held up while the Brit troops came marching by?
Goober, you must have taken your oath in the peace corp, or maybe made up your own.
If muslims in this area (whether they are "American citizens" or not, ever disrespected the returning American troops in THIS area, there would be a lot fewer of them.
As for the "mosque" itself, take some mideast advice - about letting the camel get it's nose under the tent. I will suffer the islamic religion when islamic nations allow the Christians and Jews to build churches and synagogues in THEIR islamic countries. Hey, how about a Catholic cathedral 15 stories high in Tehran, Bagdad, Damascus? Come to think of it, how about a Greek Orthodox cathedral in Bagdad in a peaceful gesture to reach out to the "persians" killed at Thermopolae?

the title is incorrect. To abandon would mean he started out supporting. Patently false. This is an opportune situation in the overall scheme of destroying America. There can be no other interpretation, and those who support Big Zero are enemies of this former Republic.
There is no such thing as "moderate muslim".

Before you can proceed with 'your' pet project to fix America, make it possible: Repeal the 17th Amendment to restore checks and balances against runaway federal government.

The more OBAMA dose this the more he is going to end up totaly destroying himself and his fellow liberal demactas which isnt so bad after all

Wizbang is basically a crypto-fascist website. The posters and most commenters would love to have a dictatorship (Heil Palin!) to round up all Muslims and put them in concentration camps. - Galoob

"A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." [Robert O. Paxton, "The Anatomy of Fascism," 2004]

Galoob, I would ask you, who does that definition of Facism more aptly describe? Leftists like to throw the term "Facist" out because of its ties to Hitler and the Nazi's but in truth it is much more applicable to Obamalini and the modern Progressive movement.

Yours, and others of your political bent, continue to show ignorance and lash out in the face of adversity to your arguments with simplified slogan chanting and name calling. You are right in pointing out that we have the freedom to build, own and say the things we want in this country but we also have the responsibility to use those freedoms with a certain amount of common sense, much of which is lacking in this decision.

Hypothetical situation: Group of surviving Nazi soldiers want to build a monument to WWII and the Third Reich at Auschwitz, done of course in the name of "peace" do you favor or disfavor? I'm thinking if you had an ounce of decency and common sense you would be very against, perhaps you could look at it like that as you type out your arguments.

Arizona passed an bill to stop illegal immigration. The left immediately vilified it even though it was done legally and through representation. Now they want Arizona punished by boycott and wasting tax dollars defending their law. But if conservatives say the Imam that wants to build a mosque right next to ground zero is doing so out of spite and hate, the left (galoob) states we are hateful people. See how they work. The left is the true haters while we the conservatives know it is legal for the Imam to build it but we want to know why would they with so much opposition from the families whose loved ones died on 9/11. You see, Cindy Sheehan lost one son to the war in Iraq, but the left beat the right over the head with her saying we should listen to this ONE woman. You lefties are pathologic indeed. You are exhibiting traits of psychosis.

It comes down to why would the muslims want to build there? The real why. And does anyone know what Cordoba stands for? ww

In defense of Galoob and JimX and the other leftists - I think they really do have what they think is the 'good' of the country in mind, and they're 'fighting the good fight' against those who they think are the enemy of what they want. They have ideas which they believe - if properly implemented - would ensure comfort and security for all.

They're 'progressive' - but so far the implementation of their ideas (and ideology) seem to be having the same effect on our country as driving a car into a concrete wall at 80 MPH has on the vehicle and occupants thereof. It does no good to insist that the car and the concrete - being composed of mostly empty space with a smattering of electrons, neutrons and protons - should be able to interpenetrate with no damage... the reality is a massive amount of damage will (and has) occurred - and no amount of belief in the ideology will change that.

Then again, they could be rapacious bastards who follow the ideology because they think when the revolution comes they'll be rewarded for being good little supporters by high-status positions in the new government. Far more likely they'll be the first up against the wall - after all, they won't be needed any more, and they might turn their proven skills to 'counter-revolutionary' efforts.

They are, after all, eminently disposable.

Well said JLawson!!

(Wondering if they will accept old guy volunteering for firing squad?)

Have to say did not see this one coming