Disgusting S.O.B.'s

My first thought was "hey, maybe someone can fly a plane into their mosque"?

This is a slap in the face to all Americans, wake up people, why was this allowed?

Oh goody! They can put speakers on the minaret and broadcast Hamas propaganda 24/7. Perhaps it's time to visit the NYC building and planning department and find out what genius issued a permit.

I saw call the EPA the Mosque cannot be built because it further endangers those rare birds, common sense, patriotism & strength of character.

Fear not, we're better than terrorists.

Muslims are building a house of worship two blocks from ground zero. So what?

Our beef is with a handful of terror-practicing Islamic extremists, not the whole Muslim nation.

You babies scare me more than they do. Grow the f*ck up. It's a mosque, not a monument.

Don't you DARE think you can take religious freedom away from Americans because you don't like their religion. Don't you f*cking dare.

Religious freedom? You dumbass piece of shit Lee Ward of the state. A building is not a religion. But you are still a dumbass.

Lee:

Pull your head out of your ass and wake up! It's a monument. They could build this in any borough of N.Y.C and they picked the area where they brought this country to our knees. Maybe you don't see 911 as a travesty, but most of us Americans do!

"Our beef is with a handful of terror-practicing Islamic extremists, not the whole Muslim nation."

Muslim is not a 'nation', it's a religion. AND I don't hear them beating their breasts 24/7 PROTESTING those murderers who've hijacked their religion. All I hear is SILENCE!

I see it as a travesty, for sure. Just look at what 911 has done to some Americans - they'd take away religious freedom, a foundation of our nation, because they are terrorized scared little children.

It's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. It's a building. Our beef is with terrorists, not the entire nation of Islam or the religion itself.

You children scare me. Our nation is becoming a country full of hand-wringing bedwetters who are afraid of anyone a different color or who practice a different religion.

When was the mass spine-removal procedure from the religious right? Muslims can practice their religion on any street corner in America. ANY street corner. At least that's true in my America.

Well, actually, yeah, it is religious practice: Building a house of worship. People object to this particular house of worship because it is a Muslim house of worship.

Sounds like religious intolerance to me.

"When was the mass spine-removal procedure from the religious right? Muslims can practice their religion on any street corner in America. ANY street corner. At least that's true in my America"

Couldn't they practice thier faith and pour less salt into a wound in another location?

Im not religious,but this just seems so? Purposefully malicious.

Hm. BoGlo columnist Jacoby pulled some opinions from moderate Muslims.

"IS GROUND ZERO the right place for a major new mosque and Islamic cultural center? Cordoba House is a 15-story, $100 million development to be built just 600 feet from where the World Trade Center stood; the plans include the mosque, a 500-seat auditorium, swimming pool, restaurant, and bookstore."

So thats where some of my stimulus dollars went. I promise to never pay it back. Just like Barry.

OOOOOOOEEEWWWWW!!! Newsflash!!

Barry is gonna update us all on his mist.... I mean to asscertain his preoccupation lately with that "OTHER WOMAN IN THE GULF!" I can hardly wait to applause the prompted One. Im getting all giddy and tingly just like crissy before he blows a wad.

By the way,? How'd that flyby go Barry? Did she recognize yo ass?

Who would have thought our liberal friends would be so quick to defend religion. Feel the same way about Jews and Christians.... of course not. So people who are concerned about the violence that eminates from the muslim religion can just STF up right. So if a christian faith say the Westbrough Baptist want to build a mega church near Arlington National Cemetary AOK right going to jump up and defend them? How about the kooks who killed Dr Tiller how about they put up a place of worship next door to his house A-OK with that too? Will you be ok if a bunch of us crazy conseratives march around the place with pictures, no make that cartoons of Mohammad, how do you think that might go over with the Religion of Peace? And please don't give me the small minority crap, in America Muslims should have nothing to fear for speaking out about the barbarians among them and don't mean 10 or 20 articals in some blog I mean mass protests against the clerics that preach hate, mass out pouring of muslims when one of their kind tries to blow up a plane, or say set off a bomb in Times Square. I'll believe the majority are against this when they show themselves to be against it.

Somehow, while the libs see everything Christian as an affront and threat to their liberty they cannot see how islam actually is such a threat. At the same time they cannot see that this is not merely a mosque, but a shrine to what muslims want to make one of their holiest of holy sites, the place where they murdered 3000 of our fellow citizens.

"in America Muslims should have nothing to fear for speaking out about the barbarians among them"

Maybe they fear finding out they are one?

I saw let them build their damn mosque -- as long as Christians can build gigantic Christian churches in Mecca and Medina.

I saw that too!!

"Our beef is with terrorists, not the entire nation of Islam or the religion itself."

What you are once again failing to recognize is that islam does not recognize a difference between the religion and their government. They do not seek to assimilate into the countries they immigrate to. They see their religious leaders with the same view as we see our political leaders. Their imams are spewing anti-American and anti-Jew hate everywhere. Not just in caves in the hinterland of Afghanistan.

The so-called moderates are not standing up against terrorism, they are complicit with their silence. We look back at history and say that the German people were complicit with the Nazi's because they were silent as the Nazi's rose to power and committed their atrocities. The same goes for the "moderate" muslim. They are just as complicit if not more because many give money freely to terror front organizations (See the holy land foundation)which then use that money to support terrorism.

Is that prejudiced? Maybe. But then I don't want to be wrong and see them turn my country into some sharia nightmare just because I'm trying to look fashionably tolerant by ignoring their violence.

Very nicely put jim m.

Can you bum me a smoke?

It's odd sometimes how eager the left is to support Islam, and denigrate Christianity. They can't seem to understand why we'd object to a Mosque near Ground Zero.

I'm sure, however, they'd decry a Victory Monument set in the middle of Hiroshima. And have no problems with a Shinto shrine set up over the USS Arizona memorial.

It's strictly situational - as long as America can be blamed, it's all good.

Building this Mosque is insesitive to the extreme, imagine any group being this insesitve to the muslims. If they feel entitled to build the damn thing then the people opposed should feel equally entitled to treat them with as little sesitivity as they are showing.

John-

Are you inferring that barbarians have incestuous desires?

It's odd sometimes how eager the left is to support Islam, and denigrate Christianity. They can't seem to understand why we'd object to a Mosque near Ground Zero.

I'm sure, however, they'd decry a Victory Monument set in the middle of Hiroshima. And have no problems with a Shinto shrine set up over the USS Arizona memorial.

It's strictly situational - as long as America can be blamed, it's all good.

22. Posted by JLawson |

It's typical of Christina extremists to wrap themselves in their country's flag and declare the country "theirs".

"It's odd sometimes how eager the left is to support Islam, and denigrate Christianity. They can't seem to understand why we'd object to a Mosque near Ground Zero."

So Christians would like to throw away the American's First Amendment right to freedom of religion because "they" are offended by the location of this mosque?

Gee, that's surprising..not It sounds like something Nazis would do, actually.

Folks like Lawson see Muslims in New York and they see "the enemy". Christians like Lawson are offended by the location of the mosque, therefore the first amendment get tossed out the window?

Not in my country.

"It's strictly situational - as long as America can be blamed, it's all good."

Nobody is "blaming America." Another childish remark from the right wing bedwetters.

Grow the f*ck up, it's not "all about you" you poor, poor little baby. The Constitution gives the muslims the right to practive their religion on any street corner - who the F8ck cares if poor little JLawson is shivering in his boots and offended?

Certainly not me, and certainly not any thinking American.

Wow Lee! You have the right to remain ignorant...

"The Constitution gives the muslims the right to practive "

Whats that? Fistfucking? I thought that was the Koran? You pig. Oh, is that sacreligious to You? Oh well, Screw off

So if a christian faith say the Westbrough Baptist want to build a mega church near Arlington National Cemetary AOK right going to jump up and defend them? How about the kooks who killed Dr Tiller how about they put up a place of worship next door to his house A-OK with that too? Will you be ok if a bunch of us crazy conseratives march around the place with pictures, no make that cartoons of Mohammad, how do you think that might go over with the Religion of Peace?

John, are you off the meds or on them? Can't tell from this little screed. But let's pick things apart:

Would I be happy about Fred Phelps wanting a church at Arlington Cemetery, Christians buildng a shrine near Tiller's house, or Christians marching around with their signs?

No, I wouldn't, of course. But there's a large difference between me expressing dissatisfaction and me lobbying my local zoning board to discriminate against an organization based on its religion. As long as the proposed structure complies with local zoning laws and with building-safety codes, I see no reason for a local government to stand in the way of a private transaction.

Also, I cannot control how Muslims will react to your cartoon depiction of their prophet. I'd say that if they try to use zoning laws to silence you, they'd be interfering with your right to free speech.

And by the way, shouldn't you fair-weather libertarians object in the first place to a New York City board interfering in a private, legal transaction?

Also:

The so-called moderates are not standing up against terrorism, they are complicit with their silence.

"I see no reason for a local government to stand in the way of a private transaction"

Than obviously you voted against Barry? Hes all for loco and federal intrusion as he sees fit. Of course in this case he will be jonny on the muslim spot when it comes to protecting his disciples.

Here Lee Ward let me save you the trouble.

Republicans were for Mosques in NY before we had a black president.

So if the idea of the shrine to the Tiller killers offended you, you would do nothing about it, you wouldn't try to stop it, why the hell not? Great that's fine for you what do you think Tiller's family might think, you know some of the people in NY lost loved ones on 9/11.

No matter how off my meds you think I am this is plain offensive, so I'm all for them building their GD mosque I'm also all for a cartoon mohammad exhibition on the sidewalk accross the street. You OK with that or should NY not give a permit for that free speach?

And Lee Please with the christian exteremist....

John:

I might agitate in the local paper, but that's it. As I said before, I believe in free exercise of religion. That means following that principle even when I find somebody's personal exercise personally distasteful.

I'm all for them building their GD mosque I'm also all for a cartoon mohammad exhibition on the sidewalk accross the street. You OK with that or should NY not give a permit for that free speach?

Sounds fine to me.

"I'm all for them building their GD mosque I'm also all for a cartoon mohammad exhibition on the sidewalk accross the street. You OK with that or should NY not give a permit for that free speach"

As long as no minor children are involved. Say under the age of 16? Oh wait, that may cause a problemo.

Great I'll see you there 9/11/2011 Cartoon Mohammad day in NYC.

John --

Didn't say I'd patronize it. Just that I see no problem with it from a policy standpoint.

"And Lee Please with the christian exteremist.... "

Anyone who (like JLawson, to whom that remark is directed) whines that they as a Christian are offended and therefore they as a Christian advocate the suspension of the First Amendment rights to freedom of religion - hey, that's a Christian extremist in my book.

That's someone who puts their religion above their country. That's an religious extreme position in my view. They are attempting to take away the freedom of religion for Americans with whom they disagree. You don't consider that extreme? I do.

When they then wrap themselves in the US flag and declare that anyone who doesn't agree with them is anti-American it's just plain extreme.

"Their" America doesn't allow freedom of religion if the practice of that first amendment right offends them as Christian?

That's just plain extreme.

" Another childish remark from the right wing bedwetters."

The irony of this remark is impressive, only exceeded by:

"Grow the f*ck up, it's not "all about you" you poor, poor little baby."

Bottom line, muslims attacked and killed thousands of americans in NY. Now muslims want to erect a mosque at that spot. And lee has no clue, no clue whatsoever as to why some might object. Nope, he's all for it. Why? For no other reason than it gives him what he thinks is another opportunity to slam his favorite targets, Christians and conservatives.

35.

Dont you have a call to prayer to attend somewhere?

Personally I tend to side with James H on this topic.

I do think the mosque is offensive and wrong, but I don't think there is a legal basis to stop it.

But's there is kind of a gray area. For example free speech rights do not extend to shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre. It's a bit of a stretch but if you look at everything they're doing here this is, in some ways, an incitement to violence which is not protected by the First Ammendment.

P. Bunyan:

Everything they're doing? Like the proposed culinary school within center? I look forward to the tabouleh of mass destruction.

Sure, there is no LEGAL reason to stop it. But as we all know, legality often gets squashed by passion.

A nice fantasy: legally buy up all the property surrounding the mosque and populate the buildings with everything imaginable that's offensive to Muslims, and dispaly it 24/7/365 and run the [bleep] out of town.

I don't care if you're Chrsitian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, zoroastrian or whatever. Them building a huge mosque near the site where barbarians murdered 3,000 people of many stripes and nationalities is an unbelievable offense. To me, it's no different than if some of Tim McVeigh's fellow sociopaths legally bought land near the site of the Murrah building to errect a monument to McVeigh and establish a militia information center.

James:

NO. More like WHERE they're building it, WHAT they're naming it, and WHEN they're opening it. These things were all carefully chosen to be deliberately offensive. Kinda like "fighting words".

P. Bunyan:

Won't work. "Fighting words" is a very, very narrow doctrine.

Lee, your argument falls apart (as yours always do) when I enter the equation. Because, as I've repeatedly stated, I'm not a Christian. My objections to the megamosque are completely divorced from any religous beliefs, as I have none.

This whole project is a very carefully crafted insult, from the ground up. It is nothing less than an assertion of Islamic supremacism, and every aspect is aimed towards that.

I am saddened, but not surprised, that you choose to side with the insulters.

J.

I side with Constitution and the First Amendment, Jay.

You side with the Christian extremists who want to throw the First Amendment out -- but you aren't one - you just support their view.

At least they have principles to back up their stand. You -- you just are offended. In your view, if you're offended the First Amendment right to freedom of religion no longer applies.

At least the Christian right have principles guiding their stance - with you it's just your big fat ego.

Whatever.

Lee, kindly do one of two things:

1) show where I called for any kind of legal action to stop the mosque, or did anything besides express my 1st Amendment right to speak out against it. Alternately,

2) Admit that you're as much of a pathological liar as Obama. (I have it on a world-renowned expert on pathological liars that he is one.)

I'd be curious to know your own initial reaction to the news of the mosque, before you came here and saw which way we were talking, then did your instinctive knee-jerk disagreement.

No, that's a lie. I am utterly incurious about anything about you.

J.

Hank yanks..."And lee has no clue, no clue whatsoever as to why some might object. Nope, he's all for it. Why? For no other reason than it gives him what he thinks is another opportunity to slam his favorite targets, Christians and conservatives"

I understand why some would object. I just don't believe their objections overrides the Constituion of the United States, even if they are very important and pious Christians, sorry.

An dI"m not all for it "For no other reason than it gives him what he thinks is another opportunity to slam his favorite targets, Christians and conservatives". You lie well enough to blog here on Wizbang!

AS I've stated repeatedly, the First Amendment of the Constitution of the Unites States of America provides for freedom of religion. Just because some Christians (or non-Christians) believes their feeling are more important than Constitutional rights - that's no reason to deny Muslim Americans their right to freedom of religion.

We're talking about AMERICANS here, AMERICANS who want to worship as they see fit and where they see fit.

You Nazis who want to remove that right should go jump in a lake.

Jay Tea:

In all honesty, your most recent WB post does do by implication:

No, this is clearly an "in-your-face" move, designed to prey on Americans' traditional tolerance and acceptance of others, our eagerness to show how open-minded we can be, and the willingness of so many of us to "blame America first."

No.

Not this time.

Not in this place.

Not so close to that hallowed ground.

The most recent relevant event is a community board's decision to endorse construction along with the associated protests. Also, according to the AP, the best hope to stop construction is a declaration that an existing building constitutes a historic landmark.

I hit "submit" too early. Given that the most likely avenues to halt construction involve government intervention, you may wish to clarify your remarks in the most recent blog post, Jay Tea.

Aha. Found it. According to the NYT:

The group needs the approval of the Landmarks Preservation Commission, which could decide as early as July if the building merits historic protection.

[...]

The City Council has the power to overturn decisions on landmarks.

Which means that in the current rigamarole, activists would pressure a landmarks board to block construction not because of the building's status as a historical landmark, but because they happen to object to a Muslim organization taking up residence there.

James, unlike you, I'm not a lawyer. My mind isn't trained to think in terms of legalities. It often does, but that's not universal. Maybe I was having a "will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" moment. I'm really not sure.

All I know is, in that other piece, I spelled out precisely why I believe this mosque is a calculated insult and challenge to America, and I am in no mood to turn the other cheek. If that means playing "my lawyer can beat up your lawyer," OK. If that means that a year from next September I scrape up the money, go down to NYC, and show up at the opening of the mosque with a big poster of the Mohammed cartoons and several pocketsful of ham (as improvised body armor), fine. If that means going "tsk, tsk" if someone takes things even further, so be it. This mosque is pissing on the graves of several thousand of my fellow countrymen.

You're absolutely right. I'm not being entirely rational here. I am letting my emotions get the better of me in this case.

And I'm OK with that.

J.

Oh, how rich. The tyrant who ruled Wizbang Blue with an iron fist and ran it right into the ground is calling others "Nazis."

You sent far, far more commenters to the Blogcentration Camps in your brief Reign Of Error than I have in... let's see... over five years, Lee.

And how do you like having a Lee Ward-certified "pathological liar" in the White House? Just when did he stop being that, and become The Bestest And Dreamiest President Evah in your eyes?

J.

Lee Ward, your use of labeling any reader/writer, nazi, at Wizbang will get you not nailed by Jay Tea, but by me.
Don't do it again.

"any religous beliefs, as I have none"

Actually you do, although you might not believe in a supreme being. Atheism is a religion. You can't know everything so you have to believe things about the things you don't know and that is your religion. Everyone has a religion.

But Lee's point is still invalid as usual.

I'm not sure on the current legal status of all this--what with the Constitution having come to life and all, but a from originalist interpretation of the Constitution a local zoning board has the authority to deny a permit for any building that was as offensive as this just for that reason. There's probabaly precident on that. Now saying "you can't build a mosque in our community at all" probably wouldn't work in this day and age (although in the past it might have), but I don't see where is a Constitutional problem with them saying "you can't build a mosque in that spot".

So this really boils down to what the voters in New York want or whether the politicians in New York care what their voters want.

Jay "clarify his remarks?" lol. sweet. He was in such a rus to write that piece he just spewed his usual nonsense.

When everyone ignored his "Ship of Fools" post today (a whopping 4 comments so far after 7 hours!) Jay steals Priestap's story and writes one of his own, complete with is usual addled-brained jibberish and big ego pontifications.

And when having his own post on the subject isn't enough Jay wanders over here and starts trolling on this post.

What's the matter, Jay? Upset because I didn't comment in your ego-filled rant? So you come over here and start throwing your little spit balls in my direction?

And as soon as I put you in your place you start the personal attacks. Surprise, surprise.

Your ego is exceeded only by your waistline, Jay. Now feel free to stick to the topic and get off your obsession with me. I'm flattered that a 40 year old unmarried male would follow me around, sorta -- but people are gonna talk.

"I'd be curious to know your own initial reaction to the news of the mosque"

LOL, yeah riiiight. Pigs will be flying through the air over Mecca before Lee Ward would ever admit something like that.

When not being a racist and accusing black men of being pathological liars, Lee likes to engage in homophobia.
He goes to all three wells quite often.

You babies scare me more than they do. Grow the f*ck up. It's a mosque, not a monument.

You obviously didn't listen to the vimeo video did you? It IS a monument.

Post 35 no Lee when they fly planes into buildings they are religious extermist when they dissagree and call you names they are exercising their 1st amendment rights to call you unpatriotic. It's sort like racist, real racist call for Jews to go to Germany, criticizing Obama is not racist. Christians can wrap themselves in the flag and call you names all they want just like you can wrap yourself in the flag and defend terrorist.

#35 and although JLawson doesn't need my help, a real Christian exteremist would be Eric Rudolf not JLawson.