I've been a long time believer in balance in the government. For the bast years I have voted, where I did not know of a candidate's positions, I looked at the slate and would vote democrat, if it would balance out an excess of republicans, vote for a woman, if it would balance out an excess of men.

Now, unless the republican candidate is a complete sleeze, I'm determined to just vote down the line. I'm sick of the democrats just completely screwing us. Their actions are likely doing the same changes to other moderate conservatives like me.

Shove it up your ass bitch queen!

Our new aristocracy.

Aren't they GLORIOUS?

Stevie, Bruce, BryanD - aren't you PROUD of these people? They don't CARE what the people want, they know what's BEST for us, and they're going to shove it to us good and hard while relieving us of excess money to pay for it!

Enjoy the triumph, guys, if this passes - and then start worrying about November. If it fails - start worrying about November.

The dems hope this will all blow over by November.

It won't blow over for me ever. I will never forget this night.

Hubris.

If this monstrosity passes, it will be:
'AMERICA, YOU'VE BEEN PUNKED".
Really sad
Madalyn

Let me note that I'm disappointed in the results.

But then, I'm of the opinion that the majority of the public, as reflected in polls and elsewhere, oppose Obamacare.

BUT, here's the problem: The Dems are voting for it.

Why?

I can see only a few answers:

1. There are a lot of suicidal folks in the Dem party, folks who are so committed to the Party that they'll not just take one for the team, but will self-immolate their careers on its behalf.

That says a lot about the Dems, and puts the GOP to shame in terms of solidarity.

2. There are a lot of delusional folks in the Dem party. They absolutely believe that the people actually support Obamacare, and that the protests are as meaningful (to them) as the anti-war/peacenik protestors were against Reagan or Dubya.

In which case, November 2010 and 2012 will wake them up.

3. There are neither delusional nor suicidal folks in the Dem party. Their internal polls (politicians' polls are usually MUCH more accurate than those of the MSM) indicate either that this will blow over, or the population back home really does support Obamacare, or Obamacare is irrelevant to how folks will vote.

In which case, there'd better be a Republican Plan-B for November.

Here's hoping the Tea Party movement keeps up the passion. Here's hoping they can help protect Dems who voted "No" (they'll need it, given the nasty ways of Obama). Here's hoping they can mobilize the forces to beat out Dems who voted "Yes" in primaries, and Republicans in cases where the former doesn't happen.

B/c it never pays to assume your opponent's stupid or delusional.

That big hammer's gonna hurt come November.

#7,

Clearly, in aggregate, the Dems don't realize that they've broken the social contract.

They are systematically destroying the social contract by dismissing the consent of the governed.

They have done so on many levels; economically, with unsustainable and massive deficits that are mathematically certain to bankrupt this country. Socially, by forcing pro-life Americans to pay for other people's abortions. Constitutionally, by making people purchase health-care insurance, regardless of personal circumstance.

They now propose to use the IRS to enforce compliance with the mandatory purchasing of health care insurance. The 'Borg' have arrived and 'Resistance is futile'.

This is going to decimate the health care system in this country and they are actively nationalizing the economy.

"If the public are bound to yield obedience, to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them." -Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772

It is very easy to say the dem's will pay in November. They will if and only if we keep their actions in the forefront of all discussions. We need to CONSTANTLY remind everyone we talk to how the democratic leadership thumbed it's noses at the american people insinuating that we are too stupid to understand what we need. We cannot assume that most will remember. We need to remind. Over and over again. Even though this bill will be challenged in the SCOTUS, the citizens have to be reminded how the democrat's hold it's citizens in such contempt. ww

Of course they're going to follow this up almost immediately by legalizing all of the illegal immigrants.

And if they can pull that off we might not be able to vote them out.

"The dems hope this will all blow over by November."

Actually, Nancy hopes it will all blow over after the vote today. Which isn't going to happen. There's still the House "fix". Then there are two states ready to file lawsuits, with 35 others right behind. Then others to file lawsuits on the 'mandate'.

THIS IS ONLY BEGINNING! Nancy wanted the troops to slide into election mode crowing victory. That won't be sounds of crowing she'll be hearing.

Come on November!

Dream on.

It must be so frustrating being so ignorant, scared and hateful. You guys are such short-memoried losers.

and, by the way, your racist tea- partiers really showed their true colors today. You must be so proud.

So what would happen if all of a sudden all the illegals were given amnesty? Like they are going to find jobs while the country is going bankrupt? Good luck to all you "new" citizens.

#10,

Yes, we do need to do our version of 'remember the alamo' and we will, you can count on it. I visit a lot of blogs and the anger is deeply palpable.

Plus, as fustian points out, up next is amnesty for illegals, then cap and trade, then card check, etc, etc. Obama isn't going to let up and will resort to the Slaughter Rule in the House and reconciliation in the Senate to impose his agenda upon the nation.

So Obama is going to keep feeding the fire, dragging the Dems over the cliff.

What that means is total political war, take no prisoners, hand to hand political combat in DC. They are tearing up the social contract. Clearly they have no idea what they have done and the repercussions and consequences of their actions. You can't destroy the Constitution and replace it with socialistic tyranny and not have severe consequences.

'Useful idiots' like Stevep don't have a clue as to what they have done. But they will learn.

The Dems voting for Obamacare aren't worried about their jobs. They have been promised ambassadorships and cabinet jobs. They think this will be a promotion for them. Obama will sink to the lowest level possible to screw the American people. He has no conscience, no morals, and no class.
Madalyn

Heh.

Cap & Trade is dead in the senate. Too many senators from coal mining states. Reid might as well ask them to put a bullet in their heads as vote for Crap & Tax. Even Jay Rockefeller isn't that stupid.

Only way Card Check will pass is if Nancy tacks it onto something else, like war funding.

Barry has blown to much political capital on his health care reform. They think the hard part is over. They'll be in for a rude awakening in the next several days and Barry will be screaming "WHY ISN'T THIS OVER!"

"...God willing."

If you believe that God's will will put the GOP back in power in 2012, then to be consistent you would also have to believe that it is God's will that put the Democrats in power in 2010 and that all this was part of his plan for your life.

Obama will sink to the lowest level possible to screw the American people. He has no conscience, no morals, and no class.

First, you have no proof of this. There is no proof of this. It is just your opinion. Show me real proof and maybe you deserve an ear. Otherwise, you just sound stupid.

Now, regarding Bush, we have ample proof of how HE screwed the American people. Regarding his approval of torture techniques, it proves he has no morals. He and the republicans inability to propose or do ANYTHING regarding healthcare reform in the 10 years they had in power show the kind of conscience they had. And Cheney's bad mouthing to Patrick Leahy shows an enormous lack of class.

Nothing more pathetic than a republican who is both ignorant and delusional.

SteveP - Come out from under your rock and see for youself. All the proof in the world is right in front of your face if you would be willing to look. Now; sounding stupid? You do. You refuse to accept facts, then run around screaming "YOU NEED TO PROVE IT". Give me a break.
Madalyn
SteveP, SteveC, SteveG - all one and the same?

"SteveP, SteveC, SteveG - all one and the same?"

Yep, the three stooge's.

Now we can look forward to several months of campaigning by the Obamassiah to SELL his program to the masses.

After all, campaigning is what he does best. People are already OD'd on him, and we're about to get more.

The photo for this thread should be the 'caption of the week'.

My entry: "We're off to see the Obamassiah!"

SteveP - Come out from under your rock and see for youself. All the proof in the world is right in front of your face if you would be willing to look.

I do look. I also read. Can't see any facts in what you've laid out.

So...Okay. Tell me what it is. Not your opinion, mind you, but actual accountable facts.

Very easy to make that statement. I'm guessing not so easy to back it up, but we'll see. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Now lets see what you have...

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy..."
--Obi Wan

"First, you have no proof of this. There is no proof of this. It is just your opinion."

The proof is in the pudding. Look at the economy and deficit dumbass.

The proof is in the pudding. Look at the economy and deficit dumbass.
Yes. Look at the economy, dumbass. Take a good look at the Dow industrial average since Obama took office. Are we headed toward a great depression like we were when numbnuts was in office? No. Proof in the pudding. The economy is getting stronger. The guys on Wall Street are having a banner year. My Apple stock alone has gone from $114 (low) to $224 (high).

Jobs lag behind. You know why? Your precious banks are still refusing to create commercial paper or even small business loans, despite the fact that they've received a shitload of our money.

Get your head out of your ass. Your guy failed - terribly. Our guy is actually doing something for someone other than his wealthy friends.

So. Once again. I'll post Madalyn's statement since no one seems to want to answer it:

Obama will sink to the lowest level possible to screw the American people. He has no conscience, no morals, and no class.

Quantify that. Give me some facts. Don't just throw out your meat puppet talking points that most of you are too ignorant to even understand. Really explain this stupid statement - or don't. Personally, I don't think you can, which is why all you can offer are vague, ignorant nothings.

The stock market is down 20% since Alinski took office yet he and his ACORN staff enjoy lucrative pay and even get to avoid paying taxes.

I did not like a lot of things Bush did but this guy is an unmitigated fool and a true disaster for my kids kids to have to deal with.

The stock market is down 20% since Alinski took office yet he and his ACORN staff enjoy lucrative pay and even get to avoid paying taxes.

I did not like a lot of things Bush did but this guy is an unmitigated fool and a true disaster for my kids kids to have to deal with.

The stock market is up considerably over the last year. Considerably. 20% of anyone you don't like taking office for a few months means nothing. It's a red herring. An avoidance of answering the question I posed or any question that requires actual facts.

The simple truth is the stimulus bill - much as you might hate it - prevented a much bigger disaster. Even Bush knew the consequences of that before he left office. Too bad he didn't have the interest in actually following up as to where the money went.

Still in all, nobody can manage to give me anything of truth - only their hollow, hate-filled opinion on Obama, a man who will be responsible for your children being covered under EVERY circumstance and you not having to worry about going bankrupt or being priced out of healthcare.

But, of course, for people who hate someone and don't have the clarity of their own mind to acknowledge the REAL reasons they do -- well, you'all are a lost cause.

Hate him? That's your option - but it ain't a fact. Someday you people might learn what a fact is and stop believing the lies your talk show Gods tell you.

And, by the way, the world didn't shatter today - and it won't. Stop being so scared of everything.

Does Pelosi look like she KNOWS she's whistling past the graveyard here?

Never have so few screw up so much in such a short period of time.They all have no concept of the constituion or conscience.They will pay for their tyrrany.I hope we donn't