I wouldn't bet money on the likelihood of the courts invalidating even minor provisions of this.

Constitution? Bah, humbug!!

Senate Rules? Bah, humbug!!

Will of THE PEOPLE? Bah, humbug!!

2010? Oh yeah.

"I wouldn't bet money on the likelihood of the courts invalidating even minor provisions of this."

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Ol' Stevie; pass the Kool Aid and watch me shove my head up my ass (again).

The poverty wagon rolls on for Seazer,Dingy Greed and the rest of the Kool-aid clique..

Once they get thrashed in 2010 We will see "real" tears and "gnashing of dentures", not the phony symbolic sniffle Gried & Barry portend for the downtreaded.

What's especially preposterous is Senator Chuck Schumer's assertion that the Democrats' poll numbers will go up once the American people find out what's in the bill.

We must not forget that Chucky's got his own personal publication---the NYT's---that will gladly accomodate his assertion.

And then there's the Schumer/Nelson connection:

Then the senator from New York saw a pheasant, took aim, and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened.

"He didn't get the safety off, so he couldn't shoot," his host, Nelson, recalled with a chuckle Tuesday morning. "You have to push the safety off to shoot. He figured that out." link

Chucky also figured out what Nelson's price was, called Harry, and said "put it in the bill". This is what most Americans are getting sick of, and will show their "foul mood" next Novermber.

While Griffith (filled seat vacated by Cramer(D-AL) in '08) will likely lose in the Republican primary, it is interesting that apparently he thought he had a better chance winning as a former-Democrat in the Republican primary than he did as a Democrat in the general election.

New Yorkers ain't exactly happy today. They just found out how much their 'share' of expanded medicare is going to cost the state. You can bet Uncle Chucky got an earful.

NY'rs should be used to getting taxed to death by now? I guess their just braindead from the neck up.

Garandfan: are you in such a hurry to post your insults that you don't take time to actually read and understand the comments you're addressing? there's no koolaid being drunk here, except perhaps by those who think the courts are going to ride to the rescue and rule this unconstitutional. just because you think something is unconstitutional doesn't mean (1) anybody else does and (2) and more importantly, that anyone wearing a judge's robe is going to agree.

and please spare me the verse about why you think this is unconstitutional... your opinion means nothing to the courts... and the last time I checked, they're the ones who get to decide and not you and not me.

Didn't know you were now a constitutional scholar Steve. I've got my copy right here on my desk.

Suppose you could direct me to the article and section that gives congress the authority to bar future congressional action to overturn current legislation? Or maybe where they have the authority to violate the equal protection clause? Or how about where it says they can force SOME of the citizens to buy insurance but not others?

Sturm is a moron. He has no understanding of our government. He thinks that what fascist Democrats do trump the constitution...of boy is he is for a shock.

Parker Griffith will loose the 5th district Republican primaries, he's despised by conservatives here.

That he had the sense to flee the ship in not unusual as most Democrats that are in marginal districts are getting internal polling that shows them far behind a generic Republican challenger.

Steve, you are way wrong. There are a number of constitutional issues at play here mainly because of the sloppy work done on this bill. I am not like you and claim to be a constitutional scholare, but what age, experience and history teach is this bill stinks in numerous ways. We know it. You know it. Congress knows it. All of this because the empty suit in the white house doesn't want to "fail". Too late. He already did. 56% disapproval. All time record. ww

And I'll keep repeating, it doesn't matter what you and I think of its constitutionality, or whether it stinks in other ways, we're not the ones who get to rule on the issue.

So scream all you want about there being nothing in the Constitution that allows Congress to pass a mandate that everybody buy insurance or whether it violates equal protection provisions for Nebraska to get a pass on certain provisions... per the quip, neither you nor me nor the Pope has any divisions.

"And I'll keep repeating, it doesn't matter what you and I think of its constitutionality, or whether it stinks in other ways, we're not the ones who get to rule on the issue."

Like hell!! There is no other Man above You or Me that We should relinquish such things too.

"...we're not the ones who get to rule on the issue..."

By that standard, why do comment on anything? Certainly you don't have a vote on most of it.

I accept trolls as a fact of life on the internet but, dammit, at least do a halfway job of it. If you are such a pathetic loser that this is the best you can come up with, troll the pre-teen boards. Are your Mommy and Daddy siblings, by chance?

Why don't you answer the questions I asked Steve?

As citizens we DO have a say in this because its a Representative Republic.

There are two ways that we can have a say in this, well three really.
1. Direct input through communications with our state/federal representative.
2. Voting for a new representative if the first fails to listen.
3. The third way, which is to take up arms to overthrow a tyrannical government.

Its at the 'elect a new representative' point right now...Parker Griffith is playing both sides of the aisle in a failing effort to get on the right side of history. That he is reviled by conservatives in the 5th district is no surprise to him. He's seen the polling and switched parties because of it. It doesn't matter though, he'll meet two conservatives in the primary and will lose to one of them.

An interesting point that I saw recently is that the Senate bill does not exempt people who are living outside the country from the yearly penalty tax. They would not be eligible for the "insurance plans" that we are going to be forced to buy, but would still be hit with the penalty for not having it.

They will either have to pay for the unusable insurance or pay the fine.

It is like a single man who must pay the "abortion premium" or purchase insurance that would cover his pregnancy.

NN: I hope you're not as naive in life as you are in your comment. It doesn't matter what YOU think the Constitution says, you're not the one who gets to decide. You can huff and puff all you want to and pull out your copy of the Constitution until the pages fall off... and it doesn't matter, your opinion doesn't count.

And by the way, my interpretation is the same as yours... but my opinion doesn't count either.

this is something that is going to come back to bite the dems in the ass... reid gave sweetheart deals to a few senators that held out on the healthcare bill.. while the other dem senators towed the line for reid and the president.. no questions asked... they supported the bill no matter what was in it... and now... they are seeing.. hey .. if I hold out.. I can get a few hundred million to a billion dollars too... and now.. in future negotiations that the dems are going to make... how many senators do you think are going to hold legislation up to get themselves some of that payola? How do youthink the dems are going to do with future bills? how much is it going to cost the american people to pay off dems to get legislation passed... we have the cap and trade bill coming up... can you imagine how many dems are going to hold out and how much its going to cost the american people...

the dems really really really screwed themselves with these bribery sweetheart deals... this will put the dems in a whole new catagory of swindlers....

the dem party has really done some serious damage to themselves... very serious damage...

see ya
cathy : )