Grayson didn't say Republicans wanted Americans to die. He said Republicans want Americans to die quickly once they get sick. He's pointing to the obstruction being done by Republicans over the health reform plans that will, if the Republicans get their way - leave many Americans without health insurance.

Republicans aren't constructively contributing to make a plan that works, they are hoping it fails and hoping Obama fails.

Grayson is right.

And saying Grayson said Republicans want "Republicans want people to die" is incorrect.

"Don't get sick.... If you get sick, America, the Republican health care plan is this: 'Die quickly!'"

His actual quote is quite a bit different than what the ring wing blogs are telling you, isn't it?

I wonder why...

Could it be that they lie to you in order to get you angry and upset - and to make you hate Democrats as much as they do?

Yeah, those damned Republicans don't even have a "plan" like Barry does. Er...a... well, it was sorta written down.....a little bit. But you can't see it, 'cause it's "secret".

On the other hand, and no thanks to the MSM for denying it exists, you could look at this:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2520

As for Grayson, as small time asshole, trying to make the big time. Probably got a pat on the head and smile(?) from Madam Speaker. "Good boy, good boy!".

I'll also point out to Stevie that Grayson's comments obviously fall into that approved "civil discourse" that Madan DeFarge wants to encourage.

"Don't get sick.... If you get sick, America, the Republican health care plan is this: 'Die quickly!'

"His actual quote is quite a bit different than what the ring wing blogs are telling you, isn't it?"

Oh whew! I'm sure glad you cleared that up for us.

But I'm pretty much thinking along the same lines as Jay by saying: "Well, the Democrats' plan is "Don't get old. And if you do get old, make sure you have instructions on where the plug is and how to pull it as quickly as possible!"

See? Two can play that game. We won't even go into his holocaust apology.

Stevie, Stevie, look at the poster of this guy. Look it up. You lefties and your nuances. But Stevie, you have already proven your dishonesty and lack of intellect on other threads yet here you are.

This Grayson guy lives in a district where they went republican in a big way in 2000-2002-2004-2006. He barely won in 2008. We should thank him for the commercial. Now we have Pelosi and other leaders of the democratic party just bashing moderate to conservative thinkers. Keep it up Stevie. 2010 is so close. ww

Steve Green wrote:

He's pointing to the obstruction being done by Republicans over the health reform plans . . .

Right. Those mean, nasty Republicans with their measly 40 seats in the Senate and 177 seats in the House are obstructing "reform." Here's a clue, meathead: buy a junior high school civics book and a calculator.

And another thing:

If the Democrats really wanted to help people who can't afford healthcare, they would have used their 60% majority in the Congress and passed relatively simple legislation which could have done just that. But, they didn't. Instead, they're out there writing up absurdly complicated bills that no one can understand and they don't even want to be made public before its voted on.

They didn't pass simple legislation because their goal isn't really to give poor people healthcare. Their goal is to implement a single payer plan.

s green - "He's pointing to the obstruction being done by Republicans over the health reform plans that will, if the Republicans get their way - leave many Americans without health insurance."

And you're pointing at it also.

Problem for him, and you, is the assertion is patent bullshit. Have you seriously not heard of repub suggestions to use tort reform and competition across state lines to lower the cost of insurance among other things?

If not your far from qualified from commenting on this post.

The reality is "quite a bit different than what" you are claiming, isn't it?

"I wonder why..."

Could it be because you're more bullshit artist than honest debater?

Face it Steve your Dem friends have no excuses what-so-ever. They have the White House, they have the Congress and they have the Senate. If they cannot pass anything it is not due to GOP obstruction but their own incompetency.

We have no health care plan because 1) they can't get their act together, 2) they know that he plan offered so far is completely unacceptable to the majority of Americans (and before you say anything go look at the polls) and 3)they lack the courage to pass legislation that they claim is for the good of Americans because they value popularity and reelection over benefiting their country.

Rush is not the leader of the GOP
Beck is not the leader of the GOP
Palin is not the leader of the GOP
Steele is not the leader of the GOP

The person leading the GOP is creating more new conservatives than Reagan did and his name is Barack Hussein Obama.

Pssst s green.

Here are your follow demturds, an amendment was offered to the healthcare bill that mandated medicare fraud be lowered from the present 10 percent rate to no more than 3.9 percent - the average of all gov programs.

It got shot down in a 13 to 10 vote. Here are the 13 demturds: MAX BAUCUS -no, JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER -no, KENT CONRAD -no, JEFF BINGAMAN -no, JOHN F. KERRY -no, BLANCHE L. LINCOLN -no, RON WYDEN -no, CHARLES E. SCHUMER - no, DEBBIE STABENOW -no, MARIA CANTWELL -no, BILL NELSON -no, ROBERT MENENDEZ - no, THOMAS CARPER -no.

That begs the question, why are demturds "obstructionists" when it comes to cutting fraud from medicare?

It's just one, small, no very small point.

"If the Democrats can choose to make Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck the "head" of the Republican party ... "

Actually, right after Madame Botox made her (in)famous shiver, tear, shiver, I'm so frightened, nationally staged event (SF 70s), her outraged bots started hitting conservative blogs. How dare your "leaders" incite violence!!!!! What "leaders"? You know, Beck, Limbaugh. Huh?

The Dems/Left can't distinguish between conservative (or Libertarians) & Republicans. Republican "leaders" forget it. Right-center recognizes Beck & Limbaugh as entertainers. They have a political message, of course. But Republican leaders? Most would even question them as right-center leaders.

The Dem/Left has their "Leaders" Moore, Gore, Sarandon, Kos, Huff & Posture, etc. I don't know. Maybe Nanzi, Reid, The One, Dem office holders.

No wonder nothing gets done. We don't even speak a common language.

Steve Green,
Since the dems hold the majority in both house and senate... how again are the republican's blocking anything?

SCSIwuzzy -

Republicans are blocking everything by using their evil mind rays against the virtuous dems.

Looks like wittle stevie ran home to mommy.

Ignoring that the truly wealthy, like the Hiltons and the Kennedys and their ilk use trusts to shield their assets from paying their "fair share.")

The ability to circumvent estate tax is fairly limited. One can get out of a good bit, of course, but one can't escape the lion's share of it.

Facetious, I dont get facetious here. I think you hit the nail right on the head.

The premise that government run healthcare will be a benefit to Americans should be challenged at every turn. It will be an expensive bureaucratic monstrosity rife with waste and fraud while accelerating the deaths of the truly ill by the thousands. It will bankrupt the country the same way it has threatened to bankrupt every state that has tried it. Every nation that has tried this is pleading with us not to go there. The only thing Dems see when they look at citizens are potential slaves. Steve, you're a looter. Get a job. Get a haircut.

A trust, by itself, doesn't do anything to reduce estate tax

Technically no. Properly set up a trust allows the person to avoid estate taxes entirely. The trust being an independent legal entity survives you and your heirs assume control. They do not inherit assets as the trust owns the assets. So any person with access to sufficient legal counsel can avoid estate taxes quite easily. Hence why the Dems don't give a rats a** about eliminating the estate tax. It only effects the great unwashed and they don't really give a damn about them anyway.

Grayson is just another example of the Left's divisive hate speech that's bringing down the level of discourse in the country.

(/mindless_Leftist_argument)

Grayson did apologize. He apologized to the dead people who elected him in the first place.

The push for end-of-life counseling is about the need for end-of-life counseling.

Properly set up a trust allows the person to avoid estate taxes entirely

(this is what I do, fwiw. A dedicated individual w/ a good lawyer can get a good chunk to trusts w/o tax, but it'll never be close to even half of the taxable estate)

It only effects the great unwashed and they don't really give a damn about them anyway.