Beyond crazy.

Is "political indoctrination" of children even possible?

If a child mention's the name of the president in a song once will he/she vote a certain way 10-20 years later?

"Frustrated Conservatives have sealed themselves into a separate news bubble divorced from the Mainstream and have become addicted to false outrage and hate."
~Dr Daniel Feldman

"Is "political indoctrination" of children even possible?"

Sure it is. Look at North Korea. Look at the little Cults of Personality dictatorships in the 20th Century. Look at all the kids taught carefully that their 'leader for life' was just one step away from sheer deification. You'd have to be pretty dense, and ignorant of what's happened elsewhere, to even consider that as a valid question.

But then - you don't really care, do you? It's all about the talking points with you - not whether they've even got any validity or not...

Adrian - you're a tool. And not even a particularly sharp one, at that.

Is "political indoctrination" of children even possible?

Well, according to what many of my liberal friends tell me, the Pledge of Allegiance is indoctrination, so a song praising one particular President certainly seems to qualify.

This is just a variation of the FoxNews/WorldNetDaily Obama-is-literally-hypnotizing-you talking point that's going around.

Now that all the real problems have been solved wizbangblog! is tackling some imaginary ones.

Reality >--FULL-STEAM-AHEAD--> La La Land

"You do know that there is video of the very same thing, children singing in praise of Bush? Use your google and even you can see it."

Please feel free to provide your own link in support of your own claim.

Political indoctrination of children turned out to be quite easy in Cambodia, where Pol Pot made them the shock troops of the Khmer Rouge and the tenders of the killing fields.

Try reading a book---you can't count on the educrat commissars in this country to teach you the murderous history of their ideological fellow travelers, can you?

These kids are going to grow up some day and watch this video and throw up. They will be very pissed at their moonbat drone teachers for turning them into little brown shirts for a 1 term flash in the pan puppet of George Soros.

Adrian - what a stupid question. Of course it is possible to politically indoctrinate children.

The communists use the Young Pioneers. It was virtually required to be a party member.

At the end of WWII the Nazis had the 12th Panzer Division made entirely of Children, the Hitlerjugend. These kids went willingly to their deaths. It was sick.

You wonder why people get so exercised by this? It is because we remember the examples of history and how they have turned out.

I agree with Adrian. Government run schools should always have the children sings praises to the President. It's the proper role of government schooling. (/sarcasm)

I find it interesting that Adrian wonders whether children can be politically indoctrinated and yet other libs complain vocally about religious indoctrination of children in schools or even by their own parents.

Like all things indoctrination to a liberal is only something that the evil conservative does.

I remember being 9 years old when President Reagan drove down broadway in his limo. I was there lined up with half the town and holding a sign that said "Reagan 88".

I had no idea what that sign meant at the time, but I still feel pride in that moment when he waved to me.

That was probably minor indoctrination, but mostly it was just showing up to support the president.

As opposed to singing a song all about a living President who has barely been in office 9months. That is pure crazy on the Lefts part and if some on the right did it for Bush then they were wrong too! So take that argument and shove it.

The FEMA song was about the whole administration and just like the obama songs it was written by some unknown person not pushed by the White House. The Jesus Camps were not pushed or supported by the WH either.

We the Righties know that Barack Obama did not personally write these songs or ask people to have kids sing them. That doesn't mean it isn't indoctrination by lefties. The Left cried out, rightfully so, when jesuscamps had kids talking to cardboard Bush. The Right is now crying out, rightfully so, at the audacity of some lady trying to sell her book having kids sing a song about the President. This video just adds to the flames.

We see the cult of personality forming and it scares the crap out of us. We don't care what god you worship or not but trying to deify this man makes people certified crazies.

heh...yeah, if the football players are allowed to say a prayer before the game, or if a student chooses to draw something religious in an freestyle project it will hopelessly indoctrinate the student body, but singing praises to a president that hasn't done anything is utterly harmless.

why have one set of standards when you can double for the same price?

We see the cult of personality forming and it scares the crap out of us.

I see the cult of personality. I hear Obama saying how he thinks our constitution is seriously flawed. I see him supporting a tin hat dictator trying to subvert his own constitution in Honduras and set himself up as dictator for life. I see Obama supporting similar dictators in Nicaragua and Venezuela. I see Obama sycophants wanting to change our constitution so he can remain in office beyond a second term.

I wonder if he doesn't want to be like his South American friends. I wonder if he won't try.

I mean honestly, if the message stayed away from Obama then I am perfectly fine with the tone of tolerism and education being important in this chant.

I don't care which side of the isle your on; I don't care how "cute" it looks, I don't give a rat's ass about 'the book' your selling; LEAVE THE KIDS OUT OF IT!

I'm still waiting for the link to a video where school children were taught to sing songs praising President GW Bush.....

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I said I wonder. I have watched as Obama had his political opposition removed from the ballot by the court and have seen sealed court records mysteriously released against 2 of his opponents forcing them to withdraw from their races.

The man has no respect for ethics, the law or the constitution. He has shown himself to be a mindless ideologue, who truly believes the Alinski statement that the only unethical use of means is the non-use of means.

I'm not saying that he will. But I wonder that he doesn't want to try. It is entirely within his makeup.

In Still an Unregistered Democrat I see a dolt.

At least most of the kids are properly dressed in RED!

Adrian is a product of that indoctrination he claims does not happen. Why else would he favor something so unAmerican as to be repulsive to those not subject to the same twisted education AB was subjected to? The only way to fix what is wrong with AB would be to let him live in a place that has what he wants. North Korea or Cuba should do. Which will it be AB?

SAHMmy, It happened... well sorta. What the Dems are trying to equate this with was an event at the White House in 2006 that featured 100 school kids from the region hit by Katrina. At the event, the kids sang a song expressing hopes of rebuilding their region and that "Congress, Bush, FEMA, and people across our land" were joining them "hand-in-hand" in the effort. Bush was hardly singled out for "praise" in the number and it doesn't quite smack of the "Dear Leader" treatment... he didn't even get top billing!

The only other time I recall Bush being "praised" by school kids was at a PRIVATE school. I don't think that that was a good thing either, but at least it was where the parents have a direct say in what their kids are exposed to.

SAUD:

In jim m I see a budding paranoid schizophrenic who might just have violent tendencies and is a menace and danger to others. A person who is fast losing touch with reality.

In SAUD, I see what the psychiatric profession calls 'projection'.

I honestly cannot find video of the FEMA song but I admit its out there. Again I say it was not a song dedicated to Fearless Leader Bush and wasnt even sung to him, it was sung to Laura Bush.

I agree with the private school, it is still wrong, but it isn't any different than homeschooling their kids and telling them that Bush was awesome.

Letting kooks do this in public schools is wrong. It doesn't matter if the Obama Administration had nothing directly to do with it. It is a symptom of the illness that is Obamunism.

" I see Obama sycophants wanting to change our constitution so he can remain in office beyond a second term"

He'll be lucky and us unlucky if he is able to finish the first.

Child abuse..

"is it the position of some of you folks that the teachers were doing this at the direction or under the control of Obama or anyone associated with him or working for him?"

I dont care who is pushing this crap. It is not what I would expect the school to be wasting My childs valuable time with..

I demand they spend time learning about history, english, math or learn a trade at that age level or enjoy being outdoors for recess than being scarred and demoralized with this tripe.

One of the President's initiatives from the start has been a call to public service. After the sack of shit liars that inhabited the White House from 2000-2008 it's obvious that we have to rebuild the image of government service.

When you have the Attorney General of the United States, Alberto Gonzales, exposed as a liar there's lots of rebuilding that has to be done.

Rumsfeld was fired after thoroughly botching the Iran war.

Rove was exposed as a political puppeteer hell-bent on politicizing every inch of the Executive branch.

And Dick Cheney was just a plain crazy war-monger.

Lots of rebuilding to do.

And, ladies and gentlemen, the winner of today's Utter Non Sequitur Award . . . [drumroll] . . . give it up for:

Steve Green!

we have to rebuild the image of government service.

Hey! Maybe we can enlist NEA funded organizations to produce propaganda to promote that part of the president's agenda!

Oh wait...

Never mind.

I don't think liberals even know what public service is so I am not bothered at all about Greenies rant. Just noise. ww

#30

Set your drool bucket aside for a second and explain the difference between..

1.) "And Dick Cheney was just a plain crazy war-monger."

And 2.) Obama continuing wars in Iraq and increased troops to Afghanistan? Or are they both just plain crazy warmongers?

"Rumsfeld was fired after thoroughly botching the Iran war."

When did we go to war with Iran? Drool king?

"Study - Watch - Learn" - that's the scary part. Educated people vote Democratic. No wonder this video scares you guys.

"Where is there any evidence that Obama had anything whatsoever to do with it?"

Recall the cry of the Jews in Germany in the 1930's when they were continually repressed by the Brown Shirts. "If only the Fuhrer knew".

Whether Obama "knows" or not, it's the repulsive acts of some Obamabots that's pissing people off. And when they're found out, the usual reply is "the tape wasn't intended for public viewing".

Another interesting video.

"Hear our cry, Obama!"

Nope, no deification here - move along, move along... "the tape wasn't intended for public viewing"...

But can you IMAGINE the ire of the left if such a thing had been done with Bush? Frankly, it's damn creepy with Obama's name - and it would be with Bush's also.

"Study - Watch - Learn" - that's the scary part. Educated people vote Democratic. No wonder this video scares you guys."

Its what you're educated in that is scary Steve. allegiance to an egomaniacal sociopath with no qualifications. And You unwittingly bow in praise at his ineptitude.

Educated people vote Democratic.

Then, I guess we don't have to worry about these kids. They're too busy learning mindless indoctrination chants to get an edjukashun.

One more thing Steve. Look at the shape the economy is in.

If this is what "educated" smart people like you and Obama bring, were way better off uneducated. By "educated" its obvious you mean liberalized.

Educated people vote Democratic.

Based on what evidence? That academics vote Democrat? So you base your statement on the fact that people who get educated in subjects with no real world utility or people who are unable to use their degrees for any productive purpose are the only people who are educated?

There are plenty of people with real educations that actually work for a living outside of academia that possess advanced degrees. These people are not in academia because they can actually do something with their lives. They also deal with real problems and real solutions not make believe crap that university professors waste their time on.

Those educated people don't vote democrat because they don't want the fruits of heir labors confiscated and given to some slug who won't work for it. Do you honestly think that people who work hard for what they have are all uneducated slobs that oppose redistribution out of ignorance?

The ignorant are with Obama and his Utopian, socialist crap. I'll believe Putin when he says that the only reason Obama would want to do what he is doing is that he wants to destroy our country. Otherwise he's just ignorant.

"Based on what evidence? That academics vote Democrat? So you base your statement on the fact that people who get educated in subjects with no real world utility or people who are unable to use their degrees for any productive purpose are the only people who are educated?"

Only an idiot would suggest that teaching our children is an "unproductive purpose".

These are kind of cretins that some on the right are starting to expose as morons. The rant at LGF highlighted this precisely.

America flushed the toilet on the Bush administration but as long as right wing morons continue to rise to the forefront of democratic debate in America today the republican brand will continue to falter. They only add noise to the channel.

"The ignorant are with Obama and his Utopian, socialist crap."

Witness - The truly stupid have no idea just how dumb they are. Jim M is a prime example. an uneducated grunt who doesn't even know what a socialist is and still he throws the term around -- demonstrating his stupidity.

It worked wonders for Sarah Palin and "Joe the Plumber".

Conservatives - You'll end up with the a party full of marginalized, uneducated droolers and white supremacists if you don' start culling the herd.

Oh wait - that's already happened. Too late. Never mind.

Hey, folks...I think this is why Obama wants to increase the days kids spend in school. The more time they spend with leftist propaganda instructor, the less time for friends and family, the less time to spend in real situations. It's like keeping them in a closet and forcing them to bond with their "owners."

Steve Green, "Educated people vote Democratic."

As proof to Mr. Green's hypothesis he offers the following...

Funny how the Generals who advised that we should bail out of Iran years ago were ignored by the right wing media bleeters.

"Rumsfeld was fired after thoroughly botching the Iran war."

The country is in the best of hands with geniuses like Steve Green who repeatedly can't tell the difference between Iran and Iraq.

I was referring to university academics. And by and large our elementary schools stink compared to private schools.

I have an advanced education thank you. I have done medical research and published in multiple journals.

If you do not think that Obama is socialist then it is you who does not understand what socialism is.

Oh, And thanks for tossing out the racism card. That just shows how empty your arguments are.

Steve says that other world leaders are ignorant and uneducated:

Nicolas Sarkozy has called Obama "naive" and that "We live in the real world, not the virtual world. And the real world expects us to take decisions."

Sarkozy has called Obama's Iran policy "Arrogant" and "Utterly Immature"

Vladimir Putin on Obama:
"Any fourth grade history student knows socialism has failed in every country, at every time in history," said Putin. "President Obama and his fellow Democrats are either idiots or deliberately trying to destroy their own economy."

I make my decisions from the evidence I see. I am no uneducated fool.

steve green:

The truly stupid have no idea just how dumb they are.

If you only realized the irony....

Steve Green wrote:

It worked wonders for Sarah Palin and "Joe the Plumber".

See, it's just like I said a couple of days ago. Liberals will always revert to a Sarah Palin reference when they get agitated and start blathering.

#48
Hasn't it become a corrollary of Godwin's Law?

School children change their tune after hearing of Obama's plans to cancel summer vacation.
Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
.
He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
.
Mmm, mmm, mm
Barack Hussein Obama
.
Teacher- Pardon me children. The President has just released a statement saying he wants to cancel your summer vacation.
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He said no more summer vacation
How did he get to run the nation?
.
No, no, no
Barack Insane Obama
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He said we have to stay in school
This man can't be President he's too big a fool
.
No, no, no
Barack Insane Obama

Jim m

I tend to think as you do. It is not a certainty of course, but well within the realm of possibility. Check this out. It started even before he was inaugurated. If he should be able to steal the election in 2012, I think the effort would really accelerate.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj111-5

Ahhh - the brave intellect of steve green. One of the dwindling majority of mouth-breathing retards that brought us all the gift of Obomber.

Poor, simple steve has no clue what conservatives talk about because, well, he's not too bright - dogs are cute that way when they try to follow human conversation. They're darn cute when their little brows furrow, too! I'm sure little stevie's brow is furrowed right now...

'Only an idiot would suggest that teaching our children is an "unproductive purpose".'

Oh, and a minor quibble for you stevie - only a true uneducated stooge (or NY Times douchebag reporter) would quote content that doesn't exist in a source. The major quibble is that you didn't even understand the sentence enough to make a coherent point.

nuckfut.

Just consider that Barry spent a week at the UN. He could have released details of Iran's hidden nuke site (as the Brits and French wanted to do); just like Stevenson did during the Cuban missile crisis in 1963. Barry said NO!

"President Sarkozy in particular pushed hard. He had been "frustrated" for months about Mr. Obama's reluctance to confront Iran...But the Administration told the French that it didn't want to "spoil the image of success" for Mr. Obama's debut at the U.N."

And Barry tells us that "it's NEVER about ME!"

Step one: You're hypocrites, the exact same thing happened with Bush.

Step two: Ok, it wasn't really the same, but LOOK OVER THERE!

Step three: Ok, so that didn't work...ummm...so it's not like they were brainwashing a LOT of kids or anything.

Step four: Stop laughing at me!

I love that the right wing droolers who used to castigate the French are now embracing them.

Does right wing hypocrisy know no bounds?

Oh, sorry - three syllable word. My bad.

Following up from previous posts in this thread and others.

The question still remains unanswered: Why can't Steve Green tell the difference between Iran and Iraq? After all, they are simply a couple of 2 syllable words the denote completely different nations.

Why can't Steve Green tell the difference between them?

Why won't he address his inability to distinguish between the two?

Why is a fellow who is unable to distinguish between these two nations (over several days and several topic threads) lecturing others on levels of education and "related" party affiliations?

Per the thread topic, I find it simply appalling that school children, regardless of how "articulate" and "clean as a whistle" they may be, in any of our "57 states", would be subjected to this type of public-school led worship.

I love that the right wing droolers who used to castigate the French are now embracing them. Does right wing hypocrisy know no bounds?

Sarkozy is to Chirac as Obama is to Bush. A different President moving his country into a different direction.

We'll just have to disagree about the direction.

I love that the right wing droolers who used to castigate the French are now embracing them.

That's because Sarkozy has been aligning his country much more closely with our own interests than Chirac, moron. He's been doing so pretty much ever since his election. I'm utterly shocked that you scary-smart moonbats haven't noticed this.

Good heavens, somebody tell Kevin to bring in some better trolls. The ones we have now are pathetic.

Because the neocons can't seem to use google. Students signing praise to GW.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/flashback-students-sang-b_n_300372.html

I have been rolling with laughter at my fellow conservatives having fun with the "intellectual" Stevie Green. This is the man who wrote how much smarter democrats are then conservatives. But he then said America flushed Bush down the toilet in the last election. Hm! GW Bush didn't run, did he Stevie?

And then he says "do the rightwingers hypocrisy know no bounds, sorry that was a three syllable word". Hm! Four syllable maybe?

Okay Steve, you are the sharpest knife in the drawer. (rolling my eyes) ww

SAUD - "You do know that there is video of the very same thing, children singing in praise of Bush? Use your google and even you can see it."

What, you don't know how to provide a link?

Not surprising considering your demonstrated mental abilities.

But you're right Huff and Puff's website is all over this which should tell you something, they even provide some of the lyrics of a song that was sung to Laura Bush praising the Katrina response:

Our country's stood beside us People have sent us aid. Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade. Congress, Bush and FEMA People across our land Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!

As for the vid in this post, big deal, the report I saw claimed it was during a PTA meeting and parents were present, if they had no problem with it, so be it.

"

Steve,

I know that others have already made the point, but Sarkozy is a conservative and that makes wll the difference.

If for no other reason, I could support him for he fact that Obama ignored his first 6 invitations to visit France and Obama sent a letter, not to him, but to Chirac stating that he looked forward to working with HIM as the president of France.

People despised France because they were all about appeasement under Chirac. Chirac was incredibly corrupt reaping millions in kickbacks on the UN's oil for food program in Iraq.

It's no surprise that given Chirac's corruption, cowardice and sleaze that Obama is attracted to him and aligns himself with Chirac's policies.

Yes, it's disgusting that France has a stronger military posture than we do, but they do and Obama just looks like a fool being scolded by the president of a country known more for defeat and surrender than anything else apart from wine making and sex.

Because the neocons can't seem to use google. Students signing praise to GW.

Dave, have you ever heard the term two wrongs don't make a right? Just because some kids sung about Bush doesn't make it right for kids to sing about Obama.

Admit it, if these kids were singing about Bush instead of Obama everyone on the Left would be wailing about the separation of Church and State and how Bush was creating a theocratic government. If I had known of some kids singing about Bush the same way they are singing about Obama I would be offended by that too.

That is just not appropriate behavior ina Democracy. We are not a monarchy or a theocracy. We shouldn't start treating any President that way, whether he is a Republican or a Democrat.

Eric - I'd add that the Bush song was with regard to something very specific(Katrina) and in the one video I saw Laura Bush was present. So this was not just some abject paean to the person of the president like the songs to Obama are.

I'd agree that we should not be teaching songs of adoration to any sitting president. Not now, not ever.

*Admit it, if these kids were singing about Bush instead of Obama ....*

Eric,
I personally do not care that Reagan addressed school kids along with Bush #1, or that kids sang to Bush #2 about the 'great' response to Katrina. Although, I suppose teaching kids lies (the great response) should raise a few eye brows :p

I think the wingnuts get worked up about anything honestly.

If you really want to get mad, get mad about a war we didn't need and that wasn't paid for. Or, a congress that is bought and paid for. Or maybe a 1.7 trillion tax cut to the rich (GW). Or how bout Medicare part D?

But people are picking this to be mad about? I don't get it.

dave,nice try, but that just don't cut it. Until you find me a video of public school children singing about the glory that is Dubya, or any other President (D) OR (R) alone, you ain't got squat.

marc, no kidding. I want to see a video of public school children singing a hosannah to Bush USING Bush's campaign slogans...

Then there might, just might be something there. And so far there are at the very least two videos of public school children singing to the Dear Leader Obama. I have no doubt there are more.

dave,nice try, but that just don't cut it. Until you find me a video of public school children singing about the glory that is Dubya, or any other President (D) OR (R) alone, you ain't got squat.

Yeah I agree, that Puffington Host story, which was written by a hostile witness about something that happened one time because of an extraordinary catastrophe (Katrina), is pretty weak beer, even for the brain-damaged left. If the moonbats want to play tit-for-tat, they're going to have to come up with something a lot better.

Wow, here's another....that was easy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ettl3zfLWus

#66 - I like that one, but it needs more cowbell!

I'm late to the party, but even more disturbing than the musical praise Obama is the use of traditional songs which revere God and country (in that order). It is symbolic of the lefts' attack on Christianity and disdain for historic America. Tear down religion and replace it with state worship. It is Marxist to the core and evil besides.

More adoration for "Dear Leader"? your Unions at work.

This is just plain creepy.