You can count on the MSM (the same MSM that 63% of Americans distrust) to completely avoid the story. "We don't report it, it didn't happen".

at a minimum, 500,000...and more likely over a million.

the length of the march (1.1 miles) was completely filled for well over an hour to the complete width of Pennsylvania Avenue (8 lanes wide + sidewalks). As this moving wall of people filled in the front of the capital, others were indeed approaching from every other direction.

the people who live and/or work in D.C. KNOW this was huge...and the moronic low-ball "estimates" by some of the media just further discredits them!

Well, we knew the MSM wouldnt report it - but we can be pretty sure that the congress critters know exactly how many people were out there.

Id say that the point has been made.

And they weren't bussed in, or paid for the day, or given spiffy t-shirts... these folks did it on their own dime to show their unhappiness with the fools in Washington. Not to show their support, not to worship at the feet of those elected to office - but to show just how deeply displeased they were.

Most folks don't really care about politics - but if you go by the 1 to 7 dissatisfied retail customer dictum (for every customer who complains, there's 7 who silently took their business elsewhere, or so were the numbers I was told years back...) if there were 1 million people there, there's an additional 7 million who weren't QUITE pissed off enough to come to something like this - and likely a lot more who were irked, peeved, aggravated and annoyed... but again, not enough to travel to Washington.

Is there any politician in the world who would look at an 8 million strong voting block and go ""Hey, what can I do to piss these fools off?" and seriously expect to keep their job? If there is, I'd be pretty cautious. A pound of feathers goes a long way, and a pound of tar carries easily....

My guess is that the MSM estimates crowd size by the mess you leave behind. Those pics are a pretty good indictment of 'the greenest inauguration ever'. Kind of set the tone for the rest of their policies to come.

I think it's time for conservatives to start referring to the old MSM as the "State Directed Media". It's not really run or controlled by the state, but it sure is directed by the state, well, at least when liberals are in control of the government.

Not Mainstream media, its the Dominate Media, but not for long.

I am extremely pissed off that the numbers have been skewed by both sides (mainly the left) and I just want to freakin KNOW!

Just like ACORN videos, eventually the Dominate Media and the Democrats will have written this off with a statement on record, then the Aerial shot will surface showing it equal to or dwarfing the inauguration.

Plus, there were many others who were stopped from even going because the Police said it was too full. And yet no clogged tunnels or streets and no trash left behind. Another huge difference between lefties who proclaim environmentalism and righties who practice it.

http://people-press.org/report/543/

Take a look at the latest Pew report on American attitudes on the media. It's a well reasoned, non-partisan analysis, and it's well worth the time to read it. It's telling that not even Democrats believe the media any more.

Something that I've never understood is why the media would simply discard fully HALF of their customer base. I couldn't afford to stay in business if I did that, and neither can they. Viewership is the basis of advertising rates, for goodness sake. That's where their revenues - and their very survival - come from.

There's something fundamentally stupid going on here. You would think that SOMEBODY would notice, do an enormous mea culpa, and start doing their jobs, without favor, without bias, and without opinion. And survive.

But then again, economics isn't exactly the lefties' strong suit.

You would be misreading me if you think that I celebrate the fact that the major media is committing some sort of group suicide. I don't think that at all. Without a strong, vigilant press, our country is in peril. Without them, our politicians can get away with ANYTHING.

This is not good.

There was a protest this past weekend?

I heard something about a Klan meeting or some other racist gathering, but nothing about a protest.

Tens of thousands. Many, many, many tens of thousands.

The Democrat News Media is losing its grip of the information flow, but is still the main source of information for most of the electorate. Expect the Democrats to help them with taxdollars before the 2010 election season.

Something that I've never understood is why the media would simply discard fully HALF of their customer base.

When you think about it most big media operations are in large cities. Dems are packed into the cities. Media people who by and large cannot see past the city limits sign don't figure that there is much beyond there.

The joke in Chicago has always been that the confederacy starts at I80(go look at a map to see how funny that is). But, while funny, there is something revealing in the joke. It reveals a complete lack of interest in what lies beyond the horizon.

What they fail to realize is that the world is different beyond the city asphalt and that a lot of their circulation used to take place there. To them it really is flyover country. They have no interest in going there or understanding life beyond the city except as a curiosity.

They are even afraid of it. My sister-in-law has always lived in the big city (to the point that she never bothered to learn to drive). She is afraid of the suburbs much less the countryside. She says, "If you're attacked there isn't anyone there!" Well, that's just the point. There isn't anyone there so you don't get attacked. She lives in a neighborhood that has been seeing a crime wave with repeated muggings in broad daylight and figures that she is safer because if and when she is attacked there will be someone to yell to for help.

They don't understand what is outside the city. They don't appreciate it. They are afraid of it and they want it to go away.

Here we go:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-big-was-the-crowd/

Count on PJ media to provide a reasonable accounting of the issue.

It was a fantastic day. We arrived at 10:00 and I stood in front of the White House visitor center for about 45 minutes watching and listening and wondering. And what a wonder it was! There were people from every age group, every walk of life (most appeared in middle class range-DC isn't cheap after all) and utterly serious about getting their message across. I saw a tremendous number of elderly folks who walked the same route as the young. I walked alongside of an elderly fellow who had a cane, took tiny steps, and stumbled badly every third or fourth step. But he was there. And he marched.
Every once in awhile the crowd would begin to chant or roar somewhere in front of us or somewhere behind and the sound would build and build rolling towards us, then you are engulfed in this tremendous wave of enormous sound. I will NEVER forget that, it was exhilarating beyond my ability to convey.
If anyone doubts the numbers were at least a million, then they are in the deepest and strangest denial. How can the pictures lie? The MSM will diminish us at every turn, but THE PICTURES DON'T, CAN'T, and NEVER LIE! Folks started to slowly filter out around one o'clock, increasingly through three o'clock. At four the event was over, and I think close to 2/3 of the crowd was still there. And just for the record: very few people were "dressed in colonial costumes". That is also something the pictures can prove. You see there are some reports that "most were dressed in costumes". Another clear attempt to diminish and dismiss.
I had been a bit worried about attending, but am so happy I went. I will never forget how friendly, helpful and full of good fellowship everyone was. Every person you saw was a friend you knew well for that one day, and for that one day I was blessed with over a million good friends.

FreedomWorks attempt to meter us was to have us text them. That was ridiculous most of us old folds don't text. From where I was less than 1 in 6 were texting. Based on the old cops I talked to they guessed over 1.5 million, the largest crowd any of them had ever seen.

There would have been even more people there but the cops blocked the traffic and wouldn't let any more busses in. The town was shut down. The march left 2 hours early and the mall was packed by noon, way before the official1 pm start time. The cops didn't know what to do because the people filled up Freedom Plaza and Pennsylvanian Ave at 10 am.
It was the most energizing thing I've ever experienced.

I would go to the next rally. Please advise. Let's keep the pressure on and peaceful!

Our state-run media indeed.

The media and some people are saying only a few thousand. Gosh, from all the pictures I've seen sure seems like a hell of lot more than that. It does look like well over a million to me. Maybe not everybody there was in the same mind set of a protest toward Obama and co....but I am sure the majority was.

Bless them all!

Any org that writes there was only "thousands" - like BBC - are corrupt to the hills. They are instructed to write that to downplay the situation. Don't trust any of that garbage. It's all lies and half-truths.

I was there in spirit. I wish I could have gone. Business stuff.

On the other hand, the lefty blogs are probably right, based on the empirical evidence. They left no trash, had no confrontations with the police, no cars were burned, no piles of professionally printed signs left in piles on the grass, no drug arrests or fights, no evidence of spray painting, no rocks were thrown, no stores looted, nobody was hanged in effigy, no buildings burned, no explosions or Molotov coctails.

I mean, really. How can you PROVE they were there? How can you prove those pictures didn't come from the Million Mom March? You can doctor photos, you know.

We need FACTS! And before Adrian demands them.

So are you guys saying that when there is a large protest rally in Washigton D.C. the politicians should take the protester concerns seriously? And even act on those concerns? Where have you been living for the past 30 years?

I was amazed at the news report today that Democrats could lose BIG in 2010.

How can that happen? We are a MINORITY FRINGE!
That party on Saturday, only 50K showed up!
Everyone who opposes Obama is a RACIST RED NECK!
Those conservatives are ALL idiots!
The East Coast Elite know what's good for us!
Those 63% who don't trust the MSM are kooks!

If all of the above is true, why are the Democrats worried about 2010? After all, Republicans aren't on ACORN's "most favored" list.

Too many to count for Me this time..

Where were the politicians? Hiding in a bomb shelter I bet.

At least the colored One had the wherewithall to jump on Airforce one and scram outta Dodge.

I'm gonna go way out on a limb by saying that everything that happened at the march happened and the number of people there was the number of people there. I may be wrong.

I mean, when five of us show up to protest Bush the Babboon, that's news!

914 GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! The Lefties will jump on any misinformation no matter if it was unintentional!!!!!!

It was Marine One not Airforce One you racist!

/sarcasm

So are you guys saying that when there is a large protest rally in Washigton D.C. the politicians should take the protester concerns seriously? And even act on those concerns? Where have you been living for the past 30 years?

What it means is that the Tea Party movement and the concern over healthcare reform are real grassroots movements. But go ahead, liberal, make my day and ignore us. The next time you hear from many of us will be on election day.

#24

Why did you have to go and steal my handle? The pretence of posters on this site wanting to have a civil discourse with people that do not agree with them are, I believe, false.

My point from #20 was that protesters get ignored by politicians no matter who they are. It is all about the money.

Who cares how many people attended? The problem for angry conservatives is that they were all white people. Well, white people won't be the dominant race or culture in America for much longer. By 2042, they will be a minority, and their percentage of the population will continue to decline throughout the century and beyond. The numbers and power of white people are eroding, not only in the United States but around the world. As the color and culture of our great nation changes, the crazed conservatives - who comprise a slice of the white population but not of the population of people of color - will find themselves steadily marginalized. http://tiny.cc/whitefolks

GarandFan,

The Dems are counting on us not being able to get past their New Black Panther polling place thugs. They figure a couple of black punks who list their hobbies as beating up cracka's will keep us away.

Plus maybe Obama plans to take a page from his buddy Zelaya's book and he already has the raw vote totals and certified results on a computer somewhere at DNC headquarters.

Mac Lorry,

Anyone who waits until election day to start campaigning will lose. I expect to "hear from you", in the plural, everyday no matter what. Political junkies can never get enough controversy and always have 2 cents to spare.

#25 JustRuss

Ha ha ha ... Sorry.. What the hell do I know? Im just a backwoods country hick racist white supremacist conservative that didnt fall for the multi colored mythological orgasmic screeds of the One.

"They figure a couple of black punks who list their hobbies as beating up cracka's will keep us away."

That would be the myths prayer team.

"Plus maybe Obama plans to take a page from his buddy Zelaya's book and he already has the raw vote totals and certified results on a computer somewhere at DNC headquarters."

Yes he does. Officially certified,ratified, justified and apartheid just for the One.

Wonder how anyone thinks this will effect the 62 some odd million voters FOR OBAMA. It's nothing but laughable. What a shameful disgrace. A bunch of racist, hypocritical, loud mouth, following dittoheads.

MominCuba,

The One has lost about 30% of his approval in the polls. Even if he does not arrest his slide (it will continue), 30% of 62 million is about 20 million. So good luck trying to win in 2012 with 42 million left.

Mominunamerica

"Wonder how anyone thinks this will effect the 62 some odd million voters FOR OBAMA. It's nothing but laughable. What a shameful disgrace. A bunch of racist, hypocritical, loud mouth, following dittoheads."

First off. Obama has already lost 12.56 million of the voters He lied to last election.

2nd. There isnt going to be any eggcorns shoring up the dead vote next time.

3rdly. Its disgraceful to protest the disgrace that has rudely disgraced the Whitehouse?

4th. What hypocrisy?

5th. Grow up.

4th. What hypocrisy?

I figured it out. The hypocrisy is that all us conservatives who were all for a Socialist marxist agenda when Boosh was in office are suddenly against a marxist socialist agenda now that the myth has attained (hell), even surpassed Carter status on the misery index.

Got ya now.

Why did you have to go and steal my handle?

Steal? There is no property in your Workers' Paradise!

Mom- there are an awful lot of people who voted for Obama because he seemed cool and they felt that they were cool because they were voting for a black man. Fact of the matter is that people are waking up to deal with he issues now and they are seeing that he is NOT what they want.

He doesn't have answers. People are seeing that his attitude is very partisan and that he is very far left of center.

That is why his negatives are so high. Not racism and certainly not ignorance.

He's lost my elderly parents, who have never missed an election. My father hasn't voted Republican since Nixon and will almost certainly vote GOP next time around. My mother hasn't voted Republican since Eisenhower and she will gladly vote for a primary opponent and might vote GOP if he is on the ballot.

"The problem for angry conservatives is that they were all white people."

ALL white people, huh? You keep telling yourself that jgogek. Drink some more kool aid while you're at it.

http://www.bookerrising.net/2009/09/tea-party-protest-in-washington-dcand.html

Oh shit!! I said I was going to try to be nice to Trolls today did'nt I..

Oh well. that was on another thread.. Guess I am a hypocrite.

As the color and culture of our great nation changes, the crazed conservatives - who comprise a slice of the white population but not of the population of people of color...

Only a fool thinks a person's politics are determined by their race. As people-of-color move more and more into the middle class they become more and more conservative. Why, because financial success and individual freedom requires a stable legal, political, social, and economic environment and only adherence to time proven principles can produce such environments. If people-of-color fail to honor and uphold time proven principles then a prosperous and free America will disappear from the face of the earth.

WorldCitizen,

Anyone who waits until election day to start campaigning will lose.

And anyone who ignores such a rapidly building grassroots movement has already lost. Tea Party protesters might not know who they will vote for in 2010 and 2012, but they know they will vote against those who ignore them.

I expect to "hear from you", in the plural, everyday no matter what. Political junkies can never get enough controversy and always have 2 cents to spare.

Like other liberals, you only hear from me because you post your 2 cents in my neighborhood. Go back to your own neighborhood and you won't hear from me until the 2010 election.

#37

I don't quite get your logic. Are you living in my Workers' Paradise?

Mac Lorry,

Yawn, another go away, leave me and my buddies alone post.

PS spoofing an established boardname, even if they were a troll, is not acceptable behavior. Please don't do it on either side of the argument, all you do is confuse the issue and make an ass out of yourself.

Russ

#37

"I don't quite get your logic. Are you living in my Workers' Paradise"

? So Im not the only one around here that talks to himself. Thanks for that.

Since I had the audacity of dope to post yet again.. Let Me offer the community organgrinder a bit of advice.

If at first You dont succeed.. Lie lie again.

Yawn, another go away, leave me and my buddies alone post.

You're the one who complained about hearing from the likes of Tea Party protester. I simply employed a variation of the old saying that if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I'll be happy to engage you in debate when you post something of substance.

Your numbers and your links have been debunked, Michael Laprarie.

You can admit you were taken in by Thomas Lifson and "Dan Bana", or you can continue playing the fool.

60,000 - 70,000, tops. Less than a Redskins game. No, the town wasn't close to being shut down. Hey, don't hurry back.
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Mominunamerica - "Wonder how anyone thinks this will effect the 62 some odd million voters FOR OBAMA. It's nothing but laughable. What a shameful disgrace. A bunch of racist, hypocritical, loud mouth, following dittoheads."

It's not the so-called ditto heads you or obama needs to be concerned with.

It's the independent voter, you know those that voted for him in very large numbers, and are bailing on him to the tune of a 17 point drop.

It's a particular problem for Obama because post-honeymoon perceptions are hardening in ways that are counter to his core campaign promise to bridge partisan divides.

Obama introduced himself to the American people by saying, "There are no red states; there are no blue states; there is only the United States of America."

Many now know that was pure unadulterated bullshit.

Dream on liberals. The facade has fallen and I will admit, a lot sooner then I thought. The independents have awakened to what conservatives have known for some time. Obama is an inexperienced empty suit. Palin has more experience. It is sadly showing. Your desperation to convince people Obama is handling things is pitiful. ww

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©,

Sorry, but it's your silly "60,000 - 70,000 tops" that's been debunked. See the link in Post #13 if you're not afraid of the truth.

"There are no red states; there are no blue states; there is only the United States of America."

Yeah, all 57 of them. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Al Franken may be a tool, but at least he knows something about this country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-FYyuvrRk

There were approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department. More lies from the right wing extremists.

Nice pictures of the crowd too. I even saw plenty of Confederate flags.

Where were these people when Bush racked up nearly 5 trillion in debt? How many people there actually realize their taxes are actually lower (if they make less than 250,000 a year) under Obama vs. Bush?

Looks like a pack of traitors and fools.

From the AP last January:

The National Park Service says it will rely on a media report that says 1.8 million people attended President Barack Obama's inauguration.

Park service spokesman David Barna said the agency did not conduct its own count. Instead, it will use a Washington Post account that said 1.8 million people gathered on the U.S. Capitol grounds, National Mall and parade route, he said.

"It is a record," Barna said. "We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever."

David Barna, Dan Bana. Obama inaugeration, a pack of teabaggers.

So easy to get these things confuzzled, eh Mac?

This is why it would be better to admit that American Thinker lied to everybody than to double down on the stupid.

Doubling down on the stupid is how you folks voted for Cheney/puppet two times, isn't it?

P.S. Thanks for epic FAIL link in comment 13.
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"Dream on liberals. The facade has fallen and I will admit, a lot sooner then I thought."

Isnt it a heartwrenching turn of events WW. Fate can be so fickle and yes, even harsh to the most self centered among us.

ifthethunderdontgetya - Psssst... debunking anything usually requires a linked article.

Not a drive-by puff of hot air.

We'll all wait for your "debunking" of the estimate from D.C. Metro police [1.2 million] or the "debunking" of the The U.S. Department of Parks & Recreation whose estimate was 1.5 million.

We'll wait but, if you don't mind we will also maintain our normal rate of respiration while waiting.

I would have placed a ? after WW but I am trying not to be too cynical on the crayola colored One.

DEBUNKED? Ummmm... do the math.

The DISTANCE between the Capitol steps and the Washington Monument is 1.2 miles. That's 6336 feet. That means that. at best, the entire area between the monument and the Capital is roughly 3.8 million square feet. That includes, streets, trees, etc. 2 MILLION? Are you claiming that everyone was standing shoulder to shoulder, each on less than 2 square feet? If you just remove the road space and it's technically impossible to put 2 million people in that area.

What the F is that trailing after ifthethunderdontgetya's moniker?

New world order tatoos?

true patriot -

Read the link I posted back at #13. There is no substantiation for your 60-70K number. NONE.

There are very good reasons to believe many more. All you have to do is actually look at the pictures and look at what the Park Service says to know that the 60-70 number is BS.

So even if there were that many so what? Do you hold your convictions so loosely that seeing the opposition come out in numbers is a problem?

McCain got 59.72 million votes. Obama's popularity has DECLINED since the election. Do you really mean to tell us that with the dramatic decline in popularity that there is no real opposition to Obama? That there aren't over a million people who would turn out for this?

37% of Likely Voters "Strongly Disapprove" of his performance. Take that with the vote totals from the last election and that is 47.36 million people that will almost certainly vote against him. He has far less support in this country than you think. That's more people than EVER voted for Bill Clinton in a single election.

Your complaints are simply not believable and the substantial proof that there were a lot of people in DC last weekend for the protest is believable.

Marc, the last time I tried to post a link, my post went into moderation.

But you are being extremely silly right now.

You do know how to use google, don't you?

Try entering "david barna dan bana" into the search engine of your choice.

Hate me now, but thank me later.
/Hans & Franz
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Thunder - I have no problem posting links. You're just making a cop out.

The DISTANCE between the Capitol steps and the "Washington Monument is 1.2 miles. That's 6336 feet. That means that. at best, the entire area between the monument and the Capital is roughly 3.8 million square feet. That includes, streets, trees, etc. 2 MILLION? Are you claiming that everyone was standing shoulder to shoulder, each on less than 2 square feet? If you just remove the road space and it's technically impossible to put 2 million people in that area."

Why would We remove the road space? Is it a shovel ready project?

I dont see any trees or fire hydrants, dogs pissin, Hindenburgs a crashing, 40# hailstones falling or Obama standing on the front lawn.

What the fuck are You talking about? Using the Obama wiz 101 economy math again?

True Patriot:
"I even saw plenty of Confederate flags."

Yeah,in your dreams. Care to post pics. Yesterday one of your pals managed to dig up ONE.

How many people there actually realize their taxes are actually lower (if they make less than 250,000 a year) under Obama vs. Bush?

OH? And just WHEN did this TAX CUT get passed?
Link please?

It's easy to pass gas. It's harder to back up assertions.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©,

The National Park Service says it will rely on a media report that says 1.8 million people attended President Barack Obama's inauguration.

Unfortuanlty for you there's a satilite photo of people attended President Barack Obama's inauguration. Given that photo that number was revised down form 1.8 million to 850,000.

The link in post #13 works fine; you're just too big a coward to look at it. If you did you would find input from all sources results in a minimum count of 850,000, more than ten times your silly 60,000 to 70,000 tops comment and equal to the number who attended Obama's inauguration. But go ahead and ignore the truth, that's what liberals are good at.

"The National Park Service says it will rely on a media report that says 1.8 million people attended President Barack Obama's inauguration."

And it wasn't like the media wasn't in the tank for THE CHOSEN ONE since day one. Just ask Chrissy Matthews, he still walks with a tingle in his leg.

The libs don't believe there were that many people there because they didn't leave the place a cesspool afterward just like the libs do at every mass gathering they go to.

I'm glad you guys really mean all hat crap you say about taking care of the environment.
http://factsbuffet.com/facts/trash-left-at-the-obama-inauguration

Slobs.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©:

Any comment on the condition of the mall after Barry's worshipers left vs the Tea Party. Or were those pictures photoshopped as well.

How much kool aid do you drink each day. A quart or a gallon?

"And it wasn't like the media wasn't in the tank for THE CHOSEN ONE since day one. Just ask Chrissy Matthews, he still walks with a tingle in his leg."

And a small lump in his trousers.

ifthetunderdontgetyathetaxmanwill

I liked you better as hyperbolist.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©:

Any comment on the condition of the mall after Barry's worshipers left vs the Tea Party. Or were those pictures photoshopped as well.

How much kool aid do you drink each day. A quart or a gallon?

68. Posted by GarandFan |
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Why sure I have a Mall condition comment, GarandFan.

It's about the difference I would expect from the size of the crowds that attended the Obama inauguration and the teabagging on 9/12.

Now would any of you fine patriots care to comment about this?
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ifthethunderdontgetya - "Marc, the last time I tried to post a link, my post went into moderation."

As the saying goes - shit happens. What prevents you from trying again? There's nothing between you and the truth but a modem.

ifthethunderdontgetya - "But you are being extremely silly right now."

Thanks glad you noticed, fact is it's my daughters birthday and I'm wearing a rented clown suit.

ifthethunderdontgetya - "You do know how to use google, don't you? Try entering "david barna dan bana" into the search engine of your choice.

No thanks, I see all the loonbats ranging from the DKos Kiddies to the Huff n Puff Post is doing the same thing.

Sorry guy, I watch the company I keep and those idiots are not on my list.

As already indicated you obviously failed to actually read what was linked to as it makes your 60k-70k figure look like a desperate scramble to lap at the ball sack of both the MSM and the Anointed One.

True patriot,

Where were these people when Bush racked up nearly 5 trillion in debt?

In case you don't remember we were attacked by a foreign enemy on 9/11 and much of the deficit spending went to fight that war. Then there was Katrina and another 750 billon went to TARP at a time Democrats were in full control of congress. Most of the deficit under Bush was the result of emergency spending.

Obama comes along and we get the biggest spending bill in history and about only half of that was needed. Democrats then pass a pork filled financial bill using the silly logic that if deficit spending was OK in the past then even more deficit spending is OK now. The Tea Party protesters are saying no it's not and want to get the attention of lawmakers before they pass more big spending bills.

How many people there actually realize their taxes are actually lower (if they make less than 250,000 a year) under Obama vs. Bush?

Many of the protesters know that lowering taxes on workers actually hurts them if taxes are then raise on their employers. Who works for a poor man?

Looks like a pack of traitors and fools.

We can only hope some Democrat politician expresses that stupid comment on an open mic.

ifthethunderdontgetya - "Now would any of you fine patriots care to comment about this?"

And that proves your 60k-70k assertion how?

Congrats, you've successfully avoided the question several times now.

"...a desperate scramble to lap at the ball sack of both the MSM and the Anointed One."

Marc, you and 914 have got to get me into that writing class!

Ha ha ha ha ha allah ah ha ha ha ha ha

Thunder doesn't like facts. They are inconvenient to the narrative.

Just like he "knows" that Bush was in on 9/11, because the buildings had to be imploded because fire doesn't melt steel etc...

ifthethunderdontgetya:

"It's about the difference I would expect from the size of the crowds that attended the Obama inauguration and the teabagging on 9/12."

TRANSLATION: Man, the most 'green' inauguration ever really trashed the place. The 9/12 party left hardly any trash. Better ignore it and post a link to a google summary page and confuse everyone. I'll just ignore all those pics and stay with a 50K crowd estimate like the DK and DNC guys told me to.

More kool aid?

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©,

Now would any of you fine patriots care to comment about this?

We are not relying on figures from your "dan bana david barna" search. Charlie Martin has a fact based estimate at the link in post #13. You know, the link you're afraid to use.

GrandFan - "Marc, you and 914 have got to get me into that writing class!"

Self taught I'm afraid. But I did get some assistance from purchasing Ronco [by Ron Popeil] Vega-language-matic.

ifthetrootherdontgetya

Please explain how you plan to debunk the satellite photo estimate of the inauguration?

I can't wait.

My 60-70k estimate comes from the D.C. Fire Department, via ABC.

You folks have asserted over and over that a certain "Dan Bana" of the National Parks Service had a higher estimate.

Sorry, but I gave you a chance to salvage some credibility.

You wanted none of that. I can't say I'm surprised.

P.S. Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally Saturday that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.

Punked by by your own corporate puppetmaster. Impressive, wingnuts!

P.P.S.
Thank you for commenting.

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I can't post the ABC link here. But you can click my name and find it at my place.

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jim m "I can't wait."

Not sure how to break this to ya but...,

I feel relatively certain you'll be waiting for some time.

[Does never qualify as "some time?"]

ifthetrootherdontgetya

If you can't be bothered to actually address our comments and have to invent your own then fine. The link at #13 does not even mention the source you foam at the mouth about.

BS you can't post the link here. How do you expect us to believe you when you can't perform a basic browser task that my 8 year old can do?

Please explain how you plan to debunk the satellite photo estimate of the inauguration?
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I'm not really interested in the estimate of the inauguration. What fascinates me is your insistence on an estimate of a crowd in D.C. on Saturday that is off by a factor greater than 10.

It's as if you were insisting that Iraq had WMD even as G.W. Bush was clowning the press by pretending to look for them under his desk.

Wait, you all did insist that even then, didn't you.
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Marc -

I'll probably be waiting at least as long as it takes for him to get his computer skills up to 3rd grade level.

ifthetrootherdontgetya - "You folks have asserted over and over that a certain "Dan Bana" of the National Parks Service had a higher estimate."

Whose "you folks?" You're the one that drug that into the discussion here.

For the record I tend to believe a figure around one half million or a bit less.

Anyone who views the images and comes up with a figure of 70k or less is bucking for a staring role in the next Mr. Magoo remake.

ifthetrootherdontgetya

You can't post a link. You can't click on a link.

I have provided all the answers you need at that link. Your inability to go and address the evidence is sad.

#81

The satellite ( boosh thought drone), was left in place and in an eliptical orbit by Boosh just in case He ever wanted to show His racist white guy like tendency to scream at the top of His lungs..

"Yes I hate blacks and I want them all dead!!

But Cheney found a way to forgive and forgot to remind Him that it wasnt a nuclear tipped drone!! ( y'know, drunk old folks and their Heston like hunting proclivities.. An awful lot they be! ), Interrupting His rigid darkside schedule.

So the moral of the story is.. If Your ever the miserable sort? Like liberals. Take some pleasure in life and dont try to please all of the People all of the time..But please please above all else... Dont lie! "

ifthetrootherdontgetya

I actually went to the ABC site and what they do is quote the DC Fire Dept as to how many people were on Pennsylvania Ave. They do not speak to the issue of how many people were on the MALL. In fact it is interesting to see how scrupulously they say that the number they give is how many people "Marched" down the Ave.

The total crowd was what was on the Mall you jackass. That is shown with photographic evidence and with Park Service information. Additionally, the ABC story does not say how the Fire Dept number was arrived at but if you go to the link I posted there is reasonable detail on how the other numbers were arrived at.

ABC News Was Misquoted on Crowd Size

Conservative activists, who organized a march on the U.S. Capitol today in protest of the Obama administration's health care agenda and government spending, erroneously attributed reports on the size of the crowds to ABC News.

Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally Saturday that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.

At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands."
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That's what is at the link, kiddies. I've tried posting it, I even tried tinyurl to make a shorter link.

If you want to know why it's getting suppressed, ask Michael Laprarie. Maybe he can't handle the truth.

Now as for your time-lapse photography and such as at comment 13?

Please kids, I'm leaving that to people with credibility. The D.C. Fire Department, not Charlie Martin.

P.S. Marc, I dragged what into the discussion?

Did you read the post, or forget it already? (You know, that thing up at the top that says this: Thomas Lifson quoted Dan Bana, a spokesman for the National Parks Service, as saying that the 9/12 protest was "a record ... We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.")
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"The moral of the story" ??

Sorry, I was watching Rocky and Bullwinkle again.

ifthetrootherdontgetya

Since you can't click on a link here is the discussion of the lower limit on croud size:

Here we have other comparable data, in the various pictures from Pennsylvania Avenue. There is a time lapse from the traffic camera at 14th Street, roughly where E would cross 14th NW if only E actually crossed 14th. It's overlooking the Freedom Park, and looking down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol. The White House is basically behind us from this point of view.

What that shows us is Pennsylvania Avenue full of people walking past for at least three hours. (This matches some other independent accounts, like this at the New York Times.) So more back of the envelope: it's 1.1 miles from Freedom Park to the Capitol, and Pennsylvania is six lanes plus a middle turn lane and some sidewalks -- call it 100 feet wide. That's about 600,000 square feet, so if it were a crowd standing still, that is at least 100,000 people. We've got a picture of that, so that's got to be a lower bound.

Suck it up. Your ABC figures are pure BS. There is much more at the link you can't click.

You're full of it. You know it. And now everyone else does too.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055

Was it really that hard?

The total crowd was what was on the Mall you jackass.

Keep digging, Jim M. You'll get there someday!
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ifthetrootherdontgetya

Holy Sh*t are you incompetent! You don't like the info from Charlie Martin? Too freaking bad. It's better than the ABC link that I posted which you are too feeble to do so yourself. My comments re the ABC story stand. Charlie Martin's analysis also stands since you are too afraid to address it.

He also quotes the Park Service as to how many people can fill sections of the Mall. There is photographic evidence of the crowd filling those sections.

The Park Service says that the lower end of the Mall holds 250,000 and there were more people than that.

"The Park Service method, filling just the Capitol end of the Mall, is 250,000, but we have many reports of much overflow, and we also can figure that they wouldn't have marched past for three full hours if there were only that many."

Loser.

"You'll get there someday!"

What to the bottom of the pile of sh*t you're pushing?

Yeah that's about right.

According to the Census Bureau (which is now under the White House), there were 12 people at the D.C. protest Saturday.

jim m.....let it go. There comes a point where you gain nothing by correcting a mindless piece of shit like ifthethunderdontgetya.

On a bright note, Hannah Giles says that ANOTHER ACORN TAPE will be released tomorrow.

Ok ifthelogicdontgetthru..

The crowd was of mythological proportions..So was the event dolt..

Like the great flood, the Sumatra eathquake, Krakatoa, The big bang, the Jug eared dunce and so on..

Do You want to invoke the Patriot act to find out who was there and when?

The actual number really isn't that important.

But Obama should remind himself that the next time all those folks come the DC, it's quite possible that they will all have pitch-forks .. and they won't be looking for any Wall Street types.

ifthethuderdontgetya Your not pissing on a live wire!

"Hannah Giles says that ANOTHER ACORN TAPE will be released tomorrow."

Yeah, but the endings are getting kind of predictable.

In an interview today, O'Keefe was asked the following: "ACORN says that you and Hannah were thrown out of several offices."

O'Keefe responded "We were NEVER thrown out of any ACORN office."

So how MANY tapes are there?

Holder? Holder? Anyone seen Attorney General Holder? Is he vacationing in Cuba or Venezuela?

Holder is no doubt busy working on federal wire tap charges against O'Keefe and friends.

Mac Lorry,

"You're the one who complained about hearing from the likes of Tea Party protester. I simply employed a variation of the old saying that if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I'll be happy to engage you in debate when you post something of substance."

I did not complain about anything. The point of my first post was to point out that there have been many protest marches on Washington with nothing of real substance happening as a result. Why would you expect that this protest would be any different? Was it simply that you agree with the sentiments of this one and so it must be impossible for politicians to ignore?

It takes a long concerted effort to get politicians to listen to anyone. Unless, of course, you can contribute to their campaign fund.

I must confess that I really underestimated the whole Glenn Beck, I mean Dick Amey Lobbiest. err 9/12 March.

There were 38 million there.

TP

Thanks for using my 50/60K number! Keep it up (no one will really look at the pictures).

WorldCitizen,

I did not complain about anything. The point of my first post was to point out that there have been many protest marches on Washington with nothing of real substance happening as a result. Why would you expect that this protest would be any different? Was it simply that you agree with the sentiments of this one and so it must be impossible for politicians to ignore?

And as I stated I hope Democrats ignore the protest. That way they'll be sure to hear from us again on election day.

It takes a long concerted effort to get politicians to listen to anyone. Unless, of course, you can contribute to their campaign fund.

It will only take until election day 2010. Then Democrats will wake up, but it will be too late, the liberal big spending dream will be over. 2010 and 2012 will be to Democrats what 2006 and 2008 were to Republicans. The only thing that could change that is if they actually start paying attention to those who demand fiscal responsibility (Independents, Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians alike). But watch, the idiots will try and pass their carbon cap and tax scheme right after they pass big government healthcare. Then they'll move on to pass even more economy crippling tax increase.

I knew before the march on 9/12 that the left would minimize the size and impact. The problem with that logic is they are preaching to the choir. The only people that believe liberals now are liberals. Independents have already moved away from their camp. They couldn't take the lies and juvenile name calling.

My advice to the left: Keep it up. ww

The organizers should have never allowed any sitting congressman other than Ron Paul talk to the crowd. The so-called conservative CONgresspeople just want to redirect the movement to being controlled by one of their own. They are all in this Constitution ignoring group. The FIAT Paper money (sic) system controlled by the Banksters is the source of their power to foster unlimited government on us and they are doing a fine job of it. Beware of sitting poli-tic-ians trying to "lead" the movement.

"Beware of sitting poli-tic-ians trying to "lead" the movement."

Agreed! Also beware of community organizers.

Rick,

I doubt there's a significant number of Tea Party protesters who are libertarian and someone like Ron Paul speaking to the crowd would chase most away. The Tea Party protesters are fiscal conservatives, not nut cases.

Actually, there were a lot of libertarians there. Mostly, there were small government conservatives of all stripes, including libertarians but not so limited. I suspect Ron Paul, despite his big-L libertarianism, would have gotten a decent welcome, as have some (few) other politicians. Mostly, though, the politicians of both parties are the targets: we want them all out.

As to the number of people there, here is some evidence. The march lasted three hours and was about 1.1 miles long. The end of the march was apparently not peak attendance, and people came to the protest by other means than marching down Pennsylvania, and kept coming throughout the day. (Heck, we just happened to come out of the metro at the Reagan Building; we didn't even know where it was slated to be, exactly.) In any case, I've seen estimates of as few as 50000, which are complete crap. I've seen estimates of a half million, based on 8 people marching past a point each second for the three hours of the march. These are crap, too, as I'll demonstrate:

That picture was taken from the steps of the old post office, where we stopped to take kids to the bathroom, about 11:15 or so. (Grab the picture, and you can get the exact time and location from the tags.) It is pretty clear that the people were more dense than 8 across the street, which means that half a million is a very lowball estimate. My guess is certainly more than a million. A million and a half is possible. Two million seems outlandishly high (though like I said, we left before the peak.)

And here's the deal: who cares? The point is not the number of people that showed up, but that a whole metric assload of people who have never protested before this year showed up to tell the government to leave us the heck alone. And by the government, I do not mean just the Democrats. While there were certainly some Republican partisans there, there were as many "throw them all out" signs and "Bush started it" signs as there were anti-Obama, anti-Pelosi and anti-Reid signs. No matter what the precise number was, it's a message that was put loudly and clearly.

Hmmm... seems the picture was stripped. Try this:

912_march

Washington DC Teabagger Party
consensus says: 75,000 attendees, tops.
eh, 75,000 or 2,000,000, what's the difference?

New slogan: "Trrruuussst us, yeah, that's the ticket!

(with judgment like that, I'd be afraid of the government too)

Marchers came to DC from all across the country, from Sun City to Leisure World.

See:
notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/march-of-the-disgruntled-in-dc/

http://factcheck.org/2009/09/how-many-protesters1/

Above website is from yesterday and gives a good explanation for the lower estimate.

10,000 people with well-reasoned arguments backed up by facts loom larger than 1,000,000 playing jingo bingo.

you right wing liers make me sick the uneducated moron rascists protesting against health care that will help them shows how easilly te mob can be used by vested interests.
one woman was shouting give us back our freedoms.
she could not explain what freedoms she had lost, lmao

I was there on 9-12 and took this video. It shows that the Mall was empty of protesters beyond 3rd Street. I was there from Noon to 4 PM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQ8kmxrujs

I was also at the Inauguration on 1-20. Here are 2 photos my wife took from the same spot on each day:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emjem1963/3937478887/

I have done my own study base on a devised stationary methodology and calculation which you can find here.

It's backed by visual evidence (pictures and clips) all available in the same entry, plus determining the boundaries of the rally and calculation of the final tally derived from the density of the crowd at each given block. My calculus puts the figures around 130k up to 160k.

DC Fire Department Report" Quote Regarding September 12 Event Misrepresents Agency Policy

http://newsroom.dc.gov/show.aspx/agency/fems/section/2/release/18165

The web page of the D.C. Fire Department came out two days later (9-14) and said the 60,000 to 75,000 number was from a tweet in the morning (I believe before the march began) of the number of people massing in Lafayette Park (Not Freedom Park which was Full!) The tweet estimated 60 to 75K or so to that area only! ABC, which used this number and all Liberal media sources all around the world have picked up to marganilize the march, never corrected their numbers. We are being pummeled by the press as not truthful and liberal bloggers are saying we are lying and doctoring the photos in Photo Shop to make the crowd look bigger! They use ABC as their source for their claims.

ABC knew what this was about, or should have confirmed the tweet - which they DID not do because the Fire Department explicitly states they gave out NO crowd estimates to ANYONE!