We'll never know what Mary Jo would have thought. Teddy denied us that opportunity.

However, we do know what Teddy thought of Mary Jo: Her death was his favorite topic for jokes.

If that is the pinnacle of greatness for liberalism it won't be difficult to eclipse.

Mental illness? Without a doubt.

Now they will all be lining up for a chance to kill someone so they can attain greatness and longevity in the democratic party. And they worry about people clinging to their guns.

Proof positive liberalism is a mental disorder.

Still, ignorance doesn't preclude a right to wonder. ... Who knows -- maybe she'd feel it was worth it.

Yeah, but ignorance AND GOOD TASTE should have stopped you. But then, I probably missed the "nuance".

On a bright note, George Stenopolis thinks Joe III should either be given or run for Saint Teddy's senate seat in order to keep the dynasty going. Only one problem, Joe III only paralyzed a woman while driving. Does that mean the family is lowering the qualifications bar?

Still, ignorance doesn't preclude a right to wonder. So it doesn't automatically make someone (aka, me) a Limbaugh-loving, aerial-wolf-hunting NRA troll for asking what Mary Jo Kopechne would have had to say about Ted's death...

Before asking that question ask what Mary Jo Kopechne would have had to say about Ted's cowardice act of leaving her to die and not even calling for help as soon as he could have. The fact that Ted's callus and cowardice act didn't end his political career is a lasting indictment against the idea of elitist entitlement that brought us the Kennedy clan.

Joe III apparently needs more lessons from uncle pickled... OOPS! Scratch that. Too late.

On a brighter note, maybe some of Barney Franks teen victims are so enamored of his prowess they may choose to run for his SEAT.. Pun intended.

Tim McVeigh had an important political message he wanted to get out - maybe the dead babies and children from the building he blew up feel it was worth it.

Seriously though, both sides of the spectrum have loonies, but many of the Left Loonies are actually in 'important' or 'respectable' positions and then actually spout off their idiocy in public. And the media rarely or gently calls them on this garbage.

The utter arrogance of such a statement, the complete lack of class, the thoughtfulness that her family might hear such remarks - it takes my breath away.

Words fail to express my utter contempt for these people who would rather make up scenarios to fit their preconceived ideas than to tell the truth. He, in effect, murdered this young woman. To use her death in such a way is beyond belief.

Given an award in the afterlife Mary Jo is asked to give a speech. "And lastly, I would like to thank the people that stepped on me on their way to greatness."

As if.

Then again, the left doesn't believe in the individual. Only in the collective, so by their mindset it would be worth it to any of them for someone to die for "the greater good", that is until it is them that is asked to step up.

Only some who doesn't know that life is precious could make a statement like that.

I let my subscription to Discover expire years and years ago. I found it got far too political for me (lots of global warming and other garbage) plus I found it unforgivable that the majority of the ads were for pseudo-scientific quakery.

Stopthepresses finds old Kennedy family friend who attempts to send America a coded message, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/Ted

The lion of the Senate was lying, cheating, drunken murderer. To make him something that is Godly is beyond the pale. I sincerely hope that Mary Jo Kopechne gets her finally pound of flesh from the man that murdered her and exacts her rightful vengeance against this scumbag.

Does anyone here see the point of reference here, when the witch made those comments about Rush Limbaugh loving, aeriel wolf hunting NRA members? I sure do.

Given all that's been said of dear ol' Saint Teddy of Seagram's, I can hardly wait for "Sheet" Byrd to shuffle off his mortal coil. Only question is, will 'the dark side' of the Byrd family be invited to speak? I'm thinking NO.

All that Teddy Bare's kicking the bucket means to me is a crappy last four days of teevee nooz viewing (abetted shamefully by Cox Cable removing C-SPAN2 off my local channel line-up. No more Booknotes weekends!)

Thankfully though, Dead Eye Dick is scheduled to hyperbolically flail around on the carpet like a chicken with a broken wing on Fox News Sunday in front of Mike Wallace's kid and the rest of the world. Fat Sunday! Tivo: record!

They can worship Teddy all they want but it doesn't change the fact that he's dead and finally burning in Hell... and there he'll stay.

Whats the darkside of Byrds family GarandFan? Relatives who actually did vote for Obama?

Dont answer that...

"We dont know how much Kennedy was affected by Her death?"

Enough to spend His whole life in sackcloth rueing the day of His birth. err?

Oh wait a sec....My bad...That was someone else who actually had a JOB.

Liberal? HAH!

That's a word the left hijacked long ago. Like "gay". They want to be known as "progressives" next. They are neither liberal or progressive.

Merely Left Wing.

An excerpt from the official anthem of the land of wingnutia compliments of the official poet laureate of wingnutia Dr Demento":

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be
happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

You thought it was a joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said
that loosing you would make me flip my lid.. RIGHT???
I know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed you laughed and
laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad... And..

Hey SAUD, glad you're here! Hey, did you tell any Chappaquiddick jokes in honor of Saint Teddy's passing? I hear they were Teddy's favorite form of amusement.

914: Seems "Sheets" fathered a child by a young black girl who worked for his family back in his younger days. I'm sure SAUD can fill in all the details.

Oh, and SAUD, what do the Kennedy men consider "too young", was it 13 or 14? I forget.

Nice one SAUD..

Your loved here and we'll make sure you are well taken care of in the NEAs new special rubber room for ex Kenyan supporters.

Hey SAUD, come back! Was it something I said? I haven't even mentioned the Martha Moxley or William KENNEDY Smith trials......yet.

Hey SAUD, come back! Was it something I said? I haven't even mentioned the Martha Moxley or William KENNEDY Smith trials......yet.

27. Posted by GarandFan |

Why not start with Joesph Kennedy and go down the list.

Do we have that much bandwidth?

Well if Melissa Lafsky REALLY believes the shit she is shoveling, she needs to find a bridge and take one for the team herself......

C'mon sweety, you know it will be WORTH it pinhead.

Yeah Lafsky, DO IT FOR BARRY!

How very clever, Still an Unregistered Democrat, to use lyrics from a 1960s song to show that people who don't agree with you are crazy! You're following the pattern very well--first the people who don't agree with you are crazy, then stupid, then racists, and finally Nazis. Will you be presenting lyrics for each stage?

Whatever you do, distract from the issues. Distract, distract, distract.

I like to think that one of Mary Jo Kopechne's last two words was "Mother".

What's worse than Teddy Kennedy getting away with abandoning a young woman to die are the slobbering, sycophantic media hacks that allowed him to do so, did not call him on it, and in fact, have been enablers for the past 5 decades for the whole debauched, morally derelict Kennedy clan.

Mark Steyn's piece is dynamite. Too bad SAUD didn't stick around to read it. Probably over at Daily Kos damning MJK for being so inconsiderate.

Wellllll, the lyrics DO describe SAUD, ML and all the Kos Kiddies pretty well...

I just wish someone WOULD come and take them all away.

Just when I was gaining a tiny bit of respect for those we calls trolls, SAUD goes and reinforces every stereotype about distracting rather than contributing or confronting head on.

Way to go Troll.

I think I understand the HuffPo piece. It's not just that the MSM failed to hold Teddy accountable for Chappaquiddick, but in a perverse way they really do blame Mary Jo Kopechne for nearly torpedoing Kennedy's career.

But for her he would have been president. Her memory was ever present, his opponents saw to that.

So when Lafsky says that Mary Jo would have been happy what she is really doing is giving herself and the left permission to forgive Mary Jo for having the poor taste to die at Teddy's hands. She can forgive Mary Jo's memory for dogging Teddy through all these decades. Teddy's gone and now so too is the ghost of Mary Jo. She cannot thwart him any longer so the lefties can allow themselves a (very) small amount of magnanimity.

They don't have to hate Mary Jo anymore (and have no doubt about it, they hated her). They can assuage what little conscience they have by thinking that she would have wanted Teddy to go unpunished for leaving her to die...To slowly suffocate, trapped in that car.

Of course they don't see Mary Jo as a real human being. She's just an inconvenient fact, so it's easy to gloss over what happened to her and think only of themselves and their desires and how she would never have wanted to stand in the way of their realizing their dreams.

They can forgive you now Mary Jo. I somehow doubt that God is quite so forgiving of Teddy.

Putting aside the insane mind that would come up with the idea that Mary Jo would call her death a catalyst or in any way a good thing, it is a false premise to begin with.

The catalyst for Teddy's career was death, but not Mary Jo's. It was the death of his three older brothers. Teddy was the left over n'er do well brother. He was barely in Old Joe's periphery. It was oldest brother Joe, Jr. who was slated for glory and high political office. When he died, old Joe retooled quickly and got his playboy son JFK ready for public consumption. RFK and JFK were joined at the hip, so it was a natural progression to move him up in Joe's pecking order when JFK was shot. But Teddy, no one cared about Teddy and he had never done a damn thing to distinguish himself until after RFK was shot. But, they never really were able to turn him into any kind of national figure. Teddy did what Teddy did best, make deals, compromise, work the back room. The catalyst was the Kennedy name and the only reason the Kennedy name carried any weight was not for anything Teddy ever did, but for the deaths of his 3 older brothers.

The very same people saying that, maybe, Mary Jo would have thought her own drowing was worth it are the same people who've been screaming that faked drowning, WATERBOARDING, is torture.

The toughest Al Qaeda couldn't take it, but Mary Jo would have willingly?

SOB's.

And no, I don't think Joe, Jr, JFK, or RFK would think it was worth it either.

I'm surprised WaPo printed this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/28/AR2009082803873.html?wprss=rss_nation

Pal2Pal (Sara)
Right on! Very telling was the Rodger Mudd interview where he asked Teddy "Why do you want to become President?" Teddy thought and thought then mumbled an incoherent response that made no sense. What he was probably thinking was "Because my father expects me to".
Ted was the family fuck up. Daddy was always spending money cleaning up after him.

Pal2Pal (Sara)wrote:

The catalyst for Teddy's career was death, but not Mary Jo's. It was the death of his three older brothers.

You're right, but it's much simpler than that. The country simply never got over JFK's assassination. He seemed so invincible, and his death seemed so mysterious, that it was impossible to let it go.

That's why everyone's so focused on the Kennedys; that's why the death of JFK, Jr. had our attention for so long; that's why Teddy would never get voted out of office. And, just to make sure we would never let it go, there's that eternal flame.

RFK's murder was only more of the same. I sure didn't like Teddy, but, having lived through JFK's killing, I couldn't turn away from the TV coverage this evening showing that Teddy was going to be buried near the eternal flame. It's an obsession.

"I couldn't turn away from the TV coverage this evening"

You have a stronger constitution then I do. They should have thrown Teddy's casket in the river when crossing over to Arlington.

"...distracting rather than confronting head on.

Which comments should I confront head on? #3 -"...now they will be lining up for a chance to kill someone..."? Or #15 -"drunken murderer..."? Or #4 - ....liberalism is a mental disorder..." Or 11 - "it would be be worth it to any of them if someone would die..."?

"Saint Teddy of Seagram's" and "Sheet" Byrd?

Or #18 - "...he's burning in hell"?

Yeah sure you can confront those lucid and insightful comments can't you. I stick with my pasted post of the very apt lyrics.

Teddy Kennedy buried in Arlington? Don't they have any compost heaps in Massachusetts?

SAUD, give it up. Kennedy was a turd.

You know it, I know it, we all know it. Stop buffing the turd - it won't take a shine.

WTH are these people smoking...their underwear?

SAUD -

How about some simple truths about Teddy:

1) He cheated his way through Harvard (after he was expelled his family's wealth got him back in)

2) He let Mary Jo Kopechne suffocate (she didn't drown, she lived for some time in the air bubble trapped in he car. She died a slow horrible death). If it isn't murder it is at least manslaughter and he got away by blaming "the Kennedy Curse". Loser. Anyone with a shred of decency would have faced what they did.

3) He sexually assaulted waitresses in Boston (and probably elsewhere).

4) He posed as a champion of green energy while blocking a wind farm that would encroach on the view from his home.

5) He tried to sell out our country to the Soviets when he wrote a letter to Yuri Andropov offering to give him information to give him an unfair advantage in arms negotiations with Reagan. He also offered o sell out our allies whom he would meet before seeing Andropov. If it were a Republican you would call it treason. It was when he did it.

There's lots more I'm sure, but these are damning enough. He wasn't interested in anyone other than himself. He was a self absorbed amoral scumbag. Come to think of it, no wonder the Dems loved him so.

Perhaps what Melissa Lafsky meant in the original article was that Mary Jo Kopechne would have considered it worth giving up her life to prevent Kennedy from becoming President. Had he been president then, he might have allowed the Soviet Union to win the cold war.

Pathetic liberals worshipping false gods like MICHEAL JACKSON and TED KENNEDY and BARACK OBAMA

Do you know who the Massachusetts Democrats should elect to be their new Senator?

O.J. Simpson.

Umm, you guys know that Lafsky speaks only for herself, right?

I just love how every time a liberal says something outrageous, it's "the left" saying it, according to some of the commenters here.

From now on, I'm holding "the right" responsible for everything David Duke or Pastor Phelps (the "God Hates Fags" guy) says.

Fair enough?

Fair Brucy as long as they are connected now and in the past with MSM outlets. Putz. Do you even read the post? The point was made this was no "whacked out liberal". You need to study comprehension. ww

Bruce, from now on, I'm holding "the left" responsible for everything you say.

Fair enough?

SAUD will be back as soon as he gets some more DNC talking points to cut and paste.

Bruce,

As if the left doesn't hold the right responsible for every nutcase? Yeah right.

And as stated in the post above, this person was respected main stream media not some leftist kook who happened to have a blog or get interviewed.

And if you want to talk about holding the entire left accountable for what one person says, how about the things Obama has said.
"Maybe you are better off taking the pain pill."

Is it any wonder after hearing your esteemed leader saying things like this, that the idea of death panels seems so likely?

Dr Ezekial Emanuel, brother of Rahm and one of the appointed "special advisors" to the President, had this to say about healthcare.

"In the next decade every country will face very hard choices about how to allocate scarce medical resources. There is no consensus about what substantive principles should be used to establish priorities for allocations,instead, we will need fair procedures. Debate will focus on what those procedures should be."

From his September 19, 2002, book review, "Setting Limits Fairly: Can We Learn to Share Medical Resources?"

I did not misquote him as others have blames NYT (so conservative) and WAPO of doing. But even reading the actual quote is scary. Rationing will have to be done based on cost to the many and not on benefit to the individual.

The people the President surrounds himself with are full of gems like these as is the great P. BO himself.

I hold the entire left wing accountable for what these people say. And it scares the everlovin sh** out of me.

It's said one should say only Good things about the recently deceased.

So here goes.

The Mary Jo Kopechne Memorial Brain Tumor has triumphed and the Swimmer is dead:

Good.

Brian Richard Allen
Lost Angels - Califokennedycated 90028
And the Far Abroad

BH,
When did the left not broadbrush, including
you?
But be our guest, if you think it will avail
you any thing worth value.

Hey, I didn't say she wasn't a respected MSM whatever (although I've personally never heard of her.) I said that what she wrote was outrageous.

And, yes, both sides "broadbrush", although I've never seen that one-word verb before. I give Miss Maggie credit for coining a whole new word.

Does the fact that both sides do it make it alright? Does it make it valid?

Bruce,
Not much an argument when you have to rely
on a misspelled word. Broad brush.
But thanks for the pointing out of it.

He didn't "rely on it" he mentioned it.

And he asked "Does the fact that both sides do it make it alright? Does it make it valid?" and you ignored the question.

From what I've seen you routinely criticize the broad brushing done by liberals and never criticize the broad brushing done by conservatives, Maggie.

So when conservatives broad brush liberals "Does the fact that both sides do it make it alright? Does it make it valid?" I'm curious to hear the answer from this blog's moderator.

Vic

Vic,
Do you read every comment on Wizbang? I do.
Unless you take the time to read every comment,
and moderate the ones who need it, you're very
presumptive.
Plus, what I do as a comment section editor is
none of your business.
If you don't like the way Wizbang operates, don't read it, don't look at it, don't comment.
It's a privilege you're allowed to post at all,
not a right.

Judging by some of the insane shit you allow some of the more unhinged right-wingers to puke up in these threads, maggie, it's frightening to imagine the sort of stuff that you deem unacceptable from them.

Brucy said:

From now on, I'm holding "the right" responsible for everything David Duke or Pastor Phelps (the "God Hates Fags" guy) says

Of course we were talking about MSM writers, but Bruce thinks that equates to anyone in his analagous mind.

Oh Yeah! Maggie, Bruce thinks hitting someone on spelling lessens the message. Typical lefty schoolyard tactics. ww

Hyperbole,
And that's not a mistake. In considering some
of the socialist, freedom oppression shit you
post sometimes, you've got a lot of gall pointing your keyboard at me.
You wouldn't know what true freedom was if it
slapped you up against the head. It would probably scare the life out of you.
You and the government box you exist in.