And Obama would do well to return to Kenya.

"These systematic attempts to control our private institutions and our own personal privacy goose-steps forward with alarming speed."

I think the operative word is "attempts". An infomed citzentry will continue to make these just "attempts".

Has The One ordered the Brown uniforms for His minions yet? That would make it easy for His people to tell "them" from "us". Somehow I don't think Barry is going to get us to sew yellow stars on our outer clothing.

Oh and before VIC, Bruce and SAUD chime in with 'you're all paranoid', how's that George Bush "Patriot Act" thing working out for you?

The Libs went berserk when Bush pushed the Patriot Act so he could spy on terrorist's communications.

But where are they now? Obama wants to peruse private computer networks for 'security' purposes (ill defined ones at that) and they are all silent.

What kinds of data will they 'inadvertently stumble upon' and what will they do with that information?

Libs still carry on about Nixon's enemies list, yet Obama starts a program so you can rat out your neighbor for disagreeing with the president and that's fine.

Two words: molon labe.

They don't wear brown uniforms. They wear shirts with logos such as SEIU. Talk to some people from Montana. They said a bunch of SEIU people were bus in and many supporters were escorted to prime seats inside. Outside many of the Union thugs were going around trying to start fights and shouting down people with bullhorns. The opposition reframed from taking the fighting bait and ended up using some bullhorns found locally to get their voices heard. I would say where they found them but don't want to get anybody in trouble.

Might want to go to a Town Hall meeting with a baseball bat. Never know where you might find a quick pickup game, especially in the parking lot.

This is a damn bad idea on so many levels.

We have firewalls, malware and virus detection systems, companies going all out to keep ahead of the malware and virus writers. We're also seeing much more VOIP communication for long distance telephony, and we won't even go into how essential the internet is to financial transactions day to day in the US.

Now Obama wants to go "In case of emergency, I want to be able to shut it all down, or close off large chunks at my discretion."

What sort of emergency, pray tell, would necessitate that? An election which didn't go 'properly', perhaps? A physical attack on NY or LA, when communications need to be controlled to 'avoid panic and misinformation'?

I can't believe that Obama and the Dems would be friggin' stupid enough to propose this. Are they REALLY so confident in their hold on government that they think this will pass unchallenged?

Then again - what if they are? And what if... they can?

The word "Stupid" comes to mind. But then, we're dealing with a man with a mammoth ego. Just remember, "I won". I think in the next couple of months he's going to find that he's not 'the most powerful man in the world'.

We are!

"Then again - what if they are? And what if... they can?"

No...they are stupid...blind arrogance does that.

Of the three main branches of mulit media communication the Whitehouse already has a lock on one (television) and is working on the other two (internet and radio). This is just another peice in the pattern we see emerging from this Administration, a pattern of total control.
Any one piece of the pattern seemed inconsequential at first glance; it is only when taken as a whole that this patterns truly disturbing nature can be a appreciated. Fairness Doctrine, internet control, SEIU intimidation, Acorn voter fraud, this "Civil defence Force", intimidation of political enemies, control of corporations, monkey business with the census, payoffs to special interest blocks... etc...etc... etc. All of these actions suggest, nay scream, a desire to control, absolutly. All of these actions, if carried through to their frutition, will make it impossible for a Democrat to lose an election and for conservative voice to be heard; and then we will truly know the glories of the one party state.
I realize that I may sound pessimistic or even alittle crazy; but I am just seeing what lays before me if someone wants to give me a reason why a shouldn't think this I would be glad to listen. I don't like being this cynical and morose.
The good news, if it can be called that, is that there will be seccession and civil war long before this point is reached; when people feel that violence is their only means of political expression. So freedom may not completly die in the world; it will only be diminshed greatly and the lives of Americans will be extinguished in the process. Hope and Change everyone.
Note: I am not advocating violence, I am only predicting it. And while I am heartened by the Tea Partys I still wonder if they will be enough.
Sorry for the rant.

Garandfan,
A board meeting in a dark parking lot with a
clue by four.

Is it to much to ask that people stop misquoting Ben Franklin? Do you really think someone who was heavily involved in the process of giving up a little liberty for a little security by instituting a federal system of government would have actually said that? Do some fricken research next time and get the adjectives right!

It was annoying when the mangled quote was bandied around during Bush's term, and it's annoying now, especially when the real quote works.

All roads lead to Rome.

JScuhler,
I agree with your complaint. Especially since I remember the quote as: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

A wording that has a more powerful impact and is indeed more appropriate to the situation.

JScuhler,

Your complaint is duly noted. However, there are many different variants of the qoute floating out around.

Its meaning is essentially the same.

Now, do you have anything to say concerning what the post is actually about?

Sheesh.

STaylor, some would like us to look at all those issues you bring up as unrelated and argue each one separately. But as you point out, if you put them together, they paint a picture of concern.

JSchuler, although you are absolutely correct, I'd venture to guess that while informing others of an honest error, a little diplomacy would go a long way.

Shawn,
I just reread my comment and I think it came across as a bit too harsh toward you. I appreciated what you wrote and my intent was merely to express my support of JShuler's wanting an accurate quote of Franklin's admonition. There is serious stuff going on in DC right now and accuracy, honesty and integrity are some of the best weapons against the greed, corruption and dishonesty flowing from there.

Harmon,

No explaination necessary.

JShuler has a point. As I could not remember the quote verbatim, I took the one that first popped up on Google.

My error.

I would just ask that we keep the thread on topic, as comments can tend to wander from the subject of true discussion.

Thank you!

-Shawn

I'm losing a lot of faith in this country. After all, the voters elected the dems and obama, these rulers did not just happen, it was not a coup....the voters of this country ELECTED these people and, according to polls, agree with their goals. I do not agree with the dems, but I am not sure, any more, if this country is what I thought it was.

The emergency situation is when Obama needs to black out information damaging to his government. Then he can black out the internet, he already has the TV media and talk radio will be cleansed through localism.

the revolution will not be broadcast.

Oh, and Shawn - the problem with the Franklin quotation was in the translation from the original English. ;)

Its about control, control over your life and what you are allowed to see and think.

There are other means of communication but none so vast and far reaching with the speed as the internet.

Even the communists haven't proposed something like this.

http://daybydaycartoon.com/

A must read today. Once again right on target.

I can understand government/military networks but NOT civilian networks. Another stupid bill if you ask me.

The key to stopping all of this stupid stuff is an informed populace but that's the kicker. 52% are not informed and will probably stay that way.

52% are willingly lazy and naive thinking the gubbermint is benevolent and will see to their every desire.

I can understand government/military networks but NOT civilian networks. Another stupid bill if you ask me.

The only reason to do this is to shut off communication between domestic dissenters. Critical industries like finance etc already have significant cyber security and are as protected as can be, but this will put all corporate networks under the regulation of the government. The only purpose can be to be able to shut off and isolate political problems.

The canonization of St Teddy of Seagram's continues unabated this morning. Caught in passing "Ted Kennedy never left anyone behind".
Ooops! Someone should have vetted that. I can imagine the entire congregation all having the same thought: "Well, there was this one time........." I also like the way the MSM manufacturers facts: 'Ted was in both an airplane accident and an automobile accident that almost took his life'. No mention of anyone else of course.

Officer Wesley Cheeks tells Reston, Va.town hall protester he can charge him with whatever he wants to, because he didn't like the sign the protester was carrying. The protester says" this used to be America." Officer response "It ain't no more,okay."

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/28/video-of-the-week-it-aint-america-no-more-okay/

Even the communists haven't proposed something like this

No. But that's only because Google is too happy to keep the peasants under the heel of oppression like they do in China. Our 'Bend to Evil' friends are only too happy to make money at the expense of other people's freedom.

That daybydaycaroon brought another thought to mind.

Would they shut it down, or would they redirect all traffic to propaganda pages?

Would they shut it down, or would they redirect all traffic to propaganda pages?

Does it matter? They would log your IP address and trace your identity from the hit. They would put an LSO cookie on your computer (or something like it) and trace where your go.

An excerpt from the official anthem of the land of wingnutia compliments of the official poet laureate of wingnutia Dr Demento":

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be
happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they'r
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

You thought it was a joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid.. RIGHT???
I know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed you laughed and
laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad....And

I wish Obama would hurry up and take your internet away SAUD.

Now normally SAUD brings something to the conversation, granted it usually makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine, but this makes two threads where he simply pasted lyrics.

Way to contribute SAUD. At least before you contributed, now you are truly a troll.

OK JustRuss, #35 was really ironic satire, paralleling Ted Kennedy stuff, about how SAUD used to "contribute."

Right?

But to get back on topic, the time to be afraid was November 2008.

"But to get back to the topic..."

Yes, the paranoid rantings of an unhinged blogger which you all eat up with glee.

There, that's my contribution - an astute observation flavored with a touch of satire.

Could BARACK OBAMA be one of those SRULLS? or a DIRIE WRAITH?

TOTUS...whatever happened to totus? Remember the squeals and giggles when y'all were gibbering endlessly about tele-prompters?

Saud -

If you were an astute observer, you wouldn't have been a Democrat for long.

Let's see:

Shawn calls the entire Democratic caucus Obama's "socialist goons."

He claims those same "socialist goons" want to re-instate the "Fairness Doctrine." That's something a tiny minority have proposed. There is no serious attempt to bring it back.

In Mallowland, a public health insurance option is a "bizarre version of socialized healthcare."

He thinks an investigation into possible sadism in the "harsh interrogation techniques" program is a "witch hunt."

And claims that notifying the White House of various specious arguments being made against health care reform, so that those specious arguments may be rebutted, is "snitching on your neighbors."

Then he characterizes a well-meaning but deeply flawed bill by ONE Democratic Senator (Jay Rockefeller, hardly a lefty radical -- his name is freaking ROCKEFELLER), as a diabolical power grab by "Obama and his socialist goons."

And we are to take him, and the me-too chorus, seriously?

I think SAUD's cut-and-paste song lyrics fit here even better than in the other thread.

Just so you know, "the Left" is no fan of Rockefeller's bill.

By the way, glad to see you back, Mr Mallow. Hope you're feeling better.

GrandFan Comment #10 - He runs around saying "I won", but the thing is, he didn't win. He bought the election with the help of ACORN, Code Pink, SEIU, ACLU, etc. He has a lot of paying back to do. With the help of his cronies, he will strip us all of any savings we have worked our entire lives for so he can give it to those agencies who bought the election for him.
To SAUD: We here at Wizbang refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Just my opinion
Madalyn

Yeah, Madalyn, that's why I put my checks from ACORN, the SEIU, and the ACLU into a Cayman Islands bank account. So when Obama comes after my savings, I'll have the last laugh.

I'm pretty sure SAUD can handle the likes of you, madam.

Our Founding Fathers would be shocked to see what has become of their America. We should all listen to their wisdom! They inspired this song/video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoea0Py2pjg

Hey Mr. President ©2009
written by R.L. Carter

Verse

Hey Mr. President

Pelosi, Reid and Frank

You've mortgaged all our futures

Buying houses, cars, and banks

You ignore the Bill of Rights

While Congress claps and cheers

It's your abuse of power

The Founding Fathers feared

For us who dare to dream

Don't tax away our reason

If business doesn't prosper

Than neither does this nation

You promised hope and change

But put us hopelessly in debt

Brought us bigger government

You can bet we won't forget

Chorus

Government's like a fire

And can lead us to disaster

It's a dangerous servant

And a fearful master

So please Mr. President

Listen to their wisdom

From Washington and Jefferson

Lincoln down to Reagan

Verse

Hey Mr. President

The press is in your hand

They love your fancy footwork

Now they're your biggest fans

When you speak they listen

Hang on your every word

You've become their super hero

While they've become absurd

Your programs make me dizzy

As you move at lightening speed

With Congress in your pocket

They don't even stop to read

Give me the bill I want

Don't let this moment pass

My vision's too important

And my wisdom's unsurpassed

Chorus

Government's like a fire

And can lead us to disaster

It's a dangerous servant

And a fearful master

So please Mr. President

Listen to their wisdom

From Washington and Jefferson

Lincoln down to Reagan

Verse

Hey Mr. President

You took a moral stand

Gave rights to our enemies

Yet on the other hand

The unborn cry for mercy

But the calls to tough for you

It's above your pay grade

Sorry, but it's true

You bowed our nation down

Like a subject to a king

And while others sacrifice

You apologize for nothing

You're worried if they like us

Why is it you don't see

That this nation under God

Is where they want to be

Chorus

Government's like a fire

And can lead us to disaster

It's a dangerous servant

And a fearful master

So please Mr. President

Listen to their wisdom

From Washington and Jefferson

Lincoln down to Reagan

Chorus

Government's like a fire

And can lead us to disaster

It's a dangerous servant

And a fearful master

So please Mr. President

Listen to their wisdom

From Washington and Jefferson

Lincoln down to Reagan

Forward... inline text as attachment

Bruce Henry - Comment #40. First off, what a gentleman you are. Question? Is SAUD going to handle me by sending in the death panel to take care of me because of my age? The election was bought. Saw the TV interview myself of a woman admitting on tape that the people at ACORN who were paying her to drive homeless people to the polls told her to tell them to vote for Obama. The newscaster was incredulous, and asked her "Are you telling me that your boss at ACORN told you to tell the people you are bringing here to vote for Obama?" The woman replied "Yes,they told all of us to do that". About that time you could see the woman look over to the side at someone who was motioning to her and all at once she said "Oh No, we were never told to tell anyone who to vote for". SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES AND HEARD IT WITH MY OWN EARS. At least I still have them but can't count on it in the future with Obamacare.
Have fun in the Cayman Islands.
My opinion and I state it proudly
Madalyn

Your comment, Madalyn, to SAUD was that you "refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." And my reply was that, in my opinion, SAUD would have little difficulty in a battle of wits with the likes of you. Nothing gentlemanly or ungentlemanly about it. This is a debate forum. Am I supposed to be more gentle with a commenter named Madalyn than one named Bob?

As for what you SAW WITH YOUR OWN EYES, I'm wondering why it hasn't been on an endless loop on FOX ever since. Not doubting your word, you understand, but a link might help. Or are you the only person who SAW IT? What channel? On what date? Any further details?

And I've never participated in one of those get-out-the-vote, drive-you-to-the-polls things, but don't they work that way? If a partisan organization is driving you to the polls, don't they want you to vote for the person they endorsed? Isn't that understood? Correct me if I'm wrong. I very well could be. As I say, I've never participated.

Bruce - I was being sarcastic when I said you were a gentleman. I have no idea whether you are or not. No, I don't have a link; I do not know how to link. I am not familiar with computers.
I saw the video on Greta van Sustren. It was during the election, so I am afraid even if I were a spring chicken I would not be able to remember what time, what day, etc. I believe it was in front of an ACORN office in Ohio. I am also sure millions of other people saw it too. You can ask around if you don't believe me. Am I to understand that it is legal for me to go to a homeless shelter, take people to the polls, tell them who to vote for, and I can get paid by ACORN for that? WOW, I find that hard to believe. Silly me, I thought that was against the law, but then again, because I am not an educated person I could be wrong.
As far as the comment I made about battle of wits, I was not talking about myself alone; I was referring to anyone who wants to be included. You will notice I said "we". Don't be such a boor.
I don't expect you to treat me any different than you would "Bob". I made a comment, you made one, it could go on and on, but this old lady is not going to argue with you. I made a statement, and I will not take it back. If I am wrong, I will apologize, but until then I stand by my words.
I will restate what I have said on many occasions: I make a lot of mistakes, but I have never committed a crime. I have always taken responsibility for my actions, and when I am wrong or mistaken I will admit it and ask for forgiveness. I haven't lived all these years without learning to be humble when it is called for.
My opinion
Madalyn

Are the people at ACORN eeevil geniuses or are they fools, Madalyn?

How many homeless people are registered to vote? Do you think a homeless shelter is a likely place to recruit voters? Even all the diabolical geniuses at ACORN, SEIU, Code Pink, and the ACLU all put together would have trouble forging enough documents to register and actually achieve 10 million votes.

Which was Obama's margin of victory, Madalyn. Would you like to rephrase your ludicrous assertion that Obama "didn't win. He bought the election...."?

Geez Bruce - You have a real problem. I guess SAUD doesn't have a voice of his own. You seem to be the voice of a lot of people. The comments could go on and on, but I for one have a life, and will not comment on this one again. I made my point and you made yours. I think I am right, you think you are. I give up, but will not change my mind. Your Messiah is selling our country out, and I am upset. I have a right to say it.
Bye and good luck
Madalyn