Even better are the ripple effects of removing 250k cars from service--i.e.-the obvious one of scrapyards losing revenue derived from resale of drivetrain components, plus the orgs that perform routine maintenance on the cars, the people who supply the parts used, the people who transport said parts, the people who manufacture these items--the list goes on and on.

Unintended consequences CAN be a real bitch.

Not to mention the final indignity--YOU and I, dear people, are PAYING for this misbegotten shit.

" GM and Chrysler are using taxpayer bailout money to advance dealers the refund money they are waiting for from the US government! "

So is this an unfair business practice that screws Ford and the other auto companies?

But no, if we get the "public 'option'" govt healthcare, I'm sure they would NEVER, EVER use such unfair practices to run private insurance out of business. (snort).

This is the same Government that wants to be in charge of our Health care. I think I'm better off without...at least until we have someone with the ba@@'s to take on a much needed Insurance Reform.

Hey folks! Don't forget, this "is the smartest, most intelligent administration, ever!" And if you don't like it, SHUT UP! Just remember, "I won".

Anyone want to make a small wager that auto sales WILL TANK in the next couple of months?

Well I wont be buying the wons vehicles either way. Cant afford the savings it would cost Me.

Bail out #6 on the way for dopeys auto companys.

Can We please recall this unqualified buffoon already? 2012 is so far away.

Straight out of the Medicare and Medicaid claims payment handbook.

Serving in the military you learn very quickly that if the Government makes a mistake and pays you too much money, they withhold the entire amount from your next paycheck or two. However if the Government owes you due to a mistake they take months to investigate before maybe getting you the money back...most likely in installments.

The health industry will cut off care out of necessity until bills get paid. Unless government completely takes over the hospitals to "ensure care levels are maintained". (quotes for stress, not an actual quote)

JustRuss:
I once had the misfortune of having the driver of a government vehicle (USMC) back into my legally parked car. It took 6 MONTHS to get reimbursement! First they had to determine that it was really a government vehicle. Let's see, it's painted GREEN and has USMC stenciled on the doors and GOVERNMENT license plates. Next they had to determine that I wasn't at fault with my DRIVING! Hmmmm....PARKED CAR....yeah. Then it was questioned if I was legally parked. Thank God I had a camera in the glove box and took 36 photos of the incident, including a picture of the driver of the government car....who oddly enough was wearing a USMC uniform.

So in Vancouver the hospitals have canceled surgery for the rest of the year because they have run out of money.

Can't wait for Obama to start doing the same for health care as he has for the auto dealers.

I just hope I can wait for surgery when I need it.

jim m:
Not bad, can see it now:
"Cash for colons"
"Moolah for mammaries"
"Coin for colitis"
"Gelt for gastric disorders"
"Tips for tonsils"
"Bucks for breasts"

I heard the treasury was going to drop a $.50 coupon on Tidy Cat in next Sunday's paper.

Thats what happens when a supposedly "simple" program requires dealeships to fill out 2 dozen forms simply to get reimbursed $4500. I'm sure the dealeships will be reimbursed eventually, once the forms are sent back to be comepleted, you know, 10-12 weeks later. but its scary. It really is. These idiots want to run healthcare and they can;t even do this right. I can just imagine it: you're in a hospital waiitng for surgery, but they won't do it because the government hasn't reimbursed them for the initial exam yet. Wondeful
www.notjustaboringdentist.com

"Moolah for mammaries"
"Bucks for breasts"

Damn, Garandfan, how did you know about my regular Friday night excursions?

jim m:

Don't forget "Kidneys for Clunkers." Unless they decide you're the clunker. That means you should be put out of commission permanently.

"Thats what happens when a supposedly "simple" program requires dealeships to fill out 2 dozen forms simply to get reimbursed $4500."

Make that 136 pages the dealers had to wade thru just to complete one transaction.

Not to mention the BS about having their computers become official gubment property when they logged onto the system.

Yep, a very well managed program:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/22/us-adds-clerks-to-clear-clunkers/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_photo_feature

Very well run, indeed. Smartest administration ever.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/22/clunkers-program-benefits-foreign-automakers-data-shows/

My wife and I are Obama supporters. But I
think we played this car deal wrong. We drove
into a Hyundai dealer in a 6-month old
Cadillac Escalade and drove out in a brand new
Elantra, but it cost US $4500! How does THAT
work? Anyhooo, my wife loves the new car,and
she looks great in it. God bless Obama and
the angels he flew in on.

Step up! Step up! Gather 'round ladies and
gents! Obamacare is instituting a new health
directive...Angiogram Lotto! If you need this
procedure now, contact an ACORN representative
near you. He/she will show you how much each
ticket will cost you....and your odds of winning the BIG PRIZE.....a 4 vessel cardiac
study, free anestehsia, and a weekend with
Obama and Michelle, if you survive the exam.
Who said that government isn't there for YOU.

We have way too many demacratic clunkers in WASHINGTON D.C. when soon cam we have them removed?

I missed something. I see that some of the forms were sent back for resubmission - because they were incomplete. Check that again they were sent back for resubmission that is not the same as being denied.

You would think that car dealers being the perfect Republicans that they are would know how to fill out a form. Apparently not.

Wow

progressive ahole - "I missed something. I see that some of the forms were sent back for resubmission - because they were incomplete. Check that again they were sent back for resubmission that is not the same as being denied."

You may have missed something, but it was your moniker, "progressive ahole" fits just fine.

You DID miss the part about Curry Chevrolet in Scarsdale, N.Y who are waiting for an explanation why there application was turned down. If there are in fact errors how can a dealer correct them if the aholes running this program fail to inform them of the errors?

Of course the bigger issue is you implying all the dealers have made errors that have resulted in denial of delays in the program.

Unless you have proof of that you're nothing more than what you calls yourself - an ahole.

And BTW, dealers having to wade thru 136 pages of this nonsense bill to make a application wouldn't have anything to do with whatever amount of errors that occurred would it?

Nah, not to progressive aholes like you.

As noted, there are many negatives to the cash for clunkers programs. Those being its impact on the used car market, auto repair shops, auto parts stores, car donation charities and the poor. These could all have avoided if the politicians had listened and taken the advice of the car donation charities. Our advice was to give the c4c cars to charity. The cars that were really in bad shape would be junked. Those in good shape would be sold or given to the poor.