Let me guess, their members "of the religion of peace"? Am I close? Is this considered "profiling"?

Well, if terrorism does not pan out for them.. They can always run for office in Michigan.

"....their[sic] members 'of the religion of peace'?

Or just ultra conservative right wingers say like Timothy McVeigh?

Funny, I don't recall McVeigh claiming to be from a peaceful religious group.

You're right....just a "peaceful" political group - the right wing of this country.

Its the left wing that is for the murder of innocents in this country S.A.U.D.

Nice try though.

Nah, 914. The left practices 'choice', the right 'executions'. "Nuance".

His group has no 'extreme fringe', everyone on the right is an extremist. See "nuance".

Timothy McVeigh was a Libertarian type.
Not a conservative at all.
Conservatives believe in defense you know, SAUD.

Letter from Tim "Tim's Bill of Rights" 2/3rds down the page.

http://wlo418.tripod.com/worldlibertarianorder/id18.html

McVeigh was against defense, point #2.

Saud,
Broad brushing the whole right wing?
Mighty interesting nic you got there.

Boyd, who it describes as the ringleader, is a US citizen, trained in Afghanistan and fought there against the Soviets between 1989 and 1992. It says when he returned to the United States he recruited others.

Daniel Boyd, 39 is the ringleader(cell commander)?
Wow!

This guy is like a contemporary of John Walker Lindh.
How could Lindh and Boyd not have known each other?
Are there that many white English born American Jihadists?

Are American officials in the NSA, CIA, FBI not getting any intel from guys like JWL, or have they been watching the Boyds since Johnny Walker Lindh fingered Danny Boyd and only now scooped up his cell?

Just wondering.

"Broad brushing the whole right wing?" says Maggie. But hey it's ok to broad brush an entire religion isn't it? Funny how that xenophobic "broad brush" from GrandFan isn't remarked upon by the fellow believers,including maggie, isn't it?

Saud? That's not even clever by half - I'd put that into the same stupid category as your fellow believers who just love Obama's middle name.

Bullet in the forehead. Oh, wait, there is no
such thing as treason anymore. If these guys
killed your relative in a terrorist act, it
would be nuanced into.....aren't we as guilty
as those we condemn? If placed in a prison,
Obama and Holder would close the prison. We
as a nation are just getting too"judgemental".

We gotta get better trolls.

Bullet in the forehead.

No, bullet behind the ear.
The forehead is the thickest boniest part to penetrate.

And No, Trajan, we aren't in Utah here, North Carolina uses lethal injection, for murderers only.

You wouldn't want these guys to get their 72 year old virgin early would you?

By the time the courts get through with them, Obama probably won't be President anymore.
He's surrendering as fast as he can.
He'll probably turn guys like these out of jail, even after conviction, to save pennies on the $Trillion just to look good.

Soon everyone will be too focused on China, being handed a gift-wrapped Taiwan, to even notice or care.

Timothy McVeigh was a Libertarian type. Not a conservative at all.

He was a member of the Republican party, pro NRA and anti-abortion. Think that qualifies him as a conservative.

JP2, you remember McVeigh because he was a right-wing nutcase. You forget the Unibomber, a left-wing "superprogressive". And Padilla, and the Washington snipers. And the eco-terrorists on the left coast. And that guy that shot up a train on Long Island because he hated white people. That's your nature, I suppose. Unlike you, it seems to me what makes them news is that they were all crazy, and that had nothing to do with how they voted. They were just crazy.

Forgive me, but the term "pathetically conflicted" comes to mind. The older I get, the more it seems to me that the word "liberal" has become an oxymoron. In the original sense of the word, you're not very "liberal" at all.

I was simply stopping someone from lying, that is all. Anyone trying to pass McVeigh off as a non-conservative needs correction. The rest of your arguments are not worth commenting on.

Lying, jp2?

Ronald Reagan was a Democrat.
Is that a lie?
No.

He was a Democrat for most of his life and became a Republican at the end.

At what time in Timothy McVeigh's life was he a registered Republican?
Before he became a terrorist, that's when.

Later McVeigh became a Libertarian.
How can I say this truthfully?

Because McVeigh was against defense.
I have never met or dialogued with a Conservative who is against defense.

Are all Republicans conservatives?
No.
Arlen Specter was a Republican for most of his life but he is not and never was a conservative.
What is Specter now?
Specter is now a Democrat.

Do you get the distinction, jp2?
Probably not.
Too much nuance for you.

From Wikipedia:
McVeigh was known throughout his life as a loner; his only known affiliations were voter registration with the Republican Party when he lived in New York, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military. Despite the former, McVeigh self-identified as a libertarian in a statement that was reported by MSNBC.com and The Washington Post; and in 1996, while in federal prison, he voted for Libertarian candidate Harry Browne in the United States presidential election, 1996.

Click and read my link at #8.
McVeigh's point #2 states:
_There shall be no standing military force during peacetime, (this) to include large bodies of federal law enforcers or coalitions of these officers that would constitute a military force, with the exception of sea-based maritime forces.

No conservative would say that.

You can point out a few policy differences if you want, as all members of every party have, but for anyone to say "he wasn't a conservative type" is a liar. For instance, Bush's wasteful and stupid spending isn't necessarily "conservative" but he is still a conservative politician. Harry Reid is anti-choice but still a democrat who is somewhat liberal.

Pro NRA. Member of the Republican Party. Anti-tax, anti-government. If he was still around and not a mass murderer he'd be at the lovely tea baggings and claiming Obama wasn't born in 'Merka. He'd also be campaigning for Ron Paul, a very popular and prominent conservative Republican.

Darn you, Obama, for going after these terrorists! Who do you think you are, Bushitler?!

Well, I guess we'll see protests outside the Whitehouse over this. Right?

Pro NRA. Member of the Republican Party. Anti-tax, anti-government. If he was still around and not a mass murderer he'd be at the lovely tea baggings and claiming Obama wasn't born in 'Merka. He'd also be campaigning for Ron Paul, a very popular and prominent conservative Republican.
~jp2

No, McVeigh wasn't pro-NRA. It's a fact that McVeigh quit the NRA because they weren't radical enough for him. He voted Libertarian the last time he voted and self-identified as on in 2(TWO) public forums. McVeigh was anti-tax and was anti-government, but Libertarians are anti-tax and anti-government while conservatives aren't anti-government they are for small/smaller government.

Yes, if McVeigh hadn't been a terrorist and in dead he would be against Obama and demonstrating at the TeaPARTIES, but so are Libertarians and, sadly for you, jp2, many of the attendees are registered Democrats too.

McVeigh wasn't a conservative type.
The NRA wasn't radical enough for him.
Conservatives aren't radicals.

He self identified as a Libertarian and voted Libertarian after having joined the Republicans at the young age of 18.
People change, and Timothy McVeigh changed a lot since he was 18.

Sitting on a Marine Expedition Ship off the coast of Kuwait during the Gulf War changed him.

McVeigh was against defense when he returned home.
He was forever changed by Waco, where he was physically present, supporting the Branch Davidians with protests from the outside.
He was also changed by the goings on at Ruby Ridge.
He believed that there should be no standing Army in peace time and wrote as much.

Conservatives know that not having a standing Army invites war.
In this day and age of Jet Warplanes and Blue Water Navies, war is a come-as-you-are affair.

Like it or not, jp2, Timothy McVeigh wasn't a conservative.

I suppose you've ranted and raved to a host of people using him as an example of a conservative, but hey, you're ignorant.
Deal with it.

"You can point out a few policy differences if you want, as all members of every party have, but for anyone to say "he wasn't a conservative type" is a liar."

This sounds like it could be a Monty Python skit, almost.

"The trees are certainly blue today, aren't they?"

"Blue? They're GREEN!"

"Blue."

"What do you mean, BLUE? Trees are green, except in winter when they're brown! GREEN is not the same as BLUE!"

"Oh, no? Take some blue paint, pour in yellow. What color do you get?"

"Green... But that's not BLUE!"

"Got a lot of blue in it though, doesn't it?"

"Ah...."

"The sky sure is a lovely green today, isn't it?"

"Ah...."

Therefore - the sky is green because blue is a component of green. And trees are blue, because blue is a component of green. It all works neatly, don't you think? If you just mangle the definitions enough, pretty soon you can get them to what you want them to be.

SAUD,
If you don't like the rules of Wizbang, leave.
You could be Have Shovel Will Travel.

jp2,
Where are your sources to back up your
allegations about McVeigh?
Or are you just spewing hatred?

How many more terrorists are slipping across the border along with all those illegal aliens?