If it were my call, Ms. Prejean would have lost her crown. But then, so would all the other beauty pageant contestants. I'd eliminate the pageants as whole; I really don't think they serve a useful purpose.

She is a beautiful young woman. Trump is a stupid ugly troll.

Nice to see that Obama's stated position on homosexual marrige might get some attention.

Does ANYBODY imagine that this entire incident was not the result of attempted "payback" for her comments on gay marriage? The anti-Prop 8 crowd went on a crusade attempting to dig up dirt on her, and found some trivial things, and hyped it to the moon. It fits the "mold" they have been attempting to put conservatives in for years.

Well, yeah, of course it was payback. This whole thing would have blown over quickly if people remembered to treat a beauty queen's political statements with exactly the deference they merit.

Me too - wasn't it amazing? Sorry for my complete inability to take the whole seriously.

I think James H. you are missing the point of the post.

The conservative viewpoint is not tolerated in the left and extreme left camps. Bigots, all. ww

I've found few people who are less tolerant than the folks who proclaim loudly just how wonderfully tolerant they are.

I wish this would all just be over with yesterday.

Now we have to put up with another dozen of Lee Ward's tirade/temper tantrum/ranting over at Blue!

engineer, nobody makes you go there. Forcing people to read WizBlue was ruled unauthorized as an EIT.

It is interesting that Shuster would be so upset with that woman over the views that she shares with Barack Obama, a man Schuster wants to perform oral sex on.

Honesty is the best policy. She spoke her mind and Trump is not going to penalize her for that. As for the pictures Trump sets the rules. What he says goes.

Ryan

james h - "Well, yeah, of course it was payback. This whole thing would have blown over quickly if people remembered to treat a beauty queen's political statements with exactly the deference they merit.

Gee, do my eyes deceive me, or do I spy a backhanded remarked designed to minimize a young intelligent women for no other reason than a contest she was part of?

Yepper, sure did.

Marc --
I find the woman herself, intelligent or not, conservative or not, largely irrelevant. I find the entire concept of beauty contests a rather sad testament to a societal obsession with the most shallow aspects of a person.

That said, beauty contests themselves have lost popularity in recent decades, as declining Miss America ratings illustrate.

james h - "That said, beauty contests themselves have lost popularity in recent decades, as declining Miss America ratings illustrate."

Is that what Miss America ratings illustrate or is it something larger? For the sake of argument I think it's safe to say the pageants could loosely classified as "awards shows."

The Grammy Awards and the Academy Awards, have been in a ratings tailspin also, last year's Academy Awards were reportedly the lowest-rated in 39 years, attracting only 32 million viewers (live plus same day), and marking a decline in viewing for the fifth straight year.

The 2008 Primetime Emmy Awards drew only 12.3 million viewers, a drop of 33%.

And BTW your Miss America example isn't a fair example, Miss America pageant even moved to cable and isn't available to as many homes as it once was.

On the other hand most it not all the pageants have declined in popularity.

I've already been over to Wizblue to comment on Hooson's screed over this a few days ago. Lee had to hop in and tell me off for pointing out a few totally obvious points missing in Paul's post and shining a light on his dishonesty.

This news will send Lee into a tail spin.

Oyster - "and shining a light on his dishonesty."

Dishonesty is far too kind a description.

hooson's screed on Miss Cali is nothing more than anti-religion bigoted horse-crap.

And lee, it takes a bit of altitude to tailspin, you can't tailspin when you've already hit rock bottom.

A new set of www.tmz.com/2009/05/12/miss-california-carrie-prejean-topless-photos/ just released show Carrie Prejean totally topless. They were taken last year when Carrie was 20.

I forgot to mentioned, some of the new photos are full unobstructed frontal nudity. Nice!

Carrie Prejean lied when she said there were not anymore.

Damn trueblue... no reference to her breast implants?

Your trolling skills are diminishing with each comment.

Psst... trueblue, you have some unfinished business.

Oyster, you made me curious. I had to take a look at a few of the Prejean posts at Blue. Here is the funniest.

"If it's her heart and her beliefs and her God -- what business does she have dictating her beliefs on others?...It's her bible [sic] - why should her bible[sic] dictate the rights of gay Americans? It shouldn't."

I wonder what to make of this then.

"In a 2007 Chicago Tribune interview, Obama said, 'I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue ... my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.'"

Funniest to me is the big problem with Prejean's Bible dictating the rights of gay Americans -- as a CONTESTANT in a BEAUTY PAGEANT. But no problem with Obama's Bible dictating the rights of gay Americans as PRESIDENT from the WHITE HOUSE.

Unless those criticizing Prejean now have been criticizing Obama in the same way all along for his position, they have zero credibility (and they look pretty stupid too, but that goes without saying).

True Blue - The TMZ pics that you referred to were the ones I mentioned in the post ("others were taken between posing on a windy day" in case you didn't bother to read the post or watch the news conference).

If you will look at the pictures (not just at the boobies) you will see that they were not intended to be nude. She was working as a model in a photo shoot and was wearing a vest that was obviously supposed to be covering her breasts. You can see that it was very windy, her hair is blowing in her face, and in one of the two pics you can see the vest slipped when she tried to brush the hair out of her face. It is blatantly obvious that these were not meant to be nude pics. It is unbelievable that a suppposedly professional photographer would release those two frames from her session. Imagine the photo shoot with 50 or 100 or however many frames. I don't know how many they shoot, but I know they take many, many shots to get the one they want. Since these were the only 2 released I assume her breasts were covered in the other 48 or 98 or however many frames.

She probably did not even realize her breasts were exposed in the shots. The photographer was undoubtedly shooting as she was moving and until she saw the finished product she didn't know what he caught on film. Even if she did realize the vest slipped in 2 shots I doubt it is something she would have thought of when answering the question two years later.

True Blue, you described the TMZ photos as "totally topless" and "full unobstructed frontal nudity." Did you actually look at them? If you looked at them you know that is not true. And you called Carrie a liar. And if you looked at them you have to know they were 2 frames out of a photo session that was not a nude shoot.

What is it about this woman that has those on the left willing to be so slimy and dishonest? I mean even more so than usual.

Now we have to put up with another dozen of Lee Ward's tirade/temper tantrum/ranting over at Blue!

Only if you bother to actually GO to Blue.

james h - "Well, yeah, of course it was payback. This whole thing would have blown over quickly if people remembered to treat a beauty queen's an actor's political statements with exactly the deference they merit.

FIFY.

Why doesn't the strike tag work?

Substitute "beauty queen" for "actor".

Why is She so pretty?

Regarding update 2 and comment 22:

Looking at the entire set of pictures it is clear they were meant to be titillating and revealing but probably not nude. The gray vest she wore would never have sufficiently covered her bosom. In trying it on she had to know it would reveal a significant portion of her breasts. Much more that you will normally see at the beach. You make it sound like the photographer snuck up on her in the changing tent but in several of the pictures she is clearly posing and not between poses. The photographer was probably just snapping away and figured he would sort it out later.

She is a young woman and may have been manipulated by a sleazy photographer. I am sure she did not intend to do nude shots or shots that revealed her areolae. But if you put on a vest that is far too small to cover your tits in the best of conditions then it will never cover them. With digital photography you can take hundreds of shots and look through them later for the gems. In this case someone found all the best nip slips.

I am not arguing about Ms. Prejean or her beliefs. Only about the interpretation of her topless photos.

Jon Stewart was pretty scathing about the affair last night.

She was working as a model in a photo shoot and was wearing a vest that was obviously supposed to be covering her breasts. You can see that it was very windy, her hair is blowing in her face, and in one of the two pics you can see the vest slipped when she tried to brush the hair out of her face. It is blatantly obvious that these were not meant to be nude pics.

Lori- Are you kidding? If not, I bet you believed Sen. Larry Craig when he said he has a "wide stance".

And to think, if she were a lesbian or said gay marriage was fine with her... she likely would have won the pageant and all this controversy would never have happened.

But she dared, DARED to say marriage should be between a man and a woman IN HER OWN OPINION.

And for that - she was marked for destruction and defamation.

Where's the left's much-vaunted tolerance? Where's the willingness to live and let live? What happened between "We support all lifestyles" and "We've got to destroy this bitch utterly lest her message spread!"?

The same folks who happily promote events like THIS (very much NSFW, unless you're in a really interesting environment that I'd prefer not to know about) find her pictures objectionable? And dare to tell US what we should think about them?

The left screams about how hateful the right are - yet can't apparently see the hatred that comes from their own minds.

They scream about the hypocrisy of the right - yet ignore their own hypocrisy every time.

Well said, JLawson.
Can't add much more to that.
But I have been wondering....
Where are the feminists on this?

Lori[sic]- Are you kidding? If not, I bet you believed Sen. Larry Craig when he said he has a "wide stance". TrueBlue

Look at the few other pictures that were released as part of the same series. Were they revealing? Sure. Were they "totally topless" and "full unobstructed frontal nudity" as you claimed? No way. Not even close. Even the couple pics that revealed a breast did not fit that description.

If they released all the other 50 or however many frames they shot, and all (or even most) showed her topless, or even revealing her breast as the two TMZ ran did, then I would say she was posing for a partially nude photo shoot. But from what I have seen so far, that is just not the case.

And yes, I do believe the vest could have slipped out of place when she was repositioning for the next pose or when trying to brush hair from her face. Anyone who has ever watched even one episode of America's Next Top Model would too. (Unless they were blinded by their hatred for a conservative Christian who dared to speak her mind and saw topless unobstructed full frontal nudity when they looked at them.) There are times on that program (ANTM) they have to blur or pixel out parts of the pictures they take as the girls are doing the photo shoots because a breast, or other body part, is exposed. The final pictures are shown on television, but sometimes what they get in the process of shooting is not. Is that really that complicated to understand?

JLawson, good point about her specifying that her answer was in her own opinion. Another thing that has gotten scant attention is the beginning of her answer when she talked about it being great to live in a country where people/communities could choose. I don't remember how she worded it, but she was obviously referring to the ability of people in different states to vote on the issue and decide for themselves.

But the only possible right thing WASN'T said, Lorie.

It's bizzare how this has been blown out of proportion - if Perez Hilton hadn't thrown a fit over what she did it would have been basically ignored. But someone decided to throw a screaming fit over it, and at that point it took on a life of its own. A small-time internet 'celebrity' showed his pissy little hatred of someone who didn't tell him what HE wanted to hear - and SHE becomes much more of a household name than he's ever been - or ever will be - and she's respected more than a spoiled, whiny jerk.

Life's a funny thing, ain't it?

I am most amused by the prudishness of so many on the the Left. "How dare she show her breasts!" Blah Blah Blah Blah!

The Left goes on and on about how moralizing, judgemental and intolerant the Right is, but this case demonstrates that many of on the Left have those same qualities. They just don't realize how stupid they sound when they behave EXACTLY the same way they accuse the Right of behaving after sermonizing against it.

Hank -

"Where are the feminists on this?"

Conflicted. She's outside the narrative, so it's best to just ignore her and wait for the whole thing to die down.

It's kind of the same problem they have going up against shari'a law and militant Islam. On the one hand, they're not happy with the way women are subjugated. On the other, since Western civilization is uniquely evil in how it treats women, ANYTHING elsewhere is automatically better. (The fact that folks who DON'T fall in line w/shari'a get severely hurt or killed is another contributing factor to their desire to not touch that issue with a 10-ft pole.)

There is a potential for backlash from favored groups on Prejean, therefore nothing will be said.

The leftist gays are the most hatefull, intolerant bunch I have ever witnessed. The trolls here come in second.

I applaud this woman. She had a chance to stand up for her beliefs when it counted and did. She is very brave. ww

I like boobies.