As I said a few days ago, all this "memos" talk is nothing but another bone thrown to the Loony Left, to keep the campaign funds flowing to the Dem party.

Neither Obama nor the Congressional Democrats have any stomach for finding what Nancy Pelosi knew, and when she knew it.

This is just another moonbat exercise, a la the John Conyers' Bush Impeachment Hearings. Anyone remember how that is coming along?

To repeat what I said on another thread. All of these things are simply diversions to keep the media from reporting about cap and trade, socialized health care, etc. We are being played.

Jamie Gorelic sighs in relief

Their feigning intelligence as well.

"...Senator Bob Graham (D) were also present during the briefings."

Former Senator Bob Graham has (I believe) recently indicated that in no way was he informed that conservatives were gleefully torturing prisoners in the name of Jesus Christ, and that he certainly did not give his approval to all this. He's seeking an investigation.

Democrats have several lines of "defense" here:

- we didn't understand what we were told ("We're stupid!")
- we didn't realize WE had full power over this starting in 2006...and didn't stop it ("We're incompetent")
- we tried to tell the public, but the press is just so HOSTILE to us! ("We're unbelieveable")

so many excuses, so little time!

but they need to hurry and get the Kangaroo Kourts going to distract America, before people notice Sen. Feinstein's MASSIVE ethics violation, Sen. Dodd's fingerprints all over the real estate mess, and the massive fraud going on regarding the "stimulus bill"

I will say this again when this all cropped up a couple of weeks ago, Bring It On. I am confident every high ranking elected official, every one, knew what was going on. Barry is shooting blanks. He does not have the balls. ww

All this "can't recall," "didn't understand," etc bull crap....they're admitting outright that they're either totally incompetent, liars, or both. Why should we believe a word out of their mouths?

Whoa! Everybody! Follow ML's second hyperlink (to the WP article), and then follow the WP's link to the DNI briefing of "senior congressional" pantloads (pdf).

___The term "waterboarding" cannot be found therein, but there is mention of the "children"(!?).

___Interrogators are at least "43 years old"...?

___"procedures" are *guaranteed* to not "violate" the "US Constitution, any US statute, or US treaty obligations", but certain detainees may be held in a "foreign state".

OBVIOUS conclusion: DNI knows waterboarding is torture and thus lards on buzzwords to absolve DNI of culpability via the appraisal of senior congressional pantloads. Senior Congressional Pantloads assume a quick and successful war will render History moot (for 50 years or so) on any possible misjudgment on their part.

My friendliest appraisal: dereliction of duty requiring impeachment of all parties.

P.S. And I only SCANNED the report.

epilogue re: above: It's a SHORT report. Must read. It WILL impinge!

____good post, M.L.

bryanD...if you mean impeachment of the Congress Critters now doing the Sgt Schultz tango then I am with you. Else...

bryanD...if you mean impeachment of the Congress Critters now doing the Sgt Schultz tango then I am with you. Else...
11. Posted by Justrand

What part of "all parties" don't you understand?

READ the report I (and M.L...kinda, on accident(?)) recommended. It's a fricken PRIMARY SOURCE. (And may it be copied forever, Selah!)

**Jeeez! Effing Bushbots!**

Another way to do this would be to have security squads dropped aboard after the ship clears national waters. Security crews seem to me to be a better solution than arming the ship's crew.

bryanD, I read thru it...your BDS hangover appears to be showing

"bryanD, I read thru it...your BDS hangover appears to be showing"_justrand

Question:

How can I have "BDS" if you drank the "B"?

Off-topic: just watched the final "The Sopranos" episode on A&E. It sucks worse than I could have imagined!

Apart from having to reconcile the "plot" to Common Sense On Earth, the dialogue consisting of "mwuh-mwuh-mwuh!" was a real chore as usual.

David Chase is a fag.

Sincerely, bryanD

It is reprehensible that the Obama administration seeks vengeance on the prior Bush administration. First, he wasn't going to go after them and then he changed his mind. You have to think that the initial idea was his own and that he just wanted to move forward. But, then someone got in his ear and now we have the show trial headed our way. I agree that it is a distraction. This administration is chucked full of distractions. The absolutely stupid thing about this so-called torture is that we, the US, trained our military using the same techniques so that they would know how it felt and they could somehow escape or survive based on their experience. So, under the Democrat thought processes, we must surely have tortured our own troops. Waterboarding of THREE individuals and scaring enemy combatants with bugs, sleep deprivation, and confined spaces pales in comparision with slitting throats and dismembering bodies. These tactics are not torture in the sense that most Americans perceive torture. They think we are stupid. They want us stupid. The Democrats have forgotten 9/11. Bush kept us safe for the rest of his presidency and Obama hates that. He wants America crippled and dependent on government so he can justify his expansion. If this goes forward we will have the Obama administration to fully blame for: disclosing the tactics used that made America safe, criminalizing the very lawyers who put the directives together, tying the hands of CIA operatives for fear of being brought up on charges, demonizing the people who came up and ordered the tactics be carried out based on completely legal advice and circumstances at the time (reeling from 9/11 and the potential for further attacks, the tactics couldn't be wimpy...even though most people (not DEMS, though) would think they were, and finally, Pelosi and other key DEMS lying about not being briefed or cognizant of the fact that these tactics were actually going to be used. Obama the puppet, is crossing the line here in going after a former administration. Hopefully, he will piss enough people off so that he rightfully misses a 2nd term. America is going to hell in a hand bucket with an arrogant captain slinging tax payer money in all the wrong directions and embracing the wrong initiatives. It is truly disgraceful, embarrassing and so very frustrating to watch.

Democrats can't function without a "great Satan" to be angry at and blame everything on. now that Bush is out of the picture, they are trying to keep the hate focused on him and anyone--anything so that the public won't notice the corruption of the TARP, their greedy earmarks, etc.

Based on the memos, I classify a lot of what was done to detainees as "torture." I would like to see investigations, assignment of responsibility, and safeguards against this sort of thing happening again.

If that inquiry leads to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's disgrace, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

The main problem I see with this whole issue is what is torture and what is not. I watched someone waterboarded on video. That was not torture. Being forced to kneel on rice kernels might be torture as it hurts, but the discomfort of waterboarding is not pain. Torture must inflict pain. Not briefly such as slapping. Beating someone is not torture. However tying hands behind the back and then hanging a person up by their hands, overhead would be very painful for most and I would consider that torture. As long as the term torture is abstract, it allows those who oppose any but the most gentle treatment of others to call whatever act they wish torture. Electric shock is torture, skinning alive is torture. Waterboarding is not torture.

There will be no investigation now that Pelosi and crew have been acknowledged as knowing about it. The political advantage of an "independent" investigation is gone, so they won't be perusing that I suspect. (No one honestly believed this was about "morality" and not politics, did they?)

Sure, there will be some posturing and posing to make it seem it is still an issue for a little while, but there is no way the Demos will have an independent investigation. That would expose their role and involvement - Not going to happen. They condoned the techniques, whether through action or inaction, there is no way they want that widely known.

So, the troops who are incarcerated will stay incarcerated and the people who put them in that situation will eventually sweep it under the carpet and carry on pretending that they are "outraged" by the "torture" and continue pretending their hands are clean.

And the American public will happily accept it and move on to the next "outrage" that catches their fleeting attention. And through their inaction will also be complicit in keeping these troops in jail for actions that were "legal" - at least at the time.

Watching illegals being bused in to vote for Obama in Iowa.. Now thats torture.

James H., this is not only about political leaders, this can effect long serving public servants. This "kangaroo court" will hurt this country immensely probably to the point of making our government impotent in areas of national security. No one wants to do their job knowing that in the future, they may be prosecuted because they changed the rules in the middle of the game. Grow up.

I still say Barry does not have the balls. ww