Amen. Well done.

That was excellent.

Why does Barneys Frank always appear to be sitting on a champagne bottle?

"Why does Barneys Frank always appear to be sitting on a champagne bottle?"

Not a bottle, he just likes to leave the cork in!

And the video is OUTSTANDING!

Like it.

I like it, I love it, we need some more of it.

The video was awsome, almost brought a tear to my eye, I remember seeing Ronald Reagan speak and for the first time actually listning, I was a kid then, and thinking "Man this guy makes me proud to be an American and he's way cool"

I for one am praying there is another like him out there, I know these so called "Conservative" Republican hacks would love that mantle, but lets face it they are pale comparisons w/o true core principals.

Our founders were, arguably, the brightest group of men ever gathered, compare them to the idiots we have running the show now and it makes one sad...really, really, sad

I read once that our founders were the indeed the brighest men together at one time for the same purpose. I don't think most people realize how special and wonderful the beginning of this country was. But our founders put together the best mankind could come up with. I know it is fashionable to criticize our founders now because the were white and some where slave-owners, but you have to think about the time they were in and how we were able to make the right changes to include all peoples.
A quote I read: "Our government is so bad, the others are so much worst".

mag,

"I read once that our founders were the indeed the brightest men together at one time for the same purpose."

they were a bright group. but trying to call them "the brightest" is an exercise in subjective futility. but yes, they were some smart men.

"I don't think most people realize how special and wonderful the beginning of this country was."

well, it depends on who you ask. for the 13 colonies that were under the thumb of the british, it was pretty special and wonderful (at least for the ones who were behind the revolution). for some other people, like all of the native americans, no so much. i suppose it was a good thing for the ones who sided with the Americans, at least for the short term.

"I know it is fashionable to criticize our founders now because the were white and some where slave-owners, but you have to think about the time they were in and how we were able to make the right changes to include all peoples."

looking at history within its historical context is really important, you're right. and it's important for people to realize that amazing men like jefferson were not perfect human beings. in some cases they were a product of their time, even if they were ahead of their time in certain regards. but then again, go read about "the trail of tears" and tell me that andrew jackson was just a product of his times.

also, you are wrong when you say that they made changes that "included all people." that's just not the case. native americans, for example, were not part of the "all men are created equal" rhetoric. that's just how it was. they were not given citizenship rights until 1924. african americans, of course, were also not given equal standing. finally, don't forget that women were not able to vote until 1920. those are just a few examples of the people who were left out, despite the claims about freedom for all.

it's great to talk about the accomplishments of men like madison, washington, and jefferson, but i don't see any need to gloss over the shortcomings in the process. history is history. there is no need to look back and whitewash it. i prefer a critical look at history over a nostalgic one. sometimes we look back as if everything in "those days" was somehow more fair, easier, and better. it wasn't.

I know those days weren't easy...who knows maybe people in future might look back at us and think we had it hard. AND I well know men are not perfect, I was commenting their better points. It could have been worst for all of us (white, blacks etc.) if not for these men flaws and all.

However, I was waiting for a comeback like yours.

Thanx Mag... I needed that! I know Men are the root of all evil.

No. The root of all evil is the love of
money.
Not men or money, but the love of what should
be considered a marketing tool, money.

Yep. That's some change I can believe in
too, and leaving the change in my pocket
where it belongs.