Didn't Crichton's book have envirohucksters causing "natural disasters"? Hmmm...

Nah.

No mention as to what you attribute last month's record warm temperatures in LA and San Francisco.

A retraction from Shawn and his sources is not expected.

Nevermind that they've had brushfires in Australia since the bigging of time...

No mention as to what you attribute last month's record warm temperatures in LA and San Francisco.

A retraction from Shawn and his sources is not expected.

See, here's the thing, Brian: Shawn, among others, doesn't attribute hot or cold extremes to Global Warming. They attribute it to weather. No retraction or apology is needed. It gets hot, it gets cold. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes, it rains.

I think Warwick Spooner summed it up best, "We've lost two people in my family because you dickheads won't cut trees down."

If it is too hot, global warming.
Too cold, global warming.
Too windy, global warming.
smog, global warming.
Barry's speech, global warming. ww

No mention as to what you attribute last month's record warm temperatures in LA and San Francisco.

Useful idiot.

Well, maybe not that useful, but keep him on the list anyway.

See, here's the thing, Brian: Shawn, among others, doesn't attribute hot or cold extremes to Global Warming.

Sorry, wrong. They characterize cold extremes (or even just cold norms) as actual disproof of global warming. Given that, I was merely wondering how they characterize hot extremes.

Denying EITHER global warming OR cooling is ignorance.

To ascribe EITHER natural phenomonon to man is arrogance.

If it is too hot, global warming.
Too cold, global warming.
Too windy, global warming.
smog, global warming.
Barry's speech, global warming.

Nice poem. I've got one for you:

If it's peace, tax cuts.
War, tax cuts.
Humming economy, tax cuts.
Record deficits, tax cuts.
Recession, tax cuts.
Economic collapse, tax cuts.

brian - "No mention as to what you attribute last month's record warm temperatures in LA and San Francisco."

Hot air in Frisco = Pelosi opening her piehole on a regular basis.

LA? Sounds like the same effect attributed to LA's mayor

If it's peace, tax cuts.
War, tax cuts.
Humming economy, tax cuts.
Record deficits, tax cuts.
Recession, tax cuts.
Economic collapse, tax cuts.

Yeah, the government knows best on how to spend MY MONEY. The funny thing is, those of the party that like raising taxes have leaders who seem to avoid paying their own.

Well Brian, since you are stupid enough to want to pay taxes, Pay mine. If you did not have the innate intelligence of a brick, you would know this nation was established on tax relief. Where, Brian, in the Constitution, does the Government get the authority to take money from me to give it to someone else? Have you ever read the Constitution? Can you have someone read it to you, then explain what it means? It is obvious you do not understand that document. Reoord temperature in San Francisco? How about record cold in the whole midwest, middle of the rest of the country?

Where, Brian, in the Constitution, does the Government get the authority to take money from me to give it to someone else?

Hey Zelsdorf, have you seen Obama's birth certificate? I hear Cheney had it with him when he ordered Building 7 detonated. Why don't you go find out? He might have scribbled some notes about Kennedy's assassination on it.

a more plausible explanation...

Dry hot weather causes fires to spread faster. People died because the fire spread so fast that people did not have time to get away. Although global warming can not be attributed to starting the fires set by arsonist, global warming did contribute to the speed at which the fire spread.

Fast moving fires are also far more devasting in the damage they inflict. All fires start out small. The slower they move the more easily they can be put out before doing significant damage.

Global warming will lead to an increase in forest fires because under dry hot conditions a very small spark is more likely to erupt in to a full blown fire. Under cooler conditions the same spark may not even lead to a fire.

So what your children have to look forward to is an increase in the number of fires and fires that will do more devastation.

No mention as to what they attribute last weeks record cold temperatures and snowfall that paralyzed Europe.

Global cooling, perhaps?

Even with global warming there are going to be cool spells (i.e. season when the temperature is colder than expected). Global warming is measured measured by recording the temperature over many years.

Heh. Have you seen his birth certificate, moron? Because I haven't.

Go ahead...link to a picture of a "certificate of live birth" and try to tell everyone how it's actually a completely different kind of document...I dare you. Because maybe, just maybe, you don't look stupid enough, already.

I just came to see if somehow the BUSHfires were going to be linked to former President Bush ...since everything that goes wrong or is evil in the universe is, you know, his fault. Can't believe that no one else has seen that link yet -- it seems so OBVIOUS to me. Just because the man is no longer President doesn't mean his eeeeeeeevil influence over everything everywhere has somehow waned. I'd bet he even owns stock in one of the bank's used by one of the arsonists for their personal savings account!!!!!11ZOMG

/lawl at you people
//AGW==BEST.LIBSCAM.EVAR. :D

News Headline:
Global Warming Causes Arsonist

"Go ahead...link to a picture of a "certificate of live birth" and try to tell everyone how it's actually a completely different kind of document."-falze

Send for a copy of your birth certificate and you will get the chintzy scrap of paper with scant details that looks similar to(if not exactly like) Obama's "certificate of live birth". AND they'll charge you $25 to $30 for it.

The states all apparently simplified things in the last few years, either to not confuse recent college graduates tasked with entering data or to hamper verifying just who's who in our service employment journeymens' paradise. Thus *tricky* info such as hospital and doctor's signature, etc, have been relegated to the bit bucket of inconvenient facts.

Rearranging the word order in "BIRTH CERTIFICATE" and "CERTIFICATE of Live BIRTH" seems to accompany the normalizing of birth certificate as a new form of bureaucratic I.D. card if one' wallet is stolen. It's not complete enough to *prove* anything anymore. It is certainly easier to counterfeit.

Heh. Have you seen his birth certificate, moron? Because I haven't.

Oy, Falze. I had thought that you were just angry and misguided. Now I see that you're angry and demented. Even Wizbang's wingnuttiest have rejected the whole birth certificate non-kerfuffle. You missed the thread created just for you. This comment in particular may dry up your spittle.

Gee. Here I thought the problem was that eucalyptus trees were flammable as all hell due to their oil. Who knew it was actually a birth certificate that caused all the fires?

Oh, wait. That was a derail. Never mind...

Heh, yeah, well, I can't help it if some righties want to jump on my throwaway lines and argue that taxes are unconstitutional (he got 7 positive votes, by the way) and that Obama is foreign-born. Go figure.

"They characterize cold extremes (or even just cold norms) as actual disproof of global warming. Given that, I was merely wondering how they characterize hot extremes."

"They're" not characterizing anything. "They're" asking why warmer temperatures are proof of global warming, but waves of colder temperatures aren't proof of global cooling. Nice try though.

Let's be honest here. Every time there's a heat wave or something burns it's proof of global warming. But mention cold waves and you're "characterizing" or a hack.

By the way, nice way to ignore everything else in the post. You know, the "characterization" of the brush fires as part of global warming and then the following realization that arsonists are at fault.

Every year there's an uptick in Florida fires in the summer. Sometimes huge fires. The vast majority of those fires are caused by arson or carelessness - not global warming.

Ah, moron, you never fail to live down to expectations. Thanks for that. I recommend reading your own link. Because it simply reinforces MY point. Thanks. And, I admit it, I was wrong...you CAN continue to look stupider and stupider.

It's evident that Earth's climate warms and cools in cycles lasting a few decades, a few centuries, and tens of thousands of years. The real question is not what the current trend is, but rather, is it caused by human activity and to what degree? Unusual warm or cold events may be evidence of a global trend, but they don't demonstrate cause. The only fact we have so far is that the science is not settled. Even if it were settled and warming was found to be caused by CO2, just how much can CO2 emissions be reduced?

A news report from Germany shows that their carbon cap and trade system has resulted in a zero net reduction in CO2. China argues that because it has controlled its population growth it should get credit for all the people who were never born, and thus, continue development unabated. India doesn't control it's population but argues that on a per capita bases it's CO2 emissions are low, and thus, continues its development unabated.

Asking the world to cut back on CO2 is like asking U.S. adults to lose weight. Some can and will lose weight, but others won't and the average weight keeps going up. Rather than spend money on dieting and health club memberships, people finally accept their limitations and spend the money on bigger clothes. Maybe the nations of the world should do likewise and spend resources on dealing with climate change (warming or cooling). That way we will have spent our money wisely even if it turns out CO2 is not the cause of global warming.

Brian:
Sorry, wrong. They characterize cold extremes (or even just cold norms) as actual disproof of global warming. Given that, I was merely wondering how they characterize hot extremes.

I've covered this with you before, but I can see you're a slow learner.

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Here's an example for you...

Theory: All swans are white. Black swans don't exist.

Q: How many white swans does it take to prove the theory?
A: No number of white swans can confirm the non-existence of black swans.

Q: How many black swans does it take to disprove the theory ?
A: One.

That is, no number of positive observations can ever prove a theory true, but only ONE negative observation is required to prove a theory false (Popper "The Logic of Scientific Discovery").

Capiche ?

I was interested to find wizbang. 20 years ago I had a book published on different economic concepts to point the way to a sustainable world economy. Someone who liked the book contacted me this year to suggest that I update and re-publish it as a blog. She set up the blog, and the book is now complete on the blog in a series of postings. There are now also additional pieces on global warming and other subjects. Here is the link:

http://www.economicsforaroundearth.com

With all good wishes,
Charles Pierce