Amen!!

Thank you for saying what I've been afraid to say. If I didn't vote for Obama, I am labeled a racist. If I don't want him to succeed because I believe he's dangerous for this country, it is assumed I want our great country to fail/collapse and Americans to suffer. There I said it, too, I want him to fail. I want him to fail at changing this country so drastically that it's unrecognizable. I "had" a good friend whose daughter (20-something) was paid to vote by her grandmother ... paid to vote in 2008 and 2004! She voted for Obama but can't explain why. We're in trouble and I just don't know when the American people are going to wake up. God help us all.

Preach on brother shawn.

Ever been tested for rabies?

This country's love for Obama is like a Hollywood romance. It will be over before you know it! Lets see the reaction of the libs when he increases our troops in Afganistan by 30,000. This does not sound like pulling out of the war. I will say this, I thought it was brilliant for him to put Hillary in his cabinet. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. O.K maybe not brilliant but very wise.

Woah, you're a terrible writer.

If/when Obama's pragmatic approach to economic policy and overall governance helps the country weather the recession, how will you react? You're a small, petty "man", Mallow.

And speaking for myself, I didn't dislike Bush in 1999 because I have "BDS". I disliked him because he was pro-death penalty, intellectually lazy, did a bad job at managing the Texas Rangers, and had the personality and temperament of a spoiled frat boy (because he is, in fact, a spoiled frat boy). Perfectly valid reasons to dislike someone.

Ditto. I will go one step further. I actually feel liberated. Since I have nothing but contempt for Mr. Stanky Feet and his crazy wife, I will take great pleasure in throwing bricks at his glass house. Since I do not suffer from white guilt, I have no restraints. I'm gonna have lots of fun.

I credit Ted Rall for singlehandedly transforming me from a politically inert independent into an active conservative. It seems to me that Shawn has two choices. He can either grow up, or he can keep aspiring to become a conservative Ted Rall. I will say that the more he posts here, the less often I visit this blog.

ElectricPhase--why? Don't you enjoy reading shit so stupid that it makes you feel like a genius? There are worse ways to spend one's coffee break.

I don't want Obama to succeed.

With all due respect, and speaking as a Republican, this is exactly this kind of petty, juvenile crap in which Republicans shouldn't participants. Honestly, change out some names and the party and you could easily post this over at DailyKos.

Just....yuck.

Sorry, but I agree with Shawn...this isn't a "loyal opposition" situation...I want my country to continue to be a democratic republic, and if ACORN and the rest of Obama's friends prevail through him, it will become a socialist nanny state with a stifled economy, deliberately handicapping itself instead of showing the world how to do it right, with the proverbial 51% of the population voting themselves a share from the largesse of the Treasury...we're practically there already. As far as Obama saving the economy, when you triple the amount of printed money in circulation, what do you think happens to prices? Weimar Republic ring any bells? Class? Class? Anybody? Bueller?

You'll need a pickuptruck load of paper money to buy a roll of toilet paper....cheaper to use dollar bills.

That's not being a conservative Ted Rall...or an Obama Derangement Syndrome victim...that's being a free market conservative.

To put it another way; a failed Obama Administration might mitigate the embarrassment, regret, and sickening feelings you have regarding your support for Bush.

Peter F,
I do not want a man who is hell bent on weakening my country to succeed. That doesn't make me any less of a proud American and/or Republican than you.

Lets see the reaction of the libs when he increases our troops in Afganistan by 30,000. This does not sound like pulling out of the war.

As a lib, my reaction is more power to him. We should have been fighting in Afghanistan all along. I doubt you will se much anger regarding that decsion.

Fauxbama is an illusion, a charade. Can anyone say we really know him, or what he stands for? He is a product of slick marketing, and craft speechwriters. All style, NO SUBSTANCE.

He has already been caught in lies, and his campaign promises are already being broken, and he isnt even in yet. His nominees are as much of a sham as he is.

Funny isnt it, Dims always insist people pay more in taxes, then we find out why. People like Rangel, Marc Rich, Geithner, etc dont pay theirs.

What was it again, 800 pieces of legislation he sponsored?? Prove it! Anyone that votes present as much as he did just doesnt have any balls. Listening to him speak is akin to what cops here after they stop a drunk Kennedy, err, driver at 3 am, or, what people here when they listen to a female Kennedy in any recent interviews.

Give him a chance? F that! Dissent is patriotic, remember?

You know Shawn,

This is a pretty childish postion. I disagreed with Bush (often, very often) and opposed and beleived in working against the policies I disagreed with. But, I didn't want him to fail, because it was bad for America. When he cut taxes for the rich (which I disagreed with) I didn't think, "man I hope this leads to the worst economic downturn is 20 years!"

I hoped I was wrong and that He would lead us to eventual peace and prosperity.

You may think Obama is a crack addict for what he plans, you may think it is destined to end in failure because it is misguided or even stupid policy. You may think everything he is doing is wrong and you may work to stop him in every way you can (ike calling your senator and urging filibusters) but I would hope you have the decency to hope you are wrong about those policies if they do go through and that good things will hapen for america as a result. It might not, You might be right about whether Obama is going down the wrong road ( a very legitmate debate) but don't wish bad things on america because you don't like who they voted for.

Shorter GianiD: "Waaaaaaaah!"

Gates is a sham? Or Gates is a sham, now that Obama has given him his tacit approval? Dissent is patriotic insofar as it's coherent and specific, not petty and vindictive. Dissent on his specific policy positions is patriotic; vaguely whining about the guy just makes you a baby.

Your country--not to mention the rest of the Western world--is currently in bad shape, economically. Obama has surrounded himself with pragmatic people who have built their careers on getting shit done, not left-wing ideologues that so many people here continue to bark about. He is open to ideas, keen on success (he would like to serve two terms, presumably), and is willing to change his mind as circumstances warrant. He is exactly the sort of person needed to weather the economic downturn, instead of some ideologue who is unwilling to allow his/her agenda to be sensitive to factual information.

An intellectually curious non-ideological person with excellent communication skills was chosen to lead your country. The only people who expected the second coming of Salvador Allende are disappointed far-leftists/anarchists and confused right-wingers who bought into the childish narratives on socialism and validity of birth certificates. Stop being crybabies and wait and see how the guy goes about doing his job before deciding in advance that he's a bad President. Makes you seem petty and stupid.

I don't want Obama to succeed either, reason being, I HATE SERFDOM.

"This is a pretty childish postion."

jmc, nothing compares to the childish behavior railed against President Bush throughout the last eight years.

But the children won so I expect nothing less from you over the next four years; you may love being a Serf, that's your problem not mine.

Well if "success" is defined as raising taxes on the most productive sector of the economy, authorizing $1 trillion in government spending hoping it will reverse a recession, passing card check, amnesty for illegal aliens, making energy more expensive in the name of fighting global warming, and socialized medicine then I hope he fails as well.

It seems as if you leftist kooks just couldn't bring yourselves to read past the first two lines.

Take a deep breath, a bug gulp of Kool-aid, and re-read what I wrote.

And hyper, your disgust with me really hurts, cause I was really hoping that you'd agree with what I wrote.

jmc,

Your statement shows just how little you actually read of the piece.

No where in it do I express my desire for " bad things on america because you don't like who they voted for.".

Don't excoriate me because you are incapable of understanding the written word.

"If/when Obama's pragmatic approach to economic policy and overall governance helps the country weather the recession"

Exactly what is this pragmatic approach?

Taxing smokers and fat people?

Imposing Luddite climate change tyranny?

Force The Peoples to take the Public Bus?

Hire out-of-work Broadway celebs to change light bulbs?

Do tell oh Smart Ones, what is the plan?

It is pretty funny reading such hatred for those of us who hope Obama does not weaken our country worse. Yes, I voted for Bush but feel he's failed miserably the past six months regarding our economy. Reading such continued venomous comments against those of us who did not vote for Obama is ironic and truly sad after eight years of disgusting hatred of Bush. I almost sunk to that kind of hatred for Obama but decided I am truly blessed because I work hard, pay my taxes because I have to, follow the rule of law and am damn proud to be a conservative American!

I understood every word >>you

PIMF

"Readers, including rightist kooks like myself" - ElectricPhase

At least you're honest.

"Try subtlety"

You are infering that this piece has no subtlety.

It's not supposed to.

Thanks for confirming it for me.

Reading such continued venomous comments against those of us who did not vote for Obama is ironic and truly sad after eight years of disgusting hatred of Bush.

Really? Could it be based on statements you make like this one:

"I want him to fail at changing this country so drastically that it's unrecognizable."

When people are referred to as "children" it is in reference to their immaturity and inability to see beyond their own whining needs, sometimes at the expense of everyone around them when they throw their temper tantrum. That's just what you're doing here.

And, you know, most of this country (and I say most since we're now talking a 75% disapproval rating) railed against Bush because his actions and policies were disasterous, evidence being our current situation here and around the world.

Don't want Obama to succeed? Well, who cares what you think. You lost this election - much of it due to this petty entitlement-based attitude. Get used to the wilderness. It might help you become a better person.

It seems as if you leftist kooks just couldn't bring yourselves to read past the first two lines.

I read it all, I'm not a leftist kook and I still didn't like it. Here's why:

I "get" what you're trying to say: that you hope Obama isn't successful enacting some of the policies he proposed during his campaign. But it' how you say it that comes across as just so much generalized, DailyKos-esque, leftis bombthrowing. Maybe that's your "style" or what not, and I jsut don't think that style is becoming or in the tradition of being a Republican presenting a reasoned, well-presented argument.

Your case would have been better had you stated on which fronts you'd like to see him "fail". For example, state the case on why you'd like to see Obama "fail" in closing Gitmo, or "fail" to appoint liberal SC judges, or "fail" to invade Pakistan likes he's virtually promised to do and so on. (Personally, I wish "success" in turning around this economic mess. IMO, anybody who doesn't isn't interested in selfpreservation.) Not presenting the case this way, and speaking in generalities like you do, you lend scant credibility to your otherwise reasonable statement of "I do not believe that success for a President always means success for the country."

All I'm saying is that Republicans should rise above the SOP of bombthrowing crappola, present reasoned, well-thoughtout arguments (and I really think you have one; it's just poorly presented) and maybe even win a few converts along the way.

"'Readers, including rightist kooks like myself' - ElectricPhase

At least you're honest."

Now that was sorta (unintentionally?) funny.

"You are infering that this piece has no subtlety."

I'm afraid that was a general statement about the majority of your posts so far. *sigh*

I would say sophomoric sums up Mallows writing. In a 10th grade writing class he'd get an F. In a college political science class he'd be tossed out with the suggestion he go back to junior college.
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As for your title....you do have that down perfectly.

Be careful, Hansel2, one of us is going to eat our words. At least I'm "grown up enough" to admit I'm wrong if I'm proven wrong.

"'Readers, including rightist kooks like myself' - ElectricPhase

At least you're honest."

Now that was sorta (unintentionally?) funny.

"You are infering that this piece has no subtlety."

I'm afraid that was a general statement about the majority of your posts so far. *sigh*

ElectricPhase,

It is ypur privilage not to read my posts.

Not everybody likes how or what others write. That's fine by me. I wouldn't expect that to be any different here.

So, take care, and have a great day!

-Shawn

Shawn,

Too bad. President Obama's already winning and he hasn't been sworn in yet. We're finally going to have someone in office that is smart. A Harvard Law Graduate! Oh God, I might start crying just thinking about it. Finally, President Obama(good-looking fine self) will pull the country out of the muck that George Bush put us in. He will definitely serve 2 full terms!

President Obama is so confident, so handsome and fine. No one got swagger like him! D#mn!

Hey Justice58, how's your defense of DA Nifong working out for you? Getting any new converts lately?

Hyperbolist, please go back to the dailykos. I agree with Shawn also. If other conservatives want to worship at the liberal altar of "the magic negro", let them. No I do not say that to be a racist.I just don't believe in "your" messiah. And Peter F., haven't all the "reasoned, well presented arguments" against the "chosen one" already been put forth by conservatives prior to the election. What changed? I think that the recent Blago scandal and the Chigago style politics that Obama sprang from are a precursor to we can expect to see in his administration. We the American people are in for one hell of a ride. So hang on tight! My wife said her ex husband used to have have t-shirt that said "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit". Give a shirt like that to all liberals, it so aptly fits.

On November 5 2008, after realizing the error of the American people I decided the following.

I will give exactly the same amount of support to Mr. Obama as the democrats gave President Bush for the last 2 years. (None)

I will strive to rid our Congress and Senate of all RINOS especially Mr. McCain.

I will work to elect any and all real conservatives in 2010

Hyper wrote:

An intellectually curious non-ideological person with excellent communication skills was chosen to lead your country. The only people who expected the second coming of Salvador Allende are disappointed far-leftists/anarchists and confused right-wingers who bought into the childish narratives on socialism and validity of birth certificates. Stop being crybabies and wait and see how the guy goes about doing his job before deciding in advance that he's a bad President. Makes you seem petty and stupid

This comment should solidify once and for all the hyper is exactly as he accuses others.

I also will support Barry with the same energy the democrats did for GW. Remember dem's, don't dish it out if you cannot take it. Be grown ups. You made the rules, now you must live by them. Barry's presidency is a failure. Pure and simple. ww

Shawn: you're 100% convinced that Obama's policies will harm America, and thus you want him to fail. I get it. You equate his success with failure for America--that's fine. You are a statistical minority (albeit a disproportionately vocal one) and thus your opinion carries no weight, so go on barking at the scary educated community organizer who wants to melt down your guns and use the scrap to construct solar panels. It makes no difference to what goes on in the world. As for what goes on in the context of this blog, you'd do well to listen to ElectricPhase and Peter F. if you want thoughtful people to respect your writing.

Baron: regardless of the actual results, you hope he fails at implementing his agenda? What if his agenda ushers in an era of Clintonian economic success? You're a smart libertarian-leaning conservative but surely you have to concede that once in awhile, you gotta spend money to make money. If economics was so simple that it could be distilled to ideological bent, it wouldn't take 7-10 years to complete a doctorate in that field.

Right on, Magic, well said!!!

precursor to^ we can expect to see in his administration.
I meant to"what" we can expect to see....

Peter,

I understand your point and it is well taken. However, I have been a reader of this blog for a long time and I know that the general readership is quite intelligent. So, when I say things at the top of my piece like I don't like "his views on Guantanamo", I expect people know that he wants it shut down, wants the detainees tried in civil courts with the full rights of US citizens, or wants them given to other countries where they may be free to join the attack again (as a Pentagon report just suggested last week about 61 of them so far), or they will be sent to countries which will use torture to prosecute them.

I could give his view and my counterview back with the many issues I have with Obama, but, this piece would have been 6 screens long and nobody would read it. Or I could do a piece on them, one by one. I choose not to do that in this situation.

Generalization in writing isn't necessarliy a bad thing, and brevity can be your friend.

Thats why this is, in your word, "generalized".

And for the record, I have never been to the DailyKos, so I don't know what they do over there.

Hyperbolist:
The DailyKos called and really want you to return they lost the current excuse for Obama's many changes of agenda since November... You must have been part of the Obama campaign all style no substance.

Justice 58:
I take it you believe in fairy dust and unicorns. Obama has no experience at anything he will be Hillary, Nancy and Harry's puppet. I didn't vote for him and I sure as hell didn't vote for them.

G.--why would I browse that site? Verbal circle-jerks are no fun to read whether they be conservatives or liberals posting. Thank you, though, for the kind suggestion.

Wild Wanker, everything you post solidifies your status as Dumbest F*cking Person Not Named Douglas Feith. Obama's presidency is a failure--but it hasn't even started! Wow, you can see the future! You are truly a sage, oh Widiculous one. Something has become apparent to me: you are too busy traveling through time to proofread anything you ever post. I apologize for criticizing your 4th grade composition. It must be difficult typing whilst tumbling through a rift in the space-time continuum.

I've got to confess I've been there (the dailycrap) there is no comparison. just baffling bullshit.

"An intellectually curious non-ideological person with excellent communication skills was chosen to lead your country."

Clearly you only get your news from the CNN-Obama network...

Not hardly...none of the above is the phrase that comes to mind, and if it's not YOUR country you can't begin to understand the corrupt Illinois Democrat/Labor Union/Organized crime milieu Obama has come up through and owes favors to...a slickly packaged empty suit with strong socialist tendencies and minimal intellectual capacity let alone curiosity who stumbles without a teleprompter, as well as having no moral compass, has been chosen to lead our country. As for his ability to surround himself with the cream of the crop of smart people, his nominations speak for themselves...party hacks, resurrected Clintonistas, petty (or not so petty) crooks, members of the Socialist International, a science advisor who has drunk the global warming communion cup, a treasury secretary who knowingly committed tax fraud, a secretary of state who was herself nearly indicted for fraud and had a role in or benefitted from the pardons of Puerto Rican terrorists by her husband who has major conflicts of interest with millions in donations from countries whose interests are far from our own... a cypher for you to project your fondest hopes and dreams on, but without guiding principles beyond 1)Get elected and 2) spread other people's money to your friends...very reminiscent of the worst of the Clinton years.

Yeah, the Messiah is a real wonderbar.

BREAKING NEWS an US Airlines flight has crashed in the Hudson River Still afloat 20 degress in NY right now windchill of 7

Shawn,

I totally appreciate the need for brevity. I beleive I perhaps mistook the brevity for bombthrowing. For that, I apologize. I'm seeing so much of it on conservative blogs lately that it just makes me cringe and want to say, "Ack! No! Stop. Let's leave that to liberals. We're better, let's act like it." Know what I mean?

And for the record, I have never been to the DailyKos, so I don't know what they do over there.

As much as you'll want to put your fist through the screen, and as painful as it can be, I would recommend you do give it a visit 2-3 times a week. As the old saying goes, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." (Enemies is a pretty strong word. Let's go with adversaries.)

Peter,

Appreciate the response. Thanks for being cordial.

DailyKos sounds like a nuthouse. Maybe I'll go see how the other side lives. Although, from the sound of it, I'll probably need a shower afterward.

-Shawn

jmc - "As a lib, my reaction is more power to him. We should have been fighting in Afghanistan all along. I doubt you will se much anger regarding that decsion."

When haven't we "been fighting in Afghanistan all along?" I must'a missed the news we pulled out.

Really, you want to complain about the mission there I'd humbly suggest you level your scorn at our so-called "allies" in NATO who have for the most part failed to do anything other than the U.K. and Canada.

Maybe, a long shot, but maybe The One can change that metric.

However considering those that have sat by the wayside there are constrained by legal and constitutional restrictions when their military's are forward deployed I highly doubt it.

Hey Justice58, how's your defense of DA Nifong working out for you? Getting any new converts lately?

Well Well. If it not one of the brown nosing crowd? How does it feel to have your head up someone's....? Geez, pull out and take a breather!

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Justice 58:
I take it you believe in fairy dust and unicorns.

Nope. I believe in hope, baby! It's what President Obama has given to this country. We can hope again, believe again. We can once again believe in the American dream. We can begin to build our image to the rest of the world of what America really stands for.

Okay. I'm getting weepy again. Let me hold it together. President Obama will bring the country out of this horrible financial crisis so people won't be losing their homes, jobs etc. We'll have affordable healthcare.

Shawn, I voted for him, gave him my money, made phone calls for him, drove people to the polls to vote. And I'll do it all over again for President Barack Obama. With his sweet fine self.

Yes We Did! (Wink)

j58 - "Well Well. If it not one of the brown nosing crowd? How does it feel to have your head up someone's....? Geez, pull out and take a breather!

That's "rich" coming from someone who spent months defending nifong and the asshat (racial identity much?) that made a false rape charge.

Let me guess, when nifong loses all the lawsuits filed against him you'll turn over all your financial assets to help him defray the millions in fines awarded in compensation?

Right?

Hey shawn,

U sound like a cry-baby so I be nice with you and point out just one hole in ur comment. The reason republicans LOST this election was that people wanted CHANGE. George Bush is the Poster-Boy of rigid conservatism and he did listen to his crazy constituency which wanted war, American Isolationism, Financial Deregulation and other crazines. They got it and decided it was not so pretty. They decided okay they would like change and presto BHO.

So people do want change and ur party is going to listen to them and become less RIGID.The truth is everyone is a liberal in one form or another. Conservatism is DEAD and the only way the republican party can matter in the next 20 yrs is if they move further along to the left.

You would know that if u read dailykos.

P.S. Sour apples are a great way to save. Taste almost as bad as Sour grapes but in less demand; therefore cheaper.

I hope Obama is not a failure in that I hope he suceeds in doing things right for the country.

That being said I dont see him doing too many things right for the country.

This is like the US getting condemned by the UN for 8 years and then going "umm okay you think you know better you do it"

It is easy to sit back and sharpshoot. It is a lot harder to stand up and lead.

Let me guess, when nifong loses all the lawsuits filed against him?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA

He's not going to lose! You're too funny,Marc.

Nice try tho!

Although, from the sound of it, I'll probably need a shower afterward.

Or at least a good delousing.

Thanks for being cordial.

Of course, it was polite disagreement. :-) Unlike I have with some people over at a certain blue-ish portion of Wizbang. :-I

Conservatism is DEAD

Obviously you have no clue what true conservatism is. A lot of good your "education" at Kuz did ya.

j58 - "He's not going to lose! You're too funny,Marc."

First thing you've had correct, however funny as I may be I'm far, FAR advanced in my ability to predict the outcome of the suits filed.

That would be in direct opposition to your many, and far-fetched, predictions on the original case that ALL proved to be laughably WRONG..

Brilliant post, Sir. Your contention that success for Obama is NOT necessarily a success for our nation is a simple, but extraordinarily important point that needs to become the mantra of the conservatives over the next four years.

It was the elites who own the media that elected Obama, and he will play savior as long as they find him useful. Hopefully, he will have some conscience left in the midst of all that programming, although it may cost him.

I will miss making my own medical care decisions.

Jones,

Obviously, you have never needed a procedure that your health insurance didn't cover.

Heckuva job, Shawnie!

If the so-called leftists hated Dubya as much as you say he did (and it would be nice if you agreed that hyperbolist's reasons for hating Dubya were factually correct), then you have to explain Dubya's approval ratings in early 2002. Not a scaredy-cat reaction to 9/11 but respect for the man who actually gave evidence to other countries of the Taliban's complicity in 9/11. It's a shame he switched to a "you're either for us or against us" mentality, isn't it. And a shame he couldn't be bothered to read about his hero Winston Churchill's experience in Iraq before authorizing an invasion without a vision for the place afterwards. And a shame that his economic knowledge was limited to failed companies and to being the shill for a Texas Rangers ownership making its money from acquiring new tax breaks.

And why does any self-respecting conservative accept Gov. Palin's 2007 increase of oil company taxes and "sharing the wealth" (her words) with Alaskans - some of whom never worked a day in their lives? Obama is an *improvement* on that!