Stefanie Pomponi Butler at MOMocrats, a Daily Kos site for Leftist moms, refuses to consider Sarah Palin a legitimate candidate because she's a conservative, pro-life woman who didn't get to where she is on her husband's coattails. Her attitude toward Governor Palin is far more sexist and far more condescending than Obama's and the Obamamedia's attitude toward Hillary. Some women can be so catty. A portion:
Note, I said running mate, because Vice President? I don't think so. In fact, a month ago, Palin was dissing the VP job. And not in the "Don't pick me (PICK ME!)" way. As in the "I don't know what a VP does" way.Sarah Palin, you and I see eye-to-eye on practically nothing. You are a woman, a mother, a working mother, your job(s) are hard. I know this, but, I feel a little bit sorry for you. You've allowed yourself to be a pawn in the Republicans' game and yet you seem like a smart person. You were chosen to pander to Hillary Clinton supporters. Let's not pussyfoot around that. You addressed those 18 million voters in your speech today. Palin, McCain, we see right through your scheme. Hillary Clinton supporters who would vote for McCain simply because he chose a female running mate don't support the issues and core values that Hillary Clinton stands for. We know that, Hillary Clinton knows that, and McCain, you best believe that that's the truth...
Trying to build up your glaring lack of experience into a curriculum vitae that comes close to Biden or Obama in 60+ days until the election? That's going to be a tall order, but I'll be watching.
That's one sorry display of ignorance. Governor Palin has far more experience than Obama. She's got executive experience. She's met a budget. She's taken on corruption and defeated it. She's got vast knowledge of energy, which is a very important national security issue. Your issue with her is that's pro-life, and since you require your women to bow down at the altar of abortion, she's just not good enough for you.
Then Stefania continues:
When McCain goes down, and go down he will, he will say, "But at least I picked a woman." That may seem like a positive but it isn't. You'll be a scapegoat. The fall girl, if you will. And then it's back to moose burgers and ice fishing for you.
Stay catty classy, MOMocrats.
Update: CNN's host asks that if Palin will neglect her special needs child by running for Vice President. No he didn't use those exact words, but his meaning was clear. So CNN is still stuck in the 1950's I see. Hat tip: Hot Air. (I reworded the first sentence of this paragraph because it sucked.)
Lorie adds: Palin responds to critcs -- while shopping!



Comments (60)
("she's just good enough fo... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Falze | August 29, 2008 4:43 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
("she's just good enough for you" you need a 'not' in there, Kim.)
Anyway...liberals have been known to throw oreos at black republicans...what do they throw at pro-life women candidates?
1. Posted by Falze | August 29, 2008 4:43 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:43
2. Posted by Jen @ JenuineJen | August 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Great post, Kim! (As always!)
2. Posted by Jen @ JenuineJen | August 29, 2008 4:47 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:47
3. Posted by FlaLady | August 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
I completely agree. The Dems try to lump all women together and say we all want the same things. How insulting is that? Bravo for John McCain and the Republican party with this historic choice.
3. Posted by FlaLady | August 29, 2008 4:48 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:48
4. Posted by Darr West | August 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Score: -24 (28 votes cast)
It will be fun to see Biden wipe the floor with her supposed "experience". Maybe making pies and cookies. But let's face it with her own "Troppergate" scandal, she's just another stupid conservative. She wants to kill poler bears for oil, she believes in backroom abortion which will kill our young women in this country.
She's not ready to lead, she has her own crown to bear. Hey that's funny!
4. Posted by Darr West | August 29, 2008 4:48 PM |
Score: -24 (28 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:48
5. Posted by Kim Priestap | August 29, 2008 4:49 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Falze,
Got the "not." Thanks for heads up.
5. Posted by Kim Priestap | August 29, 2008 4:49 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:49
6. Posted by Stefania | August 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Score: -14 (24 votes cast)
Hi Kim,
Gender has nothing to do with my criticism of Palin's qualifications. I didn't mention her pro-life stance so please do not put words into my mouth.
You do a great disservice to women by couching any criticism of Palin by a woman as "catty." If you took the time to read MOMocrats you will see that we've been critical of many candidates and many issues. This is the first time my critical analysis has been called "catty."
She is not a qualified CANDIDATE regardless of gender, and worse, because she IS a woman she is being used by the Republicans to appeal to the 18 million women who voted for Hillary Clinton. I am offended that John McCain has such little regard for the intellect and judgment of women. As I said it my post, we are better than that.
Stefania
6. Posted by Stefania | August 29, 2008 4:53 PM |
Score: -14 (24 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:53
7. Posted by ExSubNuke | August 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Wow. That didn't take long.
7. Posted by ExSubNuke | August 29, 2008 4:54 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:54
8. Posted by Falze | August 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
You know, there have been a lot of ignorant troll posts today, Darr. But I think you win. Pin a rose on your nose.
8. Posted by Falze | August 29, 2008 4:54 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:54
9. Posted by Peter F. | August 29, 2008 4:55 PM | Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
...what do they throw at pro-life women candidates?
Panties, a la Tom Jones.
It will be fun to see Biden wipe the floor with her supposed "experience". Maybe making pies and cookies.
Just like it will be fun to watch McCain blister Obama on his profound inexperience.
She wants to kill poler bears for oil, she believes in backroom abortion which will kill our young women in this country.
You've watched "Happy Feet" once too often. And the second clause in your, um, sentence needs a comma. Oh, and it's just flat stupid.
Ah, the misogyny took all of what, five minutes? Nice job.
9. Posted by Peter F. | August 29, 2008 4:55 PM |
Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:55
10. Posted by lizzie | August 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Score: -18 (22 votes cast)
She's under investigation in an ETHICS probe!! That should say it all. Republicans cannot survive anymore corruption crap. McCain can't find anyone willing to serve with him besidesan ethically challenged inexperienced woman from Alaska. McCain dog would have been better for Republicans. I'm sorry, I'm embarrasses to be a Republican today. Freakin Pat Buchanan just dissed Mccain for his choice calling her the anti - intellectual. we're in BIG trouble people!
10. Posted by lizzie | August 29, 2008 4:57 PM |
Score: -18 (22 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 16:57
11. Posted by Peter F. | August 29, 2008 5:01 PM | Score: 18 (22 votes cast)
She is not a qualified CANDIDATE regardless of gender, and worse, because she IS a woman she is being used by the Republicans to appeal to the 18 million women who voted for Hillary Clinton.
Here, let's fix this sentence and apply it to Obama:
He is not a qualified CANDIDATE regardless of race, and worse, because he IS a man of mixed heritage he is being used by the Democrats to appeal to the millions of African Americans, Hispanics and guilt-ridden white people* who voted for Bill Clinton.
There, that sums YOUR candidate.
*Thank you Shelby Steele for an amazing book, as always.
11. Posted by Peter F. | August 29, 2008 5:01 PM |
Score: 18 (22 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:01
12. Posted by Kim Priestap | August 29, 2008 5:09 PM | Score: 16 (20 votes cast)
Stefania,
She most certainly is a qualified candidate, a more qualified one than Obama in fact. She's a governor and a damn good one at that. She's accomplished more than Obama. She's got more relevant experience than Obama, especially in the area of energy. And your attitude most certainly is catty as well as condescending not only toward Governor Palin but toward women like me who support her and there are millions of us.
12. Posted by Kim Priestap | August 29, 2008 5:09 PM |
Score: 16 (20 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:09
13. Posted by kbiel
| August 29, 2008 5:15 PM | Score: 15 (15 votes cast)
13. Posted by kbiel
| August 29, 2008 5:15 PM |
Score: 15 (15 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:15
14. Posted by Paul Hooson | August 29, 2008 5:19 PM | Score: -21 (23 votes cast)
Well, John McCain certainly made an attempt to capture a little news headlines after the awe inspiring speech of Barack Obama to 84,000 yesterday in Denver and millions more than even the Olympics watching at home on TV yesterday. Whether it turns out to be good news for McCain will certainly depend on the ability of Sarah Palin to prove herself.
14. Posted by Paul Hooson | August 29, 2008 5:19 PM |
Score: -21 (23 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:19
15. Posted by Deb | August 29, 2008 5:23 PM | Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
I am sooo sick of the thought process that if you are pro-life, pro-family with a mom and a dad, then you are not smart. You are right on one thing she was brought in part to try to get some of the Hilary supporters but more than that she was she was brought in to bring in the conservative base. I am part of that and up until today I was one of those republicans that was going to hold their nose and vote for McCain. Today I have hope...if he is smart enough to pick Gov. Palin then there is hope. She is the best example of that you can be anything you want to be for my teenage girl.
15. Posted by Deb | August 29, 2008 5:23 PM |
Score: 12 (14 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:23
16. Posted by retired military | August 29, 2008 5:25 PM | Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
"It will be fun to see Biden wipe the floor with her supposed "experience". Maybe making pies and cookies."
How many Vice Presidential debates do you remember? THey usually only have one per election vs the (usually) 3 for President.
Personally I think she will hold her own against Biden. Just because she is a relative unknown to a lot of people doesnt mean that she isnt smart and doesnt know how to answer questions.
Looking at the McCain Obama debate I think Obama is in trouble unless of course he gets the questions beforehand from the mainstream media (*Gasp* say that it aint so). Regardless he has trouble without a teleprompter and given the fact that he seems (at least to me) to change his views depending upon his audience vs standing on one set of beliefs I think that any gaffs which Palin may have in the VP debate will be vastly overshadowed by the "above my paygrade" answers from Obama.
Strange how the women libbers throw yet another woman under the bus because they are republicans.
If McCain had picked Condi Rice than you would have said she was picked because of her color. She can easily wipe the floor with Biden as she did during numerous Senate grillings. BUt that wouldnt have mattered the only thing the dmes would have seen is her color.
16. Posted by retired military | August 29, 2008 5:25 PM |
Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:25
17. Posted by xiaolinmama | August 29, 2008 5:31 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
I'm looking forward to the VP debates - now that should be entertaining!
17. Posted by xiaolinmama | August 29, 2008 5:31 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:31
18. Posted by Kevin | August 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Score: 9 (15 votes cast)
Darr (maybe Durrr would be more accurate):
1. Palin has more experience than Obama.
2. That "scandal" is laughable. She's been found completely not at fault through the entire investigation. The Alaskan people think the whole thing is ridiculous, and let's face it, they know more than you about the whole thing.
3. Ahh, it's the fact that she's against killing babies that's upset you, huh? Awww. Maybe if people would use their brains to think rather than their genitals, they'd use birth control to start with. Nah, much more fun to kill the unborn. That way the baby has no rights, nor do the men who father those children. Must keep the feminazis happy!
18. Posted by Kevin | August 29, 2008 5:33 PM |
Score: 9 (15 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:33
19. Posted by Clay | August 29, 2008 5:39 PM | Score: 16 (16 votes cast)
I'm embarrasses to be a Republican today.
I'm more embarrassed if you're a Republican. But, I'm betting you're not.
we're in BIG trouble people!
...and if I'm correct in guessing that you're not a Republican, then I'll agree with you. You Obamanites are in very deep trouble.
19. Posted by Clay | August 29, 2008 5:39 PM |
Score: 16 (16 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:39
20. Posted by Sean P | August 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
This is actually, in fairness, probably a true statement:
"Hillary Clinton supporters who would vote for McCain simply because he chose a female running mate don't support the issues and core values that Hillary Clinton stands for."
However, Pomponi ignores the fact is a lot of Hillary supporters DIDN'T support the issues and core values Hillary stood for, and by her own admission those voters (a bigger block Pomponi thinks) could be ripe for the picking.
20. Posted by Sean P | August 29, 2008 5:40 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:40
21. Posted by Kristin | August 29, 2008 5:44 PM | Score: -15 (15 votes cast)
How Insulting
If John McCain was truly interested in picking a woman who has leadership qualities, experience and a track record that extends farther back than 21 months, here is a list that he should have considered.
What the choice of Sarah Palin shows is that McCain is comfortable with women only if they don't match his skill level or experience. Apparently, instead of choosing someone who could be a real partner, a qualified leader, McCain only wants a prop.
So, who could he have chosen instead?
Kay Bailey Hutchinson - Senator from Texas
Olene Walker - Governor of Utah
Elizabeth Dole - Senator from North Carolina and Former Secretary of Transportation and Labor
Olympia Snowe - Senator from Maine
Susan Collins - Senator from Maine
Lisa Murkowski - Senator from Alaska
Condolezza Rice - Secretary of State
Christine Todd Whitman - Former Governor of New Jersey, former Secretary of the Interior
21. Posted by Kristin | August 29, 2008 5:44 PM |
Score: -15 (15 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:44
22. Posted by cirby | August 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
The Veep debates?
Yeah, "the smartest man in the room (and he knows it)" versus a woman who is definitely not a wallflower, and not dim by any reasonable definition.
Biden's going to come off exactly as everyone can expect - as a snotty asshole, who will try to look down his nose at Governor Palin as often as possible. This does NOT go over well with most Americans.
...and then Biden has to contend with reality - a smart, accomplished woman who had the nickname "Sarah Barracuda" in high school basketball. This won't turn out like most Democrats hope.
22. Posted by cirby | August 29, 2008 5:45 PM |
Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:45
23. Posted by ExSubNuke | August 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Well, as a dyed in the wool conservative, this sure does make me feel more comfortable voting for McCain. To be honest, I really wanted Romney or Thomson to be the GOP nominee. McCain was my LAST choice, and I've been feelilng absolutly horrid that the only reason I would be voting for him is that I think an Obama presidency would be disasterous. It would have been a first for me, of not voting "for" someone, but specifically voting "against" someone.
McCain picking Palin makes it so that I really will be voting "for" him. Ever since Wizbang brought her to my attention, it's been my secret hope that she'd be the one that got the nod. Glad McCain made the decision he did. :)
23. Posted by ExSubNuke | August 29, 2008 5:45 PM |
Score: 11 (11 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:45
24. Posted by StevefromMKE | August 29, 2008 5:54 PM | Score: 9 (13 votes cast)
Are you libtards seriously going to paint Palin as inexperienced?
24. Posted by StevefromMKE | August 29, 2008 5:54 PM |
Score: 9 (13 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:54
25. Posted by retired military | August 29, 2008 5:56 PM | Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
"Elizabeth Dole - Senator from North Carolina and Former Secretary of Transportation and Labor
Olympia Snowe - Senator from Maine
Susan Collins - Senator from Maine"
Kristin
Those would have all lost him votes.
As for Condi Rice I would have loved if he had picked her. However, I doubt that she would have taken the job had it was offered. Besides if he had chose her (and she accepted) then I am sure you and a LOT of other liberals would be saying he chose her becuase she is black (totally ignoring 8 years as Sec Of state and National security advisor, and the fact she speaks 5 languages and got a masters at I believe 21.) The only thing that would be said was "He only chose her because she is black"
25. Posted by retired military | August 29, 2008 5:56 PM |
Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 17:56
26. Posted by Clay | August 29, 2008 6:11 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Kay Bailey Hutchinson - Pro-choice
Olene Walker - She's 78 years old.
Elizabeth Dole - RINO
Olympia Snowe - RINO
Susan Collins - RINO
Lisa Murkowski - RINO
Condolezza Rice - Pro-choice
Christine Todd Whitman - RINO
26. Posted by Clay | August 29, 2008 6:11 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 18:11
27. Posted by SCSIwuzzy | August 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
lizzie, when your side tosses WJ Clinton, HR "How did those FBI files get in the closet?" Clinton Al "No Controlling Legal Authority" Gore, Jack "Abscam" Murtha, Barney "I didn't know he was running a brothel" Frank, Teddy "I thought she could hold her breath until I came back the next day" Kennedy, Harry "Thanks for the boxing tickets" Reid, Kwame "8 Felony Charges This Year Alone" Kilpatrick, Barbara "Will you take a house bank check?" Boxer, John "Not the father" Edwards and Robert "Kleagle" Bird aside for ethics concerns, then we can talk about an investigation that may turn out to be another disgruntled employee or may lead to something.
But, if you really feel strongly about allegations about ethics, where did the Annenberg money go? What are your thoughts on plagarism?
27. Posted by SCSIwuzzy | August 29, 2008 6:22 PM |
Score: 9 (11 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 18:22
28. Posted by Kristin | August 29, 2008 6:27 PM | Score: -21 (21 votes cast)
Clay,
Perhaps Republicans need to work harder to cultivate women leaders if Palin is all they've got.
28. Posted by Kristin | August 29, 2008 6:27 PM |
Score: -21 (21 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 18:27
29. Posted by epador | August 29, 2008 6:30 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Three possibilities for such early strong attacks:
The wolf pack senses a weakness and is going in for the kill. [I don't buy it]
The little buggers are scared poopless and are throwing everything they can at her in desperation. [I didn't hear anything about the CLintons attacking her yet]
All they know is how to try to try to destroy their opponents. The Obama tactic.
29. Posted by epador | August 29, 2008 6:30 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 18:30
30. Posted by SarahConnor2 | August 29, 2008 7:04 PM | Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Stefania,
As a working mom who wants to see women treated equally, I am tired of feminists like you acting like a woman can only be a feminist if she is liberal. Sarah Palin got where she was on her own. Hillary Clinton rode her husband's coattails. Frankly, a woman staying with a husband who treats her like crap, just because he promised to help her get a Senate seat, has sold out all women who want to be respected based on their merits.
In addition, if experience is such a concern of yours, why are you supporting Obama? It's knee jerk, hypocritical comments like yours that hurt women.
30. Posted by SarahConnor2 | August 29, 2008 7:04 PM |
Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:04
31. Posted by Sean P | August 29, 2008 7:05 PM | Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Kristin:
Your list is full of candidates who McCain would not be able to consider due to their idological differences with the party. Snow and Collins are probably the best the Republican Party could hope for in a dark blue state like Maine, but as the standard bearer for the party, they are a non-starter.
Ditto Olene Walker. I'd never even HEARD of her before, so I had to Google her. Turns out her tenure as Governor was shorter than Palin's (14 months vs 20 months) and it ended because she was unable to secure renomination from her own party, meaning she would have been a lousy pick where the base of the party (who seem to love Palin) is concerned. That's called good politics.
Murkowski? Huh? Picking Palin is patronizing but Murkoski isn't? Her tenure as Senator is barely longer than Palins and she ONLY got the job because she was appointed by her dad (who Palin defeated in a Primary, which should tell you how much pull he -- and she -- would have).
Dole? She's as old as McCain. Are you even for real?
Rice and Whitman? I got three words: "Bush Administration official". That phrase would have become part of their legal name by election day if McCain had picked them. And Whitman has an even bigger RINO problem than Collins or Snowe.
The only semi-plausible candidate you mentioned was Hutchinson and frankly she strikes me as pretty dull and unimpressive, and she isn't particularly popular with the base. Reasonable minds can differ but I totally fail to see how picking Palin over Hutcinson would be insulting.
31. Posted by Sean P | August 29, 2008 7:05 PM |
Score: 10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:05
32. Posted by JFO | August 29, 2008 7:08 PM | Score: -9 (11 votes cast)
Epador
Only one possibility for such early strong attacks:
THE CAMPAIGN IS ON
Good grief wingnuts, stop lifting your skirts and waiving your hankies in faux outrage - the battle is on. It's not like you folks haven't been taking your shots for the past week. Good grief, you sound like sissies in a schoolyard.
By the way - George Will (you know that ultra conservative columnist who happens to be very bright) wrote a column a few months ago in which he concluded the LEAST experienced person to be president was Abraham Lincoln.
The problem isn't Palin - I'm sure she bakes good cookies - the problem is McSame McBush and the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of really old, really white folks who are the backbone of your party.
depp=true
notiz=You are really really old.
32. Posted by JFO | August 29, 2008 7:08 PM |
Score: -9 (11 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:08
33. Posted by HughS | August 29, 2008 7:09 PM | Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
This was an absolutely brilliant decision by the McCain campaign.
The Palin story today has eclipsed what was intended to be a transcendent moment for the Obama campaign last night. Obama has been taken off message again, at what was to be his finest hour and you can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth on the left.
But the Palin pick pays dividends too. She will galvanize the heretofore recalcitrant Republican base that McCain has battled throughout the primaries. McCain hasn't brought the base into the fold with this pick, he has joined the base.
Much has been made of the Hillary vote here, but remember that there is a very large demographic of conservative women voters that does not get any where near as much media attention as traditional liberal women voters. I'll go on record now to predict that this demographic is a silent majority that will carry McCain to victory.
33. Posted by HughS | August 29, 2008 7:09 PM |
Score: 11 (13 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:09
34. Posted by WildWillie | August 29, 2008 7:11 PM | Score: 8 (12 votes cast)
epador, I use the screeching level of the liberal left to gauge how well the republicans are doing. They are beside themselves, so McCain did a very good thing for the party. Obama has less experience then Palin. HOw great is that. She is articulate, thinks on her feet, knows where she is going and most of all, can speak off the cuff. Obama cannot say anything unless it is on a teleprompter. I just saw the Obamanator of the news and he was asked a question about Palin and he just muttered and Um'ed himself to death.
Paul Hooson, 80K was in the stadium. Why do you have to exagerate that? Also, when the only thing on tv is the convention, what do you think they are going to watch? Duh! ww
34. Posted by WildWillie | August 29, 2008 7:11 PM |
Score: 8 (12 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:11
35. Posted by Eliza | August 29, 2008 7:34 PM | Score: -7 (11 votes cast)
I actually tend to agree with Pomponi. Nothing in Palin's career or experience qualifies her to be commander in chief. McCain said he was going to pick someone who was ready to be president on day one, first and foremost. Once again, McCain has let us down. What, he thinks just because we're women and pro-life that any pick who fits that will do? How stupid does he think we are!
35. Posted by Eliza | August 29, 2008 7:34 PM |
Score: -7 (11 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:34
36. Posted by Tree | August 29, 2008 7:39 PM | Score: -10 (12 votes cast)
Well, I'm done with this election. I'm not even going to vote now. Why couldn't he have picked Romney? This is a joke. I feel like it's like a fake campaign and he doesn't even want to win.
36. Posted by Tree | August 29, 2008 7:39 PM |
Score: -10 (12 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:39
37. Posted by Gel | August 29, 2008 7:41 PM | Score: -10 (10 votes cast)
If she can't debate any better than she can speak (anyone else see the Time interview), then we better start planning for 2012 right now.
37. Posted by Gel | August 29, 2008 7:41 PM |
Score: -10 (10 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:41
38. Posted by HughS | August 29, 2008 7:50 PM | Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
If she can't debate any better than she can speak
The trolls are so easily spotted here...
Read this:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/851orcjq.asp?pg=1
I'm not worried about Biden either.
38. Posted by HughS | August 29, 2008 7:50 PM |
Score: 9 (9 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:50
39. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 7:52 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
RE:26 Exactly Clay! The straws they grasp at! Wow. Do they think that no else thinks?
39. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 7:52 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 19:52
40. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 8:07 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
I had to work late and got the rare (for me) dipleasure of listening to Micheal Savage on the way home. He doesn't like this at all and in fact said almost the exact same thing as Tree (#36). Savage is a wacko, IMHO so to me his not liking this is a really good thing.
It occurred to me that today is the most excited I've been this entire election season, at least since the day I voted in the Michigan primary. And it appears that I'm not alone.
Yes, this is a good day.
40. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 8:07 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 20:07
41. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 8:12 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Lots of "us's" and "we's" from people I've not seen posting here before today, too. Yet pretty much everyone who's been here a while is known to be on the right is happy about this.
Kinda odd, that.
41. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 8:12 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 20:12
42. Posted by mvargus | August 29, 2008 8:25 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
The decision to select Palin puts a fork in any liberal delusions of a cakewalk victory, which is why they are pulling out all sorts of lies and distortions. Palin is going to appeal to the blue-collar voters who will decide Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. with both Florida and Virginia starting to poll very badly for the Obamanation, they cannot risk losing those 3 states. Palin also will boost McCain in the west, where the donks were thinking they could pick off Montana, Nevada and New Mexico. Those states will almost certainly start polling for McCain/Palin.
And remember the big O is running through money faster than he brings it in, which is a huge part of why he turned his back on public financing. His campaign is bloated and falling apart.
And I really don't have any fear of the few fakes who claim to be GOP members, but are throwing a fit over the selection of Palin. Most of them are really Donks who are hoping to somehow deflat the bounce McCain is going to get from this. Especially as Obambi got a dead cat bounce from the convention.
42. Posted by mvargus | August 29, 2008 8:25 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 20:25
43. Posted by mvargus | August 29, 2008 8:28 PM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
No surprise, Michelle Malkin's site as well as Hot Air and Right Wing News are seeing the same thing. The regulars are almost unanimous in their very empathic approval, but all of a sudden there are a few strangers and liberal trolls who are trying to make this sound like a desperation move by McCain.
In truth, its probably the best possible pick, especially after the Big "O" selected Biden.
43. Posted by mvargus | August 29, 2008 8:28 PM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 20:28
44. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 8:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
duh, that should've been "no one else thinks?" in #39
44. Posted by P. Bunyan | August 29, 2008 8:48 PM |
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Posted on August 29, 2008 20:48
45. Posted by Upset Old Guy | August 29, 2008 9:17 PM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
This noon-time, as I listened to Gov. Palin speak, I realized I had nothing to be Upset about today. I'm still an Old Guy, but I'm not Upset. McCain is right on defense and the GWOT, and he's picked an outstanding running mate.
BTW, the Big O is demonstrating a pretty consistent track record in picking/voicing the wrong thing as a first response to events in this campaign. Palin: he lies by ommission (left out the fact that she is the sitting Gov), while dissing both a town and state. Georgia: he saw provocation on both sides (the Russian's excuse). Ayers: just a guy that lives in his neighborhood, very mainstream. Rev. Wright: we were just listening to little sound bites, we didn't know the man. And then he touts his judgement as a qualification?!? Tomorrow I'll be upset about this stuff, but not today.
45. Posted by Upset Old Guy | August 29, 2008 9:17 PM |
Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 21:17
46. Posted by Oyster | August 29, 2008 10:08 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
cirby, I'm with ya there. I try to talk politics with my husband and all too often he just dismisses me with a roll of his eyes saying that I'm "just too serious about it". (I have to keep reminding myself that he's from Italy where they've had 50+ governments since WWII) Well, he's right in his assumption about my seriousness. But he's always surprised that I'm more right than I'm wrong.
I brought up your very point with him tonight. Biden might very well walk into his debate with Palin with the mindset that she's just a woman, not as seasoned as he and he is just self-absorbed enough for that to be to his detriment. He is just the kind of person that might underestimate his opponent because of an over-inflated sense of himself.
I could be wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. But I know people like Joe. And they usually have a gun aimed at their own feet.
Joe had better do his homework - and have it checked.
And HughS:
"...but remember that there is a very large demographic of conservative women voters that does not get any where near as much media attention as traditional liberal women voters."
Um, that would be me, Kim, Lorie, SarahConnor, Maggie, and many other women not mentioned but comment here regularly (some because there's just not enough room and others because I'm not really sure who's a boy and who's a girl:)) And just about the only attention we get from the legacy media is "shush now, the men are talking".
46. Posted by Oyster | August 29, 2008 10:08 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 22:08
47. Posted by Falze | August 29, 2008 10:27 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
I'd just like to chime in that I'm really proud of the way the regular conservatives are embracing this pick and debating its merits intelligently...and also refusing to be drawn into doing much more than embarrassing the trolls and shrugging them off. That demonstrates to me that people are pretty securely on board with the pick and don't feel like they need to defend their support of it to themselves because they're not really sure they like it. Nice. Keep it up everybody, McCain has somehow managed to do what almost no one thought he could do and that is fire up the conservative base...stay upbeat, McCain may not have been our first choice, but he's better than a communist.
47. Posted by Falze | August 29, 2008 10:27 PM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 22:27
48. Posted by Oyster | August 29, 2008 10:44 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Stephanie, you might want to re-evaluate whence your opposition of Palin came. It's simply a partisan meme you're touting here. "Pawn in the Republicans' game"?
Even worse: "Moose burgers and ice fishing"?
Not a one specific word about her actual qualifications. Or in your opinion, her lack thereof. Nope. Just those nasty Republicans and some derogatory reference to the state she's from.
"Women: we are better than this."
I certainly hope so.
48. Posted by Oyster | August 29, 2008 10:44 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 22:44
49. Posted by Brian | August 29, 2008 11:11 PM | Score: -8 (8 votes cast)
I'd just like to chime in that I'm really proud of the way the regular conservatives are embracing this pick and debating its merits intelligently...and also refusing to be drawn into doing much more than embarrassing the trolls and shrugging them off.
What blog are you reading? Because it's certainly not this one.
49. Posted by Brian | August 29, 2008 11:11 PM |
Score: -8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on August 29, 2008 23:11
50. Posted by John Irving | August 30, 2008 2:51 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Well, John McCain certainly made an attempt to capture a little news headlines after the awe inspiring speech of Barack Obama to 84,000 yesterday in Denver and millions more than even the Olympics watching at home on TV yesterday. Whether it turns out to be good news for McCain will certainly depend on the ability of Sarah Palin to prove herself.
Proof that Palin is the wining choice. It left Paul Hoosonandonandonandon practically speechless.
50. Posted by John Irving | August 30, 2008 2:51 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on August 30, 2008 02:51
51. Posted by HughS | August 30, 2008 8:30 AM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Oyster
Your comment #46 above:
I think one of the regular writers here needs to focus on this issue because the accepted wisdom (actually, lack of) in the legacy media is that this group of women voters is small, passive, subservient and uninformed. Nothing could be further from the truth and I truly think this is a stealth voter block that is becoming energized.
For example, I have have an office across the hall from a large group of child psychologists (all women) whom I speak with fairly regularly as I see them in the elevator or in the hallway and at Holiday gatherings. They know my political positions but have never offered their own opinions ( out of professional discretion, I think).
Yesterday afternoon I passed two of them in the parking and they shouted "Hey, Hugh! Sarah Palin...awesome!" I think this is going on everywhere and is a story waiting to be told.
51. Posted by HughS | August 30, 2008 8:30 AM |
Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Posted on August 30, 2008 08:30
52. Posted by Mark Ducharme
| August 30, 2008 4:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Not to be picky but, re:
I thought old Shrillary recieved 18 million TOTAL votes. Oh that's right, she's got that special "lockbox" containing liberal mens' er...um..., well, I'll just say, effectively rending their manhood asunder.New and Improved Version of this Post: "18 million nutless, castrate cast their votes for the one with the shears."
"Castrate the Vote" huh? Isn't that the cable channel, Oxygens', slogan to get feminists voting?
52. Posted by Mark Ducharme
| August 30, 2008 4:07 PM |
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Posted on August 30, 2008 16:07
53. Posted by Mark Ducharme
| August 30, 2008 4:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sorry, the linethrough on castrate worked in the preview.
53. Posted by Mark Ducharme
| August 30, 2008 4:09 PM |
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Posted on August 30, 2008 16:09
54. Posted by PunditMom | August 31, 2008 4:21 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
FYI, MOMocrats is NOT affiliated w/ the Daily Kos.
54. Posted by PunditMom | August 31, 2008 4:21 PM |
Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on August 31, 2008 16:21
55. Posted by lisa | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
She's unpatriotic and you're all hipocrites. Obama doesnt have experience but she does? He managed a better running multi-million dollar campaign for longer than she's been in office! You guys are calling barack unpatriotic, but he didnt use his position to try to get hawaii to secede from the Union. This is america, Palin!
55. Posted by lisa | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM |
Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 3, 2008 12:14
56. Posted by Anon | September 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Long live Queen Sarah......
56. Posted by Anon | September 3, 2008 6:21 PM |
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Posted on September 3, 2008 18:21
57. Posted by Anon | September 3, 2008 6:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok speaking of Queens. Queens (VP) all over the world have done the job that Sarah is running for for thousands of years with many more children running around under there feet and had no problem.
So for you libs :P
57. Posted by Anon | September 3, 2008 6:29 PM |
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Posted on September 3, 2008 18:29
58. Posted by anon | September 3, 2008 11:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I've been looking over some of these comments here and you people aren't anything more than a bunch of whiny, cry babies. McCain knew what he was getting into he's a brillant man for chosing Palin.
The Libs got blindsided and the American Public love here. I was at the rally in O'fallon MO the Sunday and the crowd cheered louder for Palin than they did for McCain
I knew a lot of peole that changed there minds and are now voting for McCain because of his choise.
Just hang in there and the Republicans will pull though. You can count on it
WE HAVE GOD ON OUR SIDE
58. Posted by anon | September 3, 2008 11:48 PM |
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Posted on September 3, 2008 23:48
59. Posted by Maru | September 4, 2008 1:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
These liberal democrats want to keep on killing our AMERICAN CHILDREN!! This is intrinsically EVIL!! to snuff out the life of the baby from the only place they have, the womb of their own mother!!. The "choice" was done when they decided to lay down with the guy they got them pregnant, and one day they will have to answer to GOD!!
The child is NOT a choice!!! IT IS A CHILD!!!
59. Posted by Maru | September 4, 2008 1:54 AM |
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Posted on September 4, 2008 01:54
60. Posted by Carmen | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I must admit, as a moderate, I see both points of few. However, you accused Stefania as being sexist and against Palin because she is pro life but NO WHERE in that portion you attached to your blog did I read a thing about either of those two issues. She was talking about Palin's "experience" (I'm not denying nor confirming that she does have experience, merely throwing out the word that is widely debated) and her being used as pawn. Please explain to me how you drew that conclusion from that portion of the blog. I have not read the other portion since it's not attached.
60. Posted by Carmen | September 9, 2008 5:48 PM |
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Posted on September 9, 2008 17:48