Obama associated with violent anti-war radicals in the 1960s, including some whose acts escalated to terrorism.

You might want to rephrase this one. He didn't associate with the radicals in the 60's; he associated with former 60's radicals in the 90's.

It is actually quite a big difference in meaning.

He is the most liberal person in the Senate. What else did you expect?

Cassy,

You make some points about Obama but at the same time-

"Obama is a Che Guevara fan "

That's as rational as the debate over Obama based on the photo that stirred the blogosphere yesterday. Its called by fallacy by association as Alex Knepp pointed out at OTB

The Nazi Party supported building a large, national highway system.
President Eisenhower supported building a large, national highway system.
Therefore, President Eisenhower was a Nazi.

James Joyner also wrote-

Yes, I'm "interested in rejecting what seems to be easy pandering and hackery." But not simply out of high-mindedness, drug induced or otherwise. Frankly, there are plenty of good reasons for conservatives to oppose electing Obama president. Making mountains of aspiring molehills weakens our case rather than strengthening it.

You also wrote- "As President, Obama is promising us 850 billion dollars in new spending, 850 billion of which will likely be wasted."

It isn't likely 850 billion will be wasted. Out of that some good will come. There are worthwhile projects for the government to assist. That the whole sum of 850 is going to be burned is more than a little over the top. This kind of picking is not all that different than the riddicule shown towards Hillary for picking on Obama's kindergarten record.

There are logical reasons to oppose Obama. I freely admit voting for him in the Florida Democratic primary. What choice did I have? Vote for Hillary then? It will take nothing short of a major miracle to see me vote for a Democrat for President in 2008.

Bill

The National Review nailed it:
"..for a white woman to marry a black man in 1958, or 60, there was almost inevitably a connection to explicit Communist politics. "

And that leads to:
"It was, of course, an explicit tactic of the Communist party to stir up discontent among American blacks, with an eye toward using them as the leading edge of the revolution. "
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM2NDQ3ZWQ1YWM0Y2QyZTUxMDdkY2M2OTJlNGE5MWE=

If we only heeded the warning of the National Review all those years ago:
"The central question that emerges...is whether the white community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically.

The sobering answer is YES -- the white community is entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race."
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3123.html

"Obama is a Che Guevara fan "

That's as rational as the debate over Obama based on the photo that stirred the blogosphere yesterday. Its called by fallacy by association as Alex Knepp pointed out at OTB

I think we're ignoring things that we're later going to get told "Duh! You knew what you were getting. Don't complain now."

Cassy, you forgot one. Obama was inspired and compares himself to and emulates a known atheist and rumored homosexual, and we all know that atheists are Commies.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1077287-2,00.html

More recent link to Rezko and Obama 's relationship. That 's why the liberals are so excited. That 's the hope and change they have been longing for. Obama 's flip-flops are simply "changes" liberals love.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/017121.php

Obama is not the Agent of Change. He is a calculating politician who plays the game the same way politicians have been playing it for hundreds of years - receiving money in exchange for favors from government for his friends and cronies. And if Mike Royko were alive, one has to believe that despite agreeing with his politics, Royko would have been relentless in taking Obama down, hammering away in his own inimitable style at the influence selling, the sweetheart deals, the pay for favors, and all the rest of this sleazy mess.

The sobering answer is YES -- the white community is entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race."
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Looks like liberals loves to play the race card. That 's why the supported the Clintons when they crushed a black candidate in NY in favor of their cronies.

A little of racism and anti-semitism is dandy in Dem primary election. Wonder why liberals are not worried much about racism and anti-semitism in their own party?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/02/jewish_rep_cohen_battles_antis.html

Jewish Rep. Cohen Battles Antisemitism and Racism In Re-Election
If you thought race was an uncomfortable issue in the Democratic presidential primary, wait 'til you get a load of what's going on in the Democratic primary in the Memphis area's 9th District of Tennessee, where a shockingly worded flier paints Jewish Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) as a Jesus hater.

When all is said and done, come November Obama is going to be the new McGovern.

"Obama is going to be the new McGovern.
" - Michael

I don't like thinking how much John McCain reminds me of Nixon ...

Obama also seems to have a problem with wearing a flag pin because to him it's "unpatriotic".

He did not say it's "unpatriotic" (which you put in quotes, but you cannot find an actual quote of him saying that).

He said it's a gesture that became cliched as a superficial indicator of patriotism, even when the bearer was not acting patriotic, and that he preferred to act patriotic rather than simply adjust his wardrobe so as to appeal to the little minds out there.

Man, your entire post could be a course in fallacy and deception.

Man, your entire post could be a course in fallacy and deception.
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Coming from one of the most dishonest little mind out there!

Coming from one of the most dishonest little mind out there!

You really shouldn't insult Bill Jempty like that.

You really shouldn't insult Bill Jempty like that.
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Another dishonest post from one of the most dishonest little minds out there. No wonder he can support Obama!

You obviously need to look up the definition of "dishonst". At least if you're going to hate on me, use accurate words.

Good luck with those horesh** rerasons. That's about the most pathetic list I've ever seen.

Wow, you folks are coming unhinged.

P.S. How often does the presumptive Republican candidate wear a flag lapel?

The Rep saluted the flag while Obama did not. Even Hillary saluted the flag. His actions indicate that he is actually not proud of America. Not wearing a flag pin and making a big deal out of it is the problem. But what do we expect from the JFO liberals? They cannot be honest about who they are and who they support.

So you would agree that photos of McCain, Romney, Bush and Giulliani showing them not wearing a flag pin would demonstrate that they are unpatriotic and undeserving of support from Americans? You would agree wouldn't you?

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutSenatorMcCain.Biography

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mittromney

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24345537@N00/

JFO,
That 's a really silly and cheap spin. Did they make a big deal of not wearing a flag pin? Obama try to make a point about not wearing a flag pin. Coupled that with not saluting the flag when others did. Time to be honest about Obama 's belief instead of all these cheap spins. It is so obviously cheap.

Seeing them literally refuse to render honors to the flag when it's customary and all others around them are doing so would certainly be noteworthy. Flag pins - they're trendy. Saluting the flag is customary. YMMV, but I think Obama did it deliberately to 'stand out'. That doesn't make me think more of him - quite the contrary.

You people are as crazy as Lee over at Wizbang Blue. BTW, when the 1960s radicals were active, Obama was in elementary school. And we've already had genuine 1960s radicals in the White House. They are at this moment trying to subvert the Constitution to win an illegal third term.

The national anthem incident......the flag pin....they feel like they were included in this list just to get it to 10 items. I'm no Obama supporter by a LONG shot, but these two just don't belong here.

These incidents are perfect example of the Dem guiding principle that America is a rotten country. Obama just exemplified that liberal principle. Michelle 's speech about not really proud of America is simply another reflection of that principle. These are just facts. Liberals can just be honest about it. No need to resort to silly and cheap spins.

From the mouths of ignorance:

"His actions indicate that he is actually not proud of America.

"Seeing them literally refuse to render honors to the flag when it's customary and all others around them are doing so would certainly be noteworthy."

All the US code says is to stand in a respectful way when the Anthem is played.

http://www.menc.org/guides/patriotic/reprise.pdf

All the US code says is to stand in a respectful way when the Anthem is played.
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See how ignorant and silly Barney (who loves to play the race card) has become. Liberals have to check the US code to show respect to the flag! Then they complain when people question their patriotism. This is beyond parody.

Oh, the changes that liberals are so excited keep coming

What's that Smell?

I wasn't talking US Code up above, Barney - the custom as I've been taught and generations of kids has been taught is to place your hand over your heart if you're a civilian. I realize it's just jingoistic patriotism, man, designed to keep the little people down, man, and you gotta stand up against the Man, man, otherwise, man, people might think you're part OF the Man... but...

Parading and Saluting the Flag
When carried in a procession, the flag should be to the right of the marchers. When other flags are carried, the flag of the United States may be centered in front of the others or carried to their right. When the flag passes in a procession, or when it is hoisted or lowered, all should face the flag and salute.
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The Salute
To salute, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart. Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge.
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The Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem
The pledge of allegiance should be rendered by standing at attention, facing the flag, and saluting.
When the national anthem is played or sung, citizens should stand at attention and salute at the first note and hold the salute through the last note. The salute is directed to the flag, if displayed, otherwise to the music.

(But for future reference - since you mentioned it, here it is. And here's one for what you do when the flag is being raised, lowered, or passes by. THEY confirm the custom.)

But don't get your panties in a wad, Barney. There's no punishment attached for breaking it. So be sure to bend over and fart loudly at appropriate times, just so people will KNOW you refuse to buckle under to the Man's expectations!

Seriously - if you're going to refer to current US Code, refer to CURRENT US Code. Don't dredge up something 65+ years old that has some resemblance to something that's being referred to in the argument. And for what it's worth, if someone running for President won't even bother to salute the flag of his country at the appropriate time - well, how much respect would HE show ME?

You must know better, so I'm shocked you would link to half-truths, known lies, and simply absurd claims (why, for example, would a person who hates his country want to run for President?).

Conveniently though, you've given me a list of all the stupid attacks Obama has faced and will continue to face. Thanks.

"why, for example, would a person who hates his country want to run for President?"

A-gu -
If you were looking for power - control over as MANY people as possible, as economically powerful a nation as possible, and through that potentially control over the world...

Wouldn't you at least play the game to get into office? Or are you figuring the people you're looking to get elected by are so damn stupid they'll come up with their OWN excuses for your behavior?

A whole lot of folks are convinced Obama is the 'saviour'. I don't like that, because it REALLY smacks of a 'cult of personality' in the making.

Again, I ask "if someone running for President won't even bother to salute the flag of his country at the appropriate time - well, how much respect would HE show ME?" And by extension - the country itself. Are we simply peons to be promised everything and lied to for our votes - and then be used and discarded, or citizens to be respected?

By the way the Democrats have chosen this election cycle, I'm thinking they see you and I as the former.

When the national anthem is played or sung, citizens should stand at attention and salute at the first note and hold the salute through the last note.

So you've saluted the flag whenever you've heard the national anthem? And all those millions of sports stadium attendees do? And if Bush or Reagan failed to salute during the anthem? All of those people are therefore unpatriotic?

What can I say, Brian?

If you're in front of the camera, and the others around you salute the flag - and you don't want to do it...

See what I mean about him thinking you're so stupid and gullible that you'll make up excuses for his behavior?

He can do as he pleases. How I choose to interpret his behavior is up to me. I do think he's playing you for an idiot, however. Part of me admires a salesman that can get you to buy crap like that - but that doesn't mean I think he'd make a good President.

I'd congratulate you on offering a good deflective non-answer... except it wasn't a very good one.

It isn't about what I do or have done, or what OTHERS do, it's about what OBAMA did. And how it was interrpreted by the electorate. Instead, YOU try to deflect it. See what I mean about them thinking you're stupid enough to be fooled into making excuses for him?

If you're seeking to run for high public office, don't you at least want to TRY to avoid pissing off potential voters? If you're figuring it doesn't make a difference, because you've got enough fooled so they'll vote for you WHATEVER you do, then you do as you please.

And if you figure you've got enough of them fooled to where they'll make excuses FOR you - then you're golden. It doesn't matter WHAT you do.

And how it was interrpreted by the electorate.

It was interpreted as a meaningless kerfuffle. It's only right-wing blogs that are still raising the issue.

And yours is a deflection because you ignore your own standard:

If you're in front of the camera, and the others around you salute the flag - and you don't want to do it...

So at the next televised sporting event, when they sing the anthem and the cameras pan the teams standing by, and 2-3 of them have their hands over their hearts and the rest don't, I expect you to denounce them as unpatriotic.

And hey, where's McCain's lapel pin flag in these photos?! Or in this televised ad?! Go back to Canada, pinko!

Regarding the link to the Rezko article, thank you to whomever posted it. You certainly did Obama a favor. After reading the negative compalints on the page by Clinton, I chose to click on the additional link on the page where the actual sellers of the property that was purchased by Obama finally came out to the public to tell exactly what happened.

Maybe you should also check it out for yourself http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogentries/index.html?bbPostId=Cz1VeFnrO5fmhCz7sNEgkr6eaqCzAtfUU1GVjODAsFVanWk6Dl&bbParentWidgetId=B8k88rWwXopuz5STgLeVwBLu
It is amazing how you put all this great information to bash Obama, when you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Obama 2008

Brian -

Just as soon as they run for office - I'll consider it.

Until then, I suggest you hold your breath.