This is what happens when the media decides what's good for us to see and hear. Jim McGreevey, no. Larry Craig, yes. Twin towers falling, no. Daily American soldier body counts, yes. Strong economy under a Republican...not reported as such. Same economy under a Democrat...the greatest economy in the past 100 years.

"It's easy to see that we have in the cut-and-runners..."

Isn't that a majority of Americans?

Instant litmus test: If you can't remember the year 9/11 occurred, your views on the war don't mean squat. Period. End of discussion.

It's just that simple.

Brings a lot of weight to the Santayana's quote of "those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it."

Study up, kids! No one wants to go through this, again.

No disrespect to the mentally handicapped, but those kids are a bunch of 'tards.

Did they ask students if Iraq was involved in 9/11? A large percentage of the American public still believes it. Wonder where they got that?

You people count on slumbering masses. So it should be good news. Or is that your point?

Obviously they will all now be candidates for Miss/Mr. Teen N. Carolina.

Semanticleo, they "got" that from the relationships that Iraq had with the first WTC bombing crew, and some other thin evidence such as the Czech belief that Atta met an iraqi intel officer in Prague.

Semanticleo: You people count on slumbering masses. So it should be good news.

Ha! Any time you want to institute a test to qualify voters, we're ready!

If it weren't for the ignorant morons turned out by "public education," Democrats would never get elected to anything.

The wonderful thing about our USA...
nuttery can be found ....well...darn near everywhere.
Did ya know your despised Kos...does not allow
9/11 conspiracy diaries....

that aside...
What action has either political taken to hold the Saudi accountable not only for helping to fund and supply the majority of the 9/11 terrorists....
but continue to fund the Sunni in Iraq?

Our Response....sell'em $20 billion in military stuff...
The Saudi do more to surge Islamic fundies than Iran and Saddam ever did...

Anyone who does believe that the Saudi are the biggest threat...not only to our security...but security around the world...
have truly forgotten 9/11

Ha! Any time you want to institute a test to qualify voters, we're ready!

Ha! One of the talk show hosts on KFI has been saying that for quite a while.

One of my liberal acquaintances, a young woman of about twenty one at the time, once quoted "Of the people, by the people, for the people" as justification for extra-Constitutional legislation. I asked her from where she got that idea. She told me it's in the Constitution.

[shrug] What are you supposed to do with that?

of course I meant to type
Anyone who does NOT believe that the Saudi are the biggest threat...not only to our security...but security around the world...
has truly forgotten 9/11

hey typos happen..

Steve, as I recall, Jim McGreevy got quite a bit of coverage. And no coverage of the Twin Towers falling?? Please tell me you're joking. I'm on the other side of the world and it got blanket coverage for about two weeks.

And Jim, I'd like to see a study of voting habits correlated with education and controlled for income. I would suspect that there would be very little relationship. Frankly, the argument that "the other side are morons" doesn't befit a serious commentator.

Oh and incidentally: yes, it is reprehensible and a sad indictment of the public school system that these kids don't know which year 9/11 occurred in. Stipulated.

Nogo...we might be approaching agreement on something. I would add that the Saudi royal family is not a direct threat, but any failure by House of Saud to control the crazies boiling underneath them is a direct threat to the U S.

Does Cassy ever respond in comments?

Just askin'.

If not, it might be out of respect for the 'Peter Principle'.

hey typos happen..

hey, so do nogo's...

Semanticleo, so far she's responded to every coherent and insightful comment you've made.

If not, it might be out of respect for the 'Peter Principle'.

True. She probably recognizes it in you.

Please tell me you're joking. I'm on the other side of the world and it got blanket coverage for about two weeks.

Umm, yeah. Two weeks you say? It's been almost 6 years and the media here yawn at having to show the footage anymore. Of course, "truthers" just want to see what they want to see.

Cleo

Does Cassy ever respond in comments?

She probably won't respond to yours, unless you want to hear that same old song:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/03/tony-blair-mentions-god.html

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/03/tony-blair-mentions-god.html

http://patterico.com/2007/08/01/ive-wanted-to-post-this-syllogism-since-clyburns-statement/

http://patterico.com/2007/08/13/rove-resigns/

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/07/12/on-getting-screwed/

Want some attention? Pay attention.

> Umm, yeah. Two weeks you say? It's been
> almost 6 years and the media here yawn at
> having to show the footage anymore. Of
> course, "truthers" just want to see what they
> want to see.

Well that's sort of the point, isn't it? It's been six years. Now that doesn't mean it's no longer relevant, it doesn't mean it shouldn't shape foreign policy, and it doesn't mean that anyone should forget, not now, not ever. But the media's job is to report current events, and the fact that they choose not to show footage of the towers collapsing, except perhaps during anniversaries, memorials and so on, doesn't mean that they think they aren't relevant any more.

The wonderful thing about our USA... nuttery can be found ....well...darn near everywhere.

Esp. in nogo's mirror.

Were these students locals? If they were, you might consider the politicsl demographics of Southern California and pause just a moment before making some of the conclusions made above.

As to the media failure to repetively rebroadcast the Twin Towers thru the years, I've heard more than once that consideration is being given to the thousands of people caught in the conflagration. I know that I've heard more than once that one or more of the media outlets avoids , in particular, rerunning footages of the palne crashing into the WTC tower.

Wasn't there a recent study that show high School students who enter college have a net loss of knowledge when the finish college. No need to ask what happened to the self proclaimed educated elite democrats. I can remember exactly where I was when it hit the news on 9-11-01. Sitting in the lounge at the life saving crew. Thirty minutes later we were double stocking ambulances to go where ever we were needed. If I was a college graduate from Ca I wouldn't remember any of that. Liberal college Brainwashing takes away all memory of things the democrats/communist (one and the same) party want you to forget.

Mindless.

Oh, and another thing. I don't buy the whole "brainwashed by liberal college professors to forget 9/11" thing. I suspect if you asked those kids about the Clinton presidency, they won't be able to tell you much beyond the Lewinsky scandal, and I don't think you'd get much on the Great Society initiatives, the Equal Rights Amendment or the New Deal either.

They're ignorant and apathetic, but they're not brainwashed. And yes, I suspect most of them are liberals. College age kids normally are. Just like most of them will be conservatives in their 40s. They follow the herd now; they will follow a different herd then.

Hey, Cleo, not only was Iraq connected with 9/11, but so was Senator Edward Kennedy, not operationally, but aiding and abetting enough to ruin any normal political career.
===================================

not only was Iraq connected with 9/11

And with that comment, kim just jumped the shark.

"The greatest generation would be ashamed. Truly ashamed."

OF course they would be!!! I am not part greatest generation, and I'M ashamed!

Yes most college kids tend to be liberal, then after some LEFTY learning they tend to stay liberal not switch to the opposite ideology.

The liberal college clowns of the 60's (the WORST) generation didn't become conservative----they became Cindy Sheehan!!!

"They're ignorant and apathetic, but they're not brainwashed."

No real proof that they're not brainwashed, either. Or that most of them are liberals. The fact that they (these kids) are ignorant is bad enough. Is your suggestion that most (college) kids are ignorant and apathetic liberals? One more question: Do you suggest that liberal or conservatism is a development phase rather than a political persuasion? The reason I ask is because you mention age.

No, there is no proof that they're not brainwashed - I'm just saying that I don't personally believe that they are.

I would say that most college age kids (not just those at college) don't read that widely and don't take a huge interest in the world around them, so in that respect, yes, they are ignorant and apathetic. As for liberal, well, any demographic survey will tell you that the 18-25 age bracket is disproportionately liberal and disproportionately Democratic voting.

And no, I don't consider politics to be a developmental phase, but I do think that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. I think that there are great number of issues in choosing politics, but the major two would have to be social influence and income. I believe that social influence has more impact on your stance on social issues, and income on economic issues. Which is why you'd see more libertarians than conservatives on the East Coast, and more populists than liberals in the South.

Knightbrigade, there is no evidence whatsoever that the "liberal college clowns" of the 1960s stayed liberal. If they were at college in the hippy era from 1964 to 1969, they were born somewhere between 1943 and 1951, which would put them at between 56 and 64 now.

In 2006, Democrats won the House popular vote by about a 53-45 margin. The 45-59 age bracket voted Democratic by a 53-46 margin; the 60+ voted 50-50. College educated voters split 49-49. In 2004, the 45-59 bracket also accurately reflected the vote, going 51-48 for Bush.

If you have any evidence that college educated vote from the 60s is still radically left, I'd like to see it.

The liberal college clowns of the 60's (the WORST) generation didn't become conservative----they became Cindy Sheehan!!!

No, worse than Cindy Sheehan. Some of them became Senators and a President - Hillary, Bill Clinton, John F'ing Kerry, Chris Dodd,

Why do you promote this America hating, men in uniform humiliating, scum-sucking piece of shit ? What the fuck wizbangs, you guys do some seriously stupid shit sometimes. And Ron Paul can suck my ass, he disgraces his service every time he opens that disgusting hole he calls a mouth.

Man, vomit, just pure vomit. I don't see how you can do a post like that w/o tasting your own vomit. What a piece of fucking shit that price guy is. You should be ashamed, linking an asswipe like that, who doesn't have the balls to do what those men he was spitting on do by 0700 hrs every morning. What the fuck is wrong with you people ? How about if someone takes a mic and a camera and asks him, "Why are you such a pussy? You fucking pussy! If they don't serve, then what are you going to do when the ravenous hordes come in and put you on your knees bitch ? Who's gonna be the fucking 'cannon fodder' then, huh asshole ?"

That guy would shit his pants if he had to stare down the mug of an easy-going DI, let alone the evil bastards who took down the towers. Fuck him, and fuck this post.

pudge

Most folks stopped talking the vile way you do when they graduated from Middle School and entered High School. You're either a prepubescent idiot or just a foul mouthed idiot. You can make a point without sounding like you live in the gutter. Why don't you just clean up your act and make your point. How anyone gets past your first sentence is beyond me.

(I can only imagine what his response will be).

I weep for the future.
I wonder how many of these dolts can tell us how long the 6 Day War was? Probably not many, but I'm sure they all know that George Bush started it.

The History Channel recently had a program on the so-called 9/11 conspiracies, featuring scenes from this idiotic Loose Change film. It thoroughly debunks every conspiracy, but actual scientific facts never seem to make any difference to those invested in shadowy plot theories.
See info on the History Channel program at
http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=240087

This excellent article on the subject from Popular Mechanics was referenced several times in the program:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

RB:"I'd like to see a study of voting habits correlated with education and controlled for income. I would suspect that there would be very little relationship. Frankly, the argument that "the other side are morons" doesn't befit a serious commentator."

Afraid this data suggests otherwise:

Ed. level (pct. voting)
Grade School or Some High School 38.5
High School Graduate 52.5
Some College 63.1
Four Yr. College Graduate 75.4
Advanced Degree 81.9

Family Income ($)
0-24,999 48.0
25,000-49,999 59.7
50,000-74,999 68.0
>75,000 74.2

Afraid this data suggests otherwise:
wavemaker

Actually, that data just suggests that more educated people vote more regularly.

It in no way provides data for how more or less educated people vote with respect to political party, which is the point RB was trying to make (ie there are smart and dumb people who vote for both parties, so no one can claim they have the smarter demographic).

"Did ya know your despised Kos...does not allow
9/11 conspiracy diaries...."

Did ya know...that there are a plethora...of diaries that are...not labeled as such...but there are numerous...diaries with entries...suggesting all manner of 9/11 conspiracies...and lending creedence to many other sites...including the loosechange website...which is linked too many times to count?

~puhleeze~

JFO,
Blow it out yer glory hole,
Once read a post of yours,
King you are ,
Of all the boors

So, next time,
An urge you feel,
To wind your whine and spin deceitful,
Just pull your fist,
From out your love,
And shove your head, 'til he's full.

JFO calling someone else's comments juvenile? Man, that's the poster boy for projection.

How anyone gets past your first sentence is beyond me.

(I can only imagine what his response will be).

34. Posted by JFO

jfo, I'd much rather read pudge's comments, however profane an occasional one might be, than read your beat around the bush, parsing, anti-military, liberal drivel commentary.

And his response to your comment turned out to be pretty danged good.

Note to self: Cease and desist any and all planned attacks on the lineage, intelligence and mating habits of, or the inability to color coordinate by, my dear dear friend, John in Ca (el checkerino)

Hey John - I would have expected nothing less then for you to defend his writing. You're about as honest as the Bush administration. Keep up the good work.

SeanNYC beat me to it, Wavemaker. When I said "voting habits", I meant which party, not how often they vote (although it doesn't surprise me that more educated people vote more.)

Also, by "education controlled for income", I meant examining each educational level (high school, some college, undergraduate, etc.) across the different income levels. I suspect that there wouldn't be a lot of difference, except maybe in the "postgraduate" group, which is disproportionately represented in the very liberal circles of academia and research.

Hey John - I would have expected nothing less then[sic] for you to defend his writing.

speaking of writing. And from a JAG.

You're about as honest as the Bush administration. Keep up the good work.

43. Posted by JFO

Honesty? jfo, if you recall, I'm the one who will call you exactly what I think you are. You, on the other hand, are the one who won't come right out and say what you mean. You're they one who tries to use intimation and inference to call someone a chicken hawk - because you're not honest and you're a chicken shit.