Bang that Whiz!

cool, I'll have to check it out. Maybe I'll agree with them, most probably I won't. At least the "calls to get their own blog" sort of worked, eh?

"Today" ?

I noticed that some of those posts range back to February.

CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY!

/snark

I said I'd been working on it a while :-). We had to have a bit of a "dry run" as well...

OK bryanD[elusional] and barnyRUBBLE, I failed to see your as authors over there.

Here's your chance.

Glad to see this finally going "live" after so many months. My only disappointment is the name. I know it's selfish and egotistical, but I was really, really, really proud of "Wizbang Underground." Charlie Quidnunc's "WizbangDogLake" was also superb.

Anyway, I'm glad to see it finally start. I think I might even go over there and comment on occasion. The phrase "payback's a bitch" comes to mind.

And wouldn't it be sweet, sweet irony if I was to get myself banned from commenting there?

J.

When does it get added to the sidebar?

And as Main Page Editor, I'd like to officially say that I welcome our new leftist underlords.

J.

...but I do expect they want to check in on what's being written at Wizbang Blue regularly.

I like this! It's a good idea, Kevin. And it shows "neo-cons" aren't as closed minded as we often hear we are.

Having been a former dyed-in-the-wool, BaY Area Democrat, I do my best to listen and read the other point of view (I force myself to visit The Nation, Daily Kos, etc. and other progressive media outlets on a near daily basis). Now it'll be one-stop shopping, minus the journalistic, better access to sources bent that comes with a majority of alternative (including conservative) outlets.

Lee, you better be posting articles or I'll Roto Rooter out your stents. (Humor between two heart patients.)

And as Main Page Editor, I'd like to officially say that I welcome our new leftist underlords.

Ah, you can't slip a Simpsons' reference by me, Kent Brockman.

;-)

Sidebar - tomorrow.

Oh and I do love the "unfinished" look of it. It emphasizes that they are SO unprofessional ;)

-snigger-

The "unfinished" part is on me. I wanted to get started...

Now if you could only come up with a Wizbang!Poker section, with cash games that our lovely government couldn't ban with it's stupid, WTO-violating, privacy-invading UIGE Act, sneakily piggybacked on the Ports Bill last October, then I'd be really impressed.

I half kid.

Sorry, I'm really bitter than it takes so much effort to fund my FullTiltPoker.com account.

Great. So now you're actually encouraging the liberals to spread their idiocy. Why waste the time and energy to make such a site? Aren't Huff-n-Puff, DailyKrap, Democrat Blunderground, and a host of other popular kooky leftist sites enough?

Wizbang has officially jumped the shark.

Jason, I appluad Kevin's attempt at adding (hopefully) one more "lefty" blogging site that actually has reasonable discourse (unlike, let's say, DU or Kos). All snarkiness aside above (I was just having fun, you know that, right oh mighty-wizbang-admin?), I do sometimes like to read the other side of the aisle. It's only fair, as I'm sure those on the left LOVE to read conservative websites/blogs.

You and me Peter both. Though Bodog does let you upload with no hassle, cashing out is a bit of a trick though. You can always have them send you a check in the mail though.

Darby:

Depositing is pain in the ass at FTP. Any advice?

(I'm lost at Bodog.)

Thi is a microcosm of political discourse in the states.

Conservatives will go out of their way to listen to libs, and even give them a say, although most times, as in here, it just shows their level of hate and ignorance.

Libs will continue to do all they can to stifle the free speech rights of the right.

Let me know when DU, KOS, or some of the other moonbat sites create a conservative blog.

I thought there was an unofficial formula that said Republicans will be Blue again in 2008? I guess that might be thrown out.

Anyway I hate the permanent association of color. It reflects the sports team / blind loyalty mentality that has enveloped politics.

On another note, I hope poster traffic isn't being misread. The Lefties here are mostly hardened loyalists playing the role of advocates and are here to disrupt and/or derail. A true Leftie site tied to the original site might lead to the Leftie sheeple wondering over to the conservative site. Something the Left, with their information control fixation, can't abide. Don't expect it to be given much good press from the other Leftie sites for long.

Isn't it enough that the left has scores more bloggers and readers than the right? With most of the media saturated with liberal views...why add one more?

Yuk! You've just disappointed the heck out of me.

As long as Lee can't ban me from commenting I'm all for it-Even though I know I'll never see a "dailykos red".

So the likes of Lee and Larkin are being given a bigger voice on Wizbang. Why, because they present opposing views as if that were in short supply. Do you suppose lefty blogs would do the same for conservative commenters? Wizbang is becoming so dispersed and diluted that it's in danger of disappearing like the morning mist.

Anyone arguing with Lee or Larkin on the main page can expect to see their comments taken out of context and held up to ridicule on WizbangBlue and then be banned from responding. I for one won't engage Lee or Larkin or any other author of WizbangBlue on the Wizbang main page.

Just visited there..
I am surprised but not shocked...
In the years I have visited and posted at wizbang I have always noticed an openness found on few other places...
It does shatter the stereotype..
Perhaps that is what is most important..
It is a bold experiment..like anything else..it may or may not last..
However,; I hope it does succeed. Perhaps..just perhaps it can be a model for others..

The offering of alternatives smacks of democracy..something Red State or Kos seem to forget..

It also, rightly so..will allow those on the new place to better understand...
It is one thing to post simple agreement or opposition...quite another to spend the time necessary to not only maintain but grow..

I hope it does succeed. I hope that Wizbang et all becomes a really major player...
..and yes..can Lee and others make the transition from poster to moderator? It is not easy..

jist sayin'

We'll see if it's as popular as Wizbang Sports.

So, the answer for getting out the conservative message is to give liberals yet another venue to spread theirs?

Did I get transported to Bizzaro world and no one told me?

You don't need to give equal time - you are equal time.

OK bryanD[elusional] and barnyRUBBLE, I failed to see your as authors over there.
Here's your chance.
Posted by: marc"

Me? You're the bluer than me. Touting the Pentagon's Battle of a Thousand Schools meme. Oy!

(I'm a Tom Coburn Republican, yessiree. Ghost of Political Landscape Future.)

I'll check it out though, and I second nogo: this blog is 2 cuts above the others of its type for its diversity of opinion. Nothing's worse than head-nodding disguised as comments! So I'll look to disagree with Lee, et al.

Now if we could only have large format photos at Wizbang Pop... Wouldn't it be fun to count Lindsay Lohan's freckles? Yes it would.

Bravo, Kevin! I have no qualms whatsoever with a "left-side" forum for civilized discourse. I further trust your judgement in selecting admins and authors that are able to keep the discourse, well, civil.

Just scanning the first two post, it's looking more like a 'Wizbang Conspiracy Fansite'.

Excellent idea, I hope it runs smoothly. I'll probably be visiting over there rather often.

Wouldn't it be fun to count Lindsay Lohan's freckles? Yes it would.

I must agree.

I applaud the effort Kevin. But I am truly disgusted. You've given a whole page over to lee of all people, the same guy that has been calling your site whiz-bang for years, as well as calling every commenter on here juvenile names etc. I am just in shock right now. Wizbang used to be my favorite site on the net, I am just so supremely dissapointed at this news. Really, it would have been a great thing to get some rational lefties on here to write, lee however is FAR from that.

"And as Main Page Editor, I'd like to officially say that I welcome our new leftist underlords."

Gee, thanks Jay - and here I thought you might be peeved about losing your parking space right next to the Wizbang commissary.

"Lee, you better be posting articles or I'll Roto Rooter out your stents."

Roger that, Peter. No problemo.

"Libs will continue to do all they can to stifle the free speech rights of the right."

The proof is in the pudding, Gianni. Let's see just how much "stifling" takes place on Wizbang Blue, and then we'll talk again. My bet is that reality will prove you wrong again, as usual.

"Anyone arguing with Lee or Larkin on the main page can expect to see their comments taken out of context and held up to ridicule on WizbangBlue and then be banned from responding."

Only your comments will be treated that way Mac Lorry.... and you forgot the part about us spam-mailing your home address and social security number out to the DNC mailing list. heh.

"The offering of alternatives smacks of democracy..something Red State or Kos seem to forget.."

I agree, nogo. I hope this model expands across the blogosphere. There will always be an aisle separating the various political factions in our country, but it shouldn't be the large divide it's been for the last 20 years or so. I think efforts like this are the "right idea".

"Did I get transported to Bizzaro world and no one told me?"

All your base are belong to us.

"I further trust your judgement in selecting admins and authors that are able to keep the discourse, well, civil."

I think you'll find us as reasonable as any other gang of pirates on the blogosphere.

How easy will it be to get banned over there at Blue Dog Lake? The left isn't known for tolerance. *laughs*

Only your comments will be treated that way Mac Lorry.... and you forgot the part about us spam-mailing your home address and social security number out to the DNC mailing list. heh.

I'm not a bit surprised, but what I want to know is what you have on Kevin that would cause him to give voice to the dark side. I went over there and I see there's no link back into the light. Danged if I didn't drop a comment while there, such is the power of the dark side.

hahahahahahahahahah..... You have to have a typekey account to comment at WizblankBlue. Nice.
How pathetic. Whatsa matter Lee 'Ward" Cleaver?

Classic, and perfect timing from Lorie's Web 2.0 post from yesterday:

"...there is a big gap between the right and left when it comes to using the internet to get their message out and it is something those on the right will have to address seriously or be left far behind."

And Wizbang addresses it seriously by giving it's resident moonbat lee his very own site. Pathetic.

btw Lee 'ward' cleaver.... I know you are all excited about the fame and fortune but there is only three w's in the world wide web addy, at least, in my reality based world.

"Really, it would have been a great thing to get some rational lefties on here to write, lee however is FAR from that."

That may be true but Lee is an excellent example of a mainstream democrat.

You have to have a typekey account to comment at WizblankBlue.

No you don't - it's optional. Actually the Typekey authentication isn't working right now - it's only still enabled so I can have some other folks at Six Apart troubleshoot it. Typekey (or another local user ID system) will be available here eventually.

While everyone is up in arms about this, remember it's a part of Wizbang!, but it's not mandatory to every go there, even once.

P. Bunyan, unfortunately, you are correct. Crying shame though that Kevin has just given credence to all the ridiculous garbage lee has posted here over the years. Today is a sad, sad day.

Out of the group of "those who are not conservative" commenters here at Wizbang, Lee and Larkin are the posters at WizbangBlue? Lee being one of the least civil people and Larkin, well....

I would rather see Mantis moderating and posting there. But that's just my 2 cents.

"btw Lee 'ward' cleaver.... I know you are all excited about the fame and fortune but there is only three w's in the world wide web addy, at least, in my reality based world."

Thanks, kat. Typos are my specialty.

Great. Another anti-American, anti-Christian, conspiracy-theory, all-BDS-all-the-time fever swamp. How original.

Today is a sad, sad day.

Awww.

I second D-Hoggs'comment. The reward for those who have spewed monkey-poo on this site for years is to give them a larger amplifier? Doesn't make sense to me.

I have thought of this as a more libertarian site rather than a conservative one. Perhaps you need a triangle of sites liberal, conservative and libertarian.

Nope, no crying mantis. Just supreme dissapointment. And to think, I was just about to agree with Oyster that I'd rather see you posting. Whatever, I will stick with that belief, that you are one of the more honest libs here. I'll play along with your juvenile attack, check out the pic I found of you and lee:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/407802083_a4e617bd0d_o.jpg

D-Hoggs:

great pic of Pelosi and Reid!

"I would rather see Mantis moderating and posting there."

Agreed. And perhaps Heralder, if he fits the ideological bill. (I'm not sure.)

This Whizbang seems like a pretty good forum to me where I like many of the writers such as Lorie Byrd, although I don't always agree on the basic premise or conclusion.

Whenever this new Whizbang steps outside of common sense, I promise to raise my voice. I appreciate any opinion that is rational, whether or not I personally agree. Faulty logic or seriously missing facts is the main reason I will disagree with some views, conservative or liberal.

Thanks Jeff, that's flattering. I am a little too far past the center on the right side though.

If mantis and I were moderators we'd probably take up whole pages posting silly pictures. I'd be entertained, but everyone else would be bored. :)

I just made a trip there.

Among the first thoughts: If this the shape of things to come, when the dems win the Whitehouse (which I unfortunately believe will happen), it will be relaxing and fun to see shoe on the other foot.

At least a small consolation.

Cool idea! I'll check it out.

But, I'll still keep coming here too because Jay Tea and DJ Drummand can be very interesting. And Lori Byrd is just plain nice!

Thanks, from the loyal opposition...

What's that saying about "Keep your friends close..." again?

Hey, can I be an ass over there like mantis and others are here?

Truth in posting: I haven't been there and not yet sure that I will go... I gave up a local (Seattle) lefty blog for Lent (because my anger in response to their foul mouthed vitriole was carrying over to my real life) and I have not been back since.

I certainly hope they will censor themselves, but I really don't expect it.

Nope, no crying mantis. Just supreme dissapointment.

Now here is what I don't understand: oftentimes there are dissenters who complain when certain topics aren't covered on this site, or demand that they be, and the response from many is that if they want to talk about those topics they should get their own blog and stop demanding attention for them from other bloggers. This, of course, is the correct response, and applies here as well. This is Kevin's site, and he can do whatever he damn well pleases with it, and if you don't like it, get your own blog.

If you want an exclusively right-wing blog where liberal viewpoints are discouraged (to whatever degree), there are hundreds if not thousands for you to choose from (LGF, RedState, STACLU, Blogs for Bush to name a few that allow comments). What is interesting about Wizbang, and sets it apart from the rest, is that Kevin has tried to branch out into different topics, creating his own sort of blog ecosystem. I see Wizbang Blue as just another extension of that, adding to the broad range of topics and sensibilities present on one site.

As far as your objection that Wizbang Blue somehow contributes to a liberal dominance in new media, to whatever degree that exists, is rather silly. Do you really believe that Blue will have a big impact in the liberal 'sphere? If the behemoths like Kos and others couldn't even get Paul Hackett elected, are you really worried about what Lee and Larkin will do?

I'll play along with your juvenile attack, check out the pic I found of you and lee:

Very ultimate indeed. Sorry to just post a snarky pic, but I had work to do (I had to go deal with an evil MSM reporter!) at the time and found your protestations rather, well, childish.

And to think, I was just about to agree with Oyster that I'd rather see you posting. Whatever, I will stick with that belief, that you are one of the more honest libs here.

I'll be posting over there, though I'll be sticking to the Jay Tea model (thinking) more than some others (linking). You won't see any "Heh, indeed" posts from me. This week is insane work-wise but I should have something up by the weekend.

If mantis and I were moderators we'd probably take up whole pages posting silly pictures. I'd be entertained, but everyone else would be bored. :)

I've already got the name: Wizbang Pwnd!

Hey, can I be an ass over there like mantis and others are here?

I'm sure you can, and you're already an ass here so it shouldn't be too rough a transition.

mantis:

I've already got the name: Wizbang Pwnd!

You owe me a new coffee!

"Today we're launching Wizbang Blue, a liberal (or if you prefer, progressive) political blog unlike anything else at Wizbang."

There is absolutley nothing progressive about these donkeys and their evil plans ... er... ideas for the rest of us... don't pander to get their readership, it's unbecoming.

Look at it this way...a liberal blog on which conservatives are allowed to comment. It's revolutionary!

mantis, I agree with your lengthy post above, but what you are attributing to me is incorrect. I have no problem with wizbangblue, and giving voice to the other side, and if you would read my first comment here, I applaud Kevin for the idea. My problem lies with handing over a site to lee of all people, the same person who has been shitting on this site for years. As far as "get your own blog", I'm not so sure that that applies here, as lee obviously approached Kevin & instead of being told to "get his own blog", he was GIVEN his own blog. Shit, maybe if I crap on Kevin and J enough they'll give me one. Hey Kevin, maybe you can add a porn blog called Wizbanged, I'll run that one please!

We'll see if it's as popular as Wizbang Sports.

Tom Biological:

LOL. Then you missed the sh*tstorm I stirred up when I predicted the Phillies to take the NL East over the Mets. Man, did I take it on the chin!

Ah, I did misunderstand then. You were objecting to Lee.

As Kevin notes, he had the idea for a left-wing spinoff before Lee contacted him. It was not that Lee demanded something and it was granted, but rather he had the same idea, and Kevin obviously saw that as a sign that there was some degree of interest in participating.

I don't know if anyone has been given the title of "section editor" for Wizbang Blue, as Jay has for the main site, and I think calling it Lee's blog is going too far. There are several people who have committed to contributing. In any case, as part of Wizbang it is still Kevin's blog, and I don't think he's "handed over" anything.

Shit, maybe if I crap on Kevin and J enough they'll give me one.

Well, if you want to write about politics or whatever from the conservative perspective, the Bomb Squad is specifically set up as a forum for you. It has been described to me as a "farm team" for the main site. And you don't have to crap on anyone. For porn blogging, I think you're on your own.

"...he was GIVEN his own blog"

It's not my blog, chowderhead. I'm just one of the writers.

I approached Kevin last December and suggested that we try the grand "Wizbang Blue" expirement, and without any help from me -- including any posts from me -- the concept proved out to be viable, and Kevin gave his tentative approval to proceed.

I contacted the same people who had volunteered in response to Kevin's call for entries, and followed up over the months as the plans came together. Last February we had the site up and began testing and getting familiar with the place, and ultimately we launched today.

While I had a hand in the development of the site it's not "mine". I hold no status any greater than any of the other writers there. You won't find any phony titles or shmancy troll hammers. Speaking for myself, we're just your fellow Americans, speaking our minds and doing our part in what we feel is the common good of all Americans.

Am I the only one who has noticed the pacifier effect in action again? Remember how so many of the regular libs here were all sweetness and light right after last year's Democratic win in the House and Senate asking that we all "just get along"? Now they're getting an "official" voice on Wizbang and they're all sweetness and light again. Lee hasn't called one person a name, nogo was missing all the usual venom, publicus, well, is still publicus, but not as abrasive and bryanD even seemed to strain towards civility somewhat.

Wonder how long it will last this time. I give it 4 days.

Crap! I took too long to type my comment and Lee spews out "chowderhead". But still, that's not as bad as his usual.

As for us, the Ancients, we are content with the bee, to pretend to nothing of our own beyond our wings and our voice: that is to say, our flights and our language. For the rest, whatever we have got has been by infinite labour and search, and ranging through every corner of nature; the difference is, that, instead of dirt and poison, we have rather chosen to till our hives with honey and wax; thus furnishing mankind with the two noblest of things, which are sweetness and light." - JS, 1704

Yeah, that doesn't sound like me. But then, I'm not a bee but a mantis.

Kevin,

OK, I'm resigned to the fact you are going to give some of the left's finest examples of leftist thinking their own forum. However, to be fair to your right thinking contributors there should be some rules imposed on those to whom you have given Wizbang Blue keys. The Wizbang Blue key holders should no longer be allowed to respond to comments posted by none-authors on the main Wizbang page. The blue bunch can comment on what authors like Jay, Paul and Kim post, but they shouldn't be allowed to respond to what ordinary commenter's post. It's simply unfair given their ability to make their points known on the blue pages.

To Lee's point about Kevin asking for contributors, the fact is the invitation was extended only to leftist contributors. It wasn't an open call.

I checked out the new page, nice look to it, content thought was lacking. Iv been there for the last time. Hope Wiz didnt jump the shark with this one.

Damned Oyster, you beat me to it!! I was just writing up a reply to lee's "Chowderhead" quip. I have never, once, read him call someone something so bland. I think it is even more sickening witnessing the pacifier effect than reading his normal comments. Ugh. From all J's threats of banning lee to "Lee Ward", Wizbang author extraordinaire and courteous name caller. Pathetic.

Mac, one of the thoughts is that by having the space there will be less threadjacking or off-topic stuff. If it goes that way here there's now a very easy place to point to (and probably posts there as well) to point people who go off topic at.

The authors at Blue won't be "banned" from commenting here, just as authors here aren't "banned" from commenting at any of the sites. I think the net effect will be that those folks (and maybe others) will be less visible in threads here. For many that will be a possitive.

Also check out the comment rating and reporting feature at Blue. That's coming to Wizbang real soon. You'll be able to set your own threshold for viewing comments. It's a community rating system that's not punative, but allows readers to set their own level of preference for low rated comment viewing. It should be a welcome addition here.

Kevin,

Thanks for the reply. Well as long as you're passing out keys to Wizbang Blue, my e-mail is valid, or does a person have to be reality challenged to obtain them?

Peter F.:

Although it's waaaay too early in the season to be worried yet, it looks like the Phillies are not helping you out right now. Honestly, I've been checking the Wizbang Sports site out now and then to see if it's progressing, but have been disappointed in the lack of content and commenting there. So...to bring this comment back on topic, I'm wondering if the same thing will happen to Wizbang Blue. Perhaps it's a good idea, but how much real interest will it generate after the novelty wears off? And, honestly, if I want to have insults hurled my way, I can more often than not guarantee that by commenting on the main page. The safest place to comment here has been in the Caption Contest, although I will admit it's getting slightly better lately.

"Biological", eh? Thanks for reminding me of the Human Anatomy class I'm taking. Only 5 more weeks of staring at human cadavers and trying to hold my lunch in. ;-)

TB

mantis:

NB: I specifically and purposefully didn't name you as one of those sucking so ernestly at that pacifier. You're pretty consistently civil and I haven't personally witnessed you dishing out trivial name calling or engaging in excessive snidery unless the person asked for it. I think we can both agree that we're not completely without sin in this regard, but my point is in general.

And I'm an oyster :-)

Kevin: " I think the net effect will be that those folks (and maybe others) will be less visible in threads here. For many that will be a possitive."

Yeah, right. Until lee and the rest of your new team work up their deranged lib buddies into a foam (that should take all of 20 seconds) and Wizbang gains a whole new crop of BDS commenters. Can't wait.

Thanks Oyster, the feeling is mutual, but I can never pass up a Swift reference (Arnold was a punk!).

I just checked it out and it's full of the typical liberal tripe - lots of stupid name calling and conspiracy theories.

I think you are diluting the Wizbang name a bit too much with this... I'm guessing it was more of a business decision hoping to garner some more ad dollars but at what "cost"?

Tom BLOGICAL:

I can't tell you how hard I laughed when I read your last paragraph! That mistake is the humorous result of my eyes and brain swapping or putting letters, words and sometimes sentences out of order or where they shouldn't (there's a medical term for it that's escaping me). I've had it all my life and, from time to time, it pops up like that! :-)

And good luck with those cadavers. ;-)

You're pretty consistently civil and I haven't personally witnessed you dishing out trivial name calling or engaging in excessive snidery unless the person asked for it.

You're not around much, are you, Oyster? lol

Key phrase: unless the person asked for it.

"Yeah, right. Until lee and the rest of your new team work up their deranged lib buddies into a foam (that should take all of 20 seconds) and Wizbang gains a whole new crop of BDS commenters. Can't wait."

There you go, hoggy - dreaming up phony reasons to be afraid. What a goooood little conservative you are.....

Hmm, I see. OK, I'll keep that in mind the next time you're asking for it.

BTW, who really asks for such things. ;-)

Hmm, I see. OK, I'll keep that in mind the next time you're asking for it.

Oh around here I think I'm always asking for it.

BTW, who really asks for such things. ;-)

And what's so civil about war, anyway? It's a turn of phrase, and not an uncommon one. But you know that.

However, if you go back to the original, usenet-days definition of the term "troll," such a person does, in fact, literally ask for it. So there's your answer, at least concerning some, though those trolls are better left ignored.

Look forward to more, old and new school, pedantic geekery over at that lefty wizbang place.

I'm wondering who all the blue bangers are. So far there are posts by Lee Ward, Larkin, and someone named Paul Hamilton. Mantis says he's also a blue banger even though he hasn't posted yet, so maybe there are more we don't know about. Are there any females among the group? Guess it's a secret.

I'm shocked and disappointed. There are plenty of liberal blogs out there - and yes, I've seen way too many nasty comments by Lee & Co. to give them the key to the city.

FoxNews is "fair & balanced" - the majority of the other networks are leftwing. WizBang was a haven until today - like listening to Hannity on the radio without having to hear Colmes chime in with his foolishness.

...shocked and disappointed.

Relax fellow conservative commenter's, this is not so bad.
I have NEVER been to Koo Koo KOS and NEVER will. I have encountered enough loony lefties on blogs and such, and it's NOT good for the blood pressure.
So the fact that Wizbang has developed a lefty playground is fine by me. It helps get the resident libz/progressives out of OUR hair.
One side for the LEFT, one side for the RIGHT.
Let's hope the conversations are more enjoyable and motivating for each side.

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[This is me unable to think of anything nice to say about giving Lee his own blog.]

Knightbrigade, see my comment above. While I would hope you are right, I think the outcome will be different. And as much as lee would like to thing I am "afraid", that couldn't be farther from the truth. I just don't look forward to seeing even more comments around here by deranged libs like him. Whatever, lee is a pathetic, petty fool, as witnessed by his need to call me "Hoggy" when I believe I have never called him anything but lee. I may add a "fucking idiot" from time to time, but at least I give him the respect of using his name when I do it. Hoggy, tha'ts cute lee, flattering, but sorry, I don't swing your way. Fucking idiot lee.

I can come on over to WB Blue and take a dump anytime, eh? heh heh