President Bush has many strengths, but mastery of the English language is not one of them, although he spoke eloquently on the VT shooting yesterday. Michelle Malkin makes the case that one of the frontrunners for the presidency in 2008 has just as big a problem with articulate speech. Whether or not Obama said it well, linking the Va Tech shooting to outsourcing and Iraq is just out there. Here is the audio link.
2. Posted by
Pete_Bondurant | April 18, 2007 8:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pete_Bondurant:
So is the Obama butt kissing about to end? Will conservatives stop describing Obama as "articulate." He is not articulate. He is a socialist and an opportunist. He is a glorified teacher sitting in the US senate with not one piece of legislation with his name on it. Let's finally begin being honest.
2. Posted by
Pete_Bondurant | April 18, 2007 8:42 AM |
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3. Posted by
Scrapiron | April 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Scrapiron:
Obama simply proved what a lot of us already knew. He's nothing more than a better educated (at ripping off money) copy of Je$$ie and $harpton. All he needs now is a mail order 'preacher' certificate. Na, he can't do that. Islamist can't change religions and live.
3. Posted by
Scrapiron | April 18, 2007 9:41 AM |
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4. Posted by
bryanD | April 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
bryanD:
Barack "the Sandman" Obama. That was dirty pool, Lorie. I just got up and now I'm tired again.
Who first turned "speeches" into "talks"?
I think it was Liddy Dole who freed the mike from its stand and walked around like Monty Hall.
Hint to politicians: if you need a microphone to be heard, then play it like an instrument, because louder mumbling ist nicht gut!
Frankly, I didn't hear any uncouth linkage of events, but I did here "aaaaand"..."aaaaannd" to comical effect, and 2 misfires at attempted Souternisms: "countreh" and "onleh". Came out sounding like Russian American, though. There may have been more but I kept nodding off.
4. Posted by
bryanD | April 18, 2007 9:48 AM |
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Last week Obama seemed too close to Al Sharpton's sphere of influence in his statements attacking Don Imus, now this. Much more of this and Obama's image as a reasonable and wise leader will soon tarnish and fade away.
5. Posted by
Paul Hooson | April 18, 2007 9:59 AM |
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6. Posted by
Larkin | April 18, 2007 10:07 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Larkin:
Whether or not Obama said it well, linking the Va Tech shooting to outsourcing and Iraq is just out there.
Good God people. A 23-minute speech with a single reference to Iraq and you're all in an uproar. The statement didn't even directly link Virginia Tech to Iraq. Obama was speaking in general terms about violence in our society.
I've seen a lot of stupid posts on Wizbang but this one has to take the cake.
But thanks for posting the link. It seriously got me thinking about switching my registration to Democrat so I can vote for him in the primary.
6. Posted by
Larkin | April 18, 2007 10:07 AM |
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As a Chicagoan, I know a number of people who have been to events, both large and small, where Barack Obama has spoken. Practically to a person, they described being less than impressed with Obama's vaunted rhetorical skills. It seems he has a hard time living up to the image everyone has of him, that is the keynote speach at the DNC convention.
7. Posted by
langtry | April 18, 2007 10:09 AM |
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9. Posted by
Baron Von Ottomatic | April 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baron Von Ottomatic:
Ultimately, I'm sure the liberal troika of victimhood, class warfare, and racism will prove to have been the motivating factors for that nut job at VT...
9. Posted by
Baron Von Ottomatic | April 18, 2007 10:50 AM |
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Larkin, truthfully I did not hear Obama's entire speech last week. But I just noticed a new poll on Rasmussen Reports that now puts Obama within 2 points of Hillary Clinton, and also the favorite of any candidate to vote for in 2008, as well as gaining more donations than Hillary since the last financial report. Apparently the public likes what they're hearing, although I find myself not liking all that I'm hearing personally. Maybe my own thoughts projected too much above.
10. Posted by
Paul Hooson | April 18, 2007 10:56 AM |
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12. Posted by
nikkolai | April 18, 2007 11:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
nikkolai:
What a dumbass. This empty suit wants to be POTUS? What in the HELL has he ever accomplished? How many jobs has he provided? What is the largest institution or corporation that he has CEO experience with? Has he ever had to make payroll on anything?
Wake up, folks!
12. Posted by
nikkolai | April 18, 2007 11:36 AM |
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18. Posted by
mantis | April 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mantis:
mantis, any clue if that is his work, his motivation, staff work, or name on bill stuff?
Well, there's a lot to that question, and it varies from bill to bill. First, regarding staff work vs. his work, this is not something that is normally distinguished. No bill gets introduced without the work of the sponsoring senator's staff, but ultimately it is the senator's name that goes on a bill, so this is really not relevant. By "name on bill stuff," I assume you mean cosponsorship (an unlimited number of members can attach their name and cosponsor a bill). Obama cosponsored 427 bills and resolutions in the 109th. Now bills he sponsored, which I would classify as "his work" and "his motivation," per your question, amounted to 152 bills and resolutions in the 109th.
Of those mentioned in Hilzoy's post, the nonproliferation of Russian nukes legislation was definitely him, along with Luger. Avian flu legislation was his. Ditto genetic testing regulation, and a bunch of others in that post (follow the links). In any case the absurd notion that there is, "not one piece of legislation with his name on it," has no basis whatsoever. Neither does the contention that Obama has "no legislative track record" for us to look at. I hope he continues to be this active in the 110th, and that he introduces some really aggressive legislation now that the Democrats have a majority, so that we can see what sort of "big ideas" he's willing to put forth (admittedly, a good deal of the stuff he put forth while in the minority was not groundbreaking. Often important, but not groundbreaking).
All of that said, Obama is not my favorite Democratic candidate, FWIW.
18. Posted by
mantis | April 18, 2007 1:32 PM |
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23. Posted by
Unknown | April 24, 2007 5:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Unknown:
This was a CIA setup from start to finish. It is was a plot to strenghten the Democratic Canidates for the 2008 election. Do not miss the signs along the Yellow Brick Road; "All Roads Lead To ROME".
23. Posted by
Unknown | April 24, 2007 5:54 PM |
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Barack takes his first step... (Below threshold)1. Posted by drjohn | April 18, 2007 8:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barack takes his first step into oblivion.
1. Posted by drjohn | April 18, 2007 8:19 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 08:19
2. Posted by Pete_Bondurant | April 18, 2007 8:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So is the Obama butt kissing about to end? Will conservatives stop describing Obama as "articulate." He is not articulate. He is a socialist and an opportunist. He is a glorified teacher sitting in the US senate with not one piece of legislation with his name on it. Let's finally begin being honest.
2. Posted by Pete_Bondurant | April 18, 2007 8:42 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 08:42
3. Posted by Scrapiron | April 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Obama simply proved what a lot of us already knew. He's nothing more than a better educated (at ripping off money) copy of Je$$ie and $harpton. All he needs now is a mail order 'preacher' certificate. Na, he can't do that. Islamist can't change religions and live.
3. Posted by Scrapiron | April 18, 2007 9:41 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 09:41
4. Posted by bryanD | April 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barack "the Sandman" Obama. That was dirty pool, Lorie. I just got up and now I'm tired again.
Who first turned "speeches" into "talks"?
I think it was Liddy Dole who freed the mike from its stand and walked around like Monty Hall.
Hint to politicians: if you need a microphone to be heard, then play it like an instrument, because louder mumbling ist nicht gut!
Frankly, I didn't hear any uncouth linkage of events, but I did here "aaaaand"..."aaaaannd" to comical effect, and 2 misfires at attempted Souternisms: "countreh" and "onleh". Came out sounding like Russian American, though. There may have been more but I kept nodding off.
4. Posted by bryanD | April 18, 2007 9:48 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 09:48
5. Posted by Paul Hooson | April 18, 2007 9:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Last week Obama seemed too close to Al Sharpton's sphere of influence in his statements attacking Don Imus, now this. Much more of this and Obama's image as a reasonable and wise leader will soon tarnish and fade away.
5. Posted by Paul Hooson | April 18, 2007 9:59 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 09:59
6. Posted by Larkin | April 18, 2007 10:07 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Whether or not Obama said it well, linking the Va Tech shooting to outsourcing and Iraq is just out there.
Good God people. A 23-minute speech with a single reference to Iraq and you're all in an uproar. The statement didn't even directly link Virginia Tech to Iraq. Obama was speaking in general terms about violence in our society.
I've seen a lot of stupid posts on Wizbang but this one has to take the cake.
But thanks for posting the link. It seriously got me thinking about switching my registration to Democrat so I can vote for him in the primary.
6. Posted by Larkin | April 18, 2007 10:07 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 10:07
7. Posted by langtry | April 18, 2007 10:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
As a Chicagoan, I know a number of people who have been to events, both large and small, where Barack Obama has spoken. Practically to a person, they described being less than impressed with Obama's vaunted rhetorical skills. It seems he has a hard time living up to the image everyone has of him, that is the keynote speach at the DNC convention.
7. Posted by langtry | April 18, 2007 10:09 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 10:09
8. Posted by Larkin | April 18, 2007 10:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Last week Obama seemed too close to Al Sharpton's sphere of influence in his statements attacking Don Imus, now this.
Paul, did you listen to the entire speech? I can't believe anyone who did would say this.
8. Posted by Larkin | April 18, 2007 10:17 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 10:17
9. Posted by Baron Von Ottomatic | April 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ultimately, I'm sure the liberal troika of victimhood, class warfare, and racism will prove to have been the motivating factors for that nut job at VT...
9. Posted by Baron Von Ottomatic | April 18, 2007 10:50 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 10:50
10. Posted by Paul Hooson | April 18, 2007 10:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Larkin, truthfully I did not hear Obama's entire speech last week. But I just noticed a new poll on Rasmussen Reports that now puts Obama within 2 points of Hillary Clinton, and also the favorite of any candidate to vote for in 2008, as well as gaining more donations than Hillary since the last financial report. Apparently the public likes what they're hearing, although I find myself not liking all that I'm hearing personally. Maybe my own thoughts projected too much above.
10. Posted by Paul Hooson | April 18, 2007 10:56 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 10:56
11. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now, if I were sufficiently paranoid about the ability of the Clintonistas I'd be thinking 'Stalking Horse'.
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11. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 11:09 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 11:09
12. Posted by nikkolai | April 18, 2007 11:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What a dumbass. This empty suit wants to be POTUS? What in the HELL has he ever accomplished? How many jobs has he provided? What is the largest institution or corporation that he has CEO experience with? Has he ever had to make payroll on anything?
Wake up, folks!
12. Posted by nikkolai | April 18, 2007 11:36 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 11:36
13. Posted by mantis | April 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
He is a glorified teacher sitting in the US senate with not one piece of legislation with his name on it. Let's finally begin being honest.
Interesting talk from someone who is so full of shit.
I've seen a lot of stupid posts on Wizbang but this one has to take the cake.
Oh, I'm not so sure about that; this post has some real stiff competition for the stupidest title.
13. Posted by mantis | April 18, 2007 11:39 AM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 11:39
14. Posted by Jo | April 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Awww, is everyone just finding out that the Barak Obama hype is much ado about nothing? About damn time.
14. Posted by Jo | April 18, 2007 12:22 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 12:22
15. Posted by moseby | April 18, 2007 12:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
obama will never be president. His name is too close to OBL. Sorry...the truth hurts...
15. Posted by moseby | April 18, 2007 12:25 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 12:25
16. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 12:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mantis, any clue if that is his work, his motivation, staff work, or name on bill stuff?
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16. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 12:49 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 12:49
17. Posted by pete_bondurant | April 18, 2007 1:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey Mantis,
Is that article supposed to help your argument? You have to be kidding. Obama is an empty suit, an opportunist and an extreme leftist.
17. Posted by pete_bondurant | April 18, 2007 1:24 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 13:24
18. Posted by mantis | April 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mantis, any clue if that is his work, his motivation, staff work, or name on bill stuff?
Well, there's a lot to that question, and it varies from bill to bill. First, regarding staff work vs. his work, this is not something that is normally distinguished. No bill gets introduced without the work of the sponsoring senator's staff, but ultimately it is the senator's name that goes on a bill, so this is really not relevant. By "name on bill stuff," I assume you mean cosponsorship (an unlimited number of members can attach their name and cosponsor a bill). Obama cosponsored 427 bills and resolutions in the 109th. Now bills he sponsored, which I would classify as "his work" and "his motivation," per your question, amounted to 152 bills and resolutions in the 109th.
Of those mentioned in Hilzoy's post, the nonproliferation of Russian nukes legislation was definitely him, along with Luger. Avian flu legislation was his. Ditto genetic testing regulation, and a bunch of others in that post (follow the links). In any case the absurd notion that there is, "not one piece of legislation with his name on it," has no basis whatsoever. Neither does the contention that Obama has "no legislative track record" for us to look at. I hope he continues to be this active in the 110th, and that he introduces some really aggressive legislation now that the Democrats have a majority, so that we can see what sort of "big ideas" he's willing to put forth (admittedly, a good deal of the stuff he put forth while in the minority was not groundbreaking. Often important, but not groundbreaking).
All of that said, Obama is not my favorite Democratic candidate, FWIW.
18. Posted by mantis | April 18, 2007 1:32 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 13:32
19. Posted by mantis | April 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Is that article supposed to help your argument?
Nope, just destroy yours, which it does quite handily. Tool.
19. Posted by mantis | April 18, 2007 1:35 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 13:35
20. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thank you, that is helpful.
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20. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 2:28 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 14:28
21. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There was a lot to your answer, too.
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21. Posted by kim | April 18, 2007 2:29 PM |
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Posted on April 18, 2007 14:29
22. Posted by kim | April 19, 2007 6:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Can we have a President afraid to put gas in his car?
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22. Posted by kim | April 19, 2007 6:27 AM |
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Posted on April 19, 2007 06:27
23. Posted by Unknown | April 24, 2007 5:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This was a CIA setup from start to finish. It is was a plot to strenghten the Democratic Canidates for the 2008 election. Do not miss the signs along the Yellow Brick Road; "All Roads Lead To ROME".
23. Posted by Unknown | April 24, 2007 5:54 PM |
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Posted on April 24, 2007 17:54