She just returned from a trip during which she took time to sit down and talk with Bashar Al-Assad, one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism world wide. Now she says she's open to talks with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian megalomaniac leader who just announced that he's now enriching uranium at an industrial level and wants to wipe Israel off the face of the map:
The Democratic speaker from San Francisco and Lantos, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, were asked at a news conference in San Francisco on Tuesday whether on the heels of their recent trip to the Middle East they would be interested in extending their diplomacy in the troubled region with a visit to Iran.
"Speaking just for myself, I would be ready to get on a plane tomorrow morning, because however objectionable, unfair and inaccurate many of (Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's) statements are, it is important that we have a dialogue with him,'' Lantos said. "Speaking for myself, I'm ready to go -- and knowing the speaker, I think that she might be.''Pelosi did not dispute that statement, and noted that Lantos -- a Hungarian-born survivor of the Holocaust -- brought "great experience, knowledge and judgment" to the recent bipartisan congressional delegation trip to Israel, the Palestinian territories, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia in addition to Syria.
After insisting that she needs to keep an open dialog with leaders of rogue terrorist nations, she refuses to sit down and talk to President Bush about funding for the Global War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan:
Just in case their previous statement was too ambiguous, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) joined with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to reject a meeting with President Bush next week if he insists on preconditions in their negotiations over a spending bill to fund the war in Iraq.
"What the president invited us to do was come to his office so that we could accept, without any discussion, the bill that he wants," Pelosi said at an afternoon news conference in San Francisco to discuss her trip to the Middle East last week. "That's not worthy of the concerns of the American people. And I join with Senator Reid in rejecting an invitation of that kind."
So to which country is she loyal? She won't talk with President Bush about funding our troops, but she's set and ready to talk to a despot leader who pushes "Death to America."
Update: Jon Roth at GOP Bloggers writes of the bigger picture, and he's spot on:
[Pelosi's] behavior actually weakens America by advertising to our enemies that we can be divided and conquered and that if Bush won't appease them then the Democrats will. Thugs do not change their ways just because you talked to them; they only change course when presented with a credible threat. Pelosi's antics nearly ensure that any threats we might make will not be seen as credible and that only following through on those threats can restore our credibility. In that sense, the Democratic sycophantic tour of mideast dictators will lead to exactly the opposite of what they hope to achieve.
Update II: Rob at Say Anything comments on the liberals' victim mentality:
I love how the liberals never fail to use the language of victimhood in everything they do. Lantos is a victim, therefore he is an absolute moral authority on the wisdom of engaging Iran in unilateral diplomacy. Just like like only Jesse "Hymie Town" Jackson has the moral authority to forgive Imus for his offensive comments.
Update III: Confederate Yankee makes a great point:
Liberals are solidly behind the idea of boycotting a news network to avoid giving them legitimacy, but they are in favor of defying their own government's foreign policy to lend legitimacy to yet another terrorist state that has sponsored attacks on our allies and are actively engaged in trying to kill U.S. soldiers.
Indeed.



Comments (74)
It simple. Pelosi has some ... (Below threshold)1. Posted by yetanotherjohn | April 11, 2007 10:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It simple. Pelosi has some standards. There are leaders of some countries that she thinks dialog is a good thing and some she doesn't.
I wonder if the Iranian parliment has a position open for a female speaker?
1. Posted by yetanotherjohn | April 11, 2007 10:52 AM |
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2. Posted by Paul | April 11, 2007 11:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
excellent point/post
2. Posted by Paul | April 11, 2007 11:04 AM |
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3. Posted by hermie | April 11, 2007 11:06 AM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
So a Holocaust survivor is eager to fly to meet with a the rabid Holocaust denier, and someone who is ready to wipe all the Jews off the face of the earth?
SF Nancy must've passed around some powerful weed.
3. Posted by hermie | April 11, 2007 11:06 AM |
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4. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 11:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Peloci: "That's not worthy of the concerns of the American people"
I think she is miscalculating. I think a lot more Americans are concerned about winning than about the democrats scoring cheap political points. Sure, she and most democrats are primarily concerned with trying to make the Bush Presidency be percieved as a failure regardless of the consequences to the US and the world, but I don't think her actions will play well with those of us who want the US to win. And I think those of us who want the US to win far outnumber those who would prefer the democrats' plan of premature retreat and handing a victory to the terrorists.
4. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 11:12 AM |
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5. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 11:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kim, what are they going to talk about? Bush has taken all options off the table, so what is the point?
5. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 11:13 AM |
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6. Posted by Michael | April 11, 2007 11:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think that dialogue has to be a part of any solution in the Middle East. You can agree or disagree with Pelosi's methods, but to question her loyalties seems to me to go over the edge.
6. Posted by Michael | April 11, 2007 11:16 AM |
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7. Posted by John F Not Kerry | April 11, 2007 11:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Kim, what are they going to talk about? Bush has taken all options off the table, so what is the point?"
Posted by: BarneyG2000
Interesting question Barney. I wonder what she has to talk about with Ahmadinejad. How to wipe out all the Jews, perhaps? I do question her patriotism!
7. Posted by John F Not Kerry | April 11, 2007 11:17 AM |
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8. Posted by bryanD | April 11, 2007 11:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pelosi has assented to Bush's Iran build-up in the Gulf and she's accompanied by the rabid zionist Lantos, both AIPAC-approved last month.
So expect some happy results from the Iranian talks. As the Indians on TV say: She brings strong medicine. She has the carrot(Bush policy opposition) and the stick (Lantos).
As for dissing Bush, she can meet with him any day. The war WILL be funded, but the lame duck appearance must be maintained for political reasons. If the surge goes south, the less Dem fingerprints, the better.
8. Posted by bryanD | April 11, 2007 11:20 AM |
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9. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 11:21 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
" Sure, she and most democrats are primarily concerned with trying to make the Bush Presidency be percieved as a failure.." PB
Well it looks like they succeeded. GOP is complete disarray and revolt. Just look at a few select quotes from a NY Times story:
"It's not that I have any particular problem with the people who are running for the Republican nomination. I just don't know how they can run hard enough or fast enough to escape the gravitational pull of the Bush administration."
"I would say a lot of people are not turned on because they don't see a lot of bright spots out there," Mr. Beltram said. "Home prices are going down. Gas prices are going up. And the war keeps dragging on."
"We don't do well until we have a common enemy," Mr. Dawson said. "Right now, our enemy is ourselves."
"It's a dying administration," Mr. Steele said. "There's a fatigue factor and there's a rubbing-off when it's not very smart to be closely associated with such low ratings."
"The war in Iraq and public opposition to it has put a pall on Republicans," said John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri.
9. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 11:21 AM |
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10. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 11:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Holey Cow Barney! People making disparaging remarks about the Republican party actually got quoted in the New York Times!?!?!
SHOCKED! I tell ya, I'm totally shocked!
10. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 11:34 AM |
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11. Posted by Jo | April 11, 2007 11:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Nancy Pelosi, Queen of the Middle East. Wow.
What a party.
11. Posted by Jo | April 11, 2007 11:36 AM |
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12. Posted by Paul Hooson | April 11, 2007 11:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a deeply dangerous figure. It is not wise for the Speaker Of The House to open any dialogue at this time with Iran, because Ahmadinejad would only use the visit for propaganda purposes to strengthen his position in Iranian politics.
By contrast her visit which sought to ween Syria away from Iran, and promote as dialogue between Israel and Syria was well intentioned, although Israel decided to undermine her effort because they likely prefer their current relationship with Syria, and shy away from any talks that could force more land concessions. Israel is only 11 miles wide at it's most narrow point, and more land concessions only endanger their security.
12. Posted by Paul Hooson | April 11, 2007 11:37 AM |
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13. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 11:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Iran has made it abundantly clear that they are not interested in stopping enrichment. Is Speaker Pelosi going to talk them out of it?
She's not a diplomat, nor does she have the skills, knowledge or the intelligence to be one.
Once again, someone needs to look at the laws regarding this sort of freelance policy making.
This is all besides the point that our Justice League delegation already visited Iran.
13. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 11:37 AM |
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14. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 11:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Confederate Yankee brings up this interesting point:
14. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 11:45 AM |
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15. Posted by Lee | April 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kim Priestap lied when she wrote: "...she [Speaker Pelosi] refuses to sit down and talk to President Bush about funding for the Global War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan"
That's just another Republican lie. Pelosi is willing to sit down with Bush, and has stated that publicly, so long as he doesn't, in her words -- "insist[s] on preconditions in their negotiations over a spending bill to fund the war in Iraq.
If Bush insists on preconditions, he isn't negotiating. Is Georgie planning to sit Nancy down and lecture her sternly about her trip to the Middle East? You know -- put her in her place?
Tsk Tsk, Kim. Is an honest discussion of the issues, based on facts not lies, beyond your reach? Why do conservative bloggers lie like this...?
15. Posted by Lee | April 11, 2007 11:46 AM |
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16. Posted by moseby | April 11, 2007 11:49 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Maybe pelosi was screwing those ay-rab foreign leaders? Maybe pelosi will screw amadinijad? Then who is a "crappy-headed ho"?
16. Posted by moseby | April 11, 2007 11:49 AM |
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17. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 11:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So Lee, what you saying is that it's o.k. for Pelosi and Reid to come to a meeting with the President with their pro-surrender and pro-give the terrorists a victory preconditions, but it's wrong for the President to have pro-US succeeding preconditions.
17. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 11:52 AM |
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18. Posted by _Mike_ | April 11, 2007 11:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The convincing threat of force greatly strengthens one's negotiating position. What the Democrats, and specifically Ms. Pelosi, have done is made the threat of force much less convincing. As a result, it makes the necessity to use actual force more likely.
Specifically, Iran is unlikely to stop its pursuit of nuclear weapons unless it believes that there's credible threat of repercussions against it. All that Ms. Pelosi has accomplished is to show that the U.S. is divided against itself; thereby removing credibility from any threat Iran may face. In turn, this makes it more likely that we'll wind up in a scenario in which we'll be forced to choose between military action against Iran or standing by while Iran becomes a nuclear power.
18. Posted by _Mike_ | April 11, 2007 11:52 AM |
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19. Posted by langtry | April 11, 2007 11:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If she insists on going to Iran, let her. Just don't let her back in to the U.S. when she returns.
19. Posted by langtry | April 11, 2007 11:54 AM |
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20. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 12:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lee:
A precondition is something that must be agreed to before negotiations, it doesn't negate negotiations. The only reason Speaker Pelosi won't agree to it is that she's afraid of having partial ownership of the war. Bad news for her is that she cannot support the troops without taking partial ownership of the war.
But, she'd rather play politics than fund the troops.
That's all well and good. Speaker Pelosi can show her support for the American troops by meeting with Iran while Iranian supplied and funded roadside bombs are killing our men.
I think he should. He should be exploring if prosecution is a possible outcome of usurping power in the government.
20. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 12:00 PM |
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21. Posted by Ran | April 11, 2007 12:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kim lied?..... LIED?.........Geeze.. what an interesting mind Lee has..since the entire MSM are saying the same thing!
21. Posted by Ran | April 11, 2007 12:01 PM |
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22. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 12:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You got that right _Mike_!
It's just like when Kerry was running in '04 and he said that he voted to treaten Iraq with the use of force, but not to actually use force.
The leaders of rogue nations and terrorist organization know that the democrats will only make empty threats.
22. Posted by P. Bunyan | April 11, 2007 12:03 PM |
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23. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 12:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, Lee's version of lying is rather broad.
Speaker Pelosi has said she won't sit with President Bush because she has to agree to preconditions to do so.
Kim said Speaker Pelosi won't sit with President Bush.
Kim is obviously lying.
23. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 12:04 PM |
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24. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 12:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
According the LA Times poll (released yesterday) a majority of Americans are backing the Dems play:
Should the Dems cave to Bush's demand
Fund the war without conditions: 43%
Withhold funding until Bush signs: 45%
Should Bush veto the bill
No = 48%
Yes = 43%
24. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 12:11 PM |
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25. Posted by _Mike_ | April 11, 2007 12:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BarneyG2000:
According the LA Times poll (released yesterday) a majority of Americans are backing the Dems play:
I understand that you're a Liberal so you're likely at least mathematically challenged if not generally mentally challenged.
45% is not a majority. 48% is not a majority.
50%+1 would be a majority.
25. Posted by _Mike_ | April 11, 2007 12:21 PM |
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26. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 12:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No, according to the LA Times, a slight majority of people polled agree with the Democrats.
26. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 12:22 PM |
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27. Posted by Peter F. | April 11, 2007 12:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barney:
Given that most polls have a +/- 3-4% margain for error, that means diddly.
27. Posted by Peter F. | April 11, 2007 12:24 PM |
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28. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 12:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey Barn....great bit of research. A lib qouting an LA Times poll!!!! Now that's unique! Kinda like picking up the phone and talking to yourself. Please keep up the good work.
28. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 12:25 PM |
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29. Posted by DaveD | April 11, 2007 12:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I believe in the eyes of the average American Nancy is not really losing anything. I am not sure how many people on the street really could name the Speaker of the House let alone care that she is over there. After all, look how many other legislators have traveled overseas on "fact finding" missions. So, if nothing comes of it, big deal, nothing was expected. If something does, it makes Bush look bad no matter what she had to say in secret to get a bone thrown to her. Her worst nightmare would likely be actually having responsiblity for something of consequence and she is not willing to do that right now. I am sure at some point in the future she will voluntarily or involuntarily find that she must be a legislative leader and assume responsibility for SOMETHING in the role of her job description. Bush owes her nothing. This is all political. Just as the Sunni/Shia or the Fatah/Hamas clashes have provided a temporary respite from the focus on destroying Israel, it would be fun to sit back and see Nancy and Hillary duke it out for the title of "Most Powerful Woman in America" using these stupid political games they play.
29. Posted by DaveD | April 11, 2007 12:25 PM |
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30. Posted by Gayle Miller | April 11, 2007 12:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have been blogging that Mrs. Pelosi should be prosecuted under The Logan Act (and I have posted the full text of the Act). She is further in violation of the separation of powers which reserves the conducting of foreign policy to the EXECUTIVE.
She should be prosecuted, convicted, impeached and sent to prison. The order is irrelevant. Just so it's done.
30. Posted by Gayle Miller | April 11, 2007 12:28 PM |
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31. Posted by Gayle Miller | April 11, 2007 12:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
My late father frequently said that "figures lie and liars figure" and in 65 years on this planet, I have never seen reason to dispute that phrase. Still don't. Especially when the poll is conducted by the L.A. Times, a known bastion of unreasoning BDS!
31. Posted by Gayle Miller | April 11, 2007 12:32 PM |
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32. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 12:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I guess you guys don't like the poll results? Mike, it is a majority of those that answered the question.
The findings are significant because a majority of Americans are either for:
-Defunding
or
-Setting a timeline
The last of the GOP talking points are going down in flames.
32. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 12:33 PM |
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33. Posted by Peter F. | April 11, 2007 12:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I guess you guys don't like the poll results?
What results.
The results are negligible. The most they do is show how sharply divided America is on the subject.
Now you're the one trying to spin it by claiming (in your own words) "a majority of Americans are backing the Dems play"
What a bunch of bull dung.
33. Posted by Peter F. | April 11, 2007 12:40 PM |
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34. Posted by WildWillie | April 11, 2007 12:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow! Again the liberal lefties hypocritical stance comes out. I do not know why I am surprised. I seem to remember GW asking the democratic leadership to come to the table to discuss revamping social security. Both these magnificent leaders said as long as partial privatization is on the table, we are not going to negotiate. A pre-condition? Yup.
There is ALWAYS a ground work before negotiations. Only mature business people understand that. It always comes down to the core of the lefties; they do not like the military. This is just a tool they are using to stop them. ww
34. Posted by WildWillie | April 11, 2007 12:42 PM |
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35. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 12:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I know Barn.....you "speak for all america"...lolol Isn't that Harry Reid's line?
35. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 12:43 PM |
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36. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What brave leaders we see on the Dem side. Won't meet with the President (please forget that THEY have their own preconditions like "surrender" as distated by Markos and the other moonbat kings), won't go on the evil Fox network, but willingly visit the leaders of terrorist-sponsoring states!
FDR, JFK, Scoop Jackson, Hubert Humphrey must be doing a 2 1/2 wit a twist in their graves.
36. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 12:46 PM |
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37. Posted by Zelsdorf Ragshaft III | April 11, 2007 12:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here is a little meat for you Pelosi lovers. Seems Ms Pelosi, Senator FeinStein, Senator Boxer and Ms Pelosi's nephew, Gavin Newsome, the Mayor of San Fran. are involved in something to do with the redevelopement of Hunters Point Naval base. Seems Senator Feinstein's husband is the main contractor involved. I think more information is available at a CA website as there is a lawsuit concerning shody work by the Senator's better half. Interesting how birds of a feather flock together. Hope they hang all of them.
37. Posted by Zelsdorf Ragshaft III | April 11, 2007 12:55 PM |
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38. Posted by Larkin | April 11, 2007 1:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have been blogging that Mrs. Pelosi should be prosecuted under The Logan Act (and I have posted the full text of the Act). She is further in violation of the separation of powers which reserves the conducting of foreign policy to the EXECUTIVE. She should be prosecuted, convicted, impeached and sent to prison. The order is irrelevant. Just so it's done.
So surely Gayle, you must maintain that Newt Gingrich should have been impeached for this?
The raging hypocrisy of Wizbangers never ceases to amaze me.
38. Posted by Larkin | April 11, 2007 1:04 PM |
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39. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 1:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Larkin,
There's no hypocrasy in my statement. I've said it before: Republican or Democrat, it's wrong to travel abroad to set a parallel U.S. policy.
Was what Newt said condradictory to the standing policy, or was he just stupid about how he said it? Seems to be the latter.
39. Posted by Heralder | April 11, 2007 1:09 PM |
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40. Posted by Scrapiron | April 11, 2007 1:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Why would anyone question Peeeeloshi's loyalty, patriotism or care about the rule of law in the United States. She has proven herself to be a traitor by violating the constitution and U.S. law. There is no question left except 'why isn't she in jail or facing a firing squad'?
When you play to the lowest common denominator 'the nutroots' of the country you are as low as they are. The nutroots even argue that the AH Edwards and his wife, who is a worse AH, are normal caring Americans.
There is a fool born every day, all of them from the past hundred years have gathered in the democrat party.
40. Posted by Scrapiron | April 11, 2007 1:11 PM |
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41. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 1:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Larkin.....wasn't Newt's comments a reiteration of Clinton's policy?????I think SO.
Nice try.
41. Posted by metprof | April 11, 2007 1:28 PM |
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42. Posted by engineer | April 11, 2007 1:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Seems like the LATimes poll quote is somewheres around a 40/30/30 split of Dem/Ind/Rep.
Sorry but i don't have the time to do the math to get exact figures, only a rough estimate.
42. Posted by engineer | April 11, 2007 1:38 PM |
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43. Posted by Ray | April 11, 2007 1:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If the Secretary of State were to personally interpret the will or direction of the United States: anarchy would rule, if not treason. Should we, the lowly citizen expect next a call to the United Nations to support the intentions of a congress person over the President. The powers of government discourage a foreign influent approach. That is what I was taught in Junior High. The Party will take the heat for this maneuver.
43. Posted by Ray | April 11, 2007 1:59 PM |
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44. Posted by hansel2 | April 11, 2007 2:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
She has proven herself to be a traitor by violating the constitution and U.S. law. There is no question left except 'why isn't she in jail or facing a firing squad'?
First of all, she's hardly violating the constitution or the law. And suggesting she should be in front of a firing squad? Man, dude, you gotta get a hold of your anger. Not just because it's ugly but whatever point your trying to make is completely lost due to such extreme ridiculousness.
44. Posted by hansel2 | April 11, 2007 2:00 PM |
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45. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 2:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Duncy Pelosi YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME , STUPID WITCH. NOR YOU HARRY REID. These assholes do not speak for the American People , they speak for their fellow Communist Socialist Dictators some who just happen to have a fetish for cutting off the heads of the American People.
Hey Barney, please provide the names of these people polled if you would. The LA TIMES is a joke. They send kids around the city to sell their democrat propaganda shit paper at night. They all give the same sob story that their High School didn't have the funds to buy basketball uniforms because they spent it all on Home Coming or some other event. The democrats are despicable sending kids to sell their propaganda under the guise of "it will help pay for uniforms". What more proof does anyone need that the democrats are completely incompetant , failures and frauds.
I would drive all the way to DC to see that treasonous bitch hang by her chicken neck but we don't do that anymore. Democrats have corrupted everything they can get their filthy hands on and are in the business of maintaining stupid people like Lee and Barney. It's no suprise when the Communist Democrats claim this Country is not worth dying for to keep from being taken over. Just look at the progress made by the Cowards and liars have made in their quest to take total control.
Is it too much to ask to enforce the Law and rid this Country of these traitorous frauds?. President Bush , do your fricken job and rid us of these parasitic enemies from within.
Hey Barney how do your leaders claim to speak for the People when their approval rating as a Democrat Majority in Congress was only 25%? That's Less than the President Bush you moron. So your propagandist Media puts out a bogus poll putting them at 40% and it gives you impotent losers a rise. So your democrat masters disapproval ratings went from 75% to 60% , how the hell does that translate as "Speaking for the People"?
The biatch that nobody knew when her party deceived their way into the Majority. 75% Nancy who?
45. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 2:09 PM |
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46. Posted by DaveD | April 11, 2007 2:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barney, since you seem to think polls should determine how we run policy then you would agree with the statements Jay made a week or two ago. I paraphrase: if the majority of Americans dislike the income tax, then close the IRS; if the majority of Americans want to manage their own retirement, they are free to opt out of Social Security; if the majority of Americans with no kids don't want pay local taxes to fund public education,..... I'm sure you get my drift. Where do you draw the line on the importance of polling data as determining policy?
46. Posted by DaveD | April 11, 2007 2:41 PM |
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47. Posted by average wizbang poster | April 11, 2007 3:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The biatch that nobody knew when her party deceived their way into the Majority.
No deceptions. Actually, it's called an election. And your party lost, okay? I know it's hard to comprehend, but that's how it works.
47. Posted by average wizbang poster | April 11, 2007 3:41 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 15:41
48. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 3:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Rob your post makes no sense at all.
DaveD, if you do not believe that politicians are influenced by poll then you do not understand how our democratic process works.
There is some good news coming out of Iraq. According to the Red Cross kids are going back to school:
"Millions of Iraqis are in a 'disastrous' situation that is getting worse, with mothers appealing for someone to pick up the bodies on the street so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them on their way to school, the international Red Cross said Wednesday."
Now if we can only improve the garbage pickup.
48. Posted by BarneyG2000 | April 11, 2007 3:45 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 15:45
49. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 3:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Democrats pick and choose which polls to use according to their needs. Or they can just make things up like they are with the last election. It's nothing but a fall guy to blame or to hide their true hidden agenda.
Democrats want us lose the war period. Theey and their media create discontent with the war, use emotion to create outrage and calls to bring our troops home. Those idiots blinded by hate and emotion can't even register that means us losing. Democrats happy as can be. Despicable losers they are.
49. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 3:46 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 15:46
50. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 3:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Millions ? You're fricken POS Barney.
"Rob your post makes no sense at all."
To a stupid parroting democrat.
The reason Millions are now resorting to Home Schooling is so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them, Stupid Propagandist liberal scumbags.
50. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 3:54 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 15:54
51. Posted by hansel2 | April 11, 2007 4:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It sounds like Rob has finally gone over the edge. His postings on this thread bring up images of him as a drunk in his undershirt, holding a bottle of Night Train Express and stumbling around his filthy house ranting this gibberish.
Hopefully, Rob, you will throw up shortly and sleep this off as you lie in your own filth and vomit.
51. Posted by hansel2 | April 11, 2007 4:32 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 16:32
52. Posted by nikkolai | April 11, 2007 5:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm betting that if San Fran Nan goes to visit President Nutjob in Iran, she'll have to take a new set of kneepads. The set she took to Syria is badly worn.
Then again, if rumors are correct--he will not allow her to orally service him. Now if she were a boy, that's a different story....
52. Posted by nikkolai | April 11, 2007 5:20 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 17:20
53. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 5:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hansel, you poor deluded and misguided fool. You expect people to jump for joy and celebrate democrats despicable behavior , betraying our Country , causing the deaths of hundreds possibly thousands of Patriotic True Americans with their support of the Enemy? Their dope fiend antics in their lust for power is the most groteque display by a Political Party in the History of our Country.
"Rob, you will throw up shortly and sleep this off as you lie in your own filth and vomit."
It would take such a irresponsible behavior to bring on the expected vomitting the results of which leave one is a state of filth and disgrace.
Sorry to inform you this is furthest from the truth , however if I should ever desire to subject myself to such abuse I can simply surround myself with people like you and your numbskullery.
53. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 11, 2007 5:26 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 17:26
54. Posted by DaveD | April 11, 2007 5:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barney, I think there is a difference between politicians being influenced by polls versus politicians feeling obligated to make every decision based on polling data.
54. Posted by DaveD | April 11, 2007 5:43 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 17:43
55. Posted by The obvious | April 11, 2007 5:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Has anyone pointed out that Pelosi has confrimed that she IS NOT GOING to Iran? Did anyone - the San Fran Chronicle, Drudge, Kim - even contact Pelosi's office to ask for confirmation? No? Oh well...
Move along nothing more to see.
55. Posted by The obvious | April 11, 2007 5:51 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 17:51
56. Posted by average wizbang poster | April 11, 2007 6:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think Rob needs a woman or something. Too much stress built up there, clouds the thinking.
56. Posted by average wizbang poster | April 11, 2007 6:10 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 18:10
57. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 6:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It's really absurd that you don't know where Nancy Pelosi's loyalties really lie. It's like you think anyone who disagree with Bush is a traitor.
Bush is an officeholder. He's NOT the country.
Pelosi believes that you should try talking to people you disagree with. It's not a new concept; sometimes good things happen when you do it, and sometimes they don't. But it's a perfectly reasonable position which, I bet, at least half the country would agree with...
57. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 6:30 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 18:30
58. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 6:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Supporting the enemy? That's absurd! In no way was she supporting the enemy. What are you talking about?!
58. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 6:35 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 18:35
59. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 6:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
1. Bush had a decisive precondition for a talk: the Democrats must give up and support Bush's position.
2. Unlike Kim, the Democrats understand that Iraq and Afghanistan are different countries, and that the Global War on Terror is a political term used to confuse the two.
3. Talking is talking. Pelosi (and the Democrats) in no way support bad things Syria does.
Take a chill pill!
59. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 6:41 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 18:41
60. Posted by marc | April 11, 2007 7:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The fallout from the Accidental Diplomat's trip to Syria is still ringing the globe.
This time from The Reform Party of Syria:
The result of the Pelosi trip on Middle Eastern reformists is having quite a chilling effect. Five years of investment by the US State Department and the Bush administration in organizations and people who have committed their lives to helping their oppressed countries is being flushed away by the Democrats in Congress who, with the visit of Pelosi to Syria, have shown that they favor the stability of dictatorships to freedom even if they had a direct hand in killing American troops in Iraq.
For Nancy Pelosi to cajole with Assad who has facilitated the killing of American soldiers is a travesty. RPS wants to remind all the Democrats in Congress what Assad has been up to in building terrorist bases in Syria. Many of the Democrats already know it because they get the same good intelligence as the National Security Council or the DIA. The US public has not been informed of these training terrorist bases because the media is disinterested in highlighting any reason that would prompt Bush to take action. Without public support, the US can never achieve success in the hard and long struggle to subdue extremism and to spread freedom.
Assad has built four different bases in Syria that we know of to train terrorists to send them to Iraq.
60. Posted by marc | April 11, 2007 7:26 PM |
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61. Posted by marc | April 11, 2007 7:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Larkin
The raging hypocrisy of Wizbangers never ceases to amaze me.
Amazing Larkin. you pull the "hypocrisy card" with no knowledge whether she would condemn Gingrich or not.
Geesh... did it hurt bad when your knee slammed into your chin in the classic knee-jerk reaction.
That said, the trip you note included VP Goracle. Pelosi's trip not only failed to include Cheney but she was specifiaclly told not to go by the State Dept and Bush.
61. Posted by marc | April 11, 2007 7:46 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 19:46
62. Posted by marc | April 11, 2007 7:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Publicus
2. Unlike Kim, the Democrats understand that Iraq and Afghanistan are different countries, and that the Global War on Terror is a political term used to confuse the two.
Interesting statement. Does using the term Global War on Terror also add confusion to the islamofacist war that continues today in Morocco, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, Somolia, Palestine, Lebanon...etc...etc?
62. Posted by marc | April 11, 2007 7:52 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 19:52
63. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 7:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If you believe this, I've got this wonderful little bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...
63. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 7:54 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 19:54
64. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 7:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It does if it makes you think that all those countries are identical and don't require policies that take into account KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THEM and their INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
I think that's the whole idea. The GWOT makes it sound like there's a unified worldwide conspiracy of like-minded people and we need to invade and bomb them all.
It's that kind of "thinking" (sic) that makes (some) people believe that a lousy secular dictator like Hussein was working hand-in-hand with fanatical religious fanatics like Al Queda.
64. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 7:59 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 19:59
65. Posted by slingshot | April 11, 2007 8:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
to all of those who have posed the question in a rhetorical manner,let me put it for you very clearly:
To the deadenders (supporters of Bush) disagreeing with the leader makes you a traitor. period. after all this time there should be no need for anyone to think otherwise. thus, as long as the democrats are not trying to bow down to every whim of W, they will be labelled traitors by the deadenders. let us consider this established fact and move on. it is virtually pointless to have a discussion over why pelosi is a traitor ornot loyal to america, when we know quite clearly the rationale for this thinking. is it absurd that anyone could seriously question the loyalty of the speaker of the house of the united states? of course. welcome to the deadend.
i will also like to just mention that a few days ago, when the fat turd blossom was protested at american university, many posters on blogs said many nasty things about him (he should be lynched, etc) to which great outraged was expressed by conservatives. here we have, an elected public official (unlike rove) Pelosi making foreign trips, and what do people on whiz bang call for? a firing squad, hanging, etc... STFU. i am outraged only at your faux outrage and hypocrisy, not at your "shaking my tiny fist" tough statements.
65. Posted by slingshot | April 11, 2007 8:22 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 20:22
66. Posted by Steve of Norway | April 11, 2007 8:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just LOVE seeing you leftist loons trip over yourselves denying reality when it comes to this pathetic woman. Groveling to terrorist states and making us look even weaker.
It would've been like Reagan groveling to Gorbechev or Qadaffi...whereas the demicrats look like Teddy Kennedy trying to kiss up to the Soviets in the 80's.
66. Posted by Steve of Norway | April 11, 2007 8:29 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 20:29
67. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 8:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I saw no groveling. (That was in your imagination.) I DID see someone who wasn't afraid to talk with people she had disagreements with.
67. Posted by Publicus | April 11, 2007 8:37 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 20:37
68. Posted by Steve of Norway | April 11, 2007 8:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Of course you wouldn't see that pubes...you live in the liberal fantasy-land where you guys are tough on terror...just don't call it "war on terror".
68. Posted by Steve of Norway | April 11, 2007 8:47 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 20:47
69. Posted by slingshot | April 11, 2007 9:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
why is that you people will point the blame at everyone BUT Bush, your oh so beloved COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the world, for making us look bad? why is it that the guy in charge is NEVER held accountable, no matter what happens? why is that?
69. Posted by slingshot | April 11, 2007 9:14 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 21:14
70. Posted by Peter F. | April 11, 2007 11:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
slingshot:
Exactly what planet are you posting from?
70. Posted by Peter F. | April 11, 2007 11:17 PM |
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Posted on April 11, 2007 23:17
71. Posted by nikkolai | April 12, 2007 12:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
slingshot is a complete waste of time. When I see that particular handle at the end of a post, I quickly skip it.
71. Posted by nikkolai | April 12, 2007 12:00 PM |
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Posted on April 12, 2007 12:00
72. Posted by hansel2 | April 12, 2007 2:01 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Hansel, you poor deluded and misguided fool. You expect people to jump for joy and celebrate democrats despicable behavior , betraying our Country , causing the deaths of hundreds possibly thousands of Patriotic True Americans with their support of the Enemy?
Uh...are you high? Thousands of patriotic Americans - our soldiers - have died at the hands of those who could CARE LESS about them. This administration started this war, the republican congress and senate had the votes to override whatever ANY democrat could do - so what planet exactly are you on?
The ONLY reason Democrats have any semblance of power now is because the majority of the American people - the smart ones (obviously not you) - have voted them in to take the administration and their supporters to task. This is what the American public wants, no matter how much you cry foul or conspiracy - or whatever drunken rant you feel the need to spew.
Only a true fool ignores fact for fiction, reality for fantasy and supports a man who has lied to them 600 days till Sunday. Call me a fool all you want, Rob. In the real world, my opinion is in the majority and yours is that of a small militant fanatical loony who, if it were in the majority, would be the true enemy of our country.
72. Posted by hansel2 | April 12, 2007 2:01 PM |
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Posted on April 12, 2007 14:01
73. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 12, 2007 6:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I believe you believe that.
73. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 12, 2007 6:03 PM |
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Posted on April 12, 2007 18:03
74. Posted by KevKUSA | November 10, 2007 1:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Nancy Pelosi and her acts of flagrant disregard for her Country are treasonous. She acted like the spoiled child she has always been when taking the place of a diplomat which obviously "she is not." We may be "bogged down" in this war in Iraq however, noble was the cause and their people far and above out-numbered our own people going to the polls. Nancy Pelosi would sell her soul "and her Country" for the spotlight.
74. Posted by KevKUSA | November 10, 2007 1:19 PM |
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Posted on November 10, 2007 13:19