Kim

Where were you singing Woodward's praises when State of Denial was published?

What's more, you should have heard Michael Scheuer tonite saying that the real threat toi America was AQ in Afghanistan & Pakistan, where your Chimp took his eyes off the prize a long time ago and where AQ is now resurrgent.

Further, you post," Pelosi and Reid don't seem to care about the troops."

The problem is that people like you Kim and your war-mongering bretheren seem to care about the troops only when that issue can be used as a wedge against those who are opposed to the war.

Have you read any of the WaPo articles by Dana Priest on Sun. and today that show just how little the Republic Party and Bush care about the troops who have come home, mangled by your war machine? Where is your concern w/ these abandoned maimed troops? I guess they are not much your concern because they haven't any use to you in your trashing of Democrats. You are one sicko of a dragon lady.

I tend to agree - the Democrats' 'principled' stand is ONLY about political advantage and power at this point. They could care less about the people in Iraq, because THEY can't vote for Democrats here in the US! They're friggin' worthless, except as cannon fodder to blast Bush with!

In less than two years, Bush is going to be history. At that point, the Democrats are going to be faced with a war against terrorism, whether they want to be or not. And that war would be ongoing whether Gore, Nader, or anyone else had won the White House in '00.

My feeling is they'll blame Bush for everything that happens in the year following it - and then people will go "Okay, you've had control... why the hell aren't you doing anything?"

IF the Dems get what they want and we pull back from Iraq, you can bet that Syria and Iran will move in. You'll see a bloodletting like you haven't seen since '75, when we cut off support to the Vietnamese. And the press will gladly ignore it, focusing instead on the Bimboscandal-du-jour.

But the world will be watching. And it'll see that the US's foriegn policy stays steady for just two consecutive Presidential terms... and after that, it's a crapshoot which direction it'll go.

Kim writes;

...Pelosi and Reid don't seem to care about the troops. If they did they certainly wouldn't cut the funding that supports their efforts in Iraq.

WE who are sitting at home, doing nothing, are not fighting the war on behalf of our troops. It is our troops that are fighting our war on behalf of our foreign policy.

Kim, your logic is upside down.

If you really support the troops, you'd have them home with their families.

If you really think Bush supports the troops, look at his VA funding for his long term "balanced budget" proposal. Watch the little "joke" he plays on our vets for 2009 and onward.

But he's pushed his problem off on somebody else... That's his M.O.

"Their efforts to undermine their own country's foreign policy..."

There is no "foreign policy" -- just the Bush doctrine that everyone gave a chance, and the majority have now rejected.

Bush had his chance, and we all gave him room and support -- Democrats and Republicans alike -- but now it has failed, miserably -- and now it is time to move Bush and his failed doctrine aside and do the right thing for this country. Bring the troops home.

The majority elected Bush, the majority supported his efforts -- now that he failed the majority want this mess fixed and the troops brought home. That's simple enough that even a conservative can figure that much out.

Woodward said:

So, you know what really amazes me is that Bush, and Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid don't get together and say, "We've got to come up with a bipartisan strategy and consensus on this." We're all in to a certain extent in this war. And we owe it to the troops.

Kim, you seem to be endorsing Woodward's message here yet I didn't see you singing the praises of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group and its proposals.

Bush isn't interested in a bipartisan approach to Iraq and that was clearly demonstrated by his outright dismissal of the ISG report. I believe there could be a bipartisan strategy on Iraq that would get the support of most Republicans and enough Democrats to win a majority in both houses of Congress. That strategy would involve a phased withdrawal over an extended period of time (perhaps two years) while accelerating our nation building efforts in Iraq across the board.

The real question to ask is why isn't Bush interested in a bipartisan strategy? Why is he insisting on a course of action (the "surge") that will only inflame the Sunnis, leave the Shiite militias untouched, and widen the divide between Sunni and Shiite in Iraq? Why he is choosing a course that increases Iraq's dependence on US forces rather than lessens it? Why is he showing unabashed support for an Iraqi government dominated by pro-Iranian Shiites who have shown no interest at all in a political reconciliation with the Sunnis?

With the exception of JLaw so far we can expect to see the hate and anger from the most deranged supporters of the most despicable and corrupt Party in our Country's History.

Kim

Here's how Bush and your Republic Party honor the Iraqi wounded.

Larkin , Why do lie so much? STFU.

"Why he is choosing a course that increases Iraq's dependence on US forces rather than lessens it?"

You say he is choosing a course of action that...... Thanks for proving again the Democrats and their Media are lie spewing POS's.

What truly is amazing is that the Democrat traitors are still alive and breathing. When is this business of treason going to end?

The Republicans support the troops? Please.

Why did bush cut the veteran benefits in this years budget?

Why is Walter Reed in a total state of disrepair?

Why are Vets getting divorces, committing suicide and suffering psychological damage fair greater than any other segment of the population?

Why are the troops still fighting a war with un-armored vehicles.

How come the Bush administration could loose $12-billion in Iraq, but could not find funds to provide body armor?

Who went to war with they army they had and not the army they wanted?

Murtha's bill requires troops to be fully trained, rested and equipped before deployment. Why didn't the Republicans demand these standards years ago?

Kim

Another face of how Bush and the Republic Party support the troops.

"pukeface" you are so repulsive that the only one that cares what you think are your kos kiddie rejects here. So how about going out to the interstate and step out in front of a 18-wheeler. Be sure and wash some of the slime off first so as not to mess up the truck to bad.

Now I am sure...pelosi and reid have LOST IT...what a bunch of dummies. That doesn't say much for their sheeple either...

Hey Puke, Why don't you tell us something closer to the truth , like How the Clintons Loath the Military?

Tell the People how PIAPS saw a soldier in Uniform at the White House and said Here! take these and pass them around. Being made to pass out orderves for Ms. Thighness.

And once again idiots on the left , democrat suporters don't know the difference between one of our men in uniform or any other.

"Iraqi wounded?" Puke was so excited to Bash Bush he can't even think straight.

But "pucker puss" (lee lee) (RTP) (RM) the majority as it is now are nothing but a bunch of cowards. If they are so gung-ho to end the war why don't they vote to cut off the funds? Huh? They are nothing more then a bunch of hypocrites and that includes the RINOs that vote with them. They care not whether the USA wins are not just as long as they get back in power. If you believe otherwise you are as dumb as dirt.

jhow66, why don't you do the favor and run him over with your '56 Chevy, or are you afraid you might ruin the paint job?

Barney supports the troops by repeating this lie about their Commander in Chief.

"How come the Bush administration could loose $12-billion in Iraq, but could not find funds to provide body armor?"

Why are these assholes still aloud to breath and spew their lies?

They should thank the Bush Administration rather than making false accusations and attack it. This business of treason must come to an end.

Puke/Lee, address the issue--

Why did the Dems, when it was politically expedient, jump on the war bandwagon, and now, jump off???

It's all political expediency. And don't give me that crap that they were getting "cooked" intelligence or didn't know what was going on. They had the same stuff Bush and all the other Western powers + Russia had, and all came to the same conclusion.

You infantile leftwits are like a child that gets caught with your hand in the cookie jar, then when cornered, instead of standing up for what you've done, dwarf into a puerile funk over how "unfair" it has all been to you.

Well, just shut the fuck up and grow up, for once.

Cheeze, where's the Troll Hammer when it's really needed?

Why is it the Republican Party and their boot lickers always say "support the troops?" Just look at the scandle coming out about the medical care the wounded vets are receiving, and all the other BS that goes with it. For the last 6 years, the fucking Repugs have never, NEVER helped the wounded GI's. But they say they support the troops.

The military services need more troops, so all the Repugs between the ages of 18 and 45 should be running down to sign up for military service. Why aren't they? Oh, they already belong to the 82nd Keyboard Division (also known as the chickenhawk division).

So quit the name calling, start calling your Repugs in the Senate and House, and demanding decent medical care for the truly brave, not the keyboard idiots.

Everyone reading this post will know who really cares, and the more you slam this post, the more everyone will realize what a big yellow strip you have down your back.

And in case you are wondering, I am a disabled vet!

"Bush had his chance, and we all gave him room and support -- Democrats and Republicans alike"

Lee , you are a punk ass liar.

-- "now that he failed"

I would like to see every traitor executed ...."Democrats and Republicans alike".

"That's simple enough that even a {Traitor} can figure that much out".

This business of treason must come to an end!

Yeah, Allen, and I'm a labrador retriever with a custom keyboard! Woof!

Glad you read my post there "googleboy". You are right about the paint as pig shit is hard to remove. Just be sure you and he do not step out in front of my truck.

"Bush had his chance, and we all gave him room and support -- Democrats and Republicans alike"

Lee , you are a punk ass liar.

-- "now that he failed"

I would like to see every traitor executed ...."Democrats and Republicans alike".

"That's simple enough that even a {Traitor} can figure that much out".

This business of treason must come to an end!

Allen - I'm a 23 year AF vet, and I think it's rather bizzare you think you need to silence the contrary opinions of people who haven't served. So you trot out the old Chickenhawk line? Yeah, you're really for 'freedom of speech', as long as YOU approve of the speech!

JLawson , sheds light on the some of most shameless tactics used by the democrat party of perpetual fraud. Good Job, quick and funny.

JLawson , sheds light on the some of most shameless tactics used by the democrat party of perpetual fraud. Good Job, quick and funny.

JLawson , sheds light on the some of most shameless tactics used by the democrat party of perpetual fraud. Good Job, quick and funny.

How soon we forget.Bush thought he had sufficient authority to invade Iraq with the permission of congress.Remember the war authority was given to fight and destroy all people and nations that harbored terrorist.The Dems forced a second vote to show how on board they where with Iraq.Remember you moon bats.I bet you tube has all the floor speeches made by these upstanding citizens.Now every one except Lieberman have recanted,and to get away with it they invented Bush lied.They were saying the same things when Clincrap was .in office

Allen: Whoopee Do. I am a disabled vet too. So what? The VA is a huge system of self-serving bureaucrats at odds with a handful of providers who care about their patients more than their VA career. I say privatize the whole lot and give Vets sliding scale insurance to cover all physical and mental health problems letting them choose where to seek their care - and make it illegal for any hospital or provider to refuse to care for them based on their Veteran status. Somehow, I bet it would cost less than what W has in mind for the VA budget. Not that it has ANYTHING to do with this thread.

As far as Bob Woodward goes, I don't really care what he says, and I can't figure out what the big hullabaloo is. Other than the fact he actually said something that makes sense. Sort of.

Zzzzzzzz.

Allen..I'm ANOTHER disabled Vet..in late 68 I came back to a VERY MESSY VA Hospital in Long Beach Ca. Was that Bush's fault too? Please remind Epador and I when the VA Hospital's were REALLY GOOD!..I musta missed it.

Rob,
This could very well be my last posting on Wizbang, let's just say that posting here is no longer in my best interest.

With that said I have an honest question for you. I've enjoyed reading the posts here and have over time noticed a pattern to certain writers. Jhow66 likes to fling insults, Scaprion (sp) can't wait for the next 9/11 event so he/she can blame it on the left. You however are a little harder to figure out. You are informed and articulate but very angry in your writings. A common theme to your postings involve your desire to find someone guilty of treason. You use the word treason a lot, so much so that the word has lost its meaning.

When you wake up one morning soon, turn on the TV to discover that overnight we have attacked Iran and now Russia has made military moves against our interests in the Middle East, how will you react?

Will you be like the majority of Americans and think to themselves "Oh my God now what have Bush/Cheney done? Or will you immediately declare it open season on liberals and start to hunt your fellow Americans down for relocation to the FEMA camps? I'm guessing you'll choose the latter, am I right?

Something to ponder tonight as you drift off to sleep.

People are really starting to realize what the loathesome democrats are all about. They can't hide much longer. They are one with the enemy.

You are one sicko of a dragon lady.
Posted by: aRepukelican at February 19,

aPuke you ref Michael Scheuer (a/k/a "Anonymous" when he wrote Imperial Hubris and prior to that Through Our Enemies' Eyes) do you really want to ref this guy?

He has serious Michael Moore tendencies:

[B]in Laden's philosophy and action have embodied many of the same sentiments that permeate the underpinnings of concepts on which the United States itself is established.

***

Osama bin Laden appears to be a geniunely pious Muslim; a devoted family man; a talented, focused, and patient insurgent commander; a frank and eloquent speaker; a successful businessman; and an individual of conviction, intellectual honestly, compassion, humility, and physical bravery (3).

aPuke... me thinks you true colors are showing by siding with this guy.

Hardly surprising. But wait... there's more:

[B]in Laden's character, religious certainty, moral absolutism, military ferocity, integrity, and all-or-nothing goals are not much different from those of individuals whom we in the United States have long identified and honored as religious, political, or military heroes, men such as John Brown, John Bunyan, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Paine (5).

Need more? OK... he goes on to draw parallels between Osama's first Declaration of war in 1996 and his second in 1998, a "Jihad against Jews and Crusaders," with the US Declaration of Independence.

NICE company you identify with aPuke.

The biggest problem is the largest disaster won't be in the middle east. It will be right here in the U.S. and it won't do us a lot of good to look down at hundreds of thousands of dead dhimmi's and say 'I told you so', but we will do it.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

Like it or not, lie about it if you want. This WMD is in the hands of a terrorist government somewhere.

"This could very well be my last posting on Wizbang"

Sorry to hear that

"You use the word treason a lot, so much so that the word has lost its meaning"

Please, your going to make my head swell and it might cause me to vote democrat again. The word has been useless since Fraud Kerry and his Party neutered it.

As for the rest of your Question , Sorry , I don't do what if's after 11:00.

So much hate in so little time and space .....

First thanks for the laugh. Seeing people, like aRepukelican and Allen, lecture others on "stopping the name calling" WHILE they call others names is pretty funny.

I was also amazed at the number of people who dutifilly dragged out the one or two articles they found that matched their long-held idea of the "truth" - even though the article was just published and therefore they apparently had nothing to support their position before.

For those claiming that "Bush cut the VA funding", I suggest a course in PoliSci 101 to replace the 6th grade civics class you missed. Increasing appropriations - which he has done - means that he DIDN'T cut the VA funding.

Now, you may have a point arguing that he didn't increase appropriations enough - and get support for your POV - but then you couldn't make this his, and only his, fault. You might actually have to put yourself out for those veterans yourself then.

That PoliSCI course would also help you to understand that George Bush will only be the president for a few weeks in 2009. Anyone who points to the 2009 budget to "prove" Bush doesn't care about the veterans is simply lying.

If the VA is underfunded, don't write the President - write your Congressman. Congress - not the President - approves the budget. If the VA was underfunded before it was Congress' fault. If it is underfunded now or in the next year, it is the fault of THIS Congress.

And for the cheap shots about "Republicans not doing anything" ... Really?

Darn, who am I making those packages and crocheting those afghans for? They have military addresses and claim they are members of the military? The post office is charging me for APO addresses ...

Get off your butts and quit whining about what someone else "isn't doing". DO SOMETHING YOURSELF.

www.soldiersangels.org

Thousands of people - whose politics range from the most ardent anti-war positions to those most supportive of the current efforts in Iraq - are putting aside their differences to support the troops and make them their focus.

People are "doing" something. Saying that one group or another is doing nothing only says to the rest of us that YOU ARE DOING NOTHING. Otherwise, you would know that what you said is untrue.

Well done OV.

Funny how the loonbats turn the largest VA budget increases in decades into "Bush cuts" benefits.

Well, let me rephrase that... their disingenuous frauds.

Here is the rebuttal to the loonbats both in and out of Congress t5hat have hung their collective hats on "Bush is staying the course and has no plan."

It's the 11 point plan that the men in charge of U.S. Victory in Iraq have submitted to The White House, The Pentagon and the State Department. (courtesy Pat Dollard)

Live@9, you won't be missed if you leave. I guarantee that.

You give us another false assertion the Left loves, the idea that a "majority" of Americans want us out of Iraq, are in "horror" over Bush/Cheney. Don't project your own delusions onto the rest of us.

A majority of Americans want us to win, and don't feel we've been winning lately. Most, but not all Americans, as you and your brethren trolls prove, are winners, and just want the thing won and done.

I won't call you a traitor, but you really are a sniveling little fool.

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