Even an unsincere, "I am ashamed and chastened" from someone like a Clinton gets you far down the redemption highway.

But you got to utter the words, even if you don't mean them, before getting credit for being a redeemable person.

As a cheap shot aside, I would say that most libs. and Dems. have a much harder time with this than Repubs. and conservatives. Must be tied into that failure to gift to the poor thing they have on their side.

Jay Tea, Politically, your verrry religious in an Unum Sanctum sort of way. Replace "Bishop of Rome" with "Bush 43". And the approbations are kinda Church Lady-ish. "Deacon, whack Eason's pee pee!"

Why would they acknowledge, apologize, repent or make any other decent response when they are part of the "Club" (the MSM) and get promoted in some way for such transgressions? After all, to them, the real enemy is President Bush and anything goes in the liberal's war.

gc

"...then alleged atrocities without a shred of evidence"

What about the reports of a meeting between President Bush and PM Tony Blair where Bush reportedly suggested bombing the headquarters of the Al-Jazerra network?

PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo reveals.

But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.

A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.

The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation.

Seems like a pretty big shred, Jay...

Jay: "Sincerity, Baby! Once you can fake that, you've got it made!"

bryan & Lee: Let's impeach Bush & try him for treason--the death penalty! Let's do it! Let's do it!!! Why is Pelosi ("Hairy" in Italian--explains the eternally freshly waxed face of the ruling party's answer to Bo Derek) not asking for impeachment & then death? Well, let's impeach her too!

The burning Bush thing is way played out. Try fearing Reyes's ignorance instead.

Lee, bombing enemy propaganda outlets is routine in war.

Jay Tea, you forgot Dan Rather, who's still working (not for CBS though) and still believes in the TANG memos.

Ever since he got that $100 dollar signing bonus, Jay has been very judgemental...

Jay: Might also want to include Mary Mapes on your list; the harpy that continues to defend Dan ("fake but accurate") Rather.

"But I've always thought that a key prerequisite for forgiveness is that the transgressor has to acknowledge the offense, make amends, and make a sincere effort towards atoning for the sins."

Some do it with style:

"Nope, no weapons over there ... maybe under here"

Let's see now, Lee. The fact that they were reporting from behind enemy lines might make it difficult to discern who is a legitimate target. Isn't that possible? Since terrorists hide behind women and children already... but no. Your opinion is that it was likely purposeful because of an anonymous person's account of a conversation that may or may not have occurred and may or may not have been serious.

Odd that Jordan didn't complain about terrorists killing, kidnapping or beheading journalists which is on flim and for which credit has been claimed.

"bombing enemy propaganda outlets is routine in war."

If this is true then why are the offices of the NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, NPR, CNN, & the DNC still standing?

If this is true then why are the offices of the NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, NPR, CNN, & the DNC still standing?

Being biased or bad isn't the issue. Al-Jazeera's reporters are known for showing up at suicide bombing sites BEFORE the bomb goes off. That's several orders of magnitude worse asshattery.

Count me cynical. But what does it take it to kill a journalistic career? I would say doggedly pursuing a dangerous investigation that threatens major figures of the ruling political establishment. Even the so called liberal media outlets will circle the wagons, when a story is too early on the learning curve of the nation. An example of what happens when truth meets power too early is Gary Webb's career

As with the case of Jeff Gannon, he had the balls to ask about the malfeance of the Democrats. The drive bys were all over him like stink on shit. They called him all kinds of vile names and accused him of being a homosexual without any proof. Even the so-called conservatives turned their backs on him when he needed help.

I would say doggedly pursuing a dangerous investigation that threatens major figures of the ruling political establishment.

Yeah, that Watergate thing really crushed reporters' careers. I mean, I hear Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein never worked in journalism after that.

Very true.

Checkout the Sunday Morning show crowd (Krauthammer, Kristol, Styne, etc). For being 100% wrong on the Iraq War, they get brought back to tell us what we should do now.

I know what to do. Shun these losers and never give them an outlet where people can hear what they say again.

I am amazed but not surprised at the level the liberals on this thread would stoop to defend the despicable actions of Eason Jordan (either by not condemning him, changing the subject, or making moral equivalency with folks like Krauhammer etc...). The liberals either do not understand or are willfully ignorant. Here is Jay 's central point again:

Eason Jordan, while with CNN, willingly covered up and concealed Saddam Hussein's atrocities and brutalities, then later accused the United States military of targeting journalists in Iraq. In other words, he suppressed real, indisputable evidence of atrocities, then alleged atrocities without a shred of evidence -- and in both cases, the end result was to impugn the United States and lend aid and comfort to our enemies.

jp2, they haven't actually given me that signing bonus yet. If you think I'm judgmental now, wait until it finally comes through.

J.

lee. you're linking to The Mirror for your source material now?Q?

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHH.

Are we counting the aliens in the State Department too??

HARAAAAAhahahahahahahahahahah.

You're such a card lee.

Stick around, really.

"Sources say" that Lee has homosexual lovers tied up in his basement for his pleasure.

See, Pee, you can find a source for anything a la The Mirror (a pretty iffy tabloid). Had you ever actually been to London, and read the broad sheet, you'd know that. But that would mean leaving your computer for a few days; out of the question.

Robert, based on your standard, we should not listen to the Democrats who so badly managed Iran, Nicaragua, Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. Remember how you fellas reacted when Reagan called a spade a spade with the his truthful labeling of the "Evil Empire."

Remember the weak kneed leftists trying to prevent Pershing missiles in Europe?

And they thought we could never win the Cold War, and what use is it to have have "Star Wars" programs, etc., etc., and the list goes on.

On this basis, we should never listen to another Democrat ever again.

Jay

You labor over the alleged transgressions of Eason Jordan and his alleged cover-up of Saddam's atrocities....

yet you swallow the coverup of Bush's & Cheney's
atrocities in lying this country into war and their wanton wasting of 3000 American troops along with their grinding up of another 22,000 American casualties along with 10's of thousands of Iraqi "collateral" casualties.

If you can so esily accept these atrocities, why strain yourself over Jordan?

Ug -- YES!! SUMMARILY EXECUTE THEM!!! EXECUTE THEM!! THEY ARE GUILTY OF ATROCITIES!! NO TRIAL IS NECESSARY!!

Lithium, Ug. It's very calming.

Bush's & Cheney's atrocities in lying

So, lying is an atrocity now? Funny, it sure didn't seem that way ten years ago...

See, Pee, you can find a source for anything a la The Mirror (a pretty iffy tabloid). Had you ever actually been to London, and read the broad sheet, you'd know that. But that would mean leaving your computer for a few days; out of the question.

As a former Brit who has lived in London, I am quite familiar with the Mirror. And it surprises me that Lee would link to a far-right wing rag such as this (it makes FOX look like CNN). The Mirror is a cheerleader for the BNP, and that alone disqualifies it for me from being a good journalistic source. My cat wouldn't even shit on it.

a far-right wing publication?? You're right - my bad. That explains why wiznuts think it's a worthless POS.

"You labor over the alleged transgressions of Eason Jordan and his alleged cover-up of Saddam's atrocities...."

Um, Jordan admitted it.

Forgive Lee, Lord, for he knows not why he links.

mitchell,

That's wide F'n brush you have there.

Since those Dems are also Americans, maybe we shouldn't listen to Americans again (or humans, or those with 2 arms, etc.)

I gave you the names of those who were 100% wrong.
You respond with political affiliations.

God, you're an idiot.