Jay:

Seems to me that you got the Carter one backwards. It should be that Jimmy was a big embarrassment to Billy.

Brother of Harry S. Truman: John Truman's middle name was "Vivian". Does that count?

You have missed the obvious one(s) - The Bush Twins - Drunk and Drunker, my DC insider tells me that way before they were street legal these two were being dragged outta the back doors of some if not most of DC's finest drinking establishments by the SS before they could be snapped by the press.

ClashCity, get your head out of your cymbals. The whole theme of this is BROTHERS of PRESIDENTS. As the Bush Twins are (1) nobody's brother and (B) are not the sibling of a president, they don't make this list.

Hell, I gave you Neil Bush. What more do you want?

J.

There were kids who drank when undersage? I am shocked. It is so unlike most Americans. What a scandal. (sarcasm)

Trolls have to make themselves sick once in a while. Don't they?

Jay, another good piece.

WW

uhh, Billy Bulger was President of U Mass and his brother's on the 10 most wanted list. Does that count? No. Sorry.

Reluctantly, I'd have to agree on letting Ted slide, according to your criteria -- he was still Scoundrel-in-Training at the time (but uncontrovertibly learning at the foot of Jack and Joe, two pretty impressive mentors).

What about brothers of First Ladies, particularly ones who want to be HRH Madame President?

Its time for america to sucead from the UN and tell the UN to GET LOST

Billy Carter was clearly the smarter brother, and made a much greater contribution to this word, Billy Beer, than anything his hate filled Socialist kin has ever done.

President Grant's brother was involved in a scandal with the Bureau of Indian Affairs. George Custer testified against him in the hearings and was demoted to Lt. Col for his efforts. Some have theorized that Custer was sent into a trap at the Little Big Horn as Punishment. Possibly, as soldiers serving under Major Benteen reported they could hear the noise and see the dust from the battle, but somehow Benteen held back and offered no assistance.

Burt -- thanks for offering a contribution that's a bit more than political snottiness.

I dug around and found the transcript of the July 15, 2004 airing of CNN's Paula Zahn Now. It seems that presidential brothers do have a history, including:

MATTINGLY: So maybe LBJ had the right idea when he assigned secret service agents to his binge drinking brother Sam as a way to keep him out of trouble and out of the headlines. A pattern of behavior that might of dated back to childhood. Big brother Lyndon keeping an eye on the rebellious little brother.

And there's a reference to a "Donald Nixon." What'd he do?

--|PW|--

Sisters, what about sisters? Who cares about brothers?

Neil Bush's dinner date with Hinkley Sr on the day Hinkley Jr shot Reagan. Is that too juicy to post here?

Odd enough about Roger Clinton was everyone was waiting for him to do something really stupid to embarrass the Clintons. At one point there was a joke "Countdown to Federal Indictment" for old Rog. The hilarity was Hillary got one first before Roger. Something Don Imus got in a bit of hot water over when he cracked a joke about it at the Press Luncheon.

Since Hillary is running for President and her husband was President is her brother's shenanigans fair game?

So, when the realtives of R's get into trouble, it involves money, when it is the D's it involves the bottle... hmmm.
All annecdotal, of course.

BryanD just cannot grasp the "Sins of the father" notion, can he?
Dude, Fox Mulder (if he were real) would think you're grasping at straws.

SCSIwuzzy, Hey, you gotta admit the sideways approach to subject used in many blog entries here leaves clarity somewhere else. Does Mulder know where? And speaking of teevee friends, I'm happy that Allison Hannigan is back in prime time, but I need Tivo to watch her. Has she let her copper hair grow longer since her lesbian last two years on Buffy? Nothing against lesbians, but to make a Real Looker into a Frumpy one was going too far. Get Mulder on it and report back to me ASAP!

If Hillary ever (God forbid) becomes president, her brothers Hugh and Tony will no doubt get into even more trouble than they got to while Billy was prez. Remember they were profiting on Clinton's pardons and they were ordered to pay back the money? Does anyone ever think that they did? Yeah, right. Also, one of her brothers was once married to Barbara Boxer's daughter and they divorced and he wasn't paying child support. So Hillary's brother was a dead beat dad! Ha.

Roger Clinton - cocaine problems
Billy Carter - alchoholic
Sam H. Johnson - drank at least a lot
Ted Kennedy - also drinking problem

Anybody notice a pattern here? I always heard that some of the others on the list were alchohics as well, but I can't say for certain.

had rumoured cocaine /drinking problems. It's a good thing we are limiting this thread to siblings, and half siblings of Presidents'.

See what happens when you skim and not read, let this be a lesson to all you kiddies out there.

Please accept my humblest of apologies, but I'd still hit the blonde one.

Jay, instead of looking at brothers, why not get down to the point & look at the srew-up-of-all-screw-ups who doesn't even require a brother of ill-repute?

That would leave only one of 43 presidents who was stupid enough to take this nation down his idiotic path to the Grand Debacle of Iraq, leading to wantonly doubling the 9/11 casualties because he was too damn stupid to know the difference between a tamale and the Rio Grande, let alone anything else about foreign affairs.

BushBaby doesn't need a F.U. of a brother because he is the grandest F.U. of them all.

Regarding Neil: Aren't you forgetting about the sworn Q&A testimony he had to lay down at his 2003 divorce trial? Sure, the multiple encounters with those East Asian hookers may have happened prior to his brother's presidency -- not to mention the resultant VD affliction -- but the REVELATION of it all came out while Dubya was well within his first term of office. And the company-provided hookers were just the icing on the cake; the Shanghai-based semiconductor company that backed it all also gave him $2 million in stock for his troubles, plus $10,000 for every board meeting he attended.

In his own words, man: the hookers are getting paid, Neil's getting paid ... he's like the M.C. Escher of whoredom!

So maybe not everything Neil did puts him on the exact same chronological map as his brother's presidency, but the perpetual slime trail he's left, decade after decade, through nearly every facet of his personal and professional life, and up to this very day, certainly qualifies him for at least a slot in the upper echelon of presidential sibling embarrassments.

To say the least.