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Airforce Major Jill Metzger, stationed at Manas Air Base, was shopping in a Kyrgyzstan mall with friends when she disappeared.
From CNN:
(CNN) -- A U.S. Air Force officer is missing after a trip to a shopping mall in Kyrgyzstan, a U.S. military statement said Wednesday.
Maj. Jill Metzger, with the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was last seen shopping at the Zum Shopping Center with others from the Manas Air Base when she disappeared on Tuesday, the statement said."Major Metzger was last seen wearing a green sweater and blue jeans," the statement said.
"She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She is in excellent athletic condition."
Military Web sites describe Metzger as a top-flight marathoner.
Both the Kyrgyz police and the US military are searching for her:
BISHKEK, September 6, 2006 (RFE/RL) -- Kyrgyzstan's Interior Ministry and National Security Service say they have launched a joint operation to locate the U.S. air servicewoman who disappeared on September 5 in Bishkek.
The woman, who has been identified as Major Jill Metzger, is working at the U.S. Manas military air base, near Bishkek.Manas air base public affairs officer Ann Carpenter told RFE/RL's Kyrgyz Service that Metzger disappeared while shopping at Bishkek's main department store (TsUM) with other U.S. base members.
"The [U.S.] 376th Air Expeditionary Wing base officials are working with the U.S. Embassy and local officials to locate the servicemember as soon as possible," Carpenter added.
The U.S. Embassy in Bishkek has issued pictures of a blonde woman as part of the search operation.
Let's hope she's found quickly.
Update: Maj. Metzger was supposed to return home on Thursday and went to the mall to buy souvenirs for her family.
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Well, here we go! The enem... (Below threshold)1. Posted by SurfinKC | September 6, 2006 12:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, here we go! The enemy has been emboldened by the Israeli/U.N./Hezboulah prisoner swap deal. If she has been kidnapped, I fear it will be the first of many attempts.
1. Posted by SurfinKC | September 6, 2006 12:46 PM |
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Posted on September 6, 2006 12:46
2. Posted by SurfinKC | September 6, 2006 12:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here is one of the biggest problems!
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0391D81E-C704-4E7B-9058-4D561F30DDF6.htm
2. Posted by SurfinKC | September 6, 2006 12:58 PM |
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Posted on September 6, 2006 12:58
3. Posted by Chuck Simmins | September 6, 2006 2:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
She's an accomplished marathoner.
3. Posted by Chuck Simmins | September 6, 2006 2:45 PM |
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Posted on September 6, 2006 14:45
4. Posted by Richie | September 6, 2006 6:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just a footnote this country has a tradition called "Bride kidnapping" which means native men kidnap there brides, I am sure this may have happened to her.
I saw this show on Frontline some months back about it!
These guys go in cars hang out near markets and kidnap an unsuspecting women.
They then take them home where other women, who were kidnapped brainwash them
into submitting to the new husband!
Thousands of young Kyrgyz women are married through "ala kachuu," which translates roughly as "grab and run" .
http://hiphoprepublican.com/
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=51852&SelectRegion=Asia
4. Posted by Richie | September 6, 2006 6:56 PM |
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Posted on September 6, 2006 18:56
5. Posted by epador | September 7, 2006 12:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Life on base at Manas is pretty grim, though at least there are some amenities there (last time I went through there was even legit therapeutic massage there). Kyr-Stan is real third-world. The commercial airport is a shell without even decent bathrooms. It seems highly unlikely she decided to stay in country of her own accord.
There are both common criminals as described above as well as a small cadre of Muslim terrorists in the area. I have no idea which would be worse for her.
Here's a sad example of why you are told to always have a partner and never go ANYWHERE alone.
5. Posted by epador | September 7, 2006 12:37 AM |
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Posted on September 7, 2006 00:37
6. Posted by Jim Addison | September 7, 2006 3:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I pray for her and her family.
Something isn't right here, though. Would an abduction take place at a shopping mall where there might be many witnesses? And wouldn't there be some witness statements, then, if it had? Yet - nothing.
The problem is that she went off alone, against typical procedure as epador notes above, and disappears without a trace a few days before she is scheduled to go home.
That's three unusual events happening at the same time. It could be "coincidence," but the reason coincidences are remarkable is that they are actually very rare. Whether we see it or not, there is usually another explanation for one or more of the events occurring when they did.
I'm not suggesting she necessarily disappeared voluntarily, but it is a possibility given the facts as known. It is also possible some colleague is involved, whether or not they met voluntarily at the mall. Or some would-be suitor from the base who knows she is leaving him unrequited . . . This would be rather more likely than a random abduction at a public shopping center with no witnesses.
6. Posted by Jim Addison | September 7, 2006 3:13 AM |
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7. Posted by CGB | September 7, 2006 10:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Google her and you see she is an accomplished marathon runner. So she is reasonably healthy and tough. She comes from an Air Force family, so she is reasonably stable and sane.
Two things: She was abducted or she fled.
If she fled, why? Was she committed to staying in Kyrgyzstan? Was she being harassed at the air base?
If she was abducted, why? Local criminal gangs? There are plenty of young Russian women around in Bishkek, so if in fact she was kidnapped, it means she was targetted.
If she was targetted, why? As an American military woman she is valuable to somebody with an agenda. Those people are either stupid or powerful. Stupid because such a highly-recognizable target is sure to prompt a massive search-and-rescue operation. Powerful because only a well-organized group would be able to nab her and keep things quiet.
There's a film called 'Spartan' a few years back, with Val Kilmer, about a sex-slave ring that accidentally kidnaps the president's daughter. A movie, so it's fiction, but an interesting idea for comparison.
Maybe Metzger was nabbed accidentally by a white-slavery ring in the country who normally take Russian girls. As an American, Metzger was maybe too naively friendly with somebody she met at the Kyrgyz shopping mall, sat down to tea with them, got slipped a mickey, passed out and was slipped away quietly.
We will soon find out, because this is going to get much, much bigger.
7. Posted by CGB | September 7, 2006 10:08 AM |
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8. Posted by Lynn M. | September 7, 2006 2:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I will agree with something does not sound correct, but I know her and she would not do anything stupid like disobey rules and regulations. If they have video of her leaving the shop in 10 minutes why did her collegues leave her at the Mall instead of leaving before they returned to the base, and they never said anything about the camera except they saw her coming out of the department store, also if her phone was used to make 2 local phone calls what were the numbers and why they have not tracked down the person that was called????? As far as the wife thing, even in the move the Spartan they are normally going after younger girls and teenagers, never anyone in their thirties, I'm just praying that she is found soon.
8. Posted by Lynn M. | September 7, 2006 2:27 PM |
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9. Posted by Donald Ruby | September 7, 2006 3:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I personally think the while thing is extremely fishy; I am willing to bet that there was no kidnapping and when the final details are announced it will be a totally different story.
DR
9. Posted by Donald Ruby | September 7, 2006 3:13 PM |
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10. Posted by Bill Robertson | September 7, 2006 3:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Major Jill Metzger and I attended college together at East Carolina University. We were both Air Force ROTC cadets together before we entered the USAF as officers. I have since gotten out of the military, but as someone who actually knows her I can assure you there is NOTHING voluntary about her sudden disappearance. As a former anti-terrorism officer in the Air Force Security Forces I can tell you there are dozens of reasons for a relatively high-profile abduction like this. I just pray the US military finds her safe and sound very quickly! May God be with her and her family in Henderson, NC right now! If her family reads this, I hope they know we're all praying hard every day, several times a day, for Jill's safe return to them.
10. Posted by Bill Robertson | September 7, 2006 3:57 PM |
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11. Posted by Eddy M. | September 7, 2006 5:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I too have know Jill for some time having been stationed with her in Europe. Not only is she an accomplished athlete and excellent military officer, she is also a caring individual.
No matter the situation, let her family know that her friends, cowworkers and many people who had never heard her name before are praying for her safe return.
While it is second nature to guess what has happened, let the facts come as they will .
11. Posted by Eddy M. | September 7, 2006 5:35 PM |
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12. Posted by Ben Macri | September 7, 2006 7:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I also knew Jill at ECU as we were ROTC cadets togther. I agree with Bill, that she would not just go walk off. She has to much to offer the military, and has to much going for her to do that.
12. Posted by Ben Macri | September 7, 2006 7:47 PM |
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13. Posted by epador | September 7, 2006 7:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I want to make clear I support all the friends and family of Jill.
Pooh on the folks fantasizing about her taking a walkabout.
Something bad has happened, we just don't know how bad.
13. Posted by epador | September 7, 2006 7:57 PM |
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Posted on September 7, 2006 19:57
14. Posted by Jen | September 7, 2006 8:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I knew Jill when she was a girl. She was one of my first "I'll be your best friends." I think it's weird that this isn't on the news--it's a really alarming/unusual situation. What a nightmare. I'm still trying to put my mind around little Jill being in the military--not what I would've expected; I knew her family was.. but so was my dad... Jill was always tough though; she could hang with the boys even when they were mean. I shouldn't be surprised by anything I guess. I haven't seen or heard a word about her since eighth grade--that is until now.
14. Posted by Jen | September 7, 2006 8:09 PM |
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15. Posted by Karen A. Davis | September 7, 2006 8:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm out of my mind with worry for my friend, Jill. I was deployed to Manas Air Base in 2003 and have been to the very same store where she was last seen.
She is a top notch officer and a wonderful human being. I knew her before we were commissioned and had the pleasure of serving with her at Ramstein. We played soccer together and she (along with her parents and boyfriend) met up with me in Sarajevo (they were touring, I was deployed there) last summer.
With all of Jill's accomplishments, she was also humble and very kind to everyone. I've looked up to her for a long time and I'm here to tell you if anything happens to her, the world will suffer a great loss as well as the USAF. Jill, I am praying so hard for your safe return.
There is no doubt in my mind--this is beyond her control.
15. Posted by Karen A. Davis | September 7, 2006 8:38 PM |
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16. Posted by Keara U. | September 7, 2006 9:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have known Jill for two years and would say that she is one of the most humble and caring person out there. I too have been deployed to Kyrgyzstan and know where she was. She definitely did not do this in her own will. My family and I pray for her quick and safe return! I am running the AF Marathon next week and will be running with her as my inspiration if she can not make it!
God Bless and protect you, Jill!
16. Posted by Keara U. | September 7, 2006 9:06 PM |
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17. Posted by Claudia Alvarez | September 7, 2006 9:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Even though I have never met Maj Metzger, her presence was definitely felt last year as she won the AF Marathon (military woman) for the second time in a row. Not only does this hit home because we wear the same uniform or because we are marathoners, but because she is HUMAN. Like Keara, I too have been deployed and shopped at the Tzum many times, and it is simply an indescribable feeling as to how this could have happen. As Keara said...we will run this one for you Major! Do not worry, even if you are late, you will still pass right by us:-)
GOD Bless You and Your family.
17. Posted by Claudia Alvarez | September 7, 2006 9:28 PM |
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18. Posted by MH | September 7, 2006 11:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I am a friend of Jill Metzger and worked with her at Ramstein AB. I was also a fellow personnel officer. I have never met anyone so dedicated to the Air Force as Jill. She loves the Air Force. She is one of the hardest workers I have ever met. This is definitely not foul play on Maj Metzger's part and it pains me to read people writing disaparaging comments about someone's character who they do not even know. She deserves better!
18. Posted by MH | September 7, 2006 11:34 PM |
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19. Posted by SRuth | September 7, 2006 11:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just to let the family know that we are praying for a safe return. Our small group bible study in Queen Creek, AZ is praying. Keep faith that the Lord will work a miracle.
SRuth Queen Creek, AZ
19. Posted by SRuth | September 7, 2006 11:54 PM |
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20. Posted by Jon | September 7, 2006 11:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have never met Jill, but have a unique connection to her. Just please pray that she will show up. Her family will be on Good Morning America tomorrow (9/8)to talk about her.
20. Posted by Jon | September 7, 2006 11:58 PM |
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21. Posted by Been There | September 8, 2006 4:47 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
For whatever this is worth, I have been following this story since it broke.
1. I find it very difficult to believe that someone would have been 'abducted' from that store without calling any attention to themselves.
2. Tsum (Zum), in right in the middle of the city. It is packed with people from the time it opens until it closes. Especially at this time of year. Russians, Americans, Germans, Brits, Kyrgyz, Canadians, you name it, they are there. How do I know? I lived in an apartment right across from the store and frequently went shopping there.
3. There are only 3 entrances, each empty out to the main streets (Tsum is on a corner). There are people everywhere especially around the entrances. People would have had to notice something if she had been abducted.
4. This store is littered with security. Why? because of the petty crime that is committed in that part of the world. (pick pockets, shoplifting)
5. The Major knew not to separate from the group she was with, yet she did. Under no circumstances are they to do this.
6. And now... The latest report now indicates that a video camera (security) has what appears to be the Major, leaving the store and getting into a car.
That, unfortunately, does not sound like an abuction to me.
21. Posted by Been There | September 8, 2006 4:47 AM |
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22. Posted by Kristen and Jim | September 8, 2006 7:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
We know her. There is absolutely NO WAY that she would go AWOL. End of story!
Please pray for her!
22. Posted by Kristen and Jim | September 8, 2006 7:05 AM |
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23. Posted by Amy | September 8, 2006 7:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I met Jill when I was visiting one of my sorority sisters in Germany 2 years ago. The three of us hung out most of the weekend (her mom and sister were in town, too) and she was absolutely wonderful to get to know. Very friendly , interested in finding out about you, humble about her marathon accomplishments. Very poised and has a totally good head on her shoulders. She is not the type to go AWOL or 'be stupid' in a situation like this.
I'm not much of the praying kind, but I will pray for her this weekend.
23. Posted by Amy | September 8, 2006 7:50 AM |
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24. Posted by Beth Smith | September 8, 2006 9:28 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Read about the FRONTLINE story about bride- kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan at: PBS Frontline
I spent last winter in Kyrgyzstan. I had made friends in one village, which used to be called Marx and which has been renamed to Muddy Field since the post-Communist transition. A family there told me I should come back during "the kidnapping season," which occurs mainly after the harvest in the fall, when people have money and time to start thinking about marriage before the onset of winter. We followed one kidnapping preparation with the help of this family, but, unfortunately, we weren't able to get the kidnapping on film. We then started stopping at bus stations and taxi stands, where we asked around about prospective kidnappings. And that worked. Because most people don't have a car, when they plan to kidnap a girl, they hire a taxi. So taxi drivers are quite informed about when kidnappings will occur.
I hope this has not happened to Major Metzger, but it is an unfortunate possibility. Pray for her and her family.
24. Posted by Beth Smith | September 8, 2006 9:28 AM |
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25. Posted by Scott | September 8, 2006 11:23 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
There are a few other details that haven't been widely reported. The Major made two phone calls while inside the store, the first lasting for ~3 minutes, and the second call about 90 minutes later lasting for 15 seconds. It has been reported that she had acquaintances in Bishkek and was most likely in communication with them. After the video of her at a station in the city around 430, there were 2 INCOMING calls made to her cell phone. The first was around 515, and the second around 7p. The phone company has reported that her phone traveled around the city after leaving the store, and that after the second call to her cell phone at 7p, the phone was turned off.
Perhaps she was attempting to say goodbye to her friends in the local area, and perhaps there were other people there when she met her "friends". I just hope we don't see her face on an al-Jazeera videotape in a few weeks.
25. Posted by Scott | September 8, 2006 11:23 AM |
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26. Posted by HappyCivilian | September 8, 2006 11:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In times of worry, fear and confusion it is only normal for a missing person to become un-tainted and described as an “outstanding officer” who holds the highest values and morals. However, it is important to face all aspects of a person in order to seek the truth. Because of the posts I have read previously of people ignoring the facts and stating AWOL is not an possibility, I feel like I need to share the side of Jill I know…one with no redeeming qualities or morals and no remorse for her actions. Here is my story.
I was stationed with Jill in Germany but I did not work with her, so I can not attest to her work ethic. I can, however, attest to her morals. I knew Jill and she knew me - in fact, prior to being stationed in Germany we had dated the same person(at different times). We were never friendly, in fact, she did not like me. I don’t think she liked many females that she might view as competitors.
In 2002, shortly before the Iraq war, Jill and my (now ex) husband worked together. She knew he was engaged yet made advances to him anyway. On their first “date”, Jill took my ex to a pool hall where she bet him her “panties” that she would beat him at pool. She ended up getting half naked in a German pub…conduct becoming of an officer? I think not. Permiscuity and unprofessional relationships is a crime in which Jill herself as a personnel officer had punished subordinates. However, that is not where I fault Jill. I do not even fault her for my husbands unfaithfulness - that was his decision. I never knew of the relationship between Jill and my ex until six months after my wedding, when my ex and I had already moved back to the states. I received an “anonymous” email with specific details of their relationship – which only she would know. I ended up emailing her directly for the story and I will never forget her lack of remorse, spiteful and hurtful way in which she told me of my husband’s infidelity. This is where I find fault with Jill. Her abrasive comments to me were disgusting and vindictive; intended to hurt. Long story short, I ended up filing for divorce and went on with my life. I actually thought about sending Jill a thank-you note a few months ago because she saved me from a horrible marriage and I am happier now than I have ever been. However, when this story came out I felt ill that she was missing. I truly feel deeply sorry for her family. The more evidence I read about her stopping a private car, getting a ride to a bus station and using a public phone has made me suspicious. You see, not everyone is the way they seem. Everyone has a yin and a yang.
26. Posted by HappyCivilian | September 8, 2006 11:29 AM |
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27. Posted by Andy | September 8, 2006 11:49 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Richie (above) talks about ala kachuu, and describes it well. I worked for seven years in rural Kyrgyzstan and saw dozens of cases of it, including several of my students.
I'd just like to comment that it's not likely that Major Metzger would be a victim of ala kachuu. She cannot provide what the abductors want: Kyrgyz housekeeping, Kyrgyz food and Kyrgyz babies.
Others have rightly described the environment round Tsum as bustling and well policed. It would be a stupid place to go to try nd kidnap an American military officer. But terrorists are stupid (wily, but stupid).
Anyway, I'm praying for a happy conclusion to this issue.
Jakshi natija ertereek bolsun.
27. Posted by Andy | September 8, 2006 11:49 AM |
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28. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 12:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
HappyCivilian,
Your immature comments are really pathetic. What anything you have to say in "your story" has to do with Jill's disappearance is absoutely beyond me. Why you would try to hurt someone when they are down just illustrates YOUR character. Grow up and get over your cheating ex-husband!
28. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 12:22 PM |
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29. Posted by tommy | September 8, 2006 12:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
wow...how funny to hear from the ex-wife! I love the internet!
I'm sure her comments are fully of angst, but I think this woman hasn't been kidnapped, but rather is AWOL.
The ministry, which oversees the police, is also trying to establish the holder of a phone she called about 45 minutes before she was last seen,"
29. Posted by tommy | September 8, 2006 12:26 PM |
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30. Posted by C.Beckman | September 8, 2006 12:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dear HappyCivilian,
All I can say is wow. What kind of person are you that you would post such a thing before the whereabouts of Jill are known? Whether your story is true or not is irrelevant. A father and mother are missing their daughter. A husband is missing his wife. A brother is missing his sister. You are perhaps one of the most selfish, sad, and pathetic creatures I've ever had the displeasure of acknowledging. Jill's disappearance isn't about you or your failed marriage. With whatever small amount of decency you may have in your soul, out of respect for her family, please refrain from such poisonous rancor and keep your Jerry Springer life to yourself. When Jill comes home... then say whatever you want. Until then... STFU.
30. Posted by C.Beckman | September 8, 2006 12:29 PM |
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31. Posted by tommy | September 8, 2006 12:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Say what you will...
Marine's disappearance staged, police say
DENVER, Colorado (AP) -- Authorities who spent five days searching for a Marine after a friend reported him lost in a hiking accident have arrested the friend and said Thursday they believe the disappearance was staged, so the serviceman could avoid returning to duty.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/08/missing.marine.ap/index.html
31. Posted by tommy | September 8, 2006 12:36 PM |
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32. Posted by BH in Germany | September 8, 2006 12:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm glad to see that people who knew Jill are getting on this blog in support, though the POSITIVE comments from others that have become aware of this story are encouraging.
I've known Jill for a long time and, though she isn't perfect, remember that none of us are and now is not the time for character defamation.
Prayer is the best think anyone can do for her, save those that are actually on the ground and in the area exploring the clues and actively searching for her.
32. Posted by BH in Germany | September 8, 2006 12:37 PM |
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33. Posted by Hm | September 8, 2006 12:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What she is saying is that everyone has two sides, and not everyone knows both sides of a person.
That being said, I hope she is alive, well, and that it is all resolved soon. The hardest part is the not knowing.
33. Posted by Hm | September 8, 2006 12:40 PM |
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34. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 12:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, then how about just saying that? And then, as the previous poster so very well put it...save the rest for Jerry Springer where it truly belongs.
34. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 12:46 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 12:46
35. Posted by BW | September 8, 2006 12:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think Happy simply stated another view of a person that is being glorified. She even wanted to write this girl a thank you. People have spoken up when the word AWOL is used as if this girl was a saint. True, because she was part of a cheating relationship doesn't make her AWOL , as being a runner doesn't make her innocent. Why aren't people speaking up for the marine that is missing?
35. Posted by BW | September 8, 2006 12:49 PM |
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36. Posted by RS | September 8, 2006 12:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LS,
I'm not sure you read the same post I read from "happy civilian", but if you read what I read, you read about someone who gave some info about the Jill's character and about her take on the kidnapping thing. What is the difference from her post to those that have said that she is a great officer? Those posts were talking about this person’s character also and it didn't seem to bother you.
I know Jill, I met her in Germany. I'm not her best friend or her enemy; she is just another AF officer like me. However, I did hear stories of her dating people she shouldn't have dated, and saw her really drunk in bars. As an officer I condemn this conduct, because Officers should lead by example even in their private/personal time they (we) are still Officers.
No, LS, this is not what her disappearance is about, you are right, but if some people choose to talk about her character in a good way, then I see nothing wrong about people who point out the other side of her. By the way, just in case you are wondering, I have no idea who happy civilian is.
Now, going to the topic in hand; from what I see in the news, this whole story seems really odd. I wonder why she would leave the store by herself just 3 minutes after she got there with her friend. I wonder why she was seen in a bus station by herself and making a phone call from a pay phone when she had a cell phone. There are a lot of unanswered questions here that make you think. I really hope there is some other side of the story that we don't know about, and I hope that Jill is found soon and that she is doing well, but we can't deny that something about this story sounds fishy. I don't want to think that she went AWOL, but the evidence is almost pointing that way, that is unless the Air Force knows something that we don't. However if that is the case (and she went AWOL), then something should be done about that when she is found, but I really hope I’m wrong.
I have no idea what happened here, and it is all to surreal and weird, but I do hope that Jill is found soon, because time in a case like this is precious.
36. Posted by RS | September 8, 2006 12:50 PM |
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37. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 12:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't think anyone is trying to say that because she is a runner that she is innocent. I think most are just hoping that because she is in excellent athletic condition then maybe she has a chance of surviving. To be honest, I don't think the news is at all glorifying her...to the very contrary they are very much implying that she hopped a bus on her own free well.
Supposedly the marine isn't missing...?
37. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 12:56 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 12:56
38. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 1:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And the news ALWAYS reports the facts....ha! C'mon, you are an AF officer...you must know that the news gives half the story highlighting parts that will get you to keep reading. Some news reports say that the calls were incoming and some report they were outgoing. Who knows? Certainly not us. I just think it is hateful to publicly slander someone when they are not around to defend themselves. Happy could have certainly done this when Jill was available to tell her side of the story, but she chose to do it now. Things that make you go, hmmmm
38. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 1:01 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 13:01
39. Posted by RS | September 8, 2006 1:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JL,
Did you read the part were I said something about the Air Force knowing more? Of course I know that the news aren't always right, but I can't comment on what they are not saying or the AF is not saying...I'm not psychic. There is probably something more, and that is why the AF is not ruling out anything yet, but I was simply talking about what I know from what I have read in the news....just as simple as that.
39. Posted by RS | September 8, 2006 1:08 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 13:08
40. Posted by peters | September 8, 2006 1:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh My God, a thirty-something female officer actually had sex and drank? For shame. Maybe she ran away in Krygastan to escape her horrid past. The ying and yang of it all.
Give me a freaking break! Listen to yourselves.
40. Posted by peters | September 8, 2006 1:23 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 13:23
41. Posted by mh | September 8, 2006 2:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't know what the stories about Jill dating and drinking has anything to do with her disappearance. These stories are plain spiteful. If you really care about finding her and think that story will have an impact on finding Jill then talk to the investigators instead of defaming someone who can't defend herself on a blog, but I sincerely doubt you hae done this. You are a bitter and selfish person for posting something like this. Shame on you. Your purpose is not to help, but rather hurt people she cares about at the worst possible moment. Jill does everything to extremes...that is her personality. She would work until 2am then come back at 7am. In Germany everyone is partying hard and working very hard. Unless you are married to a guy then no adultery was committed and I'd say your ex-husband is just as much at fault and is in no way a UCMJ violation. But please don't say you care about Jill's disappearance when it's all about you and your hurt feelings.
41. Posted by mh | September 8, 2006 2:21 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 14:21
42. Posted by PM | September 8, 2006 4:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I know Jill and her family personally. I can say for a fact that they are what anyone would consider "good people." As for Jill's social life, she is an adult. I will say that she is an extremely driven individual - she gives 110% to everything and she puts a lot of pressure of herself. Not many women achieve what she has achieved. I am hopeful that nothing bad has happened to her but I keep thinking about the "run away" bride from a couple years back. Could Jill had experienced some sort of break down or trauma that has led to this situation? As for AWOL - she had essentially completed her time and was getting ready to go home. Was there something at home that was a stressor? It is unlikely many of us will ever know. I do know all involved need our prayers and open minds at a time like this.
42. Posted by PM | September 8, 2006 4:05 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 16:05
43. Posted by Cindy | September 8, 2006 4:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If people really care about Jill Metzger, please for heaven's sake STOP giving away her personal information on this public website. We don't want the enemy having more information about her. I know everyone here has great intentions, but for Jill's benefit, please stop giving the enemy information about her and her family.
43. Posted by Cindy | September 8, 2006 4:24 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 16:24
44. Posted by hoss | September 8, 2006 4:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This whole thread, although started with good intentions, should be locked. It shouldn't be a place for cowards to slander or people to pass their biased judgment. This is a sad and scary situation, regardless of the events that have taken place, for whatever reasons. Let's pray for Jill's safe return so we can all hear the details from the only real source, I think we all owe her that.
44. Posted by hoss | September 8, 2006 4:52 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 16:52
45. Posted by Anon | September 8, 2006 5:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I can't say much, but there is good news.
45. Posted by Anon | September 8, 2006 5:58 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 17:58
46. Posted by Jason Miller | September 8, 2006 6:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I was also in Air Force ROTC with Jill at East Carolina University. She's an amazing person: Always happy, positive, and motivating to the people around her. Everyone knew she would be successful at anything she wanted to take on. I don't care what happened...Just pray for her to get back to her family safely. She deserves that.
46. Posted by Jason Miller | September 8, 2006 6:01 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 18:01
47. Posted by mb | September 8, 2006 6:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Great advice, Cindy. If Jill Metzger was taken by some sort of hostile entity, personal information about her (family, friends, duty stations, habits, interests, etc) can be used for a variety of purposes by that entity--none of them good. It's time we all stop posting information about her, let those in charge of finding her do their job, and pray for her and her family that they may all find strength in this time of need.
47. Posted by mb | September 8, 2006 6:09 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 18:09
48. Posted by ITK | September 8, 2006 6:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Anon is not only correct, but speedy, and beat me to the punch.
It's true good news travels fast.
Rest of story should be interesting.
48. Posted by ITK | September 8, 2006 6:25 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 18:25
49. Posted by wood | September 8, 2006 6:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The news is reporting she has been found in good condition.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2411302&page=1
49. Posted by wood | September 8, 2006 6:29 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 18:29
50. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 6:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have a gut feeling that Jill is AWOL. Given her past history of cheating - which I have heard before and her going to be leaving the area in 3 days. It is possible, she left with a man she was having an affair with while stationed there and then mysteriously appears 3 days later. STay tuned...
50. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 6:44 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 18:44
51. Posted by ROS | September 8, 2006 7:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb, I couldn't have said t better myself. Something was really weird, so thats a good possibility.
51. Posted by ROS | September 8, 2006 7:04 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:04
52. Posted by cgb | September 8, 2006 7:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It is highly unlikely that "the enemy" is trawling these message boards in the hopes of gleaning information about people. First of all, whoever the enemy is, they're probably not terribly sophisticated when it comes to internet searches, no matter how simple it seems, and secondly, based on my own experience with internet connectivity in at least three of the Central Asian countries, it just takes too damned long to surf the web with any sort of expeciency in that part of the world.
But paranoia is what makes us different from the monkeys, so if it floats yer boat, then by all means.....
52. Posted by cgb | September 8, 2006 7:05 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:05
53. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 7:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Something is just not right. Based on intel and facts. Phone call made from mall to a farm near Beshkek. Two more calls tracing her near a bus station and then the other end of the city. Found on the side of the road with her head shaved and she seems to have been beaten. Perhaps whomever she was with (or having an affair with) beat her and shaved her head so she would NEVER talk about him to anyone knowing he would be killed....who knows....just very strange. SOMEONE WOULD HAVE SEEN SOMETHING AT THE MALL. She is in excellent athletic condition, as they say, she would have fought somehow at some point BEFORE LEAVING THE MALL.
She is intelligent and trained enough to KNOW not to leave the area, even with a gun in her side or knife......something is wrong with this picture...
53. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 7:13 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:13
54. Posted by MH | September 8, 2006 7:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jill has been found!!! She was beaten and they shaved her head, but she is alive and meeting with medical officials right now. Hallelujah!!
54. Posted by MH | September 8, 2006 7:15 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:15
55. Posted by wonk | September 8, 2006 7:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
My thoughts and prayers are with the greater Metzger family but I must take exception to Epador's comment. Life at manas is not grim - in fact it was the R&R location we went to when I was in theater. It had the best facilities of anywhere over there in 2003.
55. Posted by wonk | September 8, 2006 7:23 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:23
56. Posted by Fran | September 8, 2006 7:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I would hope that everyone is praying for Jill's safe return to her family. It is definitely not the time to try to assassinate her character.
56. Posted by Fran | September 8, 2006 7:25 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:25
57. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 7:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Praise the LORD, she's has been found alive!
57. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 7:28 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:28
58. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 7:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
link,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060908/ap_on_re_as/kyrgyzstan_missing_major
58. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 7:30 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:30
59. Posted by ghr | September 8, 2006 7:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
AH Love among the borscht
59. Posted by ghr | September 8, 2006 7:30 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:30
60. Posted by PAC | September 8, 2006 7:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And your source is????
60. Posted by PAC | September 8, 2006 7:35 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:35
61. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 7:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
check provided link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060908/ap_on_re_as/kyrgyzstan_missing_major
61. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 7:41 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:41
62. Posted by Mary | September 8, 2006 7:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What great news!! Glad to hear she's alive and well. I am not the type who goes to church or prays constantly but I did say a prayer in this case.
Mary
62. Posted by Mary | September 8, 2006 7:45 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 19:45
63. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 8:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
But I am sure Deb G will find some way to conclude that she was having an affair with these 3 men and 1 woman. You are really sick Deb G...where you come up with your theories are beyond me. People get kidnapped from public places ALL the time...despite who or whom they did or did not have a relationship with FOUR freaking years ago. And I am so sure it is easy to carry on an affair with a Kyrgastan man while stationed in Manas. Are you nuts??????????
63. Posted by JL | September 8, 2006 8:14 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 20:14
64. Posted by Karen | September 8, 2006 8:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm so with JL on this. I know Jill and I am so beyone relieved right now. The important thing is that she's alive. As for the conditions, I was there 2002-2003 and I can assure you that it is no picnic. In fact, Kygyzstan is on my short list of places I could care less about ever returning to. For those of you who bad mouthed Jill while she was missing--you disgust me to the core.
64. Posted by Karen | September 8, 2006 8:27 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 20:27
65. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 10:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Fellows,
Let's just be thankful that she was found alive. Whether as result of our prayers or not, it really doesn't matter now. She is alive, that is the most important thing.
Also, for all of you who felt the need to gratuitously 'illuminate' us with the 'other side' of Jill, you be your own judge. I'm convinced that most of us think Jill's private life is no one else business.
Let's just hope Jill will soon be able to meet her family and close friends, and put all this nightmare behind.
65. Posted by Fukuro | September 8, 2006 10:10 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 22:10
66. Posted by Ex Mil | September 8, 2006 10:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I was in the military. I saw much of what is being said here concerning the intoxication, cheating, etc. My own wife, a military member was messing around with her boss and others (cheating!). Don't give us this saint Jill crap please. She was capable of this because she is human. I'm glad she's back safe, but I will wait for the real story to come out. Not the one the military plans on spinning for the media. PS The OSI are a bunch of clowns. They couldn't investigation a pile of dog poop and figure out where it came from.
66. Posted by Ex Mil | September 8, 2006 10:13 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 22:13
67. Posted by Been There | September 8, 2006 10:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sooooo... beaten, head shaved,...
I remember when the "Runaway Bride" thing hit the news.. a nationwide 'bridehunt' took place costing the taxpayers thousands of dollars.
What will unravel in the coming days, weeks, and maybe months remains to be seen. But, first we have to prepare for the TODAY show, GoodMorning America, etc...
Listen... I don't know "Jill" from the Jack in the Box... BUT, what has happened here is no joke and I sincerely believe, given the information I have gathered from the international sources, that this little puppy should fry when all is done.
There was no ABDUCTION!!!
Furthermore, behavior of this type should not be encouraged by putting them before national television and allowing them to tell of their "ordeal".
What a farce!!! And, an international one, at that!!
I think I'll go back to Bishkek.
67. Posted by Been There | September 8, 2006 10:15 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 22:15
68. Posted by Dorothy | September 8, 2006 10:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Did anyone see Jill's husband and father-in-law on Greta tonight? They were talking about how happy they are that Jill has been found, and I'm sure they mean it, but they both looked mighty grim...not even a hint of a smile from either one of them. There's more to this story than meets the eye.
68. Posted by Dorothy | September 8, 2006 10:37 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 22:37
69. Posted by disgusted | September 8, 2006 10:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Many of you here are pathetic insensitive jerks. This is a brave military OFFICER you are talking about here. And YES - I found this site by just doing a simple google search, and so can anyone, anywhere. Idiots. You can only hope you never need anyone to give you the benefit of the doubt or defend your honor. You disgust me and I would spit on you if I saw you.
69. Posted by disgusted | September 8, 2006 10:50 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 22:50
70. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 11:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JL: I have to laugh. Really I do. Nuts no. Are you Naive or just plain stupid??? Who said an affair with a Kyrg man? She could have been having an affair with a man on base. Who knows. Look, thankfully, she is back. I happen to know Jill, the other side. EXACTLY like the runaway bridge. Does not matter about being a military officer. NOONE gets kidnapped in a mall full of people without a witness or some commotion. NOONE. Military intel speaks volumes on this one. When the truth comes out - all you folks who think you know the facts about kidnapping and psychology are going to feel pretty poorly about putting down those who have their own opinions. Your comments about theories make me laugh. Wake up folks and stop being so well, ignorant. Reality is sometimes hard to accept. Fantasies of constant kidnappings are much easier to justify...
70. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 11:28 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 23:28
71. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 11:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JL: Also, do you believe everything the media tells you???? How do you REALLY know she was even with 3 men and 1 woman. Oh yes, why would they bring her back? In a country such as Russia and surrounding areas, they DO NOT bring you back. They are more ruthless and murderous than terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq. They DO NOT bring you back. I think you are pretty sick for believing all the media says....funny actually. You have NO IDEA how complex intelligence and situations are and they are NOT always what you seem to think they might be....
71. Posted by Deb G. | September 8, 2006 11:33 PM |
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Posted on September 8, 2006 23:33
72. Posted by John S | September 9, 2006 12:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To the poster that said life at Manas is grim. You're a buffoon. Manas is 1000x better than any FOB I have been on in Afghanistan and Iraq. As a matter of fact Manas is luxurious compared to anywhere I've been on a deployment. Pogue.
72. Posted by John S | September 9, 2006 12:26 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 00:26
73. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 9, 2006 5:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi! Local police reports that JM was neither beaten nor raped.
And yes, kidnapping someone from TsUM is an incredibly stupid idea as the place is full of cops in uniform in plain clothes. In fact, I've never heard of a single person kidnapped from TsUM in my entire life in Bishkek.
Bests,
Gogi from Bishkek.
73. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 9, 2006 5:16 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 05:16
74. Posted by E | September 9, 2006 6:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Simply put the Dumb Ass went AWOL end of story! I'll hate to say I told ya sooo but get ready because a greater majority of us, sound individuals already know....Just a feeling. A huge mistake on her part......
74. Posted by E | September 9, 2006 6:42 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 06:42
75. Posted by U | September 9, 2006 6:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It gets deeper, a polygraph may be in order.
From the AP:
A Kyrgyz police official, Kemilbek Kiyazov, said Metzger told police that while she was in a popular department store someone placed an unspecified object in the rear pocket of her trousers. Writing on the object said it was a bomb.
The message also gave detailed instructions telling her where to go in Bishkek, which she followed, Kiyazov quoted Metzger as saying.
"Metzger stated that it was as if she were in a trance," he said. She was then met by three men and a woman who put her into a vehicle, took her to a residence, and placed her in a dark room.
According to Kiyazov, Metzger managed to escape after an abductor brought her food and she struck him."
75. Posted by U | September 9, 2006 6:56 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 06:56
76. Posted by Big Mac | September 9, 2006 9:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Those of you who continue to cry AWOL or other nonsense have no idea what you're talking about. I personally know Jill and I know for a fact that she would not run as some of you idiots would say. Jill is an outstanding officer and a person many use as an example.
Big Mac
76. Posted by Big Mac | September 9, 2006 9:08 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 09:08
77. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 9:29 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
To those who say they know Jill - REMEMBER THE RUNAWAY BRIDE, who all her friends said they knew and she would NEVER runaway and that she had to have been kidnapped, etc...oh yes, and her hair was found, which ended up being cut by herself in the end!! bomb in pocket, trance, crowded mall where someone would have surely seen 3 men and 1 woman taking her! oh yes, striking a man bringing her food - I am sure she would have had her hands tied, she IS a military officer and would know combat tactics, so they would have certainly tied her hands after planning an elaborate bomb tracing agent in her back pocket - that is heavy stuff so they would have tied her hands!! then, running from captivity where 3 men and at least 1 woman were watching her. Where did she run to? She was 30 miles away (according to her cell phone stats)......give me a break here.....to those of you calling those of us idiots - wake up......
77. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 9:29 AM |
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78. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 9:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
and oh yes, walking to the exact spot to meet 3 men and 1 woman while in a trance. Can't say they took her from a mall - she KNOWS noone would believe that one....someone would have seen her in a trance state walking.....kidnappers DO NOT use someone's cell phone to make calls (a call was made from her cell phone from the mall), if she was kidnapped, this would have been a highly intelligently planned operation - they would NOT have used her own cell phone knowing it could have been traced and the possibility of the military tracking it and kidnappers would not have allowed it to stay anywhere near her let alone ring twice within hours of each other. God Bless her if this is a legitimate kidnapping, but facts show this is a nice story where details will start to unravel soon enough...Then again, if this was an AWOL situation for reasons I will not even write here, she will NEVER tell the truth about what really happened for fear of her life and the life of her family....
78. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 9:35 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 09:35
79. Posted by U | September 9, 2006 9:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And some more conflicting/new "news"
AFP:
A spokesperson for the Kyrgyz interior ministry said that she reappeared late Friday in Kant, about 35 miles north-east of Bishkek, saying that she had been kidnapped.
"According to Jill Metzger, two women approached her at the shopping centre and asked for help. They spoke English. She went with them. After that she remembers nothing - she woke up in a house she didn't recognise," the interior ministry spokesperson, who asked not to be identified, told AFP.
Interior ministry sources said that the circumstances of Metzger's disappearance and reappearance were mysterious.
She was found by police in Kant after asking for help from a local person late at night. Her hair, the interior ministry spokesperson said, had been dyed black and shaved. "No harm was done to her other than colouring her hair," he said. "There were no signs of violence on her."
A high-ranking interior ministry officer, who also asked to remain anonymous, said that Metzger had not been kidnapped. "She disappeared from the shopping centre on her own initiative. She did not answer calls on her mobile phone," he said.
79. Posted by U | September 9, 2006 9:35 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 09:35
80. Posted by Blabbing Mike | September 9, 2006 9:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I live in Colorado Springs CO where Jill's husband and in-laws are currently. One of our local news stations got an exclusive interview with him right after she was reported found. They had been talking with him even prior to her release.
I've placed a link to that video interview on my Colorado Springs news blog if anyone cares to watch it. (They change links periodically for new stories so I didn't include their link here. I'll make sure to post their latest link on my blog.)
http://www.newsblab.com
or
http://newsblab.netfirms.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
80. Posted by Blabbing Mike | September 9, 2006 9:51 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 09:51
81. Posted by I TOLD U SO | September 9, 2006 9:57 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just wanted to be one of the first to post that this story is CROCK!! Now when the truth comes out , I can be one of the first to say "I told you so."
Oh yeah, It's really funny how much this resembles the Ga. runaway bride who claimed to have been abducted by a Hispanic man and a Caucasion woman. Her hair had been cut when she was found. hhmmmm.... lol this is too funny even though I know that this is a very serious thing that she has done. The lady needs help.
I cannot believe that some people are actually buying into this story but I guess there's a gullable born every minute.
81. Posted by I TOLD U SO | September 9, 2006 9:57 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 09:57
82. Posted by "Unbelievable" | September 9, 2006 10:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm not normally one to read stuff like this on the internet, but as a retired AF officer the story of Major Metger's disappearance caught my attention as it did many others. After reading all of the foregoing, I think I'll refrain from visiting sites like this again. You folks must have better things to do with your time.
82. Posted by "Unbelievable" | September 9, 2006 10:05 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 10:05
83. Posted by BM | September 9, 2006 10:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There is a video interview with her husband in Colorado Springs at this site.
http://www.newsblab.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
83. Posted by BM | September 9, 2006 10:15 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 10:15
84. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 10:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In respect of Jill's family, we should wait until the details of this unfold. Although it does not make sense, the media may not have all the facts either. Story sounds just plain "wrong", but the story we are reading on the media might not even be right.......I am sure her family is glad to have her back and alive....
84. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 10:36 AM |
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Posted on September 9, 2006 10:36
85. Posted by Get Real | September 9, 2006 11:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Folks,
Some of your posts are hilarious! "I know Jill"....."Excellent Air Force Officer"....Riddle me this, how can you 'really' know a person? There is only one person that 'really' knows me and I 'really' know that same person. That would be my peer, lover, best friend, and partner for life - some of you in the military call that person that very impersonal word 'spouse' or 'wife'. But it took me nearly 9 years for her and I to know each other.
That said, people do weird, inexplicable things and that INCLUDES Air Force Officers. Get over yourselves, they aren't perfect and never will be, I know quite a few in my 8 years in the Air Force. Some excellent, most good, and some I wouldn't trust to take out my trash and do it correctly and ethically.
Anyhow, this story stinks. I read last night that she's found "on a roadside beaten with a shaved head" and then I read this morning "that she walks aimlessly to a random house with dyed hair and dye stained hands".
All I'm saying is that it stinks and reminds me of many frauds John Mark Karr, The Runaway Bride, Lance Hering ('missing' Marine in Colorado), and
many other similar frauds.
I'm out.....
85. Posted by Get Real | September 9, 2006 11:03 AM |
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86. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 9, 2006 11:30 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
From everything I have read, Major Metzger was a superior officer and athlete. The kind of self-discipline it takes to become a three-time marathon CHAMPION does not indicate to me a silly woman lost on a shoe-shopping trip or off on a sexual lark with some male. Believe it or not, to some women with productive lives and a myriad of responsibilities, SEX is not the only thing on their minds. Nor is SEX something to make one throw away a stellar career, a marriage, and reputation. For some fat-ass former Presidents, yes - but not a woman and officer of Metzger's caliber. Grow up and quit thinking like teenage boys - or worse, a Slick Willie.
By all accounts, Metzger was savvy, smart, and totally committed to her career in the AF. She is an example of American military achievement, and was a public figure due to her marathon championships.
She deserves much better than the juvenile speculation from never-has-beens, and everyone else ought to show a little more respect.
BTW, Deb G., you are a pathetic female and clearly have an axe to grind. Stick to the PTA or Junior League where your malicious gossip would likely be more welcome.
86. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 9, 2006 11:30 AM |
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87. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 11:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidel: I am laughing at your comments. BTW, do you see me putting ANYONE down on this board, other than voicing my opinions (which, of course, I am entitled to)? Nope, didn't think so. Yet, you, immature and having that axe to grind - is doing so. PTA or Junior League - are you kidding? LOL - you're funny. I am a military officer myself, have won and fought battles against the VA for my father's Agent Orange related death, entitling my mother and any Veteran in my path and family members to benefits, have assisted the military in ways I am sure you would never even understand. I deal with intelligence daily and live a VERY good life which involves reading the news daily (which I am doing and happened to run across this site which I continue to monitor). So, I will stop ranting about things I have done positively, and there are many. I have no axe to grind - live a good life with good people. However, I am well aware of BAD people in this world. I have to ask: Why would you call someone pathetic for voicing their opinion??? I think you are pathetic for striking out with name calling - real immature. Also, you obviously seem to be reading the media and believing all you here - dangerous thing to do. If someone told you the sky was green, you would probably believe that too.....
87. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 11:51 AM |
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88. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 11:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redgead Infidel: Lastly, I noticed you picked out myself, THE FEMALE on the board, yet you did NOT pick out anyone else here making similar or worse comments. I would say YOU, my friend have an axe to grind against females. I feel sorry for you, stick to chat rooms, where your strikes against character are more welcome. Giving an opinion or scenario of a recent news happening if an entitlement.....
88. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 11:54 AM |
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89. Posted by Arros G. | September 9, 2006 12:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G.: Shut the fuck up you lazy, fat-assed, ignorant cunt. I hope you get abducted, raped, tortured and murdered. Of course, not even a sicko would want to touch your ugly ass, or even get close enough to smell the foul stench emanating from you, so do us all a favor and shoot yourself in the head, bitch!
89. Posted by Arros G. | September 9, 2006 12:10 PM |
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90. Posted by Get Real | September 9, 2006 12:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well Arros G, I can see that you are well educated, extremely articulate, and a rational, reasonable human being.
Tell me, what political party and religious group are you associated with? Hmmmmm, lemme guess.
Deb G, keep up the rational, educated, thought provoking and thought forcing posts.
I'm out....
90. Posted by Get Real | September 9, 2006 12:20 PM |
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91. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 9, 2006 12:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy Civilian, no one is interested in your D-grade melodrama starring your sad-sack husband - except maybe Deb and her ilk. Female officers are talked about by wives like you ALLLLL the time - it goes with the job. We ignore sillies like you.
And Deb, if indeed you aren't a sock puppet for Happy Civilian, I find it hard to belive you wear the uniform. Really, I do. Where's your sense of fidelity for a fellow officer - and fellow servicewoman? Non-existent, obviously. I directed my comments at you because you are on a campaign, as evidenced by the frequency of your comments and how you are watching this board like a hawk - and all for no apparent reason.
I, myself, do not trust the media to get it right - they never do - therefore I don't believe the media. Nor do I trust the local politicians and police chief, reveling in the international spotlight - to get it right either. I will wait for the official account after the investigation is complete - something you and others would be prudnet to do. And in the meantime, I offer my loyalty and support to Major Metzger - because she DESRVES IT.
There is no reason not to give Metzger the benefit of the doubt - none whatsoever. She has earned AT LEAST that much. You should only hope the same for yourself should something terrible happen to you. Your idle speculations - as you sit fat and happy behind your keyboard - are malicious and tawdry. In order to believe them, one would have to believe the very worst of Metzger - something you are obviously eager to do. I have to wonder at your investment in this situation. If that's the low point at which you start in your "analysis" of this news item, then you are sorrier than I gave you credit for.
91. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 9, 2006 12:20 PM |
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92. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidel: I feel sorry for you. Really, I do. You need to re-read my posts. I don't see any character bashing. Fat and Happy? Hardly, I am a tri-athlete so hardly fat and happy. Military Uniform, wear it with pride and honor, however, don't stand behind fellow officers who prove wrong in some actions - sorry, just the way the military and my military upbringing has trained me. I am on no drive to destroy any character of Maj. Metzger - again, re-read the posts. I do find it funny that you are striking against military wives in general and name calling - real immature and classy on your part. I do have reason to monitor this board, of which you would never comprehend. I also offer Maj. Metzger the utmost respect for her accomplishments in life and hope this situation is, in fact, fact based on her testimony alone. However, I am SURE I stated that given all going on, it sounds strange and off key given the circumstances......I am done defending myself to you - there is no reason to - YOU need to take your rude comments and opinions somewhere else. Everyone here is posting their comments as they are allowed to do to the situation, YOU are posting against others here - I have to ask you - is there a reason you are here axing everyone?? and what could that be?? Take yourself and go find something better to do.......
92. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:32 PM |
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93. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Arros G: I have to laugh at you. Amazing at the comments coming from folks here. I have been abducted, when I was 13, by Russian Soldiers while in East Berlin - my whole family. A learning experience.....
Not sure why these posts have lingered to name calling. Everyone is entitled to give opinions and comments on the situation at hand, not against posters here. Oh well, I get a kick out of the anger you hold within yourself...I am pretty comfortable with myself and with who I am so keep attacking at the keyboard....
93. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:35 PM |
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94. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 12:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
People...People... What's with you?
I don't know Jill, I've never met the woman. But, ONE thing is sure...
I know the place from whence she was 'abducted'.
I've been in the store.. every floor..many, many times.
I know the layout of the store
I know the entrances/exits
I know how much security there is
I know the policy on the tours
I know that there were more than 2 people on the tour(probably more like a dozen... plus)
I know that the store is ALWAYS crowded
I know that SHE knew the 'don't separate yourself' from the group policy.
I know that an abduction doesn't "just happen" if it's a targeted person
I know (according to the reports by AP) Jills hair was dyed and that she had dye stains on her hands
I know that she suffered no harm 'scratches or otherwise'
I know that THIS STORY STINKS into the STELLAR regions of the universe... AND, I don't care if she's been with all of tent city at Ganci...
My calculator just keeps shutting down everytime I try to add all this together...IT DOESN'T ADD UP! We may never know the facts...
But, given what I DO know... She smells and so does her story!!! This whole deal smells.
94. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 12:36 PM |
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95. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Arros G: Hoping someone gets abducted raped tortured and murdered is completely out of line. I am currently working on obtaining your IP address so we can see the evil mind coming from behind your keyboard....Thank You for assisting us here....I will pray for your evil thought process though.
95. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:38 PM |
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96. Posted by U | September 9, 2006 12:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well said Deb G.
Go away Redhead Infidel, your a disease.
96. Posted by U | September 9, 2006 12:38 PM |
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97. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Been There: I agree with you. However, Arros G is going to hope you get raped abuducted and murdered now that you have given your freedom of opinion on this. Talk about sick stuff....
97. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 12:39 PM |
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98. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 12:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh... One other thing I know..
In the end... we really won't know.. the whole story, it will die just as the "Runaway Bride" story died... We kinda like to put it behind us after a while to get it out of our sight... you know ... to keep it from reminding us how gullible we are.
BUT... if you really want to keep your bookmarks on this.. do a locator on Jill, say in a couple of months.. If she's still in and 'going up the ladder', then maybe it was valid..
HOWEVER... if she's vanished from the radar screen, guess what!!? So, let's say we meet back here in a couple of months and compare notes... If I am wrong, I will be the FIRST to admit it... but if I'M RIGHT.... you will certainly hear about it. And that includes, parents, husband, brother, uncles, whatever...
IF she has done this on her own.. and I have a very strong suspicion.. then she has not only embarrassed herself...
She has brought discredit to the USAF
She has embarrassed the USA in an international spotlight
She has jepordized the political affairs in Central Asia
She has brought disgrace and shame on herself and her family
She has further jepordized the lives of her fellow soldiers and airmen in that region.
SHOULD I GO ON???..............
98. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 12:57 PM |
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99. Posted by Karen | September 9, 2006 12:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm 100% with Redhead on this and that said, this will be the last time I contribute to what has become beyond ridiculous. This blog was helpful to me when she was missing in keeping me updated on anything new. All I care about is that she has been found because she's a friend of mine and she's a wonderful person. I never claimed she was a saint but in the Air Force, she's the best of the best. Those of you who have never served couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about. Those of you who have never met her couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about. Those of you who are assuming the worst about her--what's wrong with you? You sit on your butt (probably not contributing much at all to the world) in such harsh judgement of her. It's alarming to me. One fact still stands--no one here knows what really happened and it will take some time to get to that truth. Everyone has made mistakes and no one is perfect. I'm no psychology major but it seems to me that those of you who are the harshest of critics (Deb, Happy C) perhaps there is something within you that you are not so proud of and it is manifesting itself in your harsh, unfair, and unbelievable opinions about Jill.
Redhead, do what I'm doing and sign off of this and don't look back. I'd give you my email address but I don't know how to do that without getting some unwanted emails from a bunch of riff-raff
As for the rest of you, go do something productive with the freedom you are privileged to be experiencing, the freedom those of us serving in the military work so hard to preserve. Or don't...whatever...you are free to chose!
99. Posted by Karen | September 9, 2006 12:57 PM |
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100. Posted by ron | September 9, 2006 1:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I was reading the enytimes a little while ago. read the story on ms. metzger, googled her, and wound up here reading the thread. I just found the story a little far fetched initially and wanted to see some background, and I am amazed at the background you all put in here, good and bad. Its deep in here, opinionated, hot under the collar, personal, angry and mean and definitely passionate. All the things that make good reading. I just wanted to let you all know that, and entertaining in a voyeuristic way, kinda like you cant look away, know what I mean?
As for Ms. Metzer, I wouldnt jump to conclusions and being that its a military matter, I wouldn't expect to hear any, ultimately. You all shut off your computers now and go outside and play, its a beautiful day.
100. Posted by ron | September 9, 2006 1:03 PM |
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101. Posted by Captcorajus | September 9, 2006 1:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
While the details are yet to be revealed, the Idea that this Air Force Officer had something to do with her own disappearance is stupid.
Credible reports indicate she was beaten and her head was shaved. Anyone familier with Kyrgyzstan and that part of the world might be aware of bride abduction... anyone?
Beatings and head shaving is uaually the punishment for refusing to accept the husband. Now, am I saying thats what happened to her... no. But look at the remarks of the Kyrgyzstan police and how they differ from the US officials and a picture will begin to become clear... the Kyrgyzstan officials seem to be trying to prevent an "incident".
She was dressed as a civilian when she went missing, in all likelyhood those who took her had no idea who she was. This lady is in shape, and smart... the exact profile of the type of woman who survives this type of encounter.
I think this woman has been through hell over the last several days and survived. Shame on you people... this is not a runaway bride situation!
101. Posted by Captcorajus | September 9, 2006 1:48 PM |
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102. Posted by RS | September 9, 2006 1:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Karen and Red,
If you have read the whole thread you will see that I too, wrote about the other side of Jill and that I'm also a proud AF Officer. You should not get upset about the bad stuff being said as she kind of brought it upon herself. I have a friend that was a victim of Jill's affair, and I had to help her get through her crisis, when Jill started e-mailing her pictures and shit. No, Jill didn't deserve to get kidnapped (though I think that is not what happened), but she could've avoid all this crap (the comments) if she would have kept her affairs to herself, instead of going to the victims and gloat about her actions. That was plain rude, and from reading here I see my friend wasn't her only victim, as Happy Civilian was one too. They didn't do this, Jill did. As an officer this actions are unbecoming, and if you are a good officer (if you are one) you would know that to.
I'm glad Jill has been found safe, I'm really happy for her family, but for some reason I don't believe the story...I'm sorry if this offends you, but I do think she may have had something to do with the whole thing...sorry, just my opinion and yes, I'm entitle to it.
102. Posted by RS | September 9, 2006 1:49 PM |
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103. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 2:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted by: Captcorajus"..
"While the details are yet to be revealed, the Idea that this Air Force Officer had something to do with her own disappearance is stupid.
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Credible reports indicate she was beaten and her head was shaved. Anyone familier with Kyrgyzstan and that part of the world might be aware of bride abduction... anyone?
Beatings and head shaving is uaually the punishment for refusing to accept the husband. Now, am I saying thats what happened to her... no. But look at the remarks of the Kyrgyzstan police and how they differ from the US officials and a picture will begin to become clear... the Kyrgyzstan officials seem to be trying to prevent an "incident".
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Uhhh... excuse me Captcorajus... but just how long have you lived in Bishkek?.. or Kyrgyzstan. Before this happened... I doubt that you even knew that it existed...
I lived there. Kyrgyz don't "bridenap" nonKyrgyz women..
There are plenty of enthnic Russians living in the area.. THEY don't get "bridenapped"..
I can imagine the conversation now..."Hey Igor.. let's take that one.. she looks like she's in shape.
Bolot, are you stupid or something.. what will my family say when I bring home a white woman? And, who is her family? Do we even know them? Shut up!, and drink your mare's milk, will ya!! Igor, all we have to do is put this package in her pocket and say it's a bomb.. give her instructions on where to meet us, and then take her home from there..."
WAAA....hahahaha.. Only in America!!!
So here's to you CaptCorajus... For exemplifying the knowledge, wisdom, and literacy of western culture - for the rest of the world to witness!
103. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 2:10 PM |
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104. Posted by Calm | September 9, 2006 2:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have an idea, lets all let this settle a little bit. Before anyone else goes and bashes her or her family, or anyone else that has posted to this board. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions. We all know that not all of the facts have been released, they never are. I'm not going to side either way with what has been presented thus far. I personally know her family, and they are grateful that she has been found. So before anymore conspiracy theories start, lets wait a while and see what other facts are released. Please be mature adults about all of this, there is no need for name calling and threats.
104. Posted by Calm | September 9, 2006 2:23 PM |
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105. Posted by Red Shift | September 9, 2006 2:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey Deb G... what's your attitude on holding "enemy combatants" without trial for indefinite periods, or waterboarding them, or inducing hypothermia, or depriving them of sleep? Or what about arresting a mentally ill Iraqi and frightening him with police dogs until he's out of his mind with terror? I'll be you and every neo-facist like you has cheered all those things. And then you threaten freako (or whatever his name is) with "revealing his IP address" as some sort of punishment when he insults you online. You're a real tool, you know that?
105. Posted by Red Shift | September 9, 2006 2:30 PM |
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106. Posted by FwdObsvr | September 9, 2006 2:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Nope, sorry RS. Don't buy it. Officers don't gossip about others who aren't there to defend themselves - unless they are total pieces of shit. It's called honor - you have none.
Red, you can jump in my foxhole anytime - you're the kind of soldier I'd want at my back.
Deb, you said that you "don't stand behind fellow officers who prove wrong in some actions." In your tiny mind, what exactly has been "proven" to you? There's no proof of anything yet! Rush to judgment much?!
With each post you are becoming more and more unbelievably grandiose. And ironically, your "accomplishments" are tracking very similarly to Major Metzger's - except with a litte one-up-manship thrown in. Metzger is a personnel officer? Well, Deb here is an INTEL officer. Metzger is a marathon champion? Well, Deb here is a TRIATHLETE. Get it?
Shit, with REMFs like you and RS, who needs enemies?
106. Posted by FwdObsvr | September 9, 2006 2:38 PM |
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107. Posted by VR | September 9, 2006 3:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I really like the "bomb in the pocket" story. That's a good one.
My guess: affair with co-worker. Elaborate plan to escape together. He backed out. She made up a whopper to evade punishment, not realizing it would capture the imagination of bloggers everywhere. Career over, and all she got out of it was a really bad haircut.
107. Posted by VR | September 9, 2006 3:06 PM |
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108. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 3:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well... My bet is that she is on her way to Landstuhl Medical Center in Germany right about now, where she will be given a complete physical. She will probably have a couple of days of rest, followed by a number of Question and Answer sessions.. Following that, she will probably be back in the USA.
Again... check the radar screen in a couple of months, regardless of which slant you wish to believe.. IF she is still in the Air Force, then you can assume that all was on the up and up. However, if she is gone from radar... then my assumption will coincide with my suspicion that she concocted this little private party all on her own.
As Pooh Bear would say.... Ohhhh My.
108. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 3:20 PM |
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109. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 9, 2006 3:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow! I go away to a wedding and come back to this. The ONLY reason I told my story was NOT from hurt feelings, but to demonstrate that Jill is unstable, insecure, unbecoming of an officer and has severe mental issues. Yes, being in her 30's (yet looking like she is 50) is no sin to drink and have sex. However, when you are in the military you are held to different standards and the point that Jill herself would punish people for doing exactly as she does is my POINT tht her charactor is extremely flawed. I always knew her private life would come to the surface...and it looks like the point I was trying to make previously was correct. What concerns me is when people say "shame on you" for saying anything negative about this girl. I really hope the military takes a more open minded view during the investigation. Perhaps all your glorified saint stories is why we are now in Iraq...you need to take off your rose colored glasses.
Jill's mental issues are now international; now she has taken her narcistic attention-seeking personality disorder to a new level. How DARE she say she was kidnapped in a foreign country...is she trying to start a war? Perhaps miss Jill found weapons of mass destruction in the little hut during her trance? Did they also make her dye her hair as her own hands were stained? Fairly ironic, too bad she didn't use red hair dye..she would have been caught red-handed! My boyfriend has read the emails Jill sent me and as soon as this story broke he said "wow, you need to go forward with your story - that girl is truely insane." Had you read the emails she sent me, you would know I am not using this opportunity to mend any wounds - those have been mended well over a year now. I just wanted (as others here have done as well...Deb, ROS, RF) to show her proven MENTAL ILLNESS and stop all the terrorism theories...we have had enough of that in our country. Maybe all you military that know Jill so well should stop jumping to conclusions that all foreign countries are out to kidnap Americans. SHAME ON YOU and I can't WAIT until this is all exposed.
And btw, I got out of the Jerry Springer life that Jill tried to get me wrapped up in...maybe your friend should go on Jerry.
109. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 9, 2006 3:51 PM |
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110. Posted by happy civilian | September 9, 2006 3:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
FWD -
"Nope, sorry RS. Don't buy it. Officers don't gossip about others who aren't there to defend themselves - unless they are total pieces of shit. It's called honor - you have none." Are you seriously that much of a hypocrite? So, it is okay for an officer to lie about a kidnapping but RS can not give their opinion? Hmmm...nice military. Are you perhaps in the Third Reich? Is that really what our military has come to...believing any story about WMDs or "bombs in pockets" and calling someone that blows a whistle a "piece of shit". With that language of maturity you think you have honor? Please do not ever join the civilian community. Our corporations actually operate on values.
110. Posted by happy civilian | September 9, 2006 3:58 PM |
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111. Posted by RS | September 9, 2006 4:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
FwdObsvr,
Honor is to tell the truth which I'm saying now, and I've said it before to the ones that know me. Officers that keep their mouth shut about things that are wrong have a lack of integrity...one of our chore values, or simply decide to be a part of the "men's club" if you know what I mean...where they cover each others shit. I'm thinking you are part of that one and are pissed that one of "yours" got disccovered....sorry for you!
111. Posted by RS | September 9, 2006 4:16 PM |
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112. Posted by happy civilian | September 9, 2006 4:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redheaded- just have to comment on your post about "Female officers laugh at sillies like you".
First of all, I was active duty and NEVER "laughed" at a civilian spouse because they are as much patriots as their active duty spouse. Shame on you. Now I AM civilian and much more successful in my own right and do NOT sit on my butt. Your posts are ignorant and an shame to the country you serve.
112. Posted by happy civilian | September 9, 2006 4:37 PM |
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113. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 4:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
FwdObsvr: Wow, you amaze me. I never claimed to be an Intel Officer. Does this mean that all people in athletic shape or tri-athletes are trying to be like Ms. Metzger??? Military Officers, the one who carry honor, DO NOT allow other officers to carry on with conduct unbecoming. THEY DO NOT ALLOW THIS. I have extensive military family, Uncle was a Merrills Marauder and so on and so on in my family - including women. My mother was a military spouse and honored for her efforts. My husband is a LTC. I am amazed at all the bashing here, and hopes that I get raped tortured beaten and murdered are simply unacceptable. I have found the person behind this IP address, however, will maintain my integrity and not reveal the name. I am sure the media would be interested to know who you are and I am shocked to find your name behind those words.....I wished no ill will on Maj. Metzger - simply stated opinions.
113. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 4:45 PM |
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114. Posted by BM | September 9, 2006 4:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Updated photos of Jill's husband Josh from this morning.
http://www.newsblab.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
114. Posted by BM | September 9, 2006 4:46 PM |
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115. Posted by VR | September 9, 2006 4:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Awwww, c'mon Deb G., spill the "name behind the IP address". He/she said the words, where's the integrity in hiding his/her identity? It's awfully naive in this day and age to assume one can post on a public forum anonymously, and I didn't see any posting on this blog guaranteeing it.
115. Posted by VR | September 9, 2006 4:55 PM |
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116. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 6:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G:
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Meeting the storm because it caught you unawares is not found in the hall of courage, however standing in the storm in spite of it, with conviction, therein lies courage and integrity.
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For all those who are riding on the tail of how great and honorable this Major Jill Metzger is, you will soon enough be tasting the putrid feathers and flesh of fresh killed crow. Of course, you may want to jump ship first.
The story of Jill, will go down in the annals of history as one of the most bizarre acts of an Air Force officer to date. She has taken all Americans down the road of humiliation and disgrace with her. Whatever the reason, whatever the motivation, I will never understand it.
Furthermore, to be attacking the people of Kyrgyzstan, as the ones who are seeking the glory of the media is just as irresponsible as her actions.
One would have to be teetering on the brink of insanity, and the edge of gross stupidity, to believe what she is already revealing. If we are fortunate enough, to see the movie...
The Major who was Abducted by
Aliens in Kyrgyzstan.
Driven as in a trance, she followed the path on the note, to the bus station at the edge of town, whereupon she sat on a lightbeam and was transported to the alien ship.
How much deeper into the Bizarre world of Jill do you want to enter? You do so at your own risk!!!
116. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 6:20 PM |
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117. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 7:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Been there: I'm with you. All these comments are meant for opinions of what might have happened, could have happened, has been heard, but NEVER to say anything back to posters about wishing they would be abducted, tortured, raped and murdered nor name calling.....
I stand my ground here: This story is bizarre and out of context with norm. I thought about the alien theory. If, indeed, she was kidnapped then God bless her for staying alive and escaping, however, the facts clearly state the story is fishy.
Now, to those of you name calling. Do you name call any military agency, law enforcement agency and so on when they are trying to piece together facts to fit the puzzle? Do you wish all people were dead because they give views and opinions which do not fits yours? Ok, I am going to stop here....Point blank: the "story" is by all means - strange....
117. Posted by Deb G. | September 9, 2006 7:20 PM |
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118. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 7:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G:
Hang on for just a moment gal... THE PLOT is about to be revealed...
Start cooking up the crow,in big helpings...
How's everybody like theirs... With feathers.. Rare, medium, well done...
Takin' orders right here!!!!
118. Posted by Been There | September 9, 2006 7:34 PM |
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119. Posted by LTC BC Tom | September 9, 2006 8:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G:
Nice to see you on here. I was lurking for info. on the kidnapping of Metzger and came upon this site.
I would like to say, I happen to know Deb G and was at her pinning ceremony at USASOC at Ft. Bragg to Major while her Uncle was being honored by General Jones as a Merrills Merrauder. She is an exemplary Army Officer and I have the utmost respect for her. She is, by all means, entitled to her opinions of this situation as the rest of the world is. I have read the posts and see NO ill will toward Ms. Metzger at any time. I find it appalling that Arros would wish death upon anyone never mind someone simply giving an opinion. For those of you bashing on here - the problems lie within your own psyche for the name calling and evil will unto others. Deb has accomplished more than most could have experienced in a lifetime and she stands modest in regards to it all. I too, am a tri-athlete, which does not make me grandiose and wishing to be like Jill Metzger. Perhaps Ms. Metzger could only wish to be Like Deb G. and Deb certainly would never sacrifice the honor of her country to carry on an affair with someone else's fiance or husband.
So, with this said, let's focus on the positive of any of this. I too believe this story is bogus and aliens have abducted her and brought her back. Whatever the real story is, I am anxious to hear it. For the record: Military officers who are honorable to their country and military careers DO INDEED turn in other officers and relay actions unbecoming. It is the right thing to do. If anyone reading this would harbor the bad conduct of an officer or anyone in the military then YOU are just as guilty of those actions as well. Shame on you, it is not what you took an oath to do....
119. Posted by LTC BC Tom | September 9, 2006 8:00 PM |
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120. Posted by dorothy | September 9, 2006 11:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jill Metzger has gotten herself into a hell of a mess but that's her problem. Some people on this board are behaving as if this one stupid incident is going to be the end of civilization as we know it. In the whole scheme of things, who really cares whether Jill Metzger is a nutcase or not? (And she is.) You people need to lighten up a bit. Stop taking yourselves so seriously. And what's with all the "You should be ashamed of yourself!!" comments? LOL!
120. Posted by dorothy | September 9, 2006 11:46 PM |
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121. Posted by Been There | September 10, 2006 1:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dear Dorothy...
I don't know if you have missed something here??... I think you have, but I'll let others chime in if they wish.
Jill Metzger is a MAJOR, in the USAF. She has done things which REFLECT on the USAF, the Officers of the USAF, and more importantly, her country. (That by the way, is you and I)
If Joe Shmoe, or even Dorothy, goes out and does the same thing, we probably wouldn't be going through this right now. We'd be sitting back reading about it in some obscure third world newspaper on the next to the last page, along with the article about the farmer's pig who died while crossing the road.
BUT, that's not the case... so, while I appreciate your personal desire to go on with life as if nothing had happened, I personally will continue with this. WHY?... Because, Next time I land in Moscow, or Frankfurt, or Mexico City, or any other international airport, I would like to be informed so that I can intelligently address the questions people ask about life in these here United States. Especially, when they ask questions regarding senior officers in our Military.
Some of these people knew Jill. And some knew what Jill was doing on her "free time". IF, and I stress the IF, these people had used the moral code that USAF Officers are bound to, then we probably wouldn't be discussing this...WHY? Because Jill Metzger would be a civilian... maybe living right next door to you, and not out creating a national embarrassment to us who care about what happens in the military.
Thank You..
121. Posted by Been There | September 10, 2006 1:50 AM |
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122. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 1:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, guys. I'm from Kyrgyzstan. And I actually heard, that Jill Metzger was not kidnapped at all.
Rumors are that she got pregnant from local jigolo. Her contract was coming to the end, and she was going to return soon to USA to join her family and loving husband.
Abortions have been made illegal in USA recently(is this so? Or just abortion surgery is way too expensive over there?), and according to rumors, she decided to udergo abortion surgery in Kyrgyzstan.
She deserted airbase, underwent surgery, and after a couple of days, came up with the story about kidnapping.
Brilliant move, huh?
But she's putting my country in wrong light, and I am not happy with this.
122. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 1:51 AM |
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123. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 1:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I can't help it. I'm intrigued. I'm also a female Air Force officer who has been deployed a few times to various locations. The part I'm stuck on is the "friends in Bishkek"...who has friends in Bishkek? There are usually only a few types living out in town like that: expats, embassy personnel, maybe contractors like KBR, and a few other miliary and/or civilian groups we don't talk about. Only a small subset of that list has access to the base (e.g. the gym, etc) . I'm really happy Jill is ok, and I don't even know her and have never heard of her. I'll wait for the story to unfold. If it is embarassing to the AF, I hope it never goes public. I will say this though...if she had a special friend, her cell phone records over the past few months will point the investigators in the right direction. If I were a betting woman, I'd say the investigators probably have a good idea what happened already. And once they hook her up, they'll know if they are right or not. It is a great tool and very intimidating. I'm just glad she is alive and unharmed.
123. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 1:52 AM |
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124. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 1:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And to all those white chick slavery theorists:
Do you believe in all that kind of shit?
Richie (above) talks about ala kachuu, and describes it well. I worked for seven years in rural Kyrgyzstan and saw dozens of cases of it, including several of my students.
"I'd just like to comment that it's not likely that Major Metzger would be a victim of ala kachuu. She cannot provide what the abductors want: Kyrgyz housekeeping, Kyrgyz food and Kyrgyz babies."
She (Jill Metzger) is just way too ugly to become a victim of ala kachuu, IMHO.
124. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 1:56 AM |
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125. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 1:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba Kyrgyz:
I think the abortion theory is false. It sounds like a local rumor. If a woman is pregnant in the US, abortions are relatively inexpensive (considering a Major's pay) and with a little ingenuity, a woman could do it privately without anyone knowing. Not to mention, Americans are led to believe our healthcare is superior to other countries. (No insult intended, I have no idea about healthcare in your country.)
125. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 1:59 AM |
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126. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 2:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Accordingly to testaments of local taxi driver to local police here in Bishkek, she asked taxi driver to drive her from central shopping mall (where she's allegedly been kidnapped) in Bishkek to the junction of Togolok Moldo - Kievskaja streets. And local residents know, that this a location of Special Surgery Clinic, which used to serve in Soviet times local Comunist Party Head Ponchos. So abortion theory does not sound absurd in this light, especially taking into account that she's been cheating on her husband and was going to join him soon.
And as an local resident I'd say, being kidnapped in Bishkek Central shopping mall sounds as absurd as stories of kids, skiving off from the schools.
Does not sound right. Sounds like absurd UFO kidnapping stories.
126. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 2:29 AM |
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127. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 2:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba Kyrgyz:
Most of us agree the kidnapping story is hard to believe, but I personally am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. I think it sounds like she went to meet someone and thought she could get back in time to rejoin her group. I think something may have gone wrong...maybe an abduction, maybe a flat tire, whatever...and we are where we are today...she could be telling the whole truth or partial truth or no truth...
How do you know she was cheating on her husband?
What else are the local papers reporting? What else is in that area she asked the taxi to take her?
It is neat that you are there. Different perspective.
127. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 2:56 AM |
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128. Posted by Gogi from Bishkek | September 10, 2006 3:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba, the abortion theory is horseshit. Why would she do abortion in Kyrgyz roddom, when you can have access to much better facilities in the US?
I too share your unhappiness that this story reflects negatively on our country's image but so do your very insulting comments regarding her physical appearance.
As one of the comments on yahoo news goes: my calculator can't add all the facts up. Something is missing or should not be taken at face value. 1. It would take a complete dubf**k to nap a person from TsUM.
2. As Andy very well put it, we can pretty much exclude the bridenapping theory as she cannot produce what Kyrgyz men want - Kyrgyz babies, Kyrgyz housekeeping and Kyrgyz food.
3. Kidnapping by terrorists is also unlikely as they would not have simply let her go alive and unhurt. Had this been true, President Bakiev would've jumped on this opportunity to tighten screws and suppress the opposition even further.
I doubt that we will ever learn the truth. Our Interior Ministry adopted a "no comment" policy on this. The only news on this will be available from the Embassy and the AF media relations sources :(
Best wishes to JM's family and friends.
128. Posted by Gogi from Bishkek | September 10, 2006 3:03 AM |
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129. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 3:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Uhhh... excuse me Captcorajus... but just how long have you lived in Bishkek?.. or Kyrgyzstan. Before this happened... I doubt that you even knew that it existed...
I lived there. Kyrgyz don't "bridenap" nonKyrgyz women..
There are plenty of enthnic Russians living in the area.. THEY don't get "bridenapped".."
That's right. You seem to have first hand knowledge about situation in here.
In most cases, "bridenapping" is not a "bridenapping" as such. Usually, according to local traditions, parents of husband-to-be have to pay pretty lump sum of money to the parents of wife-to-be as a gift. Some families cannot pay that sum.
In this case, some couples in love, before getting married, decide to go "bridenapping" route, because this way parents of husband-to-be do not have to pay at all, according to tradition.
The woman is only happy to be "bridenapped" in this case. But she has to emulate whole thing, like tears in eyes, refusal to go into car, and blah-blah-blah.
Geniune "bridenappings" do happen although, but very likely to end up in prison term for the misfortunate "fiance".
129. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 3:16 AM |
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130. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 3:31 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Gogi:
"but so do your very insulting comments regarding her physical appearance."
I do not consider my comments about her appearance insulting. It just reflects reality, she is unlikely target for "bridenapping" for kyrgyz guys. She would look very unattractive for them by Kyrgyz standards. Being a Kyrgyz lad of Asian stock, I would not personnaly pick her out to get married.
But by European standards, she could be a pretty woman. And quite might be. So what? Things a relative in this world, kid, so are the standards of human beauty.
130. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 3:31 AM |
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131. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 3:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Most of us don't have first hand knowledge about bride-napping, even if we may have heard of it. However, the military (AF atleast) has been mandating awareness training on human trafficking. The training we are receiving talks more about forced prostitution and slavery though. That was my first fear that she had been targeted because she was an attractive American woman...who got into a cab alone in a foreign country...for whatever reason.
131. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 3:35 AM |
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132. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 10, 2006 3:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba,
Andy gave a much better explanation of why bridenapping was unlikely. Your explnation was an insult.
How about if you post your picture? Then I, referring to a difference in standards of beauty, will declare you ugly? :) After all, what you offer cannot compete with what women offer, right? So you must be ugly as hell. According to my relative standards.
GTFO.
132. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 10, 2006 3:45 AM |
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133. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 3:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Most of us agree the kidnapping story is hard to believe.
How do you know she was cheating on her husband?
"
Well, I might have been a little bit too harsh on Jill Metzger, but given the circumstances, it is probably justified to consider all the possibilities.
This incongruent kidnapping story, just spawning around rumors in Kyrgyzstan. Some pieces in this jig-saw are missing. So, it natural thing, that people speading rumors, inventing guess-work stories, etc.
Local papers are keeping to abduction theory line.
This might be beneficiary case to our Government to crack down hard on the opposition.
One of the opposition leaders, Omurbek Tekebaev, was recently caught in Poland trafficking drugs (4 pounds of heroin to be precise). Allegedly, this was a setup.
The whole thing could be provocation from Kyrgyz Secret services.
133. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 3:53 AM |
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134. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 4:21 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Intrigued
"The training we are receiving talks more about forced prostitution and slavery though. That was my first fear that she had been targeted because she was an attractive American woman...who got into a cab alone in a foreign country...for whatever reason."
Dear Ms. Intrugued,
It does not work like that in here, in Kyrgyzstan.
Usually, human traffickers put an ad in local papers like
"Job vacancies for waitresses are open in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Hurry up. Number of vacancies are limited. Attractive salary packages. Housing and food provided by employer. Blah-blah-blah."
Some naive women belive in this kind of stuff. They voluntarily fly to their slavery, believing that the glorious future is awaiting for them.
Upon the arrival, their passports are taken away.
They are forced into prostitution. Thay are terribly beaten first into complete submission.
Usually police of country, where they enslaved, is corrupted too. They are bribed by human traffickers. No chance of escape without passport, no chance of flying back without money, documents.
It does not work like "kidnapping, forcing into car"... No. In contrary, they are led to their slavery by lies about their prospects. No sticks used, just carrots.
134. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 4:21 AM |
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135. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 4:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Posted by: Gogi from KG at September 10, 2006 03:45 AM
Kuba
How about if you post your picture? Then I, referring to a difference in standards of beauty, will declare you ugly? :) After all, what you offer cannot compete with what women offer, right?"
Gogi, you've probaly been smoking too much of horseshit recently to make a such a statement.
I'm saying that Jill is attractive by Caucasean standards, but might not be good looking gal from the point of view of Central Asian lads.
And yes, I might be an ugly bloke, with hair tufting fron my nose, Thanks to God, and I won't be sexnapped by women with my repulsive appearance, Thanks to Lord. Are you satisfied, Gogi? Did we get even?
135. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 4:38 AM |
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136. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 6:10 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
1) Ok, I'll drop the abortion theory. Contraception makes wonders nowadays.
2) "Bridenapping" is just laughable. Follow previous posts, to see my point.
3) Islamic militants kidnapped her. Absurd.
Very unlikely event in Bishkek.
4) She went to say good by to her sweatheart before flying back to US.
That looks like very likely reason for me. Many things done in this world in the name of Love. Let me guess that she was having an affair with some local man. That's not me, by the way, but I digress. Her duty in Manas airbase in Kyrgyzstan was ending. She was to fly to back home to US.
She felt an urge to see last time her lover.
We are all human, and humans are fallible, aren't they? That's what happened. No one came up with this guess.
I think that I am the only on to strike a nail right on the head here. Ta-dah, I deserved a pay rise.
I guess, that officials will stick to kidnapping. Convenient.
Pls. Check out following web site.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/07/world/asia/07kyrgyz.html?n=Top%2FNews%2FWorld%2FCountries%20and%20Territories%2FUnited%20States
U.S. Air Force Major Missing in Kyrgyzstan
Members of the military stationed at Manas are allowed to travel off the base only with permission and in groups. Major Metzger, who is assigned to the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing, was on an approved trip with co-workers, said Capt. Anna Carpenter, a spokeswoman for the air base.
Mr. Jangarayev said the group had separated in the store but agreed to meet later. When the rest of the group gathered, the major did not appear.
Mr. Jangarayev said that Major Metzger had friends in the city and that she was scheduled to leave Bishkek this week.
Kyrgyzstan, a small Central Asian republic, has allowed the United States to operate an air base at Bishkek’s civilian airport since late 2001. There has been little anti-American sentiment in the population, and the country, once a remote part of the Soviet Union, is largely peaceful and open to outsiders.
Mr. Jangarayev said the pattern of her calls suggested that she might have been someone’s guest in Bishkek or had left with an acquaintance. But such a move would be highly unusual for a career American military officer, and the embassy declined to comment on such theories.
“I think at this point we just can’t speculate,” Ambassador Yovanovitch said.
136. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 6:10 AM |
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137. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 9:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS while you may think it is very "noble" of you to "come forward" with irrelevant personal details about Metzger; and while Deb thinks it is her moral duty to maliciously speculate about an officer she knows NOTHING about; and while LTC Tom thinks that's all fine and dandy...let's put this into perspective: YOU ARE GOSSIPING ON A BLOG. You are not nobly upholding the "core values" of your oath.
RS said, "Officers that keep their mouth shut about things that are wrong have a lack of integrity..." Shut up. You cannot honestly believe that your gossiping on a blog is in any way a mark of integrity!! If you've got important info that is crucial to the investigation, go render it to the proper authorities. But do NOT sit here in sanctimonious piety as if you're doing your patriotic duty. You are a joke.
LTC Tom, you are one guy who has come forward to say that Deb is all that and a bag of chips, as if that's relevant. You may be a sock puppet for all we know. Do you know how many other officers have come on this board and others to say that they KNOW Metzger and vouch for what a stellar officer she is? Do you know how much credence Deb G puts into all those testimonials? Zero. Deb is on this blog (and possibly others, considering her commitment to the subject at hand), supposedly with no agenda (according to her), and openly impugning the honor, integrity, and credibility of a fellow officer. All of that when there is no proof yet of anything, there is only speculation. Did you get that, Tom? No proof. And last I heard, one is innocent until proven guilty, not that that matters to Deb and RS. They are happy to wallow in gossip, and it reflects poorly on officers who should know better. FwdObsrvr called 'em REMFs. Ouch.
Happy Civilian said, "So, it is okay for an officer to lie about a kidnapping but RS can not give their opinion?" You have jumped to a conclusion based upon your own private angst. There has been no statement, nor proof that Metzger has lied. You have jumped to a conclusion that suits your agenda of "getting back" at Metzger and then somehow tried to tie that whole sordid mess into "this is why we're in Iraq". What kind psychosis is that? Please keep your soap opera off these blogs and tell your "boyfriend" that if you've got info that is important to the investigation, you will contact the authorities like an adult; instead of gossiping on a blog like a 5th grader.
My hunch is that if Kevin or JayTea ran a quick check on these comments, they will find that there has been a proliferation of sock puppets.
137. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 9:03 AM |
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138. Posted by PAC | September 10, 2006 9:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
AF closely holding abduction story
http://www.currentargus.com/ci_4313410
138. Posted by PAC | September 10, 2006 9:13 AM |
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139. Posted by BM | September 10, 2006 9:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
US Military publication reports, Major Jill Metzger's husband and father-in-law are both special agents working for the Office of Special Investigations (OSI).
http://newsblab.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
139. Posted by BM | September 10, 2006 9:23 AM |
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140. Posted by Andy | September 10, 2006 9:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba Kyrgyz is not telling the truth about bride-stealing. As I said earlier, I lived seven years in Naryn and knew of dozens of cases, several involving young women that I knew personally. These were forced abductions with no prior concent by the girl. Usually she "sat down" (thereby signalling concent) after she had been sexually tainted, or else simply out of fear.
I know of a single case in which the form of ala kachuu was played between a guy and girl who had arranged their marriage. (I knew them both well, and had argued with the young man for hours on several occasions that he should not follow the tradition.)
Now, none of this pertains to the case of Major Metzger because, as we all agree, ala kachuu occurs within the Kyrgyz culture. The only exception I know of was the Chinese/American woman who got nabbed off the street because she looked very Kyrgyz. She was turned loose a few blocks down the street when the 'nappers realized they had a foreigner.
But I will not allow Kuba Kyrgyz to claim that ala kachuu is rare, or that it is usually concentual, or that the compensation paid afterwards in the form of livestock or money makes ala kachuu anything less than or other than kidnapping, rape and enslavement.
140. Posted by Andy | September 10, 2006 9:56 AM |
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141. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidel: Get over yourself. Not sure why you constantly pick me out of this entire board giving ONLY opinions and thoughts about this "story". Everyone on this board, INCLUDING YOURSELF, is offering thoughts and opinions. YOU, however, are giving comments about posters on this board, rather than sticking to the topic at hand. You are so clueless and so angered - most likely at women...
141. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:04 AM |
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142. Posted by Andy | September 10, 2006 10:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
One more thing:
Kuba Kyrgyz says: "Geniune "bridenappings" do happen although, but very likely to end up in prison term for the misfortunate "fiance"."
I never heard of a single case of this happening. I know of several people who appealed to the police for help after a bridenapping, and not one single case where the law took action to defend the girl.
142. Posted by Andy | September 10, 2006 10:06 AM |
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143. Posted by Mark is Amazed | September 10, 2006 10:11 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidel: I have been watching some of these posts and have read several and I assume you have an axe to grind in regards to Deb G. as you are, in fact, picking her out constantly for whatever reasons, even though others on this board have obviously spoken much worse of Jill Metzger and her character. You write why would someone write about her, its irrelevant, then WHY WOULD YOU WRITE ABOUT HER AND CONTINUE TO NEGATE HER, its irrelevant. You have some serious issues going on. Allow others to post what they feel is going on. I wonder why you are siding with Metzger as YOU DON'T KNOW HER EITHER or the real story......not sure what the hell a sock puppet is, but you seem to be one to this board and all involved in their free speach entitlements....go away, you're a fungus...
p.s. Not that it matters, but I recall reading about Deb Gs Uncle at USASOC, it made some big news at Fort Bragg and the historical value of the fact he is one of the last surviving members of the Burma Road situation and what was the beginning of the Special Forces...quite the honor...
143. Posted by Mark is Amazed | September 10, 2006 10:11 AM |
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144. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Because Deb's behavior is unbecoming an officer. She ought to be held to a higher standard than the gossip-mongering rabble.
She can dish it out all she wants, but she shouldn't have to take it? Is that what you're saying, Mark?
144. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:34 AM |
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145. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
At least Deb is here to "defend" herself from big old meanie me, but Metzger is not. How is that cool with you?
145. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:36 AM |
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146. Posted by Happy civilian | September 10, 2006 10:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead:
I am not jumping to conclusions based upon anger, I am forming a conclusion based upon facts. Perhaps you should do the same because you are representing yourself as an ill-informed officer.
Further, I have taken the emails to "authorities" when I was questioned for my ex-husbands top-secret clearance 1.5 years ago. My ex did not get his clearance, and surely if Miss Metzgers personal life is motivation for her "abduction" those emails will surface via the investigation - I was told they will remain on file for 11 years. After I was interviewed, I went about my life with a successful civilian career and didn't think twice about Jill - only with relief that she saved me. I could have done many vindictive things such as involve her Commander when it was all happening, yet I did not. In retrospect, taking the high road as I saw it at the time was probably a mistake. I was a civilian and wanted nothing but to get on with my life, and I did. We are simply sharing our knowledge of Miss Metzgers charactor (which IS important since she is claiming an abduction in a friendly country which we are lucky to have as our allies).
At first I was hesitant to share my story as it leaves me a bit sick even having known this girl. As I read all the postings saying what a great person/officer Jill was I gave my side...simply saying a person isn't always what they seem and look at ALL SIDES before forming a conclusion that she was kidnapped.
I wish that you would use some of your energy reading the news and the reports that Jills story doesn't add up, and spend less of it attacking accomplished people like Deb G on this board for sharing their opinion.
146. Posted by Happy civilian | September 10, 2006 10:41 AM |
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147. Posted by Kurt in GA | September 10, 2006 10:43 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidel: Great name by the way. Get the hell off this board you piece of shit. I happen to know the story about Deb G.s Uncle from getting his autograph while at USASOC. I am part of a Ranger Unit and this man was part of the 475th Rangers which originated the 75th Ranger group. Who the hell do you think you are openly putting down fellow officers who have done nothing, not made the news in regards to bombs being put in back pockets and so on. Maj. G has more integrity in her pinky than Metzger has making the news regarding being abducted by aliens!
You disgust me and are a complete hypocrit as you sit hidden behind your keyboard attacking anyone and everyone who posts opinions here. You are a stupid ass jungle shit who knows nothing...
hahahahahah you are making a fool out of yourself.....
147. Posted by Kurt in GA | September 10, 2006 10:43 AM |
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148. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G, supposedly an officer, claims she knows Metzger, and emphatically states she is exactly like the Runaway Bride. And she says this, "I have a gut feeling that Jill is AWOL. Given her past history of cheating - which I have heard before and her going to be leaving the area in 3 days. It is possible, she left with a man she was having an affair with while stationed there and then mysteriously appears 3 days later. STay tuned...
And this is OK with you? Gossiping and maliciously speculating about Metzger when she's not here to defend herself, before ANY of the facts are known, and then trying to cower behind the supposed reputation of her medaled relatives, as if that boosts her credibility. That's just pathetic.
Deb, don't try to pose as if you were just rendering an opinion on a news story - you blatantly aired personal dirty laundry in order to make Metzger look bad. I wonder what your illustrious relatives would think about that? Well, no really, I couldn't care less.
148. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:48 AM |
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149. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead: You have some serious mental issues going on in your head. I have not dished out in a long time about my opinions regarding Jill Metzger's situation. I offered my opinions yesterday and not since. You, on the other hand, keeping bringing my name up. I truly am beginning to think you might know me at Fort Bragg and are actually quite jealous of my own accomplisments. Again, my conduct is not unbecoming, however, yours is. You do not know me, do not know Jill and do not know the folks on the board. Jill's situation has made national media attention and yes, she is an example of the USAF. Anyone and everyone is entitled to throw out theories and thoughts and opinions. There is no reason to post against someone on this board who offers an opinion. What is up with you??? You have no idea what conduct unbecoming is....
I think you like me - you sure offer me a lot of attention even though I have posted NOTHING about Jill Metzger since yesterday and others have gone on with stories and opinions, however, you don't post back to them....I am glad I have become a fan of yours!
149. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:50 AM |
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150. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead: LOLOLOL. I am so happy I have become a fan of yours! A high percentage of people on this board have posted nearly the same info.
You are a clown......do you have any other causes to go and take care of which you know nothing about??
I stand strong with my conduct and your false interpretation of my thoughts are laughable...
150. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:53 AM |
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151. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead: I guess all the terrible things you are saying about others, and myself, are OK though???
It's like you have a fly swatter and are trying to swat at all the comments and opinions you don't like - geesh, you are going to have a heart attack....
151. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 10:55 AM |
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152. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kurt: Who the fuck cares about Deb's relatives? It has nothing to do with Deb's own behavior, except that she's made it so.
Piece of shit, eh? LOL Go ahead and check me out with the President of the 75th Ranger Regiment association. You'll sing a different tune...
152. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 10:56 AM |
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153. Posted by Deb G | September 10, 2006 10:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Tom and Kurt:
I am not sure I know you two, however, thanks for the defense against someone I feel is noone. I am proud of my Uncle's history, as well as my entire family. Thank you for honoring his efforts...
This board is not about me though. Redhead is making me a celebrity and ignoring all the other posts.....I guess she point blank did not see the posts I posted in respect for Jill's family and for the possibility Jill might be sincerely telling the truth.....
ok, why am I responding to an obviously angry, jealous nobody female???
153. Posted by Deb G | September 10, 2006 10:58 AM |
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154. Posted by RS | September 10, 2006 11:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Readhead,
You said: "You cannot honestly believe that your gossiping on a blog is in any way a mark of integrity!!" I'm not gossiping, I'm telling the truth about Jill and giving my two cents in her current situation. Sorry if you cant handle it, I won't try to explaining it to you as I REFUSE TO GO DOWN TO YOUR LEVEL.
154. Posted by RS | September 10, 2006 11:14 AM |
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155. Posted by CarrielaughingatRed | September 10, 2006 11:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead: You are a worthless piece of work. Deb's relatives obviously have some high honors which have been acknowledged at the United States Army Special Operations Command. Who the hell cares about you or Jill for that matter? and why do you care about Jill so much????????
You have no idea what you are talking about - speaking in circles. It is clear you have something against Deb G for whatever reasons - which are senseless and humiliating you in the process. You speak of dishonor blah blah blah, however, you are dishonoring Deb and her family and many others on this board. You are an angry soul........
155. Posted by CarrielaughingatRed | September 10, 2006 11:26 AM |
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156. Posted by Analyst | September 10, 2006 11:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
1. Unless Jill has a history of faked kidnapping then her history (good or bad) is irrelevant to this discussion.
2. As a general observation "faking" a kidnapping is not done out of love, but out of fear. Pervasive, overwhelming, uncontrollable fear.
3. If she was kidnapped she is deserving of support and compassion.
4. If she "faked" her kidnapping she would likely have done so as a consequence of a fear which effectively hijacked her reason. As such, she is deserving of support and compassion.
5. If she has purposely or inadvertently harmed you in the past then feel free to see this "incident" as cosmic payback - if that gives you solace.
6. If she has purposely or indavertently harmed you in the past and you have no need for cosmic payback then feel free to see this "incident" as an opportunity for her to learn and grow - if that gives you solace.
7. For all concerned. For all amused. For all saddened. For all angered. Reflect upon the power of emotion. Perhaps then you will all see Jill for who she is, not who you want her to be.
Peace and happiness to you all.
156. Posted by Analyst | September 10, 2006 11:46 AM |
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157. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 11:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead: Lastly, for all the reporters, investigators and so on who give opinions and thoughts and theories, on the news, in the papers, on the internet, etc...do you also call, email or write letters to them completely trying to defame their characters for offering insight into media situations?
I feel badly for you - you have problems.
157. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 11:56 AM |
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158. Posted by Kurt in GA | September 10, 2006 12:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidel: You have serious mental problems. "Supposed medaled relatives". I, as well as others are obviously well aware of the day Deb's Uncle was honored. You have now completely dishonored a man whose very unit was responsible for the beginning of special forces and the 75th Ranger Unit. You claim to be aware of the 75th Ranger Regiment Unit. If you were aware of this, then you would certainly be aware of Charles L. Ward who was the very man honored. You, my dear, are the fraud here with nothing to offer anyone but negative words and doubt about someone's highly honored relatives. You are nothing.....and a complete shame to this country
158. Posted by Kurt in GA | September 10, 2006 12:01 PM |
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159. Posted by KarenKMA | September 10, 2006 12:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidelis: I do have to point out:
You doubt Deb G's credibility, which I for one do not and which others on this board have vouched for - shame on you. Yet, you stand by Jill Metzger, whom you do not even know and you believe her story.
You are a hypocrit and seriously disturbed. What is wrong with you?
159. Posted by KarenKMA | September 10, 2006 12:12 PM |
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160. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 12:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kurt, Deb is anonymous to me - I have no idea who she is, so how on g-d's green earth could I know who her relatives are? And what does her uncle have to do with anything? Get a grip, man.
160. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 12:14 PM |
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161. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 12:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Karen, many others have vouched for Metzger - does that count for nothing? One guy, LTC Tom, says he knows who Deb is and vouched for her. Fine, that doesn't mean that I can't think her behavior is shoddy.
Is there an echo in here? Because Karen sounds exactly like Carrie who sounds exactly like Deb - same words and all...
161. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 12:20 PM |
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162. Posted by KarenKMA | September 10, 2006 12:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead Infidel: You are deeply disturbed and need help......same words? You speak English don't you? Same words in the English language. I use the word DISTURBED just as you would.
Everyone on here uses the same words - you need some mental help....as the other posts have stated - you pick out the WOMEN in this room to attack - ugly person you are, sick really....
162. Posted by KarenKMA | September 10, 2006 12:45 PM |
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163. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 12:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead: What is it with you? Shoddy behavior? Because I voiced my opinion and thoughts as everyone on here has???? I have not voiced my opinion about this situation in some time now - as I have already stated.
Why do you insist on solely picking my name out? As I have said: I am glad I am a fan of yours....you don't like women do you??????
Karen and Carry: I am assuming Redhead thinks we know each other! this is getting funny...
163. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 12:48 PM |
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164. Posted by behindthescenes | September 10, 2006 12:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead I: youre a sick fuck lesbian, in love with Jill Metzgar! I don't know Deb g but I do know you have focused on her name, not even posts because MANY OTHERS have posted some pretty bad stuff about Metgar and you have said nothing.
lmao rotflmao!! i guess you think i am an echo too! you have gotten the attention you have looked for.....clearly, you hate women - go get a cucumber
164. Posted by behindthescenes | September 10, 2006 12:54 PM |
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165. Posted by alias Kevin | September 10, 2006 1:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm off this board. Too many crazy posts from Redhead Infidel which are completely insane.
Good luck to you Deb G. and your Uncle is an honorable man. Ignore RI, she is nuts! I would hope anyone here sees her for what she really is....
165. Posted by alias Kevin | September 10, 2006 1:03 PM |
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166. Posted by Kianna | September 10, 2006 1:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Can we get back to the Major people. My sis was a Major in the army best sex in her life now she's a sorry mom saddled with kids-- what's the fun workin your way up the ranks if you can't get internationally laid all around the world? Really what is the draw for women in the military if you cant bang hot guys all of the time? She got her spotlight and you all are lettin her keep it--if she's manipulative and needs attention she is 1 for 1 on this site.
166. Posted by Kianna | September 10, 2006 1:07 PM |
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167. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 1:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ft Bragg crew:
Don't get mad at me and I won't get anymore specific than this. For those of you who know Jill, has she ever had assignments or associations with some of your friends in the area? I just can't think of anyone else who would be living off post that she could be friends with... those guys do have access to the base though... and Jill is an attractive girl who works out at the gym... Who has friends in Bishkek?
I'm probably going to get yelled at now. I'm not suggesting any one of them hurt her. I think she went to see friends and just didn't make it back in time. Friends like that could help her come up with a good story though. And friends like that stick together.
This was the first thing that popped into my mind...based on my own personal experiences...
I'm still open to the fact that she could be telling the truth.
167. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 1:08 PM |
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168. Posted by VP | September 10, 2006 1:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok...something is fishy...last article says she still wants to run the Air Force marathon when she gets back to the states???
168. Posted by VP | September 10, 2006 1:16 PM |
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169. Posted by Jake Jacobsen | September 10, 2006 1:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm gonna have to stand with the Redhead infidel on this one. No matter what we "think" we know, the truth is anything and everything we have to offer right now is at best a WAG (wild ass guess.
Like RI said in her first post, why don't we just wait and see what the deal is before slamming this individual?
And yes, even if the Major did all the things you say, it's still pretty goddamn lowdown to throw them out now, when we don't know anything about her situation.
169. Posted by Jake Jacobsen | September 10, 2006 1:37 PM |
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170. Posted by PAC | September 10, 2006 1:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Missing major's family react to her recovery
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123026816
170. Posted by PAC | September 10, 2006 1:52 PM |
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171. Posted by mb | September 10, 2006 2:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I sit here, amazed, to have watched this thread turn from a discussion about the disappearance of a person into something similar to a 5th grade playground squabble. No one fully knows what happened (other than that Jill Metzger went missing), but many are using their own positions in life to add credibility to what they say--"I'm an officer, so..."; "I know Jill, so..."; "I'm an officer who knows that officer, so…"; and on, and on, and on. After many years of dealing with similar situations, in a professional capacity (uh oh... there I go with that "position in life" thing), I've learned that most of the facts will eventually come out, but maybe not fully be disclosed to the public. I say "most of the facts", because "facts" depend upon the perspective, outlook, past of the experiences (which color perspective), etc. of the person providing the information. If a group of five people witness the same event, each person will provide a somewhat different accounting of that event. The stories will generally point to the same general conclusion, but there will be differences. Again, this depends upon their past experiences and personal perspectives. This is so very apparent in the discussions on this thread (even though no one knows what "really" happened).
All that we know is that Jill Metzger went missing and that there are at least two explanations: 1) She was taken against her will, or 2) She made a decision to leave. When investigating something, one has to look at all possibilities (some of which are positive for those involved and others that are negative for them). Opinions relating to character, provided by those who "know" the person, can help formulate investigative plans, but they really don't add to what really happened. They may, however, help to later answer the "why" factor of what an investigation tries to determine--who did what; what did they do; when, where, and how did they do it; and why did they do it (the toughest to show). Also, absolute statements about someone's character (good or bad) and why that person would or would not do something have the potential to come back and reflect negatively on the person making those statements. No one knows anybody well enough (not even themselves) to make an absolute judgment on what they would or would not do in a particularly stressful situation. We all know what we would like to do, or what we would do most of the time, but sometimes even "good" people make bad decisions and "bad" people make good decisions.
None of the arguments on this thread deal with the substance of what happened. All they have shown is that people have formulated in their minds, based on their own perceptions of past experiences with Ms Metzger or others who may know her, what they think happened. They have also, apparently, touched on the sensitivities of some folks and started a defensive mud-slinging session. With each post, people bring the other side down to a new level of ill-will that is unbecoming of the traditional standards of the US Armed Forces (for those who are military) and, more importantly, unbecoming of adult human beings.
I'm glad she's back from her ordeal. Regardless of whether or not she was knowingly involved with her disappearance, she, her family, and her friends are going to have to endure some unpleasantness. If she happened to have been a willing participant, she and those associated with her are going to have to live with the consequences; however, we all make mistakes and are in no position to pass judgment on what someone deserves. Let's quit focusing on "poor little me"--there is always someone worse off. Be thankful for what you have and start showing some compassion for people.
171. Posted by mb | September 10, 2006 2:06 PM |
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172. Posted by gr | September 10, 2006 2:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Tom=Kurt=Deb G=Carrie=Karen=behindthescenes. Who else does she hide behind? Happy civilian? The AF global shows only 2 Maj Deb G's. Interesting. That might even be her real name.
172. Posted by gr | September 10, 2006 2:28 PM |
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173. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 2:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok. I'm going back to my life now and preparing for my own deployment. Good luck to everyone, and my best wishes to Jill and her family. Out.
173. Posted by Intrigued | September 10, 2006 2:55 PM |
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174. Posted by Kender | September 10, 2006 3:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow...the hateful sock-puppetry against Jill is amazing....
174. Posted by Kender | September 10, 2006 3:28 PM |
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175. Posted by Kevin Aylward | September 10, 2006 3:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sock Puppet Alert!
Deb G., CarrielaughingatRed, Kurt in GA, KarenKMA, behindthescenes, alias Kevin, Mark is Amazed, and LTC BC Tom all come from the same IP address - 65.191.21.12. That's a cable modem address, so they're all coming from the same residence.
Arguing you point is fine, inventing other identities to help make your point - or trash others - is not...
175. Posted by Kevin Aylward | September 10, 2006 3:50 PM |
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176. Posted by dorothy | September 10, 2006 4:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL...how many posting names does Deb G have??? Talk about a nutcase.
176. Posted by dorothy | September 10, 2006 4:16 PM |
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177. Posted by Deb G | September 10, 2006 4:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yes, this board has gotten "crazy" and "insane". gr: you are on the same level as Redheaded.
For your record: I am not in the AF nor did I ever say I was and do you really think I would use my real name on this board?? My real name is Deb, last name is not G - however, the others who know my Uncle are in tune with the USASOC honoring him, thus, figured who I was pretty quickly - it was no secret....
good grief: you folks constantly putting my name up - get a life....
177. Posted by Deb G | September 10, 2006 4:59 PM |
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178. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 5:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kevin: You're insane. I don't even have cable. I am sure the rest of the folks you have listed are all here with me. Crazy stuff....
[Bullshit - See this lookup of the address. Road Runner doesn't do dialup... I *suppose* it could be DSL as opposed to a cable modem, but that's irrelavant. It's the address you (and they) post from, and the address you continue to post from.]
You folks need a life. I made opinions and comments about a situation as the rest of the folks here. Others know my Uncle being honored at USASOC....nice scenarios you make up - now, perhaps you can solve the Jill Metgzer abduction case.....
178. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 5:02 PM |
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179. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 5:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Geesh, I leave and come back to find some on here have gone a bit overboard. I'm Out - obviously will not be able to share opinions or comments about a situation at hand....
179. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 5:05 PM |
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180. Posted by FwdObsrvr | September 10, 2006 5:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Redhead was right all along. Amazing.
My instincts about you were right, Red - I'll take your six anytime, soldier.
Nice work, Kevin A.
180. Posted by FwdObsrvr | September 10, 2006 5:46 PM |
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181. Posted by dorothy | September 10, 2006 7:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm glad that Jill Metzger is alive and well, although I do not believe her story. Nor do I believe the way Deb G has been replying to herself over and over again on this board...LOL! There are so many great exchanges between Deb G and herself, but if I had to pick my most favorite one, it would be this: "Deb G: Nice to see you on here. I was lurking for info. on the kidnapping of Metzger and came upon this site." I'm also fond of the ones where she says (to herself, of course) "Deb G, I couldn't have said it better myself!" Deb G is a HUGE fan of Deb G!!
181. Posted by dorothy | September 10, 2006 7:31 PM |
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182. Posted by Misha I | September 10, 2006 7:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hah! Sock puppet much, Debbie Diddums?
I only just got here and it took me a while to read through all of your different personas' and voices in your head, but it was pretty damn obvious that you were the same sick little puppy going through its socks like a Clinton through a high school cheerleading squad.
The funniest thing isn't that you're resorting to a trick that went out of fashion with 12-year-olds on alt.flame, however, it's that you honestly thought you'd get away with it, you sad little sack of shite.
Oh, and say hi to your imaginary uncle for me, and know that I am in awe of your legendary great-great-great-great...-great-aunt who used to darn George Washington's socks.
At least she didn't play with them.
Oh, I'm laughing, alright. But it ain't WITH you.
As to HappyCivilian: You're really obsessively angry with Jill, aren't you? Don't get me wrong, I have no use for cheating wives and/or husbands, so I understand that you're pissed off completely. But something tells me that you aren't quite as "over it" as you like to claim to be.
That's alright. Again, I understand, but don't try to make it look like anything other than what it is: You hate her guts (understandably so, if what you say is true), but the rest of us really don't give a damn and, furthermore, it has little if any bearing to the matter at hand.
Enjoy the fact that you got away from the cheating dog instead of trawling the web in search of whoever did you wrong. Just friendly advice. You'll thank me later.
182. Posted by Misha I | September 10, 2006 7:36 PM |
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183. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 8:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dorothy, I too, reread Deb's little convos with her multiple personalities with a new eye for comedy. My favorite exchanges she had with herself are:
Hmmmmmm...
Sock puppets don't count when they "vouch for credibility", Deb.
Then this little exchange between Deb's multiple personalities is cute:
But my all-time favorite quote from Deb is this one:
Classy, eh? Conduct becoming an officer? I think not. I find it amusing that Deb accuses me of being a lesbian, but then I supposedly hate women? This schizophrenic little persona of Deb's almost gave me whiplash. No, Deb, I don't hate women - but I do get annoyed by gossip-mongers and particularly nasty little frauds like you.
And in closing:
No, Deb, we've all now seen you for what YOU ARE. A poseur and a fraud. A petty, vindictive, and malicious person with an agenda to slander Major Metzger. I think it's reasonable to assume your snide allegations against Major Metzger are patently false, since everything else you've written here has been incontrovertibly proven false. You could not even argue the strength of your convictions without a platoon of false identities to hide behind.
Referencing my very first comment to you, Deb - your agenda has now been exposed for the filth that it is.
Good-bye.
183. Posted by Redhead Infidel | September 10, 2006 8:12 PM |
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184. Posted by Kender | September 10, 2006 8:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And THAT, folks is how a sock puppet gets washed, dried and put away.
184. Posted by Kender | September 10, 2006 8:19 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 20:19
185. Posted by Pica | September 10, 2006 8:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004813090
Press is sniffing a hoax.
185. Posted by Pica | September 10, 2006 8:29 PM |
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186. Posted by Analyst | September 10, 2006 8:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
FYI
A U.S. Air Force major who went missing for three days arrived at a U.S. military hospital in Germany on Sunday, and a senior Kyrgyz police official said that her departure "strongly complicates" the probe into her disappearance.
http://www.examiner.com/a-276006~Missing_U_S__Officer_Arrives_in_Germany.html
186. Posted by Analyst | September 10, 2006 8:36 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 20:36
187. Posted by RS | September 10, 2006 9:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Analyst and Pica, Thanks for the links. This story keeps getting more weird. I wonder if we'll ever find out what truly happened.
187. Posted by RS | September 10, 2006 9:06 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 21:06
188. Posted by Red Shift (not RS, not Rehead Infidel) | September 10, 2006 9:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm stilll waiting for an answer to my question, Deb G. You military types all talk about honor and integrity. Especially you officer types. But I know that 90 percent of you have graveyard-loads of skeletons in your closets, and the only "integrity" you have is in covering your ass and getting that next promotion. But true to form, you all start talking about pedigrees and are naturally related to the "greatest generation" who fought off the Nazi menace. Cue Band of Brothers theme music. Put that in your IP address and smoke it.
188. Posted by Red Shift (not RS, not Rehead Infidel) | September 10, 2006 9:09 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 21:09
189. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 9:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
wow, come back to all kinds of comments. Ok, here is the truth: nope, no multiple personalities here - military barbecue at house and a laptop on the kitchen table (as always is) so a few others jumped on board to reply to some ridiculous postings and have some fun to some stupid nonsense and yes, Redhead's incesant attacking of myself. Notice how I did not post anything about Metzger since yesterday and only came back today while others were at the house???Yes, did make up the two women responding (good eyes to catch on to that one, but I wasn't really being serious anyway), but NOT the others, they were, in fact, real OTHER people. Couldn't help but have some fun with the attacking.
Proves our point though - EVERYTHING IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE so stop believing all you are hearing or reading.
Here is the truth, as it seems you have all been interested: Yes, I am a military officer, yes, my Uncle was a Merrill's Marauder honored at USASOC (don't go there with bashing him, take some time to look him up and honor his history), father was 28 years Army, 3 wars and extensive military history, born and raised on Army bases, did win a 5 year battle against the VA for my father's Agent Orange related death (if you chose to bash him too and dishonor his memory then you prove to be no real human being), and on and on...I do find it amazing that I was constantly brought up by Redhead nearly all day - wake up folks and realize you have someone on this board just looking for trouble - all I did was defend myself against a woman who means NOTHING to me. Had fun with all of this though......so, as I was telling others at our barbecue here, they jumped on and responded and thought the entire character of some was well, immature and humorous.
So, I will stop here and thank God Jill Metzger is alive and well and will be re-united with her family. I stand behind my feelings of a fishy story - sorry, can't change that - try changing the opinions of the rest of the folks on this board. Friends and I do, however, find it amazingly strange that I was mentioned nearly all day......
Good one - now go try and figure out WHAT HAPPENED TO JILL METZGER.....good luck....I'm off this board.....you have provided some great humor to all of us today!!!I will sign you all up for the CIA or FBI or something to that nature.....
LOL - the games people play, Redhead should be proud of herself - we will give you a gold star...perhaps you should focus on the constant character bashing she and others here do rather than focusing on someone's opinions of a media situation....
thanks for the fun day!
189. Posted by Deb G. | September 10, 2006 9:16 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 21:16
190. Posted by Red Shift | September 10, 2006 9:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh, fuck me. Now we get the Band of Brothers bullshit once more, and to top it off...a barbecue. How much more All-American can you get? *cue Stars and Stripes Forever*
190. Posted by Red Shift | September 10, 2006 9:19 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 21:19
191. Posted by Red Shift | September 10, 2006 9:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here's my IP address, by the way: 88.111.115.165
Have fun trying to get anything out of it, by the way, except what country I'm in.
191. Posted by Red Shift | September 10, 2006 9:27 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 21:27
192. Posted by JustAGirl | September 10, 2006 10:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Looks like you play games yourself Deb, so why get angry with Redhead for calling you out on your game?
192. Posted by JustAGirl | September 10, 2006 10:24 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 22:24
193. Posted by Misha I | September 10, 2006 10:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OK, Diddums, you got me there.
I never, ever, not ONCE thought I'd run into a pathetic excuse for sock puppetry worse than Glenn Greenwald's, but there you are, proving that, with a bit of effort, even the most retarded of stories can be outdone.
The sheer enormity of your idiocy has me in complete awe.
Deb, you are beyond a doubt the monument to retardedness around the base of which lesser morons gather to worship.
193. Posted by Misha I | September 10, 2006 10:28 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 22:28
194. Posted by dorothy | September 10, 2006 10:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Does the Deb G fun never end?! Military barbecue with the guests taking turns posting from her laptop...LOL! Do come back, Deb G, and try your luck at saving face once again. You could always say that your dog did it...that sounds more believable than anything you've posted on this board to date. You don't seem to have the first clue just how obvious and transparent you are. Duh.
194. Posted by dorothy | September 10, 2006 10:34 PM |
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Posted on September 10, 2006 22:34
195. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 11:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Kuba Kyrgyz is not telling the truth about bride-stealing. As I said earlier, I lived seven years in Naryn and knew of dozens of cases, several involving young women that I knew personally."
I did tell "Genuine bridenappings" do happen. Especially in Naryn - remote rural area with little population. Never heard of this happening in Bishkek.
I'll tell you what. Jill Metzger came up with fishy story about her being kidnapped, for whatever reason.
Security cameras picked up her taking taxi near TSUM shortly before her disappearing.
She made several calls from payphone, not from her cell. She had something to hide.
And most interesting part of whole story, that she turned up couple of days later near Kant.
For those, who do not know, what is that, I'll explain: That is the location of Russian military base. Russian airfighters and interceptors are stationed there.
If Jill had an affair with brave Russian pilot, that's fine for me. But she came up with bunch of lies about kidnapping. This is not a pretty thing.
Period.
195. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 10, 2006 11:57 PM |
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196. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 12:31 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://www.examiner.com/a-276006~Missing_U_S__Officer_Arrives_in_Germany.html
A massive search involving Kyrgyz and U.S. investigators came up empty until late Friday, when police said Metzger knocked on the door of a house in ** Kant **, about 22 miles from the capital, and said she had been abducted.
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/02/6D41C1F6-B727-4A74-8007-D912376519F8.html
Kyrgyzstan: Russian, U.S. Military Bases On Opposite Tracks
The future of the two foreign military bases in Kyrgyzstan became clearer this week. During a visit by a Russian delegation, a military official said the Russian base at ** Kant ** will be there "forever." Meanwhile, Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiev was quoted by a Russian newspaper on 15 February as saying the U.S.-led coalition can remain at the Manas base as long as there are still security problems in Afghanistan, and as long as the United States agrees to pay 100 times more than it has been asked to previously.
(Until recently, US have been paying 1 million dollar per year to rent Manas airport for military base. Actually, this a peanuts, as anyone understands.
Russian and Kazakhstani tourists bring to country much more money than that during the tourist season. Any stories about kidnapping of foreigner in Kyrgyzstan will ward off tourists from there.
And Jill metzger's false statements will seriously damage tourism business. Naturally, we do not want an undeserved terrorist state image and sour our relations with Russia and Kazakhstan and other neighboring states. Our economy depends on their oil, tourists.
)
196. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 12:31 AM |
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197. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 1:10 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/09/21ed910b-483a-47b4-80d4-970985815349.html
Taken To Kant?
The Kyrgyz information agency 24.kg is reporting that Metzger unexpectedly appeared at the home of Svetlana Ivashchenko, a resident of the town of Kant, some 40 kilometers from Bishkek, at around 11 p.m. on September 8. Ivashchenko, unable to understand what the English-speaking foreigner wanted, called police who arrived and quickly understood this was the missing U.S. servicewoman.
Police then informed the U.S. Embassy and the U.S. base at Manas Airport that the missing servicewoman was alive and well.
U.S. military spokeswoman Carpenter told RFE/RL's Kyrgyz Service that the U.S. military thanked all those involved in the search for Metzger.
"We are delighted to have Jill back with us," Carpenter said. "I want to praise the Kyrgyz government, Bishkek law enforcement officials, and the cooperation of the U.S. Embassy team for a rapid and thorough investigation resulting in the successful recovery of Major Metzger."
Questions Remain
Many questions still remain about Metzger's disappearance. 24.kg reports, citing sources in the Interior Ministry, that Metzger says she was shopping when two women approached her and asked, in English, for help.
According to 24.kg, Metzger left the shopping center with the two women and then was forced into a minivan and taken to a rural area some 50 kilometers away from Bishkek, near the town of Kant.
Kant is the location of a Russian-led CIS antiterrorism base. 24.kg reports Metzger told Interior Ministry investigators that she does not remember much of what happened after she left the Bishkek shopping center.
It is also unclear how she managed to escape.
197. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 1:10 AM |
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198. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 1:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
(TSUM is a notories place for GYPSIES scamming people)
Gypsy Hypnosis used against Jill Metzger?
Kemilbek Kiyazov, chief of the Chuysk regional police department, said, "Her first testimony was that when she split up with her group in the department store, someone put a hard object and a note saying it was an explosive in a back pocket of her jeans.
"In the note there were also detailed instructions about where to go and what to do. Metzger says it was as if she were in a trance and fulfilling someone else's wishes."
Kiyazov said the major reported that she was met by three men and a woman who put her into a vehicle, took her to a house and placed her in a dark room. He quoted her as saying she managed to escape after an abductor brought her food and she struck him.
Kiyazov, who said he personally talked with Metzger, told AP that her blondish hair had been dyed dark brown and her hands were stained with dye. He said it would be necessary to question her again to get more details, "but Metzger said she really wanted to get a good sleep."
198. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 1:16 AM |
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199. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 1:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Or was it an alien abduction?
The thing I cannot comprehend that Jill refused to cooperate local police to give details about her abductors. She took a taxi to Surgery Clinic, acorrdingly to taxi driver's testament. Security cameras picked her up taking a taxi, and deliberately separating her from ger group at TSUM. Her photo was placed on national television, and eyewitnesses told to police seeing at payphone making a call to someone.
She is claiming that she was in trance and cannot remember anything. Several days after, she's found near Russian military base with her hair changed color. She does not remember who kidnapped her. She is not willing cooperate local police.
Was it an alien abduction, gypsy kypnosis, psychiatric disorder?
The latter might be the case!
I remember a case of one guy, who was a latent schizophrenic. He had a top marks at university, was a brilliant student, accomplished guy, but one day, he disappeared. Police was searching him all over the places.
One day he was found, totally insane, in the woods. He tried ty bite policeman. Police asked one of my mates to calm him. But he was totally nuts. Police restrained him, and shipped him back home, to Armenia. And this case went totally confidential. No information leaked to local papers. Local journalists were informed that the guy just got lost in unfamiliar place.
199. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 1:39 AM |
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200. Posted by Been There | September 11, 2006 2:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba Kyrgyz...
Y kak, haresho? Drasde,
You are doing a great job.. any information that can be gotten from the Surgical Clinic would be great.
I am sure that the police will be asking questions of the staff..
Spasibo.
200. Posted by Been There | September 11, 2006 2:16 AM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 02:16
201. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 3:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Also, for all of you who felt the need to gratuitously 'illuminate' us with the 'other side' of Jill, you be your own judge. I'm convinced that most of us think Jill's private life is no one else business.
Posted by: Fukuro at September 8, 2006 10:10 PM "
This is not her private business anymore, Fukuro. She has greatly damaged the image of my country. We are being labelled as an terrorist state all over the world. Look at the CNN, BBC, NY Times, Reuters, etc. headlines.
Our economic situation is in miserable shape because of failed IMF and World Bank reforms.
All our plant and factories were destroyed by IMF reforms. Our economy needs a support.
This year, Kyrgyzstan had a first time success in attracting tourists. The Russian top officials from Moscow visited Issyk-Kul lake. Back home, they praised our lake, suggesting Russians to make a trip to Kyrgyzstan instead of Turkey, Spain and other tourist destinations.
This summer, for the first time since indepenendence from USSR, Kyrgyzstan was crowded with Russian and Kazakh touriststs spending their cash in Kyrgyzstan. That cash will be spent to sustain our country, to buy an oil, gas, machinery from Russia and Kazakhstan.
And right now, when things started slowly improving in Kyrgyzstan, it is all again shattered to splinters with western media picturing us a terrorist state.
Should this be happening just of some incoherent female, who is not accountable for her actions?
201. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 3:23 AM |
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202. Posted by Jodi | September 11, 2006 6:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Based on the story she told officials, I believe she staged her own “abduction.”
Here’s the part that caused me to wonder:
She was last seen Tuesday at a department store in Kyrgyzstan’s capital. A government official says she’s told investigators she was kidnapped. The account says somebody put a purported bomb in her back pocket along with a note of instructions to go to a place where three men and a woman put her in a van and drove her to a residence. She says she escaped from a dark room by overpowering an abductor who brought her food.
By the way, for those who have been to Bishkek, the “department store” was the fixture know as the Tsum (or however it is Romanized). I have been there many times, myself.
Anyway, here is what I found not right about this account:
1) If, while she was in a very public place, someone put a “bomb” in her pocket with instructions to go somewhere and do something, why on earth would she obey? Why not just report it to security or something? Why leave the store, perhaps the safest place you could be in such a situation, and willingly go to meet some strangers? The Tsum is not in the middle of nowhere and as I recall, there were always lots of people inside, especially foreigners as it was the place to go to buy traditional handicrafts among the city’s ex-pat community. Surely she could have found someone there to help her with this.
Although separated, her Air Force colleagues were all in other parts of the department store from what I can gather so she certainly was not alone.
Also, as a U.S. Air Force officer, aren’t these people trained in regards to how to respond to weird things like this? Surely they must be and I would assume this training does not include willingly following such instructions.
2) Before she was found, she was apparently caught on Tsum video cameras. Surely the cameras must have caught this mysterious person placing a “bomb” in her jeans’ back pocket…
3) This report says that when Metzger was found, her blond hair had been dyed brown and she had dark dye stains on her hands. Now granted, I suppose there are ways for someone to be forced to dye their own hair or have their hair dyed against their will and when running their hands through the new ‘do come away with a darker skin tone, but isn’t that a long stretch?
It sounds to me that for whatever reason, Metzger did not want to be found or recognized (until she “escaped”).
Here are some other things about her that suggest she is a well-liked person who had lots of things going for her:
Before her disappearance, Metzger had been scheduled to head to Dayton, Ohio, for the annual United States Air Force Marathon. She has twice won the women’s division of the event.
A week later, she was to travel with her husband to Jamaica for a belated 10-day honeymoon.
She clearly has had her moments in the spotlight but what if, while in Kyrgyzstan, she felt she was not receiving the kind of attention she was used to enjoying? What if she was having second thoughts about her new marriage? What if she believed an “abduction” would either be a great way to escape whatever it was awaiting her back in the States or else bring more attention to herself even if it was not in the way she was used to receiving it?
Yes, I may be acting quite “insensitive” here but believe it or not, somthing just like this happened in Wisconsin last year when a university student staged her own abduction as a result of not enjoying the same spotlight celebrity status in college that she had in high school.
Don’t take this as a case of me being a fan of Wikipedia because I am learning not to trust it (despite previously over-relying on it in the past), and please don’t misinterpret me in that I’m trying to make this odd case racial because I’m not, but when looking for Audrey Seiler links to include in this post, I came across a description of “Missing white woman syndrome” and wondered if Officer Metzger is not, perhaps, a victim of this media disease. (And a woman who like Seiler, might have some issues with attention.)
While some may not consider her “pretty” compared to the valley girl of Seiler, she certainly sounds like a model person.
Maybe I’m wrong about this all but the details she gave certainly don’t present a strong case for her abduction. Her story failed to convince this reader at least, but I’ll add that I’m glad she has been found alive and well.
I certainly will be following this story to see what turns up…
202. Posted by Jodi | September 11, 2006 6:37 AM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 06:37
203. Posted by Deb C. | September 11, 2006 7:21 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There is something not right with Jill's story. Too much silence right now.
Bombs do not get placed in someone's jean pocket with instructions. Any normal human being would certainly have turned to push someone away from placing a bomb device in their own pocket. It is a normal human reaction.
I anxiously await the "truth" to this STORY....
203. Posted by Deb C. | September 11, 2006 7:21 AM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 07:21
204. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 7:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pls. check out this web site:
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2969900/detail.html
Police Cite 'Continuing Inconsistencies' With
Wis. Coed's Abduction Stories
Police in Madison said Friday that Audrey Seiler's story of being abducted doesn't add up and they don't believe there is an abductor at large. Seiler was found Wednesday -- two days after her strange disappearance at 2:30 a.m. Saturday -- in a marsh about 2 miles from where she lives. Wray said that during the investigation, inconsistencies arose between Seiler's account, witnesses' accounts and evidence obtained by police, who then confronted the UW sophomore. Wray listed several "inconsistencies." First, he said, two witnesses told investigators they saw Seiler walking freely during the time she told police she was confined by an abductor.
DOES THIS RING A BELL?
Very similar story to Jill's.
Kuba Kyrgyz
204. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 7:50 AM |
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205. Posted by cgb | September 11, 2006 8:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, I like movies. Sometimes I like the really good ones, with lots of crazy plot twists that totally defy explanation and seem to implicate a deep conspiracy in the world. Those are fun.
What if Metzger was a provocateur, a US agent in on the scam, who was part of a staged kidnapping on the part of the US to embarass Kyrgyzstan? Earlier this year the Kyrgyz govt. renegotiated the Manas airbase lease for an undisclosed price, and then passed some laws preventing NGOs from working in the country. The subtext is that the US State Dept said most of the Manas rent would come in the form of NGO money, but NGOs in the FSU in the past 15 years have been running around setting up political parties that challenge the ruling elite.
So the motivations are such that: (1) The US will try to undermine the Kyrgyz politicians who asked for more money, and in doing so will stage a spectacular news event to introduce the concept of instability and even danger in Kyrgyzstan. (2) The Kyrgyz are following instructions from Russian secret services, historical allies and colleagues, who are fearful of a US military base so deep inside traditionally Soviet territory. And (3) Metzger and a deep cadre of authorized co-conspirators stage the whole thing and then use whatever SOFA agreement they have to get her out of the country before a local interview can take place.
I call this movie: "The WizBang Files"
205. Posted by cgb | September 11, 2006 8:58 AM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 08:58
206. Posted by Jack | September 11, 2006 9:01 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Where is Jill?
206. Posted by Jack | September 11, 2006 9:01 AM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 09:01
207. Posted by John Bambenek | September 11, 2006 9:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I know it's not quite the blogger death swarm fever swamp way, but maybe, just maybe, we can wait for a little facts. Particularly us military types that do put our ass on the line for the whole innocent until guilty thing.
207. Posted by John Bambenek | September 11, 2006 9:03 AM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 09:03
208. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 9:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now that Jill's been found, we can think of more hilarious side of it!!!
(I have a gut feeling that this is the perfect plot for the new Hollywood movie with psychics, aliens involved, and Kyrgyz bride-napping included!!!
Jill Metzger could be starring herself. I can play the role of ruthless Kyrgyz bride-napper.
1. The ruthess Kyrgyz bride-napper hires a Gypsy psychic near a shopping mall to hypnotize the pretty blonde American girl in the shopping mall in the Bishkek.
[StarWar music starts playing in the background.With the following text scrolling through screen]
Ancient Himalayan Legends say, that one day, out of Himalayan Mountains, the Destiny Child would be born of mixed race. The Destiny Child would hold supernatural powers to shift geopolitical balance into the hand of Kyrgyz people.
2. Jill Metzger is put into trance; she walks out of shopping mall in somnambular state, whispering some bizarre Kyrgyz words.
3. Only blonde virgin in athletic form can give a birth to the Destiny Child. But the Blonde should be converted to brunette, as Legend’s Scriptures say. Her hair is immediately died dark brown to make her look more like Kyrgyz. But she has to be also a virgin.
Well, to his dismay, Kyrgyz guy finds out she's not. He has to release her in outskirts of Kant town in somnambular state.
4. She’s found by police, news reached the ears of her delighted friends and family.
5. But virgin blondes, shopping in Bishkek TSUM shopping mall, beware!!!
)
Jill Metzger made it to Wikipedia!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Metzger
Major Jill Metzger is a United States Air Force officer and is assigned to the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing that has been deployed since 2001 to Manas Air Base in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan to support operations in Afghanistan.
On September 4, 2006, after shopping in a mall in Bishkek to buy souvenirs for her family, she failed to return to Manas Air Base and was listed as missing.
Four days later, a telephoned tip led police to discover Jill Metzger walking in a disoriented manner near a police station with her hair cut and dyed. It is unclear if she had been abducted or if she had been held against her will; however, Metzger claimed that she had been kidnapped by 3 men and a woman who had held her against her will for the past four days.
208. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 9:19 AM |
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209. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 10:07 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now Jill's been found, we can party and read joyful websites:
Hilarious caricature (Central Asians do have sense of humor):
http://www.kub.kz/forum.htm
Episode I - Bush of the World
Atlantida, the end of 2000 B.B. (Before Bush), throne-room of Capitol Congress Palace, Newly erected King Geoshua the Busher II from Busher dynasty is proudly sitting on the throne, observing kneeled people from Administration of the Whitestone House
- Oh, greatest and thoughtful of the mortals, thunderbolt for unfaithful, defender of miserable, praise to you and to Floridian governors that weighted, weighted and calculated for you! For unaccountable shall be the holes voting for you! Long live for descendants of Busher dynasty!
- Let God praises all you too, my affiliates! Shall your daughters blossom and give birth to millions everlastingly, Green!
- We all are at your disposal, direct us! What should we do with fallen Albertuno Huronian and his lord Clintinimon Lewinsky? Styx them? Or send everlasting hemorrhoid with sodomizing effect?
- Let them live, my power is too great to crack peanuts with their thoughts’ heretical, wash his stains off, give him shepherd clothes and pastoral pipe and exile after all. Let him sing his Monikinean song. This will teach the profligate to admit truth in asceticism.
- Yet his wife in possession of power, wishes to take votes in supreme suburb, what should we do with her?
- Let her possess, rational and logical her deeds, tempers she heretical thoughts. As for that Monikinean hetera, give her to our public criers for exposure, order them to hunt her down forever…
- But sir, - whispered his privy council, Joshua Tennetean, - she is devoted messenger of ours, she done the blow job alright? We only offered her discount to live the rest of life in diamonds?
- You idiot, - silently Busher replied – for protocols I said indeed, give her a pension, medical insurance and order media to pump a Green!
- Yess, sir, but will it better to force her meet a realm of shadows?
- Idiot again, what plebs will think of it? Don’t bother, council, laugh will meet her words, no one would give a peace of shit for true. For if she spells our names in public, arrange a climax or send a death because of fatness…you know, you always get so many clues - Busher loudly appealed to audience:
- So, dear chosen ones, besides my brother Busher Floridian, we need to praise the deeds of father, Busher the First, many years to him and our country! Let Atlantida rules the World! A pillar of the humankind, colossus of the Earth and Themis across barbarians. We are to shudder the world in our pious intentions; bring our will to human kind; proclaim Thirteen Apostles’ Declaration to savage brothers of the World! For all time, Green!
- Green, green, green! In Green We Trust!
Episode II The Last Supper
Oval cabinet of the Whitestone Palace: Busher I and Busher II, Chief Vizier – Dick Cheneyan, Privy Council - Joshua Tennetean, Military Unit - Don Ramshteinfeld, IQ Advisor – Columbina Right
- My dear friends, we well performed “corps de ballet” – dully smiled Busher the Second, didn’t we my gorgeous father? – his face at words was outlined by savage cowboy smile at most
- Sonny, you looking far beyond your mind!
- Indeed my dear daddy, in contrary to you I’ll try to reach that sacred mines Saddam the worst creature owns
- Be careful sonny, I had that time all bets jack-potted, I knew all politicians by name, who is responsible for China, who is at throne in Hindu country, at least I even know my name in Aramaic (Note: BuSharon). Do you indeed feel so confidently about seeds you plan to sow?
- Don’t worry father, for what I need to know such data? I have my Columbina Right, here?
- Yess Sir! – replied Columbina
- Yassir? I thought he was somewhere in China from lessons taught some days ago?
- No sir, I am just at your disposal now…Dick also here to cover mind by facts & data, Don waiting for red button order, while Privy Council hides behind that secret door…that Billy used for relaxations…
- So, father, you see I’ve got all guns reloaded now, I also tend not complicate, we will divide the earth an axes: the evil, good, and “none to lose”, subdue the first ones till knockout, promise a money to the middles, and cock a snook to latter ones…it’s simple, father, like peace of cake to do…
- Oh! o dear! I am too old to play rodeo with foreign policy so much. Remember just one thing at last –whatever you do you must a nephrite supply give to us, provide the light, and green forever, for all time, Green! In Green We Trust!
- I do! I do! I do! Green Light for Deeds of Great Atlants!!! (chorus)
- So, what should we start from things to do?
- I have some cryptographic writings – replied Privy Council softly – it seems we came to last resort, achieved level of game over, civilization on the verge. To keep our culture from removal we need to seize a power over minds. Set rules and edicts, norms of justice, spread Altant values, faith across the world.
- Without nephrite it’s problematic – Busher the Second grunted loudly – I guess we need to be think-tankers to solve a problem from one short…
- Two shots – mysteriously whispered Joshua and added loudly – Thank God we now alone indeed. Our mighty enemy is lying down while remnants of the Red Empire still weak and suffer from the cleptocracy. But there is another danger, our beauty Europe’s rising. Though they are named friends of ours, we can’t relax, should closely watch them, unless they take all nephrite mines.
- By the way, another point is Celestial empire
- What is Celestial, Columbina? Who is their leader?
- It’s China, sir, and Hu is their new leader.
- That's what I want to know.
- That's what I'm telling you.
- That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?
- Yes.
- I mean the fellow's name.
- Sonny, stop junk our brains, spell H for Human, U for Universe and you’ll receive a name of China’s lord!
- I see my dad, but Human Universe is not a name applied to a persons, it’s rather name of great Atlant Empire!
- Don’t mind, gentlemen, Right, please continue.
- China is huge, big country with people over billion at the nests. A dangerous and great opponent looking at the space…
- Then who is Mr. Putineus, Columbina?
- The head of big northern country that recently collapsed for a while; he is smart, with keen on a cryptography, and willing to restore Empire…
- Oh, God, shall we again hide in the bunkers from missiles at every Russian solder’s sneeze? Damn them, I see I hurried up with Clintinimon’s exile we should have finished him. He left us three biggest challenges so far…modest Europe, Celestial Empire pretending for a Human Universe and unsettled scores with oldest rival…
- Four, sir, - Joshua replied – we have another one. Europe as rich and glorious as Atlantida, though weaker because of lost ambitions to rule the Earth. Past bloody centuries were good enough. China just starts driving. The dead empire too weak to point it seriously. None of them is dangerous for us at current time. The fourth damn element are religious rivals that possess a horde of nephrite mines and trying overtake control.
- Suppress, destroy and capture!!!
- Don’t hurry up, my dear son, we have a League of Nation as a guide. War and Peace affairs ruler. The world’s last resort of notions. We can’t oppose those Coffee shoppers.
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end of part one
to be continued
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209. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 10:07 AM |
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210. Posted by cgb | September 11, 2006 10:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
uhh...you need to stay out of the Tup Valley my friend...too much kosyak...
210. Posted by cgb | September 11, 2006 10:12 AM |
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211. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 10:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Common, CGB. We all have been tense, following Jill's story, and now time to party!!! Fireworks, champagne and loads of Tup valley anasha!!!
211. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 11, 2006 10:45 AM |
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212. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 11, 2006 11:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba:
Thank you for explaining why Jill's personal life has now become public and is relevant in showing patterns of narcissistic behavior; her private life might have been the motivation for her current situation.
For those of you that think I used this opportunity as revenge - trust me, I could have gotten my revenge on Jill a LONG time ago, I had proof in the form of letters from Jill herself. That was not the point, and it still is not. My story was not to be interpreted as “poor me” – in fact, anyone who knows me would attest that I consider myself EXTREMELY lucky and much better off. I am sorry if my motivation was misinterpreted as anything other than another testimony of Jill’s character – albeit negative.
Anyway, no need to revamp as it seems people would have already drawn parallels between Jill, Seiler and the runaway bride without the need of my testimony of Jill’s past questionable psychosis for attention. I trust the military investigators will be as (or more)competent as the Wisconsin investigators whom caught Seiler in her facade. If Jill in fact lied about her “kidnapping”, I will trust our government to take the necessary steps to ameliorate any damage done to our relationship with Kyrgyzstan.
True, U.S. citizens are innocent until proven guilty, and we should let the investigation run its course. However, posting opinions is the point of a blog, and we are not hindering or influencing any investigation by posting here. Obviously, since this event took place in a foreign country and Jill has accused her disappearance on local abductors, anyone has to expect passionate responses from bloggers – especially those familiar with Kyrgyzstan.
Does anyone recall the story of Susan Smith in South Carolina? She accused an unidentified African American of kidnapping her children and stealing her car. I was living in Sumter, S.C. at the time (stationed at Shaw) and know first-hand what tension can arise from false accusations. To Kuba and Jodi, thank you for researching and educating – especially on the local area of Kyrgyzstan.
If, by any chance, Jill’s story is proven factual, I will apologize for assuming her guilty on this board. I will not, however, apologize for giving an example of her mental instability – just as I do not expect the posters whom vouched for her to apologize if her story is proven false.
212. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 11, 2006 11:00 AM |
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213. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 11:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy Civilian: I'm with you all the way. Had some fun yesterday with friends trying to defend my opinion! At this point, there is nothing to defend, an opinion or thought is just that, an opinion or thought givne this blog was opened to share in "Where is Jill Metzger". I came on here in the first place out of curiosity as the story peaked my interest.....yes, someone's character and mental stability play a vital role in their actions. I agree, if any part of this story is true, she is one lucky girl for escaping, but the bomb in the pocket in a busy department store leaves me well, doubtful....
213. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 11:16 AM |
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214. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 11:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba K: Cheers to you!
214. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 11:18 AM |
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215. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 12:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy Civilian,
If you feel Jill's personal past is so pertinent to this investigation then why are you posting about it on some random blog and not contacting the authorities?
Baffled
215. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 12:22 PM |
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216. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 12:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
DebG,
I thought you were done here?
Baffled
216. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 12:22 PM |
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217. Posted by Been There | September 11, 2006 12:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
HELLO PEOPLE....
I will continue to come here from time to time to see how the battle is going.
Unfortunately, now that Madam Major is in the hands of the US Military, it is highly unlikely (Impossible) that we will ever know what happened during those few days in which Madam Major caught the attention of the world. She has been removed from the scene of the 'crime' and as a result, the Kyrgyz authorities will not be able to conduct their investigation. Still, I hope that they will continue without her so that we may come closer to understanding what happened.
Lucky for us, Kyrgyz laws don't have a "Privacy Act" and if they are able to secure any medical evidence of what may have transpired at the "Surgical Center", I am sure that we will know about it.
In the meantime, I want to personally thank Kuba Kyrgyz for all his input. I hope that he will be able to contribute more concerning what is developing in the news from the Kyrgyz Republic.
As for the rest... Take it easy.
217. Posted by Been There | September 11, 2006 12:45 PM |
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218. Posted by RS | September 11, 2006 12:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baffled,
I'm baffled with your comments. Happy Civilian already said that she had given info to the authorities when her ex was going for a security clearance. I’m sure that from that info there is something on Jill’s file. I too think that somebody’s past info can give light on present actions. While that is not always the case, it could be a factor. Random blog? I don’t think so….its a blog about Jill, and anyone can post their opinion or give info on Jill (good and bad).
I still think this whole thing is fishy and thank all who have given information on Kysrgyzstan. As an American, and Airman I am worried of the repercussions this case could bring if in fact Jill staged her abduction. I really hope this is not the case for everyone’s sake.
218. Posted by RS | September 11, 2006 12:49 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 12:49
219. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS,
I guess since the alleged incident reported by Happy took place in 2002 and she felt is was so relevant four years later, then she would go ahead and report it now to be sure it was known and not having to be dug around for... By random blog, I just meant that a blog isn't really going to ensure "her story" gets into the appropriate hands. After all, it is just a blog. At no time did I write that Happy or anyone couldn't voice their opinion about Jill, so please don't get on the defensive. And, just my humble opinion, but I think it is best to air dirty laundry in a place such as this when the person is actually present to defend themselves. Happy could have reported the incident to the appropriate authorities...the need to know folks...and saved the blog report for when Jill can tell her side of the story.
219. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 2:29 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 14:29
220. Posted by Just A Girl | September 11, 2006 2:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kyrgyz Police: Metzger's Testimony In Disappearance Confused
POSTED: 11:42 am EDT September 11, 2006
BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan -- A Kyrgyz police official said Monday that a servicewoman from North Carolina who reappeared in mysterious circumstances after going missing for three days gave confused accounts of her absence and refused further statements after consulting with the U.S. Embassy.
Air Force Maj. Jill Metzger, who had been stationed at the U.S. base outside the Kyrgyz capital Bishkek, disappeared last Tuesday while taking part in a military shopping excursion in the city. She resurfaced Friday night when she knocked on the door of a house in Kant, about 25 kilometers (15 miles) outside Bishkek, and claimed she had been kidnapped.
Metzger, who was raised in Henderson, N.C., was flown out of Kyrgyzstan within a few hours of her reappearance and on Sunday was admitted to a U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany. There was no immediate word on what she was being treated for or how long she would remain in hospital; officials had previously said she did not appear to have suffered serious injury during her disappearance.
Kyrgyz authorities have said her swift departure from the country could impede the investigation, because they wanted to question her further to clarify her account. According to investigators, Metzger said an object with a note saying it was a bomb was placed in her pocket in a Bishkek department store and that she was kidnapped after following the note's instructions on where to go.
"It seemed to me that her testimony was little believable; she was confused in her evidence," Batmirza Dzhailobayev, head of the Kant police department, told The Associated Press on Monday.
"After she spoke with somebody from the embassy, she categorically refused to give testimony. Then people from the U.S. Embassy took her away," he said.
Dzhailobayev noted that although Metzger had told police that her abductors had stolen her necklace, she was still wearing an expensive-appearing wedding ring.
Also Monday, a resident of the house where Metzger appeared said that the 33-year-old major was clearly in distress.
"Our first impression was that the woman was severely drunk ... (but) there was no smell of alcohol and we then understood that she was in shock," Svetlana Ivashenko told The AP. She said that Metzger was dressed in clothes that appeared to be several sizes too large for her.
Ivashenko said Metzger was speaking only in English, which neither she nor her husband understand, so they awoke their daughter to try to help understand.
"Who had seized her, why and where they had held her all this time, she couldn't clarify," Ivashenko said. "As she told all this, she didn't weep _ she just sobbed and held her head."
Ivashenko said there was blood on Metzger's feet and that she said she had walked a considerable distance. She also said the right side of Metzger's face appeared to be badly bruised, although Dzhailobayev said "it was my impression that there were no bruises on her face."
220. Posted by Just A Girl | September 11, 2006 2:33 PM |
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221. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 2:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is just as confusing as the fun we had yesterday!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060911/ap_on_re_eu/kyrgyzstan_missing_major
the games we play.....
Not sure why you folks give a hard time to happy civilian. She gave info. regarding a past situation - on a blog, she is allowed. Anyone can say or do just about anything on these blog sites....Why do you think the personal life of celebrities, politicians, presidents, military folks come out in the open??? Because it IS, in fact, relavant to ultimate actions. You don't think agencies or anyone just takes the good part of someone's past or life and uses that to build a case, puzzle or scenario do you?? Of course not, they dig into their MENTAL PROFILES and capabilities and past situations in order to piece together what someone might be made of and in search of reasons WHY THEY DO THINGS THEY DO WHICH SEEM IRRATIONAL AND WELL, NOT NORMAL....
221. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 2:42 PM |
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222. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 2:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
When people go to blogs and web sites and post commnets, thoughts and opinions, the people they post about are normally NOT AROUND. Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes and Brad Pitt are not in blogs and sites to defend themselves, nor is the President in those sites defending himself and so on and so on and so on....People talk and say things and do things - let them talk and give ideas, opinions, theories and scenarios....Come on folks, it's not really harming anyone on here nor is it harming Jill Metzger just typing words away on a site like this given the strong media attention this is getting and the complexity and strangeness of it all...it is just life that people jump on board with their own thoughts, let it go.....
I came back to the board to find any new theories or information, I really don't care what anyone posts back to me, it is easy to sit behind a computer and say things to posters about their thoughts and opinions, kind of like THE NEED TO HAVE CONTROL over someone's thoughts, let it go....
222. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 2:57 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 14:57
223. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 3:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Again and again, I am just saying that since this info seems to be so relavant, in your opinion, then why not report it to people who can use this information in their investigation. Why just here on a blog?
Since all of the news report seem to conflict, it is hard to believe anything...some say a bomb, others say a she was approached by two women for help, her head was shave, her hair was cut, found on the road, found at a house. What can we really do other than just give the gal the benefit of the doubt right now? We can't possibly be getting a straight story at this point. Just seems the American kind of thing to do...innocent until proven guilty...kind of why we are over in these countires to begin with...?
223. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 3:00 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 15:00
224. Posted by JM | September 11, 2006 3:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Okay, I must admit I've been a lurker and I must admit in the beginning I was inclined to give Deb G the benefit of the doubt with her theories (and still don't think we've heard the end of this)but may I suggest we change the name of this thread from where is Jill Metzger to Who is Deb G? Other than secret squrrel Army officer/triathlete/barbecue chef/patriotic all American. Please please please, for the love of God Deb, your hole is deep enough, stop digging.
224. Posted by JM | September 11, 2006 3:08 PM |
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225. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 3:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I agree we need to give her the benefit of the doubt and we should. The media can report some twisted versions of reality and the real truths. Also, the Kryg gov. might want to cover themselves as well. Depending on who is being asked, the story can get relayed differently. I just feel there is something more as nothing is really being said. Normally, information is given out rather quickly in regards to a happy and genuine homecoming, and yes, the story does sound beyond strange so it is normal for folks to make up "Abducted by Alien" stories.....Gosh, the folks here at work, on a military installation at Fort Bragg no less, have made up some amazing stories about this, humerous and so on and yes, they are fellow military officers here doing this...it just happens.....there are officers who would never bash another's character and there are officers out there right now who are going to make up some rather twisted and scarcastic theories and thoughts.....
I will pray for her regardless. If she was abducted the the girl needs some extra TLC and loving family and husband around her. If she was not, then she still needs the same TLC, loving family, friends and husband behind her to help her with any possible reasons she might have done this to herself.....who really knows right now except Jill herself......
225. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 3:08 PM |
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226. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 3:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JM: My friend. I am in no hole. Are you kidding? This is a blog area. I don't know you folks and I don't care what you say in return about my character. Just shows the character of those bashing myself and anyone on here. I have no ill will toward Jill at all. None. Hole? That is insanity - whose hole??? I have a good life and this blog is a curiosity to me and means nothing else. It does not change my life, my thoughts, my opinions, anything I do this minute or the next. I am on here as most people come to search for info. on a media story. Nothing else...I agree: Let's change this to WHO IS DEB G.??? Had some fun yesterday, has nothing to do with a hole or instability or multiple personality. Get real folks - your comments about me (not sure why it continues) have nothing to do with anything.........
226. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 3:12 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 15:12
227. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 3:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thanks DebG! It is all I am really asking of anyone on here...certainly feel free to post possible theories, thoughts, etc but in the end, hope for the very best for a fellow human being and American citizen who at the very least up until now has been serving our country for 10 or more years! And as someone already mentioned, is someone's daughter, wife, sister, friend, and colleague.
227. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 3:14 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 15:14
228. Posted by Brad G | September 11, 2006 3:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I doubt if Bill Robertson is still reading this blog - but please email Mrs P at school! I have been wondering where you disappeared to!
Brad
228. Posted by Brad G | September 11, 2006 3:26 PM |
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229. Posted by Escape Artist | September 11, 2006 4:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WHOA!!!
I just woke up!! I was out getting a BK Whopper Burger, when someone put this Whopper in my back pocket. I felt something warm back there, I went to check it and there was a note attached to it.
When I started reading the note, I fell into a trance. I walked out of BurgerKing, with the burger still in my pocket, got a taxi, and ended up in Kansas.
For the last 3 days, I've been held captive in a dark room. They took my wallet and money, but left my 2 carat ring on my hand. They also made me dye my hair.. it was black, now it's red.
Anyway, one of my kidnappers came in to feed me, in the dark room, I remembered that I still had the Whopper in my pocket, so I took it out and stabbed him with it.
I'm lucky to have escaped with only this note in my pocket...
"Take me to you leader" Make a right, then a left, then go straight, then make 3 rights, back up 2 steps, and pay the taxi.
Don't try anything funny, smart, or to escape.. your mind is under our control!!"
229. Posted by Escape Artist | September 11, 2006 4:24 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 16:24
230. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 4:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This thread is hysterical!
I love the "I know jill" defense!
Drink a tall glass of cold water to calm down, sit quietly for two minutes and listen to the sad, desperate story she's making up, and you'll know it; It's all lies!
230. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 4:49 PM |
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231. Posted by wake up people | September 11, 2006 6:16 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
But I know Jill, and there's no way she could do this. No way. Therefore, it must have been an abduction. Even if her sad, confusing, ill-constructed story doesn't make any sense. I'm covering my ears now. La-La-La-La-La I can't hear you La-La-La-La-La I know Jill she's an officer and therefore incapable of doing anything like this La-La-La-La-La she's serving our country and so we should automatically give her the benefit of the doubt La-La-La-La-La.
Come on, you guys are supposed to be smarter than that.
231. Posted by wake up people | September 11, 2006 6:16 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 18:16
232. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 6:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wake up people,
Are you from the United States? In this country people are actually given the benefit of the doubt...aka...innocent until proven guilty. We do this for all people...whether or not they are officers, whether or not they have committed a crime in their past, whether or not they slept with someone's boyfriend four years ago, and whether or not you give a shit.
232. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 6:55 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 18:55
233. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 7:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey Baffled:
Where in the Constitution does it say "innocent until proven guilty."? I don't see it in the Costitution and I don't see it in the Bill of Rights. Instead of just parroting it, why don't you point out a law book where it says that.
Holding cells across the country are full of people who are being held without a trial, because they have been presumed to be guilty. That has gone on forever.
The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution reads, in part, "No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law ..." There's no such thing as "innocent until proven guilty."
No one's depriving Jill of the due process of the law. She can have her day in the court and be even found "not guilty." (Not "innocent" just "not guilty as charged.")
That doesn't keep us or anyone from calling her a liar. (Oh, that one is in the Bill of Rights and it's called the First Amendement.)
Zubin
233. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 7:12 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 19:12
234. Posted by wake up people | September 11, 2006 7:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baffled: Yes, I am an American. Yes, I am familiar with the tenet of "innocent until proven guilty." But guess what ... she's not on trial, and I'm not on the jury. I am a concerned citizen who can examine the (albeit limited) facts available and determine that most likely she is not telling the truth. And I have the freedom to do so, just as much as you have the freedom to ignore all the (albeit limited) evidence and state that she was most certainly abducted.
234. Posted by wake up people | September 11, 2006 7:32 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 19:32
235. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 7:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You can call Jill whatever you like...I have never once told anyone not to do so...if you re-read my post, I wrote that in my opinion, given the very conflicting new reports given on an hourly basis, we don't really know the facts so why not give her the benefit of the doubt.
I also don't recall citing the constitution at any point in time either...please refresh my memory if I did so...
But since you brought it up...
The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution reads, in part, "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law ..."
In simple terms, it means that constitutionally you cannot be executed, imprisoned, or fined without the proper course of justice taking place.
A fair trial by a jury of one's peers requires that the jurors approach the case with the thought that the prosecution is required to prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Since the trial begins with the prosecution not having introduced a single piece of evidence, it follows that a defendant must be innocent, until proven guilty.
So, the meaning of "..innocent until proven guilty..", while not written in the constitution, is derived from the fifth ammendment.
You may want to go back to about 8th grade history...:)
Again, I'm just not sure why anyone would not want to give a person the benefit of the doubt given the gross difference in the news reports. Every story I read says something different. I'll continue to presume her innocence until the facts are clear. And by that, I mean actual facts...not some random alleged fling she had with some dude in Germany in 2002...
235. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 7:43 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 19:43
236. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 7:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Where and when did I state that "she was most certainly not abducted"??
236. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 7:47 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 19:47
237. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 8:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baffled: I love your reasoning; You are totally contradicting yourself. You explain how the idea of "innocent until proven guilty"somehow "follows" out of the 5th Amendment into the court of law, and then ask us to give her the "benefit of the doubt" based on press reports, in a discussion that is going on in a public arena, having no impact whatsoever on her right to due process.
So is "benefit of the doubt" in a public arena a requirment, even if the concept "follows" out of the 5th amendment into the court of law? (Which it does not, in my opinion.)
Let me say this in case you don't get it:
**We are not in the court of law**
My calling her a liar is based on the her story which is utterly laughable. With each passing moment more and more details come out that make her to be a total liar on this event.
Say whatever you want, I give her another 48 hrs before her story totally falls apart.
Personally I couldn't care less whether she is an outstanding officer or a drunk or whatever else; None of that has anything to do with the fact that her story is hysterically stupid and this blog is full of people who are just eating it up.
237. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 8:06 PM |
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Posted on September 11, 2006 20:06
238. Posted by wake up people | September 11, 2006 8:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baffled, somehow this turned into a "you vs me" thing, and that was not my intention. You personally never said "she was most certainly not abducted." You merely said that she should be given the benefit of the doubt, which I initially did until the questions started piling up.
However, there were dozens of people who said things like "We know her. There is absolutely NO WAY that she would go AWOL. End of story!" My comments were directed toward these closed-minded people. I understand the basic human need to keep faith in our fellow humans; however, when doing so renders you incapable of objectively considering alternate possibilities, you cease to think critically.
Remember Craig Button? If not, google him. "There is no way he could do this," people said. Guess what? He did. And he was an Air Force officer. Just because you "know someone" or just because that someone is an Air Force officer doesn't mean that they will never do something odd or out-of-character. And once the questions start piling up, perhaps it's time to take a step back and at least consider that maybe that's exactly what happened.
238. Posted by wake up people | September 11, 2006 8:06 PM |
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239. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Escape Artist: LOL - that was pretty funny!!
239. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:12 PM |
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240. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 8:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baffled...
Allow me to 'turn on the light' for you.
Number ONE.. she is not a 'citizen' as you may interpret it. She is a member of the US Armed Forces, and as such falls under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
Number TWO.. She either commited, or was a victim of, a crime which took place on foreign soil.
Number THREE... When a member of the US Armed Forces commits, or is party to, a crime which takes place in a foreign country, that country has the right to prosecute the individual, if it is determined that he/she was a party to said crime.
Number FOUR.. If you... as a US Citizen, go to a foreign country, and there decide to commit a stupid criminal act, such as the one which "I BELIEVE" she committed, then you can holla' "innocent until proven guilty" - until your tonsils fall out... you will NOT be under the jurisdiction of the US legal system.. Talk to the people who are rotting away in some third world county prisions who haven't been afforded the "due process" and you will soon understand what I MEAN!
This little innocent idiot has implicated herself in a scheme which has all the makings of total stupidity.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to analyze the information which has been reported by the authorities of Bishkek, eyewitnesses, security cameras. and the MAJOR herself - and deduce, AT THE VERY LEAST - that this woman is mentally disadvantaged. But, even giving her that EXCUSE, does in no way vindicate her.
She has embarrassed the Government of the United States, the US Air Force, fellow citizens, co-workers, and 'whatever friends she may still have'. She has shed a VERY negative light upon the smallest of the former Soviet Union Republics with whom we have been cultivating a relationship.
I could go on with the economic impact this has had not only to the local government, citizens, but to the US Taxpayers. (Flying a friggin' plane from Bishkek, to some location, then from there to Landstuhl Germany is not a 10 minute taxi ride) It was flown to GET HER OUT OF THERE... before she could be interrogated by the police!!!
So, save it with this poor little Jill ... innocent until proven guilty... compassion and pity party of yours. I don't buy it!!!
My Grandson could have come up with a more plausible story than hers!!!!
240. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 8:15 PM |
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241. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Maybe she is a spy and the military took her away immediately for the "cover". Something went wrong during her visit, THEY (whoever they is) threatened her life if she spoke of them (whoever them is), died her hair to make it look like a bridenapping and then dumped her and made it clear they (whoever they is) would kill her and her family if she talked.....
Perhaps a Russian pilot from Kant......
Perhaps Aliens
Perhaps a jilted lover
Perhaps a Big Burger gone mad...
Perhaps she is telling the truth, eventually we MIGHT find out, but eventually, not everything is what it seems and they military and the media might come out TO TELL US OF THE TRUTH THAT HAPPENED, but in reality, it is NOT THE REAL TRUTH...again, things are not always what they seem to be.....mailmen are FBI agents, lawncare folks are CIA and the beat goes on.....
THE PERSON WHO KNOWS IS JILL METZGER.....
241. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:18 PM |
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242. Posted by Escape Artist | September 11, 2006 8:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
...........Deb G...........
You ever get one of those 'lucid' moments???? I ended up spewing coffee on the monitor after I read it prior to posting....
WAAAAhahahahaa.
Escape Artist ... aka Been There... aka WizBanger
242. Posted by Escape Artist | September 11, 2006 8:21 PM |
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243. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 8:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Zubin,
Have you actually heard HER story?
I have not. I have read news clips...very conflicting news clips. Conflicting news clips with VERY few, "Major Metzger said...blah, blah."
Therefore, I'll wait until some real facts are presented.
I guess the "innocent until proven guilty" statement is open to interpretation. I do realize it is a "court of law" term. However, I personally extend it to out of court judgements myself.
Wake up people: thanks for the clarification.
243. Posted by Baffled | September 11, 2006 8:24 PM |
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244. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wisbanger Poster: I love it - plausible deniability might be the MOST we will get out of this one....not accusing Jill of anything, just offering my opinion, but if someone put a bomb in my back pocket (if it fit in my jeans), I would certainly shove away any object or hand near me (especially given military combative training and/or JRTC training before deployment), following instructions to leave a mall WOULD BE THE LAST THING a normal military officer would do (or enlisted for that fact) or anyone...now, if she had a syringe stuck in her and was drugged to follow that note (I think I saw that in a Sci Fi movie once) then I might believe it more...
244. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:25 PM |
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245. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Escape Artist: You're pulling my tricks now!
Deb G. aka Carrie aka Karen and on and on....
just shows what people will believe....
For the Record: not pulling that tonight, just interested in others thoughts....I don't have anyone here with me either.....
On a lighter note: I enjoy all the insight and actually look at the stories to see what folks come up with....I have to admit, this is interesting....
245. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:30 PM |
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246. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
We should have a contest: Whomever comes up with the RIGHT theory and staging of this story gets FREE SODA (can't really write beer because I could get in trouble for that one!!! this can include the fact that she is telling the truth.
I wish we could all just post thoughts and opinions without others bashing those who are doing that - this is a blog isn't it??? Good, bad or indifferent, let others post their feelings about this situation. Come on now, you have to admit, the facts are a bit STRANGE....
246. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 8:37 PM |
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247. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 8:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm not totally up on which, if any, agreements the two countries have with regard to crimes commited in the country. But, even if one soldier beats up another soldier in a drunken brawl in downtown Bishkek, the "MPs" surely aren't coming out to break it up.
It would be left to local authorities to clean up and possibly prosecute, if they so wished... However, if they willingly hand them over to the local Military or American Embassy personnel, they have essentially given up the right to prosecute.
But, you're correct ... re: your previous post.... WE WILL NEVER "KNOW"..
There is one caveat.... I lived there for a couple of years and noticed that the lack of confidentiality, specific to medical issues, are not what they are here. In the US, you're not getting anything that is in the medical record of another person, unless you are able to steal it. PERIOD. Even in the Military MTFs... even if you are a persons commander.. you don't get it!!
Nevertheless, I wish I were there now. I'm sure that a little 'financial incentive' would produce whatever medical information I would want to get on anyone. That's if I can believe Kuba's previous post on her going to a Surgical Clinic... Which is still within the realm of my theory for her going AWOL..
Wizbanger... aka Been There... aka The Escape Artist. (Stabbed him with my Whopper???)
247. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 8:43 PM |
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248. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 8:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baffled:
Except for some word choices, there are almost no "conflicting" news stories. So I don't know what you are talking about.
She's been quoted and detailed consistently throughout, from what I can tell. If there's confusion, she's causing it by refusing to speak to the police and skipping out of the country.
Wizbanger has it right; A kid could do a better job of lying.
Shame on her! She's giving America and our armed forces a really bad name.
I'll see you in 48 hrs when she is the laughingstock of the entire world. I am willing to bet that not one shred of evidence will be found to support her moronic explantion. And perhaps much discovered to descredit it.
248. Posted by Zubin | September 11, 2006 8:44 PM |
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249. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
My general theory goes like this:
A.. This is her second deployment to Ganci. (can't understand that one).. She is involved with someone there and one thing leads to another. She gets the big "P".
B. The only MTF there consists of a tent in the middle of the post.. anything serious would be medevac to some other MTF (probably Landstuhl) That can be done with little to no problem. However, the big "P" would be a problem, because to go there for that would have 'official' ramifications ie: medical chart, diagnosis, hospitalization, etc..). If she were stationed in Germany, she could take a week leave and go to the local German place and back to work with no one ever knowing anything.
C. She really can't come home with the big 'P', because the agenda is packed, and it would be difficult to 'explain' her absence to the fam.
D. She can do it for next to nothing in Bishkek... ONLY PROBLEM... Time.. They aren't authorized "leave"... they get R/R outings.. but that's it! SO... desperate times call for desparate measures..
Everthing else is too much on the spooky side, and her just be a Personnel Type, she would have lacked the training for any covert kinda stuff.
BUT ... that's just me.. and I'm just here.. Nevertheless, I have lived there, I know the people, I think that they have a real tough life there, but I never felt 'threatened'... so.. given my experience with the locals, I came up with the big "P".
Wizbanger..
249. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:01 PM |
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250. Posted by mb | September 11, 2006 9:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Partially correct, WizBang Poster, on two items... First, the jurisdiction of a foreign gov't over a US military member is dictated by the status of forces agreement (SOFA) in effect with that particular country--not the same from country to country. Second, medical records within the military system are not as secure as what you think they may be. Given the right circumstances, military investigators can obtain medical with little difficulty. This info doesn't add much to the topic at hand--just an FYI.
250. Posted by mb | September 11, 2006 9:13 PM |
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251. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 9:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbanger: Excellent! and stating she still wanted to run that marathon upon her return would be a logical statment to hide what she had just done to herself physically. She wanted to "get a good sleep" instead of questioning. People kidnapped or experiencing stressful situations usually DO NOT SLEEP OR CANNOT SLEEP following their experience - sometimes for days, sometimes for months and sometimes for the rest of their lives.......
Waiver: please keep in mind that Jill Metzger was not harmed in the making of this theory, it is just a theory.....an opinion, a freedom of speach type of thing....
251. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 9:15 PM |
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252. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 9:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just adding some more insight: I had a tooth procedure done which put me at Womack Hospital with Kidney failure due to poisoning of my systemic system or sepsis. Guy in Germany died just two weeks earlier from similar situation. I lived and COULD NOT GET MY MEDICAL RECORDS for nothing!! and if I did get anything, it was always missing info.
252. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 9:18 PM |
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253. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-------MB-------------
In the words of Bartle and James.... We appreciate your support...
253. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:18 PM |
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254. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Abduction... takes planning and coordination. High profile abduction takes LOTS of planning and lots of coordination.
The problems with the Abduction Theory are as follows:
a... The "group" psychology was put there for a reason. ONE.. it would take a mob of people to attack a group of soldiers. THAT is not happening in Bishkek, unless there is some kind of provocation. However, that also isn't going to happen because the commanders there are tough on conduct when the soldiers/airmen go out. They can visit the prostitutes, but they can't go on drinking bouts.
b... Staying together makes everyone accountable. They are going to have to behave because everyone is watching everyone else.
c... GETTING Abuducted from a GROUP is close to impossible. People know this and that is why it's practiced. And this is what she should have known. But instead concocks this incredible story of trance induced cranial void... which is in the grand scope of things "CRAP"
The other thing... and if KubaKyrgyz is still out there he can perhaps verify this for me..
I have been out in the city of Bishkek after dark.. EVEN WITHIN the city it is close to impossible to find your way around, especially if you are not familiar with the surroundings. There are potholes big enough to swallow people (she should have used that one), the streets and residential areas have no lighting (except in high traffic areas)... I have literally had to carry a flashlight to go from one building to another.
Now, she would like for me to believe that she went to a house, IN A VILLAGE, and knocked on the door at midnight!! That my friend is taking your life into your own hands!!
So... no.. the abduction thing is just not there for me WHATSOEVER!
254. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:27 PM |
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255. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The "Had Friends and wanted to say Bye" theory..
Sorry, but that one bites the big one too.
If I am a career officer and I happen to have friends anywhere, I am not going to risk AWOL for them, unless I get a little too drunk and I end up keeping myself from getting back. Sentimenal stuff just doesn't enter into the picture. EVEN if they are romantic sentiments.
Furthermore, the 'friends' could have met me in town with the rest of the people and we could have spent the afternoon together. Policy doesn't prohibit 'friends' from joining the party... just prohibits me leaving the party.
255. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:35 PM |
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256. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The Covert... "Let's Get Kyrgyzstan on the Terrorist Kidnapping List... by staging a Kidnapping" theory.
The story, more specifically, her story, throws that out right away.. The military may not have the greatest minds in the world working for them... but when it comes to this kinda stuff... I know Delta boys and SOCOM boys who can make you believe anything they set out to do... one way or another. No, they would have left no doubt in anyones mind that it was in fact a kidnapping.
256. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 11, 2006 9:41 PM |
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257. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 10:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbanger: I can't help but laugh reading your posts. Yes, CAG/Delta/JSOC/SOCOM/even USASOC folks CAN make you believe anything. It is elite reversal psych training and that, my friends, is why we will most likely here some story, any story within the next few days, perhaps tomorrow, but NOT the REAL STORY......
257. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 10:06 PM |
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258. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 10:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Video cameras in the store would have certainly picked up someone stuffing a BOMB in her jeans pocket and then her walking in a trance.....I can see it now: but Ms. Metzger, we have you on video in plain view WALKING OUT OF THE STORE on your own free will, noone is with you. Oh yes sir, I had a note, a bomb, and fell into a trance and walked out of the store, but your cell phone traces you to a bus station and a call going out and two coming in -- oh yes sir, they called the kidnappers using my cell phone to tell them to pick me up now, I know I know sir, no kidnapper would use someone's cell phone because it can then be traced, but these folks were smart and figured YOU folks would think that was such crap that you would not believe it anyway and I would look foolish, like I am looking so sir, they used it and then they took me in a minibus or taxi or something, can't remember, I was in a trance and my cell phone rang a few times because they forgot to take it away from me knowing it could be traced so they just shut it off for me and complimented me on my nice expensive wedding ring....then, I was given food, but they did not have my hands tied, figuring I was a girl I would not know combat moves so I HIT HIM! Pow! now sir, I need some sleep?????
258. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 10:12 PM |
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259. Posted by Happy | September 11, 2006 10:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The Runaway Bride + oops, I did it again Theory
I am not going for the pregnant theory. Has anyone seen pictures of Jill? She has the body of a 12 year old boy the side effects of too much testosterone, in addition to an eating disorder doesn't exactly make her Fertile Myrtle.
One thing that caught my attention early in this case was Hubby's comment about their phone conversation prior to the shopping trip. He said they "discussed family matters" - hmmmm, did something upset her? "talked about what they were going to do when she got home" - is this when it hit her she had to GO home? And what if she had another STD and was worried about bringing it home to hubby - doesn't exactly make for a great honeymoon, and I am sure it wouldn't exactly enhance her performance during the marathon.
No I do not think it was a pregnancy, but something was going on that she made a dash for the clinic. If she had been treated for an STD on base she would have HAD to report her sexual partner - and that was not an option for our "outstanding officer". I think she assumed that she would be back on base in time and nobody would notice. One report stated the group "thought Major Metzger must have gone back to base without them" - she probably thought she had enough time to make the dash and get back...by the time she was done at the clinic, she was "kidnapped" all over the news. Instant panic! Hide out a bit, die hair - oops, that looks bad...better shave it.
All theories posted here are strictly fictional and are in no way meant to do any harm to Jill, her co-workers, her family, her dogs, her neighbors, the mailman, the taxi driver...
259. Posted by Happy | September 11, 2006 10:12 PM |
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260. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 10:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy: LOL! Another good one! STD, wouldn't that stay with her though, whether or not she went to a clinic or went home? Who knows, might be on to something....I do like the died hair, looks bad, shave it theory!!! Runaway Bridge did go through such drastic measure to CUT her hair and leave it in a place to be found...that is thinking - her friends thought she would NEVER do anything like that either....
Now, this is much more fun that others bashing and/or degrading for differences of opinions...
Ya know, this is what they do in police stations and forensic meetings, heck, even law firms and so on,,,,sit together and discuss several theories and opinions, thoughts, heck, all kinds of character traits and so on.....heck I was told by someone yesterday they wished I would get abducted, tortured, raped and murdered for giving a theory and some opinions......geesh, I hope that never happens....I'll have to pull my Whopper out and HOPE IT WORKS....
260. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 10:41 PM |
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261. Posted by local knowledge | September 11, 2006 11:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
My sources on the ground support tha abortion theory. She did have a local boyfriend. Although it hasn't really seen much press, there is a clear video of her voluntarily getting into a taxi cab (alone) after the supposed abduction. The "Surgery Clinic" is a well-known local abortion clinic. Those are the three main facts that lead to really only one inescapable conclusion.
261. Posted by local knowledge | September 11, 2006 11:25 PM |
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262. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 11:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The abortion theory sounds like a good one. She might have gone that day and something went wrong as sometimes abortions do and she had to stay with local boyfriend until she felt better and/or stopped bleeding....dying her hair was a no brainer for making others believe she was bridenapped....stating she needed a good sleep instead of being questioned is a key behaviorial action which the military, investigators and so on are going to notice, monitor and dig into....
262. Posted by Deb G. | September 11, 2006 11:32 PM |
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263. Posted by VP | September 11, 2006 11:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I would hope if the local boyfriend isn't "loco" boyfriend then he would come forward and save the govts of both sides some embarassment. It's getting wack in here.
263. Posted by VP | September 11, 2006 11:57 PM |
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264. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 12, 2006 12:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-----HAPPY -------------
I should have caught this earlier... But, in order to appreciate the advantages of looking like Emaciated Emma, as opposed to Fertile Myrtle, you would have to go there...
Women are not at all like Western Women.. They are thin - very few full bosom babes in that part of the world!!! Trust me - I know.. I keep a keen eye out for that.
But her actually that kind of figure would, in this instance, be a positive trait, rather than a negative one. There is no plague of phatness in that country.
Just thought you would like to know....
264. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 12, 2006 12:08 AM |
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265. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If she did have a local boyfriend, or local russian pilot, wouldn't he be killed if his own knew he had an American girl pregnant?? I truly don't know the answer to that one....regardless, her honor, reputation and CAREER would be destroyed if she was pregnant and came back to the states like that......try explaining that to hubby 5 months from now while giving birth, but honey, you were not even here 4 months ago, I don't think it is mine, really I don't, wait I have a note in my pocket and small bomb like device telling me to follow instructions - be back in about 3-4 days for a good nights sleep...
265. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:14 AM |
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266. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Alien Abduction? I have seen it on TV before....
The recent move of the mountain labs out West for the military where they did do UFO research must have made the alien folks confused, thus, landing in Beshkek and well, the rest is history....
266. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:17 AM |
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267. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 1:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Small correction to the interesting discussions above, from a military physician. Your military medical record is ABSOLUTELY accessible to your Commander. I have forked over many a medical chart to Commanders who come in and simply say, "I have a need to know some information about SGT XYZ." (e.g. "Does he have Herpes? Was he admitted for a head injury resulting from drunkenness?", "Is she on Prozac?" etc) Privacy concerns in the civilian world are not quite the same in the military world, which makes sense if you think about it. The Commander has to be able to ensure the safety of all of her troops. The only folks in the military to whom you can speak with guaranteed privacy are the chaplains and your lawyer. And even then, you have to be careful. Medical discussions/exams/treatments are NOT private. "Your" medical record does not belong to you, it is an official document that belongs to the Medical Group. You can bet that whatever is in Jill Metzger's medical record is now well-known to her superiors, though there probably isn't too much of interest in it. And forget her "privacy" with the psychiatrist who does her "debriefing". She and her mental instability are the property of the USAF and not her own.
What the USAF decides to share with the public will be limited, but usually so many people are privy to the outcome that it usually leaks out somehow. But I don't think this will actually turn out to be mental illness, although her story is so pathetically inept that it makes you wonder. I'm GUESSING that she and local boyfriend (Russian pilot) planned out an escape, he backed out and went back to his base, she panicked and concocted this ridiculous lie, not realizing it would attract international attention. When the lie becomes clear in a few days, we'll have to suffer through the weepy excuse that she was under so much stress from a "hardship" deployment...
267. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 1:23 AM |
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268. Posted by Still Intrigued | September 12, 2006 2:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If I were an investigator, I'd be monitoring sites like this for little nuggets of intel to assist my investigation... that was the first thing I thought of when I read Deb G's posts. I was so disappointed by the BBQ game, but then I realized I was disappointed in myself for reading (and posting) to a blog. Oh my...
Sorry I could stay away.
Local Knowledge: How do you know she had a local boyfriend?
If she did, I don't think it is a local national or a Russion pilot. I don't know Jill or if Jill cheats on her husband, but girls like Jill I think tend to date men who can appreciate her for everything that she "is"... all that she "is" might be lost on a foreign pilot she can barely speak to in public...if she can speak to him at all. (I know many, many foreign officers who speak excellent English.)
There are plenty of Americans who are in town... stated earlier...expats, embassy personnel and families, contractors like KBR, and other military we don't talk about... the last group frequents the gym and might appreciate a physically fit two-time marathon champ...that last group also lives out and about and are attractive to girls like Jill... not knowing who Jill likes, just speaking from past observations...
STD - maybe. I think she would go to the clinic.
Pregnancy - maybe, but she wouldn't abort in a foreign clinic...she could come up with something...unless she was just really worried about her marathon...
I'm still holding to the theory that she intended to slip away unnoticed for a while and didn't make it back in time.
The video had her enter the store with another servicewoman... a pair. More than likely her friend knew or had a good idea in advance that they would separated... a little pressure and she certainly wouldn't keep Jill's secret at the risk of her own career.
Thanks for letting me play.
268. Posted by Still Intrigued | September 12, 2006 2:00 AM |
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269. Posted by Still Intrigued | September 12, 2006 2:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
One more comment...
I can't believe she was ever, ever planning on running away. Forget the honeymoom, she had a marathon to run when she came home.
You know, if something bad (like abduction even) happened to her when she was doing something wrong (like leaving the group to ???) she would still be in trouble for leaving the group. Her "AWOL" probably wasn't her idea.
This could be whole truth (doubt it), partial truth, or no truth...
They can't force her to take a polygraph, but from my own personal experience, a polygrapher can make an innocent person feel SO NERVOUS, SCARED, GUILTY. I can't imagine what it would be like to be taking one and actually trying to hide something.
269. Posted by Still Intrigued | September 12, 2006 2:15 AM |
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270. Posted by Baffled | September 12, 2006 8:30 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow...what a witch hunt this has turned into... This blog should really be titled, "The Jill Metzger Witch Hunt".
I really hope if any of you are ever in a situation where the FACTS are still unknown, some fellow human beings give you all just a little more courtesy and respect.
I am signing off here for good. And unlike DebG, I acutally mean it...
Baffled
270. Posted by Baffled | September 12, 2006 8:30 AM |
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271. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 8:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Baffled will go through life in that state if he/she continues to look at blogs for "facts".
271. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 8:39 AM |
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272. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 9:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
wow, jump on here to see the frustration continues. BBQ game? Although we did play some games on Sunday, it was harmless and shows exactly what intel does to folks - makes you believe things that don't really happen, and the military excels at it. Sorry, but I have no control over anyone who wants to post back to someone on here.
Baffled: I never said I was leaving for good, I said I was out on Sunday, that day, not for good. I come back on here to read posts, perhaps not even post back and I keep seeing my name mentioned - good grief.....
Not sure why people on here get frustrated or put down others on the board rather than stick to theories and thoughts and RESPECT THAT OTHERS have opinions and brains of their own, which is what a blog normally is for.....completely harmless, all of it.....some sensitive folks on here for sure....I guess when the media writes articles about her disappearance and the lack of facts or others write about her - does that make it a witch hunt? Of course not, the facts are facts and they don't make sense right now - period and the whole world is noticing, not just this site.
272. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 9:15 AM |
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273. Posted by BM | September 12, 2006 9:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Blogs are many times more factual than the main stream media. Our local Colorado Springs paper has 6 blogs associated with it and the below linked private Colorado Springs blog gets more visits per day than all the paper's blogs combined in a week. Tell me blogs don't demand respect and a look-see.
The local TV stations were even pissed that he went out to photograph Jill's husband when two of the three major networks weren't allowed an interview. Media has to follow certain bogus rules to be PC. Blogs are free to do much more.
http://newsblab.com/blabbingmikesblog/nfblog/
273. Posted by BM | September 12, 2006 9:16 AM |
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274. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 9:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I agree. Blogs can contain massive amounts of information and maybe, just maybe, you can locate that ONE individual who knows a wealth of knowledge regarding an important situation at hand. Also, a huge percentage of folks on blogs are extremely educated and knowledeable folks searching for facts and information and research tools.....
274. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 9:23 AM |
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275. Posted by YaThink | September 12, 2006 9:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Don't know the Lady, but do know the scenario...I was Married to an Army gal for 10 years who happened to cheat numerous times, at least 3 different guys, 2 of them officers, and have heard some "wild" stories and excuses...From "I am being set up" to "volunteered for a particular duty because of patriotic duty and values" to " the insurgents have knocked out all communications and I won't be able to contact you or the kids for a few weeks"..
In all the cases it turned out she was with another man (Army Officer) and it was just made up BS... The insurgent story, she was then and is now back in Iraq, was particularly funny because she was back in the states at that time with the new boyfriend and I received her award miles statemant in the mail from the airlines detailing her travel...The insurgents knocked out commo, put you on a plane to Amsterdam, and made you spend 2 weeks in Georgia sleeping with a married man?????
Point is, that being an officer or being in the military doesn't automatically make you smarter, honest, trustworthy or infuse you with character or integrity...
Her colleagues and friends at the time were very supportive and said that ##### would never, ever, do anything to bring shame or disgrace to the uniform or family, etc... while they were actually involved, knew what was going on, and even loaned rooms and credit cards for the assignations....
Maybe she was kidnapped by 'short bus' terrorist or brideknappers, but the truth is usually more mundane, dirty, and understandable once the 'media' moves on.
Whatever happened, I am glad her family has gotten her back....
275. Posted by YaThink | September 12, 2006 9:45 AM |
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276. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
YaThink: I am with you on the Officer thing does not give you honor and integrity "just because" or by association. I would normally NEVER write this or relay to many, but my ex husband, who is a LTC was on a dating service meeting women while on TDY trips, his friend was kicked out of the Army for asking 50 different women to marry him even though he was married with children. Yes, some of you might know his story, it made national attention. Well, I NEVER went to IG or anyone regarding my ex, just divorced him. He is a Westpoint grad, special forces, and so forth, however, his PERSONAL life, even though he has medals, honors, etc...has a VERY dark and mentally disturbing side witnessed by many who know him and ONLY those close to him.....so, being an Office DOES NOT give you the right to be pegged with honor, accomplishments, etc....automatically. There are good people and there are bad people and then there are good people who are portrayed good but who are actually not that good in the long run....
276. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:13 AM |
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277. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In Jill's defense, if she did make this up, I don't think it was done to intentionally harm anyone, however, given her Officer status, she is a symbol of the USAF and would be disgracing that.
Again, let's wait and see what the real facts are. Of course, in MY opinion, we will NEVER see the real facts, even if the media is saying the facts are the real ones.....covert stuff if it plays any part here, can and WILL be covered....
277. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:22 AM |
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278. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 12, 2006 10:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbanger Poster:
I didn't mean that because she was skinny therefore she coudn't get pregnant - you can be skinny and still have enough body fat to get pregnant. However, atheletes can at times have too little body fat and their body goes into Amenorrhea (missed periods from too much exercise). This causes excess testosterone which Jill shows signs of (increased facial hair, sunken cheeks, limp/thinning hair). However, she could use the birth control pill to control amenorrhea...and if she had recently started taking any anti-depressants or even certain supplements (St. Johns Wart), they make the pill ineffective. VERY easy to accidently get pregnant this way. I think I just sold myself on the pregnancy theory. I feel sorry for the poor guy that got her pregnant - I think it is someone deployed with her. She wouldn't go for a Russian pilot - she likes to be better than the people she pursues. Anyway, I am thinking she hooked up with someone that not only would get her in trouble for adultry, but probably fraternization as well(officer/enlisted) - a double whammy to really instill fear in her and require cover-up to take such dramatic actions. The truth will come out soon enough - I already saw anchors poking fun about it on the news this morning while I was working out - I think Fox and Friends. They even mentioned the gossip on the blogs - so BM and Deb make a great point above. BTW...all statements in this post are strictly theories based upon recent news articles and interviews, medical studies (amennorhea/birth contol/St. Johns Wart) and lastly (sorry baffled this will hurt...) my own personal experiece and the knowledge that this girl has been and will always be an attention seeker - not to mention, CRAZY.
278. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 12, 2006 10:22 AM |
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279. Posted by wake up people | September 12, 2006 10:25 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And the questions start coming ...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2423811&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
279. Posted by wake up people | September 12, 2006 10:25 AM |
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280. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy Civilian: On Sunday, a few folks thought that you and I, were, well, the same person posting here. Are we sisters? Regardless, I have heard all of what you wrote regarding pregnancy before so it could very well be the case. I cannot recall the woman who posted in regards to Jill having an affair with her husband or fiancee, but I will say, that the INVESTIGATORS which the media keep pointing out, would, IN FACT, LOVE TO TALK TO HER about her experience. It would all be a piece of the puzzle and indeed pertinent to piecing together her mental capabilities and actions. I know some slammed her for posting such personal info., however, it would be much wanted at this point by authorities investigating.....At this point, if you get a few women together who can claim and prove that Jill messed around with or purused an affair with their husband's/boyfriends/fiancees then that would prove valuable to this case right now.....I am not saying that is what she has done or does, but finding these facts would be important......
280. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:39 AM |
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281. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy Civilian: That was YOU!!! I just realized it was YOU who relayed that story. Wow, be on the alert for a phone call from investigators who may be reading this blog to question your experience!
281. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 10:42 AM |
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282. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 11:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I've been hanging out and reading this stuff, now I finally want to say something. YES, the whole "bomb in the pocket" story is, to say the least, pretty fantastic. A small package is stuffed into the back pocket of her jeans (hard to do)? With DETAILED instructions written in ENGLISH? And she FOLLOWS them without seeking the other AF personnel in the shopping center to say something like "I'm having a bomb scare and need to go. Tell the commanding officer."
But please keep in mind that this is what the local police and media CLAIM she said, and we don't really know how reliable they may be. Yes, there have been a lot of rumors generated about Maj. Metzger, but you can't accuse someone based on rumors. There are now so many conflicting stories the truth simply becomes muddier by the minutes. The only thing certain is that Maj. Metzger disappeared and then reappeared under circumstances that were, to say the least, strange. But "innocent until proven guilty." Bottom line: We don't know what's going on here, not really.
Why not just take a deep breath, get back to our lives, and wait to see what happens?
282. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 11:00 AM |
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283. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 11:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The interview with Jill's parents deserves another look. It's long but fascinating:
http://www.wral.com/video/9807496/detail.html
This interview was done BEFORE it was officially known that she was safe. Some things strike me:
1. Her parents CLEARLY know in this video that she is not in danger. They are extremely relaxed. Look at her Dad's body position. When the reporter asks "What kind of a person is Jill?", her Dad LAUGHS. I don't think for a second ANYONE's Dad would laugh when asked for personal information about a kidnapped daughter.
2. This video was clearly (to me) created FOR JILL, to convince her to come back home. They KNEW she was no hostage. They KNEW she had walked away on her own and wasn't likely in danger. They emphasize over and over how much the family loves her, how much fun she has back in the states, all of her hobbies, her DOGS (close up on her dog's face at the end), the extensive prayer circuit with "thousands of people reaching out to her".
3. Dad talks very calmly about "terrorists and fatalities" as part of her military risks. Again, I just can't imagine a Dad talking calmly and laughing about that if he believed his daughter was truly in the hands of an enemy.
4. Jill's Mom has an interesting slip of the tongue when she's discussing a wedding song sung to Jill's new husband. She slips and calls the song "Why'd you do it, Jill?" instead of "Why'd you do it, Josh?" Interesting. And then she very quickly corrects herself.
5. They mention that Jill tends to think "I can do it myself", but urge her to "realize that there is a lot of help out there".
And I see from the recent link to the abc news story that her husband's plea, again BEFORE he supposedly knew she was safe, was "Just be strong. Don't worry about whatever's happened to you, just come on home, all right. We're here for you. Be strong, sweetie." Weird statement to make if he truly believed she had been snatched by hostiles.
Clearly the family knew right from the get-go that she was not kidnapped and that she was probably safe but afraid to come home because of some transgression.
Her parents seem like the nicest people in the world. I feel guilty for doubting her, they're so nice, but doubt I do.
283. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 11:08 AM |
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284. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 11:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There's the point: You just never know what you are hearing on the media is true. Jill deserves some benefit yes, however, coming up with theories is normal for everyone to do. I too don't believe all I am hearing, just know that it all sounds strange.
VR: I saw that interview and felt the same. I am sure "investigators" are clearly watching that frame by frame - it spoke volumes....
I do feel badly for her even though she is responsibel for any actions she might have taken. If, indeed, she did get kidnapped (come on folks, she was seen walking out of the mall on video camera - ALONE), then bless her for surviving and being in safe hands....
284. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 11:59 AM |
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285. Posted by DM | September 12, 2006 12:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Has anyone noticed that alot of the information and opinions that the media is getting is from the Kyrgyz Police and other officials? Has it occurred to anyone that they can spin the information any way they want in order to cover their own behinds? Besides that, the media doesn't always have all the facts. And their job is not to report news but to make money.
To anyone who came on this board to write negative things about Jill Metzger and to air any dirty laundry, as yourself if you have never made a mistake. As angry as it may make you to see other people sympathizing with someone you don't care for, ask yourself - if you were in a confusing situation and people were allowed to speculate about YOU, would no one be able to come up with something from YOUR past to use against you? Be careful about throwing stones.
285. Posted by DM | September 12, 2006 12:00 PM |
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286. Posted by another thought | September 12, 2006 12:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Please don't attack me but just ANOTHER thought. As we know, things are not always what they seem. After watching video of parents,I'd like to throw out a question. Is it possible for a 33 year old to want to get away from a VERY CONTROLLING MOTHER? One that tells her every move to make in her personal life and never gives her breathing space - even when she is overseas, and has NEVER let her grow up?
Just a question from someone with some knowledge.
286. Posted by another thought | September 12, 2006 12:05 PM |
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287. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
A video is a video which shows evidence she left on her own free will. A military spokesperson has verified Jill left the mall on her own after finding a note - she told military investigators this......
Actually, I have made mistakes, plenty, but have NO dirty secrets or laundry in my past - sorry. Not throwing stones either, just theorizing on a media story and situation - I don't even see a Jill Metzger in front of me when I think of this, I see a situation where many folks are trying to put together facts and pieces of this puzzle....If I did, however, do something to harm the integrity of the military, I would most certainly understand the need to dig into my past and/or private life - it is a given....
287. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:06 PM |
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288. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Another thought: NOONE should be attacking you or anyone for that matter. I just don't get why people come on here and attack and or put down the opininos of others. They are just opinions of people, meaning no harm to the person bashing following a comment or Jill Metzger for that matter.....just opinions.....just opinions.....just opinions.....if the story did not have loopholes, I doubt the whole world would not be trying to figure out what really happened....Just human nature to start piecing together the parts.......I am swamped at work and find this all interesting enough to keep checking back.....and, frankly, in hopes of learning what could be another theory or possibility....just curiosity really.....
288. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 12:09 PM |
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289. Posted by Analyst | September 12, 2006 1:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR
I share your doubts regarding "the story" as currently relayed by media. However, I fail to see the interview in the same light as you. In my opinion, all I saw was two people trying to remain optimistic in the face of fear. The mother's sadness was palpable and the father's laughter merely (perhaps) a stress mechanism.
When my daughter was a little girl she nearly died of complications related to surgery. I never cried, remained positive, and took very deliberative actions to insure she recovered (which she did). I WISH I had been able to cry, but it simply isn't in my nature to respond that way during stress. We are all alike - but we are all different as well.
Jill's father's reaction may have been merely a reflection of his personal response to overwhelming stress. Neither implying or inferring anything of consequence.
289. Posted by Analyst | September 12, 2006 1:05 PM |
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290. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 1:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The reason this case is so fascinating and so important and so INFURIATING to me is because as a female military officer I hate to see a fellow female military officer act in a way that reflects badly on "us". Women in the military are constantly battling the perception that we don't belong in the war zone, in the fighter jet, on the front lines, in the dangerous situations because we are not strong enough, not fit enough, not mentally tough enough. It has been a slow, difficult battle to convince the world otherwise, and stunts like THIS do not help.
The military is still run by old guys like Jill's Dad (and listen to him detail her athletic accomplishments on the video referenced above: she has many, she won the AF marathon twice, but he HAS to throw in the comment that her accomplishments are awesome "for a woman". You can almost imagine little Jill desperately seeking new "manly" accomplishments to impress her Dad -- I can snowboard and skateboard! I can be the first girl to get a German killing license! I can skin a deer! I can run faster than you! I can be an AF officer!-- yet they never quite manage to convince him.) Those old colonels and generals and a large segment of the US public believe that women don't belong in war-time situations where they might be captured, tortured, raped (never mind that men can be in the same situation, somehow in their minds it's worse for us women).
For Jill to throw out a "victim" story to cover for her own misconduct (and I'm making an assumption here that she did something she shouldn't have, and was covering up for it with the cockamamie story) is appalling and infuriating if true. It created an international incident. It embarrassed the host country. It embarrassed the USAF. And it casts another unneeded shadow over the women serving proudly and competently in the military. We know what the risks are and we accept them when we put on the uniform. We want to be there (COL Rhonda Cornum, the doctor captured during the first Gulf War, speaks eloquently about her experiences and her thoughts on women in combat) and have earned the right to be there. If we are captured, we expect the US government to expend every effort to rescue us, just as they would for any captured airman or soldier. If we go AWOL for whatever dumbass reason, invoking the "victim" claim as a bid for sympathy, we'd better expect damn harsh judgment.
Ironically, from what I've read about Jill, she probably understood the difficulties of being a woman in a "man's world" all too well.
290. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 1:11 PM |
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291. Posted by flytrap | September 12, 2006 1:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I am really amazed that most of you have this much time. Some of you claim to be in the military, hopefully not waisting military resources. You remind me of the kids at school who never get to play on the team, but are so critical of the game being played and those that play it.
Give it a rest! You live in a world of conjecture. I have learned a great deal about the media circus and you are the pink ponies performing the tricks! Many of you are right. Nobody will know the truth. But examine, if you will, where you are getting your information. What can you verify? Isn't there some value in emperical knowledge?
291. Posted by flytrap | September 12, 2006 1:34 PM |
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292. Posted by DM | September 12, 2006 1:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G, I find some of the things have been said to you completely horrible and innapropriate.
I do have to say that you've been inconsistent throughout this entire blog. You say "I don't even see a Jill Metzger in front of me when I think of this" but you obviously do. If this is just your curiousity about a missing woman, you wouldn't have found it necessary to post personal information. (Which by the way it, from how things were worded, it doesn't seem like there was any proof that Jill was involved in an affair - just "anonymous" emails). You say in one posting that you will pray for her but indicate in others that you couldn't care less and in fact convey malice.
I'm going to do what it seems like many of the other sensible people have done and get the heck off this blog. It's amazing that people have such a desire to use so much of their time and energy for the sort of negativity that has been demonstrated here.
292. Posted by DM | September 12, 2006 1:38 PM |
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293. Posted by happy civilian | September 12, 2006 1:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
DM: re:(Which by the way it, from how things were worded, it doesn't seem like there was any proof that Jill was involved in an affair - just "anonymous" emails)
Sorry, that wasn't Deb's post - it was mine, and there is/was proof. She contacted me 6 months after the affair from an anonymous account. I then contacted her directly. My post was not about the affair as those happen all the time - my post was about my interaction with her during that time and her behavior displayed to me during that time. It was simply a post to give an example of her negative personality traits as others had posted about her positive. In my opinion from my experience with her...is that she is CRAZY.
293. Posted by happy civilian | September 12, 2006 1:55 PM |
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294. Posted by mh | September 12, 2006 2:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have to agree with DM! It is amazing the number people claiming to be military officers and successful civilians who have the time and desire to speculate and to blog about Jill Metzger's sex life, STD's, abortions, affairs, alcohol consumption, underwear, etc.
Get a life!
Happy Civilian and DebG...Get a life and a support group for bitter ex-wives! In fact, that is really what this blog has become anyway...
mh
294. Posted by mh | September 12, 2006 2:21 PM |
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295. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 12, 2006 2:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-------------FLYTRAP---------------
I have a question for you!!
Have you ever seen a pidgeon?? I presume you have. You can probably even describe one to me, can't you?
Have you ever seen a baby pidgeon?? Discribe it! In all probability you haven't seen one, have you?
You see, in YOUR world, you 'say' that you have to have emperical (sic) knowledge. So, emperical (sic) me this... Baby pidgeons don't exist!! Why? Because you haven't seen one. Nobody has seen them.. Adult pidgeons just happen, they drop out of the sky, for no particular reason at all.. they are there just to eat the scraps that people throw on the ground. Therefore, the concept of 'needing' baby pidgeons is not valid.
In MY world, because I don't have access to absolute truth, I have to make judgements on the 'facts' as I gather them, and I am able to reassemble those 'facts' as I need to. In order to prevent my cranium from becoming nothing more than a hollow cavern.. With my experience, knowledge, and reasoning ability, I conclude that:
Jack and Jill went up the hill
to fetch a pail of water, or something
Jack fell down, and broke his whatever
And Jill, well she fell into a trance
and out of the TSUM did dance
And.. well she took a bus or was it a cab
with instructions to pay the tab
and... gee, I lost my place
And Jill, well she's fallen from grace
Baby pidgeons don't exist.. do they Flytrap!!??
295. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 12, 2006 2:33 PM |
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296. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 3:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Came back on to once again, more garbage about the actual people blogging, fun! strange, but fun!
Wizbang, you make me LAUGH!! I was nearly spewing on the screen! I love your posts. Now that you make me think of it, I have never seen a baby pigeon! What the.......why not? oh oh, new post Where are the baby pigeons???? You can be my wingman anyday....reality will keep you alive...
MH: well, laugh my darn butt off, bitter ex wife hahahahahahahahahahah I am so far from bitter. Better maybe, not bitter. Do you claim to remotely think you know me because if you do perhaps you can tell us what happened to JILL....Life is good is my motto. I am blessed with a very good life, will spare the details so I really don't have to get a life - I have one! You are on here too, does that mean you don't have a life? I am secure enough with myself....Ya know, I don't like posting back wiht stupid posts like this and very off the topic, but this is well, stupid.
DM: I posted facts, not really personal info becuase none of it bothers me in the least - just pointing out a perfect situation of Officer gone bad.
I do find it amazing that the folks who come here bashing and are hypocrits because they will stand by a woman named Jill who they do not even know, but will bash those of us here giving opinions on a blog - how funny is that???
As far as not seeing Jill in front of me. Simply meaning, I am not targeting Jill for her character, if anyone were in her situation, it would be that person we are giving theories about. I see a situation in front of me, not the person, a situation and puzzle and some pretty darn strange facts....
Ok, for those posters posting to us about our character due to giving theories, perhaps you should contact all the news stations, newspapers and everyone in the world right now making up some pretty darn rudge THEORIES about Jill - the whole world is doing it, this site is just a small place included...
296. Posted by Deb G. | September 12, 2006 3:09 PM |
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297. Posted by Stephen Y | September 12, 2006 4:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
One thing in life is constant: desperate people will do anything. It should be so obvious to anyone with some common sense and knowledge of what motivates people that the story this woman, who wears a uniform of our respected military btw, fabricated is false.
She is embarrassing our country and every citizen who pays her salary. How dare you go to another country and claim that you were kidnapped to cover up your own personal problems?
She is better suited for a career as a writer or a sidekick to Tom Clancy than being a commissioned officer in the AF.
And those of you who trash other posts, particularly the ones by Happy Civilian for pointing out a different side to someone’s character, should wake up and realize that the person you are defending needs psychological help. If you care about her so much get to know the true person like others have experienced. I have read enough to know and make a reasonable judgment about the ‘type’ of person this is. All I can say is trash.
Yes character does matter in a situation like this. Someone who can run a marathon doesn’t make them a good person. Mike Tyson is a gifted athlete but it does not take away the fact that he is a thug. Ted Bundy was charming, but still a murderer. People who make generalized statements about her being such a great person are being misled. Great people are not involved in adulterer behavior, send disturbing emails, or lie to America. A person who is willing to commit the above acts certainly has the capacity to do anything for their own personal gain.
We being the public and tax paying Americans are being deceived. I’m sure we will find out soon enough the complete story. When we do, it would be in our best interest to petition and write our U.S. representatives and Senators telling them to assist in the removal of this fraud from our military and to be punished to the fullest.
She needs help and as sure as sh*t, I don’t want to pay for it. Get this loon out!!!!!!
297. Posted by Stephen Y | September 12, 2006 4:38 PM |
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298. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 7:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Okay, let me try this again. I am neither a Jill Metzger apologist nor basher, and I DO think the whole "bomb in the pocket" story is fishy if not downright smelly. But whatever Maj. Metzger may or may not have done in the past or present, we are only hearing what the Kyrgrst official CLAIM that she said and CLAIM that they saw.
Yes, she left her group, which was against procedure, and yes, she did disappear and then reappear under very strange circumstances. But can we please take a breath and wait a moment before convicting someone via electronic media? Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I think what we are doing here is starting to go beyond that. What IF it does turn out she actually DIDN'T do anything wrong (which IS possible, by the way) but then all suspicions have already been raised that linger and follow her around?
If she faked her abduction, I want her to pay some consequences for it. But what if this is just foreign officials spinning an incident to cover a criminal act in their own country? And yes, that IS possible.
I don't know Jill Metzger nor anyone associated with her, but I have been victimized by false claims myself and hate to seen someone tried in a public forum while unable to defend themselves.
Somehow, I doubt this entry will find much favor with anyone.
298. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 7:28 PM |
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299. Posted by WizbangerPoster | September 12, 2006 8:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-----Cambrose-------------
Let's do a poll...
all those who believe that Jill has done something wrong.. Raise you hand....
See... I win..
Now... go sit down!!!
299. Posted by WizbangerPoster | September 12, 2006 8:39 PM |
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300. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 9:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
A rather childish reply, Wiz.
For clarification, I DO believe she did something wrong by leaving her group, and I STRONGLY suspect she may have erred in more than that. But where is the proof? Is there anything here thus far that would convict her in a court of law or a military court-martial? The supposed security camera tapes and interviewed witnesses are in a foreign country with official who may or may not be putting a spin on this to keep themselves covered. Has anyone stateside seen the tapes or read the transcripts? If she's guilty of wrongdoing, so be it, let her pay the price for her actions. I'm just saying wait for conclusive proof. Have YOU ever been accussed of something serious you didn't do? I have, so maybe I'm a little more cautious about making accusations than others.
And why IS this polarizing everyone so much anyway? Chill out, people. I somehow doubt this will have a lasting effect on most of your lives.
300. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 9:00 PM |
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301. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 9:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Man, I just got pretty sanctimonious, and for that I apologize to everyone. There was just something about Wiz's "Nyah Nyah" tone and multiple exclamation points that set me off, I guess. Shouldn't have reacted that way. Still, I don't apologize for what I said, just how I said it.
301. Posted by cambrose | September 12, 2006 9:06 PM |
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302. Posted by factsarefacts | September 12, 2006 9:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cambrose:
If you have been accused of something you did not do then YOU should be all the MORE angry with Jill Metzger who is by all reasonable doubt pointing the finger at citizens of a foreign country of abducting her just to get out of her own personal problems. We are speaking up on this blog before it is made public based upon the facts that are strongly leaning towards her false statements. Per your posting where "all this is based on foreign investigations", have we really become so arrogant in America to assume that foreign countries do not do proper investigations? Or that they are all out to get big, bad America? It is that mentality that made Maj Metzger think she was untouchable. As a tax payer I will not stay silent when all the evidence is against JM and she is trying to blame people of a crime. You of all people should be angry for that. This girl has obviously been hiding her secret lifestyle for a long time. Too bad it takes this for people to finally come forward and get this manly-girl removed. I don't know this officer but I can tell you if I did I wouldnt be posting about what a kind person she is or how fast she runs.
Here is my theory: In the closet lesbian, can't take the stress anymore. Glad I stumbled on this blog, seems JM has been leaving a trail of scandal behind her for some time and this is the grand finale.
302. Posted by factsarefacts | September 12, 2006 9:19 PM |
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303. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 12, 2006 10:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
--------------Cambrose--------------
I'm sorry...
You aren't in the military, are you? Have you ever been in the military?
Let me clue you in to a couple things about the military. One of the things I have learned is that the person next to you, could someday be responsible for saving, or giving your life.
I knew a guy, Louis Rocco.. He died not too long ago. I was stationed with him in Germany. He was a Medic at that time.. Eventually, he went on to become a PA (Physician Asst).
He ended up going to Viet Nam. While there he was assigned to a MedEvac unit. There was a call one day for a MedEvac and he happened to be one of the Medics who went out to get some guys. The Chopper was shot down.. there were crew and casualties in the chopper. Rocco was wounded and injured. He crawled, back and forth between the chopper and a place where he was able to get some people to safety. He did this numerous times. You can read the story here:
http://history.amedd.army.mil/moh/roccol.htm
Now go read his story - don't just skim through it ,digest it.. .When you think that you understand what all that means, then come back here and perhaps we can continue this discussion. But, until that concept is embedded into your very soul, you will never be able to understand what all this is about.
So, my sincere apologies for the flippant response in my previous post. But, to be quite frank with you, and everyone else on this forum, I have two sons who are out there “protecting your right to be here”, by putting their lives on the line. THAT... is why this is so important to me. SHE happens to represent that entire system!!
303. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 12, 2006 10:02 PM |
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304. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 11:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh yes, wonderful, we have finally gotten to the "closet lesbo" theory. Let's recap the theories thus far:
--affair with co-worker
--affair with local
--affair with off-base American
--affair with Russian pilot
--went to get an abortion
--mental illness, "needs help"
--in-the-closet lesbo who cracks (STS) under the pressure
--ran away to escape sweet but controlling mother
--went AWOL to say goodbye to friends in the area
--masterminded the whole thing just to get attention, a la "stolen white woman syndrome"
--actually WAS kidnapped from department store
a. brideknapped
b. regular kidnapped, but escaped heroically before ransom could be issued
--went AWOL for unknown reason and THEN was kidnapped
--secret operative for the US government to tarnish the reputation of Krzgystan
--alien abduction
--fell in pothole and couldn't get out
Have we missed any other possibilities?
Shall we place bets?
304. Posted by VR | September 12, 2006 11:05 PM |
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Posted on September 12, 2006 23:05
305. Posted by YaThink | September 12, 2006 11:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To VR
WELL SAID!!!!!
305. Posted by YaThink | September 12, 2006 11:39 PM |
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306. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 12, 2006 11:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
--------------VR------------
It's sad that we will never "know" what took place on that sunny afternoon in the city of Bishkek in Central Asia. I suppose that my only regret is that she will come away as a 'hero', if her abduction story sticks.
There's a flight out to Andrews from Ramstein tomorrow... My bet is she'll be on it.
Well, don't know about the bets... But the rest of the people at Ganci will be rotating back pretty soon.. they're normally there for similar lengths of time as the Illustrious Maj Jill.
Knowing people in the Personnel Pie in the Sky over at Randolph might come in handy
306. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 12, 2006 11:50 PM |
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307. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 7:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz,
I read the story on Rocco - that is bravery, courage and heroism to the tee. I will also pray for your two sons. My father was in Vietnam and died of Agent Orange related illnesses in 1996. Although never wanting to talk about it, one night, he relayed some heroic stories of men he was with - amazing stuff.
VR: I was actually snickering here at work reading some of those theories. How about she just wanted to take a practice run around the area for her upcoming marathon (which she is, in fact running) and did not make it back in time?
I have to say: Normally, as when those soldiers were found mutilated and people beheaded, kidnapped, etc...the news flashes a significant amount of information on the location of the incidents, even pictures, sometimes graphic and so on - WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING on this - that alone, in my opinion, speaks volumes for the situation not being "right". Same with the runaway bride. Remember when they were looking for her, found her in TX (I believe TX) and then complete SILENCE for a few days and the real truth finally came out?????
307. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 7:34 AM |
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308. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 13, 2006 8:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi there. Yesterday some interesting news was broadcasted on Kyrgyz National Television about Jill Metzger being pregnant and undergoing an abortion surgery, as cited one of our papers:
"Вчера передали по телевидению что данная гражданка была беременна и ей сделали аборт.Военнослужащим армии США (женщинам) запрещено рожать и иметь детей во время несения службы,поэтому сделали столь таинственное исчезновение.Врач Ысык Атинской районной больницы подтвердил что Джил Метцгер действительно обратилась и ей сделали данную операцию."
English Translation from Russian original:
Yesterday, there was a news on Kyrgyz television, that Ms. Jill Metzger has indeed been pregnant.
US militaries are not allowed to be pregnant during the service (I think this one is long stretched, what the TV wanted really to say, probably, was "Watch out Jill, hubby is going to find out!!!" But some truth gets twisted, to look more politically correct.)
She underwent an abortion surgery in Issyk Ata district clinic (Kant, where Jill was found, Kant belongs to Issyk Ata district or county, whatever you like), and the doctor from clinic, who performed surgery, confirmed the information on television.
PS:
I undersootd, from testaments of taxidriver, that Jill did a stopover near Special Surgical Clinic in Bishkek on the junction of Togolok-Moldo and Kievskaya streets. They have, by the way, English speaking medical staff, and medical facilities are relatively reasonable.
But why on the earth she went to Kant to make an abortion, to that below-any-standards rural clinic? How she could explain that she needed an abortion? No one speeaks English probably there. Or did she hire a translator? Why she was so desperate?
Why she did not do that in Special Surgical Clinic in Bishkek? The only reasonable explanation pops up in mind: that particular place is packed with foreigners, ex-pats, so on. Maybe she was afraid to get recognized.
Why she ruined her life and career in such a silly way? I dunno.
My guess is that Jill's true story will be kept quiet in the Western media from now on. It affects sensitive political and military matters.
Kuba Kyrgyz
308. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 13, 2006 8:26 AM |
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309. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 13, 2006 9:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Epilogue:
If kidnapping of Jill Metzger in Kyrgyzstan happened for real, US State Dept would demand an thorough investigation from Kyrgyz Govt people, would demand explanations from Kyrgyz ambassador in Washington, exchange official notes, as usually happens. Nothing of this kind has happened this time.
That alone speaks volumes. Mouths will be sealed.
Media will give plebs "politically correct" version of what happened.
Actually, personally I feel sorry for Jill. Her marriage has, probably, already been ruined. I do not think that her husband is that gullible.
Her military career ended. She will certainly sign non-disclosure kind of papers. And will retire from military.
309. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 13, 2006 9:18 AM |
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310. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 13, 2006 9:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just 10 days before deploying to Kyrgyzstan in April, Metzger married Air Force Capt. Josh Mayo. They had already bought tickets for a honeymoon in Jamaica later this month, he said.
"We were going to take Jet Skis out, have a couple of romantic dinners. It is very disappointing," said Mayo
Trying to read between the lines. I'd guess that Air Force Capt. Josh Mayo is no fool. And giving here subliminal message.
310. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 13, 2006 9:38 AM |
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311. Posted by Pica | September 13, 2006 10:02 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba-I'm convinced that if this is true, (that she invented all this to have an abortion) it will come out in the open in the press. With all the stories in the last couple of years of women pretending to be kidnapped, THIS one tops 'em all. With so many places in the world being on the brink of and in war, Metzger would be so brazen as to add Kyrgyzstan into the mix, is beyond anyone's imagination. What a criminal act!! The military should give a harsh and swift punishment. Sorry to anyone out there who is offended, but this really could have (and still might) had horrible consequences on the diplomatic front and that is not pardonable.
311. Posted by Pica | September 13, 2006 10:02 AM |
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312. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 12:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I agree with Pica, the story will come out because it is so sensational. And if the doc in the abortion clinic over there is talking, our reporters will be there sucking it all in. Interesting news from our Man on the Scene that there isn't the confidentiality for medical procedures in Kyrgzystan that we have here in the US. You wouldn't catch a doctor confirming an abortion on TV here. Lawyers would ensue.
Medically, it is very easy to establish that a woman has had a recent abortion or at least a miscarriage. Her pregnancy tests would still show as positive for a week or so after the abortion, and a gynecologic exam would strongly suggest it. I'm wondering if it went through her head that someone might question her vaginal bleeding when she returned to the base, so she thought she could cover it by saying she'd been sexually assaulted, which, of course, let's see, would have occurred if she'd been, um... kidnapped, and, yeah, that's the ticket! Kidnapped! When I was in the store! (But Jill,you're see on camera walking out on your own and getting into a cab!! -- Well, it was strange, someone slipped a credit-card-sized bomb in my pocket and it was like I was in a trance...)
Again, viewing the interview with her parents, I think they KNEW this information about the pregnancy. Yes, her Mom looks terribly SAD, but not the kind of frantic sad you'd expect of a Mom who thinks her daughter is in danger, the kind of sick-disappointed-sad. Her Dad just wants her to know that she should just come home to all of her favorite things.
If the abortion thing is true, and it sounds to me like it might be, then it is a very sad situation for Jill and her family, particularly her duped new husband. But it DOES NOT excuse her conduct. She should be punished to the fullest extent, certainly should lose her AF career and all benefits. She won't be able to "retire", not enough years in, and she'll get a Dishonorable Discharge. I think she also deserves some time in the slammer.
She could have hidden the whole abortion and just received an LOR for being AWOL if she had just come up with a more reasonable story. "Well, I went sightseeing and I got lost". "I went to visit my friends, got drunk, and the next thing I knew 3 days had gone by." But to concoct this monster of a story--- unfathomable. Throw the book at her.
312. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 12:34 PM |
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313. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 12:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
...and I think she went to Kant for the abortion because that's where her Russian pilot is stationed, he knows a doctor in town, and she figured she could do it more quietly there.
313. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 12:37 PM |
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314. Posted by AF | September 13, 2006 12:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think it is interesting that none of the official Air Force news on Jill Metzger (www.af.mil) mention anything about an abduction, only the claim of abduction. If the military believed there was an abduction, it would be of intense focus with so many military personnel in the area. Instead, they focus on the fact that she has been found and is safe...but NO mention of a search for abductors or hightened military stance in the area. Military public affairs can't write what is not true, and I believe they know the major was not abducted but left on her own volition. People do strange things under pressure and I believe she was under some sort of personal pressure. Unfortunately, her career is over.
314. Posted by AF | September 13, 2006 12:40 PM |
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315. Posted by JP Fiske | September 13, 2006 12:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have known Jill for 9 years. She an I had been communicating while she was deployed to Manas AB.
This "abortion story" is absolutely ludicrous! The Kyrgyzstan press is worse than the U.S.' National Inquirier!
God Bless Jill and her family.
John
315. Posted by JP Fiske | September 13, 2006 12:42 PM |
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316. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 12:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, I think we'll see whether the abortion story is ludicrous. It sure makes a lot more sense than the ludicrous kidnapping-trance-bomb-shaved head story.
316. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 12:59 PM |
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317. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 1:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JP -
Others on this blog have posted their knowledge of Jill and from their stories an abortion seems right within her character! Their posts were regarded as "irrelevant", so why should we listen to your post? What would you think she would write to you that would confirm the story, anyway? "Hiya John, Things are okay over here. I can't wait to get back to my loving husband! I keep daydreaming about jet-skis and romantic dinners! There is just one thing I have to do before the reunion. I got myself a little problem and I need to get an abortion. I plan to go shopping and then sneak out to go to a clinic in Kant. I have everything planned. Anyhoo...hope your family is doing well. Cheers, Jill"
Sorry but it seems you have been duped by your long time friend. You are just another person on her list of appologies.
Save your blessings for people that need them.
317. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 1:08 PM |
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318. Posted by WizBang Poster | September 13, 2006 1:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
---------VR---------------
Is that you??? I should have taken bets.. If this holds, my theory would have been a winner!!!
---------AF---------------
I checked Stars and Stripes Europe site this morning and it stated that she was abducted.
318. Posted by WizBang Poster | September 13, 2006 1:10 PM |
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319. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 1:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
She should be landing soon at Andrews if she hasn't already. My bet is the AF will charge her soon so that she doesn't run the marathon or go on her honeymoon. They won't want to take the risk of embarrassment if she runs the marathon and THEN the story is leaked, not to mention the risk of her fleeing in Jamaica. Who thinks the honeymoon is off?
Another note - yesterday the af.mil site had her story all over the page. Today nothing. You have to dig to get her story to come up, and when it does it is an article from two days ago.
319. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 1:21 PM |
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320. Posted by WizBang Poster | September 13, 2006 1:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Department of Absolute Truth
666 Demons Road
Suite 666
Washington, DC, 10001-666
Mr. John "JP" Fiske
000 Gullible Way
Anytown, USA
Dear Mr. Fiske:
Your post regarding Major Jill Metzger has been read and acknowledged by the purveyor of Absolute Truth, and has been found to be a true example of compliance with the principles of our great Republic.
Unfortunately, as in all matters of national security, there will be a limited number of non-compliant citizens involved in dissent. Do not let that sway you and your fervent adherance to the Prime Principle - "Truth is What We Say It Is".
Major Jill Metzger, is coming home a hero. Her long and glorious career will remain unblemished. Unfortunately, due to "family pressure" and some long awaited and needed rest, Major Jill Metzger will be retiring to be able to spend more time with her newly established family. We will miss her and all the contributions she could have provided to the 'Cause".
In the words of the famous Bartles & James: "We Thank You for Your Support"
Your "Guardian of Truth" Award is in the mail and should arrive shortly. If displayed on your winshield it will entitle you to a free order of fries at any participating McDonalds or BurgerKing..
Sincerely,
I. B. King
CEO, Dept of Absolute Truth
ps... Ignore any further announcements in the media regarding DNA Testing on the fetus. We all know that third world countries can't be trusted anyway.
320. Posted by WizBang Poster | September 13, 2006 1:36 PM |
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321. Posted by Flytrap | September 13, 2006 1:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G and your multiple personalities. Give it up. Stop slandering this person. You claim to have prayed for this girl. But I see no evidence of God in any of what has gone on here. But I bet that the Ladies Prayer Group or Optimist Club that you B-B-que with have lots of gossip. Maybe they are like most christians that I have known and revel in other people's misfortune. But perhaps you have a motive: "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned." Why spend so much time on this blog. People like myself came here looking for information about Jill Metzger that might help. But what I found was a bunch of resentful people, or perhaps only one with a case of clinical schizophrenia. You and yours claim she is crazy, but what about your efforts and the motive behind your blogging. You have clearly corrupted this site and transformed it into one in which he who says it the most and loudest wins. That does not sound like a free exchange of ideas to me. Or perhaps we should look at your own life, since you find that of Major Metzger so fascinating. But I will refrain from doing so. We all know that when skeletons come out of the closet, that there is often a scarecrow lurking there as well. Woman Scorned!
So I ask you again, consider what you do know.
I have seen a baby pigeon. I had one in a hanging basket outside my house earlier this month. Your metaphor is clearly a fallacy. You must deduce logically the premises in order to come to a valid conclusion. Here you have no premises. You know nothing for certain. All you have is a conclusion that you, for some reason or another, are bent on preaching to the world. This is a "begging the question" fallacy. Your methods are corrupt, unethical, and faulty. Perhaps you are right. But when you start attacking the person and their family, you error on the side of wrong. All we can do is wait. Wait and let Jill Metzger defend herself. In the meantime, go and study a pigeon. Learn about the birth of that pigeon, its trials and tribulations, and its journey to adult hood. Then you can tell me that you know pigeon. Woman scorned, if you still insist on taking this route, we can handle it the old way. Let's step outside.
321. Posted by Flytrap | September 13, 2006 1:59 PM |
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322. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 2:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
FOLLOWING THE ASSUMED ABORTION THEORY
Here's what Jill probably had to go through to get an abortion, if that is in fact what she did, and it may explain why she made a pitstop at the bigger clinic near her base before making her way to the small abortion clinic near the Russian base. I can't speak definitively for medical procedures over there, of course, but I doubt they're much different from here.
1. She probably did a home pregnancy test which was positive. You can buy those at the BX on her base.
2. She would have had to get a confirmatory ultrasound to verify dates of the fetus. Abortions are much more dangerous the longer you wait, and they probably have some kind of cut-off fetal age there just as we do. This may be what she did at the bigger hospital.
3. The abortion took place. She probably figured she'd be in and out the same afternoon and back at her base by nightfall.
Now there are potential complications. If the story is right as we're piecing it together, she may have had a problem that kept her at the clinic for longer than she'd planned.
1. The most common complication is infection, but these don't set in for a few days so wouldn't be a reason for her to have to stay at the clinic.
2. The next most common complication is bleeding. Sometimes after the products of conception are scraped out the uterus bleeds like crazy. Sometimes it bleeds because not all of the products were removed, and they have to go in and scrape again. The blood loss can be SCARY bad and would definitely be a reason they'd keep someone after the procedure.
3. Sometimes the uterus is perforated accidentally during the procedure. The uterine wall can be quite thin in places and the scraping utensils just poke right through. This puts the woman at great risk for infection and bleeding, and if the doctor realizes this has happened he/she will keep the patient for observation and antibiotics.
So perhaps we'll hear that in her anguished and stressed-out state, those mean doctors in Kant forced her to stay against her will, and it FELT like an abduction, but she wasn't thinking clearly so she should be forgiven, and that hair thing, well, you see there were these three men and a woman in a minivan, and....
322. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 2:14 PM |
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323. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 2:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
---------Flytrap
Unless you are 'raising' pigeons, you have fallen into your own namesake.
Pigeons don't leave the nest until fully feathered. The parents build the nest where no one can get to them. Hence, no one (normally) has seen a 'baby' pigeon.
My point is this: Just because there is evidence lacking which would remove ALL doubt regarding the existence of something/someone, does not qualify a statement to be false. In this case - Baby pigeons.. since they aren't a part of everyday life - they don't exist. Which is, of course, a false statement. But - PROVE THAT - to someone who has to SEE TO BELIEVE, and you are out of luck.
You, like John "JB" Fiske, fail to realize that other possibilities exist. My arguement from the beginning has been that the story, as portrayed initially by the "official" US sources, and later by Major Jill Metzger herself, is just not CREDIBLE. It's just to far-fetched to make any sense to a rational person. Like the arguement about the baby pidgeon... They HAVE TO exist. Anyone contending that they don't has got to be playing with an incomplete deck.
So, Mr/Ms Flytrap, I can arrange for you to receive a letter from the Purveyor of Absolute Truth, if that, in fact is what you are looking for. Because it seems that despite the LOGICAL evidence you continue to make an arguement that just doesn't hold water.
So, ONE letter coming up!!
Would you like fries with that? Or do you prefer a free pass to the Looney Tunes?
Let me ask you a question:
What comes to your mind when I mention the name "Albert Einstein".. Genius, Jewish, Peace Activist, Physics, Relativity, Atom Bomb, Womanizer, and a person who practiced Incest. Right?...... Right!!!
You see, most people don't know that good ol' Einstein was a womanizer, that he divorced his wife because he couldn't put up with her 'depression', and that he married his cousin.
So, Jill Metzger, may have some good qualities, but in this particular situation, she has been proclaimed innocent.... because no one has come forward with damning 'evidence'. Well, I'm beginning to believe that you, and others like yourself and ol' John 'JB' Fiske above, would not believe her culpability - even if she proclaimed it herself. It would force you to accept something that your mind is not ready to accept... and you know what happens to people like that?? They go insane FlyTrap.. insane.
So... ta, ta.. Your letter is in the mail.
323. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 2:44 PM |
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324. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 2:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Flytrap: LMAO! I laughed so hard reading your post. Have been off all day, because yes, I do have a life besides coming onto this blog. Did not think I would be reading another blog to me - so be it, I'm popular! Thank You! Woman scorned? hahahahahahah I have been divorced for some time now. Only married 12 months is hardly a marriage. Let's see, I was smart enough to find out soon enough. Long over, great life, beautiful home, own a few racehorses, great family, blah blah blah,,,,,,,and oh yes, I truly don't have skeletons - wait, I stole a jelly bean in a grocery store once, I thought I was trying the flavor, but my mother was pretty upset at me for taking the jelly bean! and ya better re-read my posts because I am certain I never put down her family, or her for that matter. Just posting like the rest here. Multiple personality? hahahahah having fun on a blog - sorry dear, most of my cohorts at my house that day (bbq) were military personnel honoring a fallen friend from Iraq, yes, we were having some fun on this site from stupid posts - such as yours.
Baby pigeon? hmmmmm, Wiz brought that one up and I find him very funny and intelligent and smart - unlike yourself who keeps slamming someone named Deb G. for opinions posted like everyone else does - you are not bothering me, making me laugh actually - I feel badly that you are so angry and this site rattles your chain.....and yes, I have seen a baby pigeon - helped one fly in a barn behind my house when I was about 10 yo. Don't know why I have never seen one since....
Sorry Flytrap, but I will keep praying for Jill and her family because that is what she needs, especially given the fact she most likely made up her abduction, she needs mental help and oh yes, I do, in fact, find her stories pathetic and inconsistent, like the rest of the world does.....Multiple personality? hahahahah do you know the highest military officials and intel and FBI and CIA and DIA and so on use multiple personality techniques to gather information to save your ass from terrorism????? Go send emails to them and posts about it.....and when they dig into a personal life, including past affairs and so on to protect your very freedom, try telling them to go to, wait, what was it you said? oh yes,,,,a ladies prayer grup or optimist club or whatever.....you're pathetic - and who is scorned?????
324. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 2:52 PM |
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325. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 2:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Flytrap: Oh yes, you said step outside? I think that might have been some sort of threat - pray (there is that word you don't like again) you have had some combative training, or knife training or know how to handle a pistol or better yet MP5 or better yet the discipline to know you don't threat a fellow human being and you never use combative unless you truly feel threatened - grow up......
oh, and try some plausible deniability in your life - it might save you one day.....
325. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 2:58 PM |
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326. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 3:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
------------VR------------
Can I call you 'doc'?
What Kuba Kyrgyz certainly has one thing right... and I quote:
"But why on the earth she went to Kant to make an abortion, to that below-any-standards rural clinic? How she could explain that she needed an abortion? No one speeaks English probably there. Or did she hire a translator? Why she was so desperate?"
I've been to some of these clinics for personal treatment. Talk about back country practices!!! Had blood drawn by a lady using like a 10gauge needle.. No precautions (gloves etc).. I had to buy my own syringe... whoa!! scary stuff... That took place in the city at a hospital.. Outlying clinics.. Watch Out!!! I was not at all impressed with the standards. However, there are some pretty upscale clinics there.
Your professional assessment is good to have with respect to the protocol on this abortion theory. Certainly helps me understand more about it and also helps me put it together in rational terms.
326. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 3:01 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 15:01
327. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 3:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In my opinion, that would be exactly where she would go, if, in fact, this abortion theory is true. She would want to go to a hole in the wall clinic so not to be recognized or known. Her very career is at stake if she were pregnant, nevermind married and pregnant.
327. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 3:05 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 15:05
328. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 3:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
DebG:....
Ahhhh... you shouldn't ah'.... thanks for the kind words.
328. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 3:11 PM |
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329. Posted by AF | September 13, 2006 3:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbang Poster,
I was refering to actual military public affairs writers such as on www.af.mil. Stars and Stripes is a commercial press outlet and does not have knowledge of what AF commanders already know and have shared with the public affairs officers. Isn't it interesting that the article you refer to is titled "Major who went missing..." Did she go missing or was she kidnapped? You have to look deeper into what the media is saying by looking at the words they choose and what they are not saying.
329. Posted by AF | September 13, 2006 3:13 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 15:13
330. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 3:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbang: LOL. I want you as my wingman, in my foxhole, and a co-pilot! I knew that would hit the very core of your inner sensitivity....
I'm a scorned woman so BEWARE....(shrug and shake) I get a kick out of that one. I nearly forgot I was ever married, divorced a man who DID NOT want a divorce so how does that make one scorned? Ok, new blog "Where are all the scorned women" Frankly, nowadays, I don't think many scorned woman exist any longer, they have too many other options, excellent careers of their own and TOO MUCH FUN!
330. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 3:55 PM |
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331. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 3:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The abortion theory sounds excellent. I agree with the above post about abortions. Normally, women go in and in a few hours are free to leave with little or no medication. However, complications can occur which can be life threatening and given Jill's small athletic frame, she might have been bleeding heavily and perforated, thus, she had to stay. A high temp can set in as well within hours....someone over there knows where she was....I doubt she slept in the street for those days she was missing....and someone brought her dye for her hair....
good grief, when will this end???? We shall find out soon enough....
331. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 3:59 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 15:59
332. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 4:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
----------Deb G-----------------
"Wizbang: LOL. I want you as my wingman, in my foxhole, and a co-pilot! I knew that would hit the very core of your inner sensitivity...."
Well, sweetness... if you insist on laughing your way through any situation.. I"m the man.. Cuz when you're laughing, there's no time for crying, fearing, or cut and run.. Just kick butt, and keep going..
By the way... you're going down the runway, thrust is picking up... what happens if you don't pull that stick back???
332. Posted by Wizbang Poster | September 13, 2006 4:11 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 16:11
333. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 5:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Flytrap,
In response to your invitation to Deb G to“step outside” I conclude you share similar virtues (or lack thereof) as your friend Jill. Perhaps you should try practicing the virtue of humility to avoid falling victim to the opposing virtue, pride. We would not be “begging the question” on this blog had your friend Jill exercised the virtue of chastity a bit more, but she did not. She did not know how to exercise her virtue of chastity because she had never in her life used it. She married two weeks prior to deploying and found herself struggling in the marathon of cardinal virtues and she LOST to lust.
“Fascinated” with Major Metzger’s life; for my part it is more like not willing to look the other way when atrocious claims of abduction and bombs are used to cover ones own selfish mistakes. Personally, I am astounded that she has not learned from her past and is continuing to sacrifice the livelihood of anyone who might get in the way of her goals. Was her goal in this case an abortion? I do not know and I do not care, I could not possibly fathom Jill’s mentality, nor do I want to try. The cause of her transgression is not my concern; it is the consequences of her actions which concern me. The hypocrisy of Major Metzger administering disciplinary action to troops under her command for offenses which she herself is guilty astounds me. The conditions in which Major Metzger has left for the next rotation of Air Force troops to Kyrgyzstan and troops deployed all over the world is what angers people like Wizbang Poster who has children serving. I could go on and on about why this epic which Major Metzger has created fascinates us and drives us to this blog, but resentment is not on the list.
333. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 5:33 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 17:33
334. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 6:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbang: If I don't pull that stick back - we are going to go very fast, very straight and laugh like silly as we crash into whatever stops us first! Might hit some baby pigeons along the way! Hope they laugh too! However, we are going to kick butt along the way until we can't kick anymore!
Laughing? I have been accused of ALWAYS maintaining a great sense of humor in any given situation - it is what keeps us sane and straight and even focused. To dwell on a terrible situation without finding humor, will leave you, well, most likely dead or in a straight jacket. As the doc said: Humor is the best medicine....
Borat is the father: I'm with you, and thanks for the "back up". I find it informative to come onto this post for many reasons, not just out of curiosity of Jill Metzger's disappearance, but also, to learn of how another country might be handling this, how the military is handling this, how others feel about these posts, curiosity, learning experience. I also enjoy the military comradiere at any time in my life.
I am sure Wiz is both proud of his two sons serving our country yet a part remains cautious on a daily basis of the what ifs. He has reasons to be here beyond our comprehension - finding any information regarding a foreign country possibly kidnapping one of our military, which could have been his own sons is on the list, if a military officer falsely claims of an abduction, it effects any family member, spouse, friend ANYONE with someone deployed with the thoughts that kidnappings might be next on the list for military personnel. It would NOT be something to claim falsely for significant reasons.....
If this were not a false claim, I feel strongly that the media, someone would be talking of THE TRUE STORY by now.....as usual if the story is true.....
While on this board and saying similar things to everyone posting here, I have been wished I were raped, abducted, tortured, even murdered, accused of being scorned (funny one), multiple personalities, etc....and those who are saying these things claim to do this because Jill is innocent until proven guilty, etc...yet you folks who try to maintain someone's character are intent on trying to put someone's elses down and wishing harm done, how twisted is that???? Perhaps you folks are the ones who need to re-evaluate your own characters, skeletons, flaws and mental capabilities and realize this is a blog to express theories on what really happened to Jill....and baby pigeons and yes, stuff like that...
334. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 6:22 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 18:22
335. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 6:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: I hope you don't mind my soapbox style of mentioning your name.....
I have MANY dear friends deployed right now, many of them women. Four of my best friends are in Iraq right now. I maintain contact with them via email and even some phone calls. When this story hit, yes, I was concerned that military kidnappings might be next on a terrorist list somewhere of "hmmmm, what shall we do next for un against Americans"......If Jill's story is indeed false, a strict punishment should follow....
335. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 6:26 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 18:26
336. Posted by DM | September 13, 2006 7:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Borat,
"I do not know and I do not care, I could not possibly fathom Jill’s mentality, nor do I want to try."
You seem to be trying QUITE hard. Otherwise you wouldn't be on this board. If you cannot fathom Jill's mentality then perhaps you should avoid away from speculating about what happened in Kyrgyzstan. Because all of these theories are speculation. You have no evidence that the story is untrue. All you have are the incessant rantings of Deb G and other sick minds who would prefer to think of Jill as a deviant, assuming that she couldn't possibly have been kidnapped, crucifying her now in her time of suffering for things allegedly done four years ago.
The amount of mental illness on this board is astounding. I urge you Borat, Deb G, and all of the other sick theorists out there, to seek counseling as soon as possible. The world must be a very ugly place to you. It didn't take long for you to start judging Jill Metzger and turning her into the worst person possible. Not long to believe in the words of foreign police instead of having faith in one who serves her country in the military. Even if the story that Jill has told is not true, and you have NO hard evidence that it's not, do you really think that anyone is benefiting from your negativity? Isn't the world bad enough without you adding to it? I can only imagine that if you are this way on a blog, you are this way in life.
336. Posted by DM | September 13, 2006 7:12 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 19:12
337. Posted by RS | September 13, 2006 8:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I guess she is not back in the states yet.
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=40022
She says that she ios trying to heal herself mentally......GO FIGURE :)
“Right now I’m trying to focus on healing myself mentally and physically,” said Metzger in a U.S. Air Forces in Europe news release. “I’m healthy and recovering, and looking very forward to heading back to the states to see my family. I appreciate everyone’s understanding in respecting my privacy while I rest and try to get through this.”
337. Posted by RS | September 13, 2006 8:04 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 20:04
338. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 8:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
DM: There is medication for your anger, try to find some. Calling all of us sick minds for attempting to seek answers to a possible military falsity is something that the military is trying to do, the FBI is trying to do, the CIA is trying to do, the DIA is trying to do, Kryg is trying to do, the United States is trying to do, you are obviously trying to do because you are on here....ah geesh, the list goes on - DOES THAT MAKE ALL OF US AND ALL OF THEM MENTALLY ILL? You are a small mind in a small blog who has no idea what you are remotely talking about....I have to say, where is YOUR morality for defending a human being who is obviously most likely, quite possibly, heck literally most likely possibly and perhaps LYING to everyone....yet you defending this possibly lack of moral character is well, alarming - go find a baby pigeon.....strange how people come on here to voice opinions and then get preached to about those opinions. Everyone is this world has opinions DM so go yack at them all and I'll send you a postcard to the mental hospital you are in.....lighten up and see this board for what it was set up for - Where is Jill Metzger? Exactly, for folks to wonder, assume, predict, think about, offer opinions to and so on regarding this very topic.....
DM: I ask a question of you?? What do YOU think happened to Jill Metzger?? Answer that.....
338. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 8:06 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 20:06
339. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 8:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: LOL! How much do you want to bet our favorite officer will be claiming post traumatic stress disorder as an excuse to her whopper in the pocket?
339. Posted by Borat is the father | September 13, 2006 8:12 PM |
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340. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 9:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Borat: yup, I bet she will eventually have to 'fess up to the concocted story, but she'll blame it on "stress" and a "botched medical procedure"(unspecified, please respect my privacy) and weird Kryzg drugs. She's already angling for our sympathy with her statement, and she'll likely get it from a number of people who can't bear to think that a little cute blonde-haired, blue-eyed AF Major could do anything wrong.
340. Posted by VR | September 13, 2006 9:57 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 21:57
341. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 10:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: Well said.
341. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 10:07 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 22:07
342. Posted by WizBang Poster | September 13, 2006 10:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OK.. --------I'm back, anything exciting happen???
Oh... No polls??? I'll do one right now...
Everybody who thinks she (Major Jill Metzger) is guilty say ... Aye!
Opposed?....
Just as I thought... Aye's have it!
Everyone else.. please sit down.. (don't want to offend anyone)
342. Posted by WizBang Poster | September 13, 2006 10:35 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 22:35
343. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 10:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: I love that humor! Don't stop......
343. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 10:53 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 22:53
344. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 11:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Borat: Is this true? a Kazakh man gets a wife by buying a woman from her father for fifteen gallons of insecticide??? Perhaps Borat is the father of Jill's presumed pregnancy...hmmmmmmmmmmm to ponder....he did, after all, have multiple wives, girlfriends and mistresses, and well, a sister....
344. Posted by Deb G. | September 13, 2006 11:02 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 23:02
345. Posted by Intrigued | September 13, 2006 11:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Earlier I was so sure the abortion theory was impossible... Being a female officer and having been deployed, I can't imagine sneaking off to a clinic for an abortion while on a MWR trip. Assuming this is legit because there has no official press release, she must have been desperate to do this. Fear and desperation...
Maybe she was far enough along that her husband would have noticed...she is so fit. But dealing with your husband is one thing...going AWOL in a foreign country intentionally is insane... the bomb report always sounded to me like it was formulated by her to fit what the authorities already knew...what was being reported during her absence.
Do you really think this AWOL was premeditated?
Could she really have thought she'd get back in time?
It just defies logic.
Wonder who was the ex Soviet farm outside Bishkek... boyfriend? Who else could it be?
345. Posted by Intrigued | September 13, 2006 11:04 PM |
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Posted on September 13, 2006 23:04
346. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 12:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Intrigued: it DOES defy logic and it does seem incredible that she would leave her group the way she did for WHATEVER business she had planned. It had to be something very desperate and something she felt she had to do before she left for the States in 3 days. The distance between the department store and where it is claimed she had an abortion is not that great, something like 30 miles? Isn't that what Kuba Kyrgyz told us? If she had an appointment at, say 1pm, she probably figured she'd be done by 3 or 4 and back at the base by 5. But something happened to throw a wrench in her plans: a medical complication? a ride that never showed?
I hope the investigators are leaning hard on the people with whom she went to the department store. I would expect that she told one of them to "cover" for her when she didn't return and to convince the group to go back to the base. Why else would they have left without her?
346. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 12:29 AM |
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347. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 14, 2006 6:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Looks really like, that Jill's had botched up abortion.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4318940
"Our first impression was that the woman was severely drunk ...(but) there was no smell of alcohol and we then understood that she was in shock," Svetlana Ivashenko told The AP.
** The effect of pain-killer drug?
Who had seized her, why and were they had held her all this time, she couldn't clarify," Ivashenko said. "As she told all this, she didn't weep - she just sobbed and held her head." Ivashenko said there was blood on Metzger's feet and that she said she had walked a considerable distance.
"there was blood on Metzger's feet" - as a result of post-surgery bleeding? Looks like she's had her fair share of suffering at the hands of mean doctors and clearly was in a state of mental and physical anguish. She probably showed them bunch of greenbucks, and those mean, ignorant back country botchers just jumped at opportunity to earn some money.
As a person, knowing local situation in Kyrgyzstan, I'd say that I would never, ever go to any of rural clinics in Kyrgyzstan to have even minor surgery. I'd grab a bunch of cash, dine out and court some reputable doctors in Bishkek and, after verifiyng their credentials (some background checks), would offer them some "financial incentive" just to feel confident that doctor is pleased and will do his/her job alright.
Why she did not make an appointment with doctor from clinic in Togolok-Moldo Kievskaja? I'm sure that she would've been treated alright there.
I see here some systemic failure. Something went wrong. Someone, who was supposed to to help Jill out, did not turn up at the place. Someone, who knows local situation, was supposed to help her. Her boyfriend? Ex-pat? English speaking local?
Plan A failed. Plan B turned sour.
She was quickly whisked away afterwards to Landstuhl hospital in Germany on military transport. I'd guess here, that she was urgently treated in that hospital from the results of surgery gone wrong.
I'm not a Sherlock Holms precisely, and my deductions might be wrong. But all the clues point out about surgery gone wrong.
347. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 14, 2006 6:39 AM |
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348. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 7:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba: Bingo! Best theory I have heard yet. When her husband was on TV and he sadly stated "they were SUPPOSED to have romantic dinners and so on and then said he was DISAPPOINTED".....before even knowing where she was...Well, how did he know he was NOT going to have romantic dinners, that she would not be home in time for that vacation and if she were, in fact, kidnapped, he would never had said DISAPPOINTED....that word is not appropriate for a kidnapped wife. Angry, upset, frustrated, yes, but not disappointed.....it is clear her husband already KNEW what truly happened and was obviously calling that vacation off.....
348. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 7:35 AM |
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349. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 7:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba:
Is there no way to get onto the web the video of the doctor who was on your TV the other day claiming an abortion occurred? I wouldn't understand the language, but plenty of others will. Does the TV station have a website?
349. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 7:36 AM |
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350. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 9:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba, your theory is all very nice, of course. Except for one thing. There is no clinic on Togolok Moldo - Kievskaya. The clinic for party bosses that you are reffering to is on a different intersection. Hope that helps with future deductions. :-)
Bests,
Gogi.
350. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 9:26 AM |
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351. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 9:57 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G. My post was not written in anger but concern. There was frustration, but if you read anger, you must be projecting your own into it. You call my defending Jill alarming - are you always so critical of all people who try to see goodness before evil? That is why I am concerned about you, if you take such a negative slant on everything in your life. What do I think happened to Jill? I don't know. She may have been kidnapped. She may have snapped and be ill. She may have found herself in crisis and done something dishonest. I'll wait to see what statement the military makes. But I prefer to have faith in people, especially to have faith and respect for people in the military who serve every day to protect my freedom, until proof is presented that I am wrong. I prefer not to spend my day weaving dirty little stories about people.
Now I have a question for you because I really don't understand where you're coming from -
How do you benefit from saying what you've said on this board?
351. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 9:57 AM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 09:57
352. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
DM: You don't know me, and never will. I am never angry nor bitter, it is not part of my character or fiber. Negative slant on everything? You're kidding right? MANY people are taking a negative slant on the Jill Metzger theory and possibilites - this has nothing to do with MY life, it is what she has done to HER life. Let's see: You just took a negative slant on her too saying "She may have snapped and be ill, she may have found herself in crisis and done something dishonest" - does this mean YOUR life is negative too for taking that negative slant toward Jill's situation?????????
I have a lot of faith in people, born and raised on military basis and yes, in the military myself. I have, however, witnessed acts of less than conduct becoming and DO NOT stand by those military folks who have done this, sorry, my moral fiber, oaths and character do not support conduct unbecoming - if that is what it truly is. Do you know Jill??? If not, then how can you make something positive out of what is being perceived (not just by me, but by many on this board, the media, military, etc...) to be a very negative situation.
Benefit from saying what I said? Let's see: This is a blog - right??? so people come on here to post theories, opinions, comments - right??? well, I am ONE of MANY people here doing that. Just like you - isn't that funny!
By the way: Why are you not posting back to the folks who wished I was raped, tortured, beaten and MURDERED - that sounds PRETTY negative to me and the others who post negative theories and thoughts??????? You are a hypocrit and a real well, piece of work and need some serious help.....when you OPEN YOUR EYES and realize that MANY othes are posting thoughts here, just like me - mostly negative too, only theories DM, don't worry - I am sure NONE of us really KNOW what happened, but it is normal for folks to try to add opinions.....I am doing NO harm to you, nor to Jill - so what is up with your constant badgering and bickering??? and why do you not post back to the folks who have just written the theories, I am just agreeing with them??? You are one sorry individual......
So, how do YOU benefit from saying what you post on this board???????????
352. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:26 AM |
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353. Posted by lh | September 14, 2006 10:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Two newer articles...
Metzger says she was kidnapped from a Kyrgyzstan shopping mall September 5 and managed to escape three days later.
But as Metzger recovers at a hospital in Germany, investigators reportedly are looking at inconsistencies in her story. Her father, retired Lt. Col. John Metzger tells Eyewitness News that his newlywed daughter definitely was kidnapped.
"This was no runaway bride scenario," he said.
Metzger adds his daughter was found with two black eyes and a number of bruises. There is no word on when she will return to the United States.
Stars and Stripes
European edition, Thursday, September 14, 2006
KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — Air Force Maj. Jill Metzger issued a public statement Wednesday, marking the first time she has been directly quoted since reportedly being kidnapped and escaping her captors last week in Kyrgyzstan.
“Right now I’m trying to focus on healing myself mentally and physically,” said Metzger in a U.S. Air Forces in Europe news release. “I’m healthy and recovering, and looking very forward to heading back to the states to see my family. I appreciate everyone’s understanding in respecting my privacy while I rest and try to get through this.”
Metzger is still undergoing the debriefing process at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center where she is listed in “good” condition, according to the release.
“We will continue to care for Maj. Metzger for as long as the debriefing process takes,” said Col. John Collins, Landstuhl chief of staff, in the news release. “She has been through a lot, and we hope she will be able to fly back to the states in the next day or so.”
I think all the Jill bashers out there may soon be quite suprised...and probably quite disappointed that their Jerry Springer fantasies may be just that...
353. Posted by lh | September 14, 2006 10:27 AM |
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354. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:28 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
DM: WHY are you concerned about me???? Aweful nice of you to take concern over someone you don't know LOL I think you should then be concerned about EVRERYONE making negative slants toward Jill then - bless your soul, that is a heavy burden to carry....when you are ready for the REAL world - it might open up for you....
354. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:28 AM |
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355. Posted by doors | September 14, 2006 10:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Question... I have been wondering why it is so unbelieveable that someone would be kidnapped in a public place. Doesn't that happen ALL the time here in the United States? People seem to vanish into thin air...in busy public areas...malls, amusement parks, parking lots, seemingly safe public areas??
355. Posted by doors | September 14, 2006 10:50 AM |
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356. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 10:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb, please calm down. Also, please refer to my original posting to you stating that I thought that what people were saying to you about you deserving harm were HORRIBLE and INAPPROPRIATE. To wish you harm for speaking your mind is twisted and I hope never to run into those people when they've had a bad day.
It's funny that you should accuse me of "constant badgering and bickering" when the number of your posts greatly outweighs mine.
You may not think that you are doing any harm to Jill, but you ARE by encouraging people to turn against her. I AM concerned about all of the people on this board who have taken so much of their time and energy to post such terrible things about this girl. What do I get out of posting on this board? I feel that someone should offer a counterargument. Also she deserves to be defended as I see no actual evidence that she is lying.
Deb, you ridicule me and laugh at me for wanting to care about people and choose compassion. You sarcastically call it a "heavy burden". I don't find it difficult to care - do you?
356. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 10:54 AM |
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357. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
doors:
It's not unbelievable that someone would be kidnapped in a public place. I think everyone's first reaction when we heard an AF Major had been abducted was that it was probably true. But here are the unbelievable elements of Jill's story:
--a bomb was placed in her back pocket
--she was given a note in English telling her to go to a certain location
--she decided to go to the location on the note and followed its orders "as if in a trance"
--she did not alert her friends in the store that anything was wrong
--she was seen on store video leaving by herself and climbing into a taxi
--she paid the taxi driver when she got to her location
--she used a public phone at her location even though she was carrying her cellphone
--no group ever claimed responsibility for the kidnapping or made demands, even though she was supposedly held for 2 or 3 days
--she claims she was put in a dark room and was able to escape by whacking one of the captors who brought her food. She's 5'1" tall, and she hit a male captor hard enough to allow for an escape?and we are to assume she was kidnapped but left unrestrained?)
--the local police made a statement that based on their investigation she had not been kidnapped and found her story unbelievable
--a doctor in Kant has made a statement on TV that he performed an abortion on her
It requires a huge, mighty stretch of imagination to assume she's telling the truth.
And please don't call her a GIRL. She's 33 years old, for God's sake, an Air Force officer and fully responsible for her actions. If she has lied to cover up her own personal transgressions, and lied in a way that hurt the US and hurt the AF and hurt the reputation of officers and hurt the host country, then the truth NEEDS to come out and she NEEDS to be punished. My fear is that she'll be granted sympathy instead of punishment because, after all, she's just a girl. BULL.
What I get out of posting to this blog is the hope that if interest in this story can be maintained, the truth will eventually come out. A lot of people read this stuff, and tell their friends, and interest is maintained. I want to know the truth about what happened. I would be THRILLED beyond belief to find out she was telling the truth all along. Shocked! But thrilled. However, I'm not naive and I'm not willing to give her the benefit of the doubt when her story doesn't add up and the consequences of her actions could have been so severe.
357. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:23 AM |
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358. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba and Gogi,
Can you get the telephone # for the Kyrgyz TV station that ran the spot on the doctor who claimed to have done an abortion on Jill Metzger? Perhaps it's National-Enquireresque, as has been suggested, but perhaps it needs to be part of the story being told here. This phone # might be helpful for US TV stations that would want to run the spot. Pardon my ignorance, but what language would the people at the TV station be speaking? Would they be likely to speak English?
358. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:29 AM |
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359. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 11:40 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To doors:
>why it is so unbelieveable that someone would be kidnapped in a public place. Doesn't that happen ALL the time here in the United States
Because of the circumstances. The mall she disappeared from is always busy, and there are lots of cops there both in plain clothes and in uniform. Not only the mall is busy itself, but its neighbourhood is extremely busy. As I've mentioned before, I've never ever heard of a single kidnapping from TsUM (I've lived in Bishkek for 25 years).
Besides, Major Metzger looks so obviously foreign. a) Kyrgyz are quite friendly people, especially to foreigners and b) any sane criminal knows that our cops will be very ruthless when investigating crimes against foreigners. I am not saying that we don't have any crimes against foreigners - you can be mugged or robbed - but I've not heard of any major crimes. In other words, we are not Chechnya when it comes to kidnappings. Not even close.
I've been hearing so many confusing and contradicting reports on this. I've heard our police people saying that Major Metzger was not beaten. However, today I've heard people saying that they've seen pictures of Major Metzger with bruises and injuries. Go figure.
359. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 11:40 AM |
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360. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 11:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Are there really pictures out there? I haven't heard/seen anything about it.
360. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 11:56 AM |
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361. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 12:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
2 VR
>Can you get the telephone # for the Kyrgyz TV station that ran the spot on the doctor who claimed to have done an abortion on Jill Metzger
There are several problems here:
a. Kuba is referring to a newspaper article that refers to a TV spot. A is saying that B said something about C saying yada-yada. You catch my drift, right?
b. Kuba does not mention the name of the newspaper. I am unable to find any such article in local media (bear in mind that I am searching their web-sites, the TV spot might've referred to a newspaper that does not have a website).
c. Kuba's English translation of the article is not quite consistent. For some reason his English translation has a reference to a spot done by Kyrgyz State TV station, whereas his Russian source does not mention any TV station at all (there is a reference to unspecified TV boradcast, but nothing more specific than that).
d. If it was the Kyrgyz State TV that showed the news, I'd be very reluctant to take the news at face value. Our State TV is not known for objective and unbiased reporting - they broadcast only what our government wants.
e. Contact detail for our Kyrgyz State TV (assuming that they did the TV spot that the newspaper refers to) is this:
http://www.ktr.kg/reklama/en/
Ph.: + 996 (312) 655 570
This is contacts for their advertising branch. I could not find contacts of their News Section. Our TV folks speak Kyrgyz and Russian. I'd say 95% of our population speaks Russian.
f. Contact details for Issyk Ata District Clinic
http://www.directmailservice.ru/link.php?id=648292&action=detail
This is what I was able to find on the web. I can't verify that this information is 100% accurate.
Telephones: +996 (3132) 21311, +996 (3132) 23482;
Where +996 is country code for Kyrgyzstan and +3132 is area code for Issyk Ata.
361. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 12:15 PM |
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362. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 12:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Another thing that I don't quite understand is this:
I can't find references to the TV spot in any of our major media. Had this TV spot actually been on the air, I am sure all other news sources would've noticed that. But I see no references to this TV spot in our major media. None. Zero. Nada.
362. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 12:45 PM |
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363. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 12:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Gogi:
Interesting. Thanks for the info. I cut and pasted the info to our local TV "hotlines", maybe they have a Russian-speaking employee who can look into it further. Sounds like it's a rumor.
363. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 12:48 PM |
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364. Posted by Do-It-Right | September 14, 2006 1:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It appears that the REHEAD INFIDEL has a little agenda of her own... you can read her little exchange
Hey read it here:
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=78919038&f=672198221&m=6640067580001&r=5820070680001
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Sunliner, I hope you don't think I was referring to you when I railed against the conspiracy theorists. I had written that post before I found this discussion here. Actually, I read the conspiracy comments at a news wesbite that allowed commenting on articles (can't remember which now)and a few at FR. That's what ratcheted up my annoyance factor.
I am also irked at the obvious reluctance of milbloggers to pick up this story - it's like they have a "wait-and-see" attitude.
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364. Posted by Do-It-Right | September 14, 2006 1:02 PM |
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365. Posted by Done Right | September 14, 2006 1:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now go and take a look at the site that The Redhead Infidel is associated with:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/EuphoricReality
365. Posted by Done Right | September 14, 2006 1:12 PM |
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366. Posted by william | September 14, 2006 1:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sounds like an affair gone bad to me.....
Her most recent statments to the AP was that "she needs physical and MENTAL rest". I Think she is trying to end a love affair .....I wish her the best either way the truth will eventually surface.
366. Posted by william | September 14, 2006 1:54 PM |
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367. Posted by bill | September 14, 2006 2:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ive banged her......
367. Posted by bill | September 14, 2006 2:12 PM |
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368. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wouldn't a kidnapping victim also be in need of mental healing and rest?
368. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 2:29 PM |
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369. Posted by bill | September 14, 2006 2:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
naaa naaaa jokin
369. Posted by bill | September 14, 2006 2:30 PM |
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370. Posted by Maj F. | September 14, 2006 5:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I am an Air Force Major, and when I first heard the story, I was very concerned for a fellow officer. I imagined what it would be like in the same circumstance since I have been shopping at many shops and souqs while deployed, just like her. I was very glad when she was found, but then my attitude changed after I heard her reported story and other circumstances of her "abduction" and "escape." What ticks me off is this is someone I related to and cared for, and then she talks about a bomb, a trance, and other nonsense. Sorry, the story does not make sense and I feel she betrayed my care/concern for a fellow officer. I'll be surprised if her story is true, but if it is, she didn't react like an officer or any other trained military person would have. If it is not true, well, she should be discharged for false statements.
370. Posted by Maj F. | September 14, 2006 5:07 PM |
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371. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 5:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Up to this point, all we have heard are other people's accounts of what Jill Metzger said. If each word of the accounts is going to be dissected, keep in mind that the people relaying these accounts may not speak English well or at all.
Maj. F. - Not being military myself, I wonder if you would elaborate on how an officer should react if an explosive is forced upon them? What is an officer trained to do in such a situation as Jill was in?
371. Posted by DM | September 14, 2006 5:22 PM |
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372. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 5:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What an officer (or any reasonable person) would have done if a bomb had been placed in her back pocket:
1. Let's be realistic here. What would YOU do if you suddenly felt a strange hand on your butt? You'd yell, whip around, and strike out before they were able to stick something in your pocket. And if they DID put it in there you'd have it whipped out before you could take the time to read about how it's a BOMB on a note. Someone in that busy store surely would have noticed a struggle. She's suggesting that someone put something in her butt pocket, she stood still, then read a note, then calmly and without attracting any attention walked briskly out of the store into a cab.
2. Failing the ability to make a fuss when someone put something into your own pants, take the jeans the hell off and run.
3. Failing that, alert someone in the store that you are in trouble. Friends who were with you. Security guards. Scream. Write a note. Stay put. What kind of fool would have left the store "in a trance", following instructions on a piece of paper? She got into a cab by herself.
4. Her cellphone was on for quite a while after the alleged "abduction". Call the base. Call home if you can't recall the base number. Call your pal. Call your husband who's an OSI agent. Call 60 Minutes.
5. She went to a payphone after the cab ride and placed a call. Again, go through the list of people she could have called and said, "Hey, here's a weirdness, here I am in Bishkek with a bomb in my pocket!"
I think anyone with a particle of common sense would not have left the relative safety of a public place without a fuss.
Seems like the initial information was that she said "two women" asked her for help, and when she went outside to help them she was abducted. But then it must have been pointed out to her that her image was seen on video climbing, by herself, into a cab. So her story changed to accommodate that.
372. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 5:51 PM |
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373. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 6:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_4313410
Today's offering from the Denver Post. Not much more info, but a few pearls of conversation from MAJ Jill. Sounds like her husband is trying to distance himself from the situation:"I'm in the dark".
373. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 6:03 PM |
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374. Posted by Borat is Baby Daddy | September 14, 2006 7:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
An Air Force Officer, or anyone in the armed forces are trained to do ANYTHING within their control to avoid being a POW (or kidnapped). Officers are trained to never give in to demands or threats at a risk of being used as bargaining. You know that little thing about dying for our country? They mean it.
Further, being a Field Grade Officer upon her escape, Major Metzger should have taken every step possible in identifying her abductors to reduce any threat to her the troops under her command.
At the very LEAST, an Officer should be poised enough to thank the host country as well as the U.S. Embassy in the effort to find her. However, she did not. In her only statement she did not even say that she was thankful to be alive and FREE. She told us to respect her privacy.
374. Posted by Borat is Baby Daddy | September 14, 2006 7:43 PM |
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375. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 7:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well this doesn't give us much of an update but now we know that she is on her way home and that the media is still saying that her story is suspicious. The article is from Europe Stars and Stripes.
Metzger on her way back to States
Stars and Stripes
European edition, Friday, September 15, 2006
Air Force Maj. Jill Metzger, who went missing for three days in Kyrgyzstan after reportedly being kidnapped, is on her way home after spending four days in Germany receiving medical tests and evaluations.
The Air Force took Metzger from Landstuhl Regional Medical Center to Ramstein Air Base, where she boarded a U.S.-bound military cargo plane on Thursday afternoon, said Maj. Krista Carlos, a spokeswoman for U.S. Air Forces in Europe. Her final destination is her home station at Moody Air Force Base, Ga., where she will meet her husband.
She has not talked to the media since she reported being kidnapped while on a shopping trip to the capital of Bishkek.
“While she was at [Landstuhl Regional Medical Center], her focus was to heal and recover and [she] really asked that everybody let her do that,” Carlos said on Thursday.
She reportedly told investigators that someone stuffed an object in her jeans and told her it was a bomb before she was kidnapped on Sept. 5. Police in Kyrgyzstan have told reporters in recent media reports that Metzger’s quick departure from the country hampered their investigation. They also reportedly said Metzger gave confusing accounts of her ordeal, leading to speculation over what happened.
375. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 7:53 PM |
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376. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 7:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Did not know a doctor made a statement regarding an abortion.
When I first saw this story break, I felt badly for her, I had fears of friends deployed possibly being set up for a kidnapping spree amongst our military - of women being kidnapped. Yes, it invoked fear and concern for my comrades. However, the bomb in the pocket following a note theory and calls made from her cell phone - DON'T buy it. Kidnappers DO NOT make phone calls from a cell phone of the kidnappee - doesn't happen....
Regardless, point blank: you would certainly have to be gullible and naive to believe this story.
If the kidnapping were, in fact, true, we would have heard details of the location of where she was (like the news started to report in map detail of where she was found), details of her injuries, who had her (according to her words, etc...) and so on.....We have heard NOTHING, which means quite simply - THERE IS NOTHING.....
Funny about Redhead Infidel - she was all over me on this site days ago.....Talk about Agenda...
DM: I am calm, always. I also do not find the need to defend someone I am not sure did not do anything wrong, nor am I sure she did not do something right. I am speculating, assuming (from the completely bogus stories thus far) and theorizing, which people do in order to protect lives, solve terrorist plots, plans and possibilities, etc….How do you KNOW she deserves to be defended? How do you KNOW she is NOT lying?? No, you don’t know and guilty until proven innocent has passed right about now given what she has stated. Her statements came from a military avenue……open your eyes to the story for what it is……and, my posts are not badgering or bickering at anyone, I am participating in theories, speculations and thoughts, like most on here, you, on the other hand, are trying to protect someone you know nothing about……
p.s. Bin Laden needs some mental healing and rest too....
376. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 7:53 PM |
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377. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 7:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
DM: I am starting to think that perhaps YOU are Jill Metzger!! You have to be kidding me? Do you REALLY believe someone placed an explosive device in her pocket? She was SEEN on VIDEO walking out alone and so on, ON VIDEO,,,,yes, the Kryg gov. has reviewed it, U.S. military officials have reviewed it....
If you BELIEVE for one minute that a bomb was, in fact, put into her back pocket then I give you the award of the year for being naive and gullible and frankly, believing something only because YOU want to, because by the sounds of it, Jill does NOT even believe her own story...
377. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 7:58 PM |
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378. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Borat: Exactly. NO military officer or anyone would walk out of a public area with a bomb in her pocket (cough) and follow instructions in a letter. There is training for situations like this....none of which include walking to your captors taxi, or house or clinic, whatever...
378. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:01 PM |
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379. Posted by Borat is Baby Daddy. | September 14, 2006 8:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here is a quick question. Hubby was visiting Germany and from Jill's fathers account they were "happy to be together". Now that Jill is heading back for Georgia, where is hubby? Why hasn't he made public statements? He was superstar all over the news while she was missing. You would think with all the speculation he would make a statement after visiting with her.
Hmmmmm.
379. Posted by Borat is Baby Daddy. | September 14, 2006 8:04 PM |
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380. Posted by Borat is Baby Daddy. | September 14, 2006 8:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lets have a fun wager - maybe lighten DM up a bit to enjoy some friendly banter with us as fellow interested bloggers and not as enemy hypnotists.
Who thinks Jill dyed her hair back to blonde? It was dishwater blonde before, do you think she went for a cute Meg Ryan shaggy platinum blonde? Or do you think she prefers the Alien abduction pixie with Britney Spears Black? Or perhaps she is feeling a little "wild" from her experience and got some red and purple streaks in the black?
380. Posted by Borat is Baby Daddy. | September 14, 2006 8:11 PM |
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381. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 8:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Platinum blonde...I think she wants to feels like she is the shit, though she is just shit...lol
Please don't attack me, just my opinion, and remember I do know her a bit, so I would know. And if you don't agree, I don't really care.
Oops, I'm being mean...soorrryyy!
381. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 8:31 PM |
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382. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 8:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G. and others who "know what they would do" if in the same situation...
As I said in a post, way way up in the chain, there are the things we'd like to think we would do in a stressful situation, and there are the things that we actually do. I've seen people who were trained to do something in a particular situation, practiced that training, and knew what to do, yet... When confronted with the real thing, or close to it, they freaked and went back to primal instinct. Unless someone practices something over and over and over to where it becomes instinctual, when faced with a seemingly threatening situation (remember, fear is based on a persons perception), logic is hijacked and all your best intentions can all go out the window. So, be careful when you say things like, "NO military officer or anyone would walk out of a public area with a bomb in her pocket (cough) and follow instructions in a letter...", because you really don't know.
Also, how do you know DM doesn't know Jill?
"DM ...you, on the other hand, are trying to protect someone you know nothing about... Deb G."
382. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 8:36 PM |
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383. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 8:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just from the AF website....she is home and there is a picture of her. They don't say anything about an investigation. I hope the AF is not saying anything because they want to keep it private, and not because they are done investigating. I also hope that her husband, being an OSI agent didn't coach her to lie in interviews, realizing that her story was wacko. Anyway, here's the link to the article.
Borat--She still has black hair and a very ugly hair do....she must it have it cut...Im sure her "abductors" wouldn't have given her a "style".
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123027125
383. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 8:44 PM |
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384. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mb: there we go with the DEB G. start again. Never claimed to "know what I would do in that situation". However, I have (without getting into details) been deployed, been in situations where I have had to make a life or death decision/reaction, and NO, I myself would NEVER follow instructions on a note with a bomb in my pocket - EVER. That is mute though, she was on VIDEO walking out alone, into a taxi, etc...
and I do know that I would never claim to have a bomb in my pocket....I have no idea if DM knows Jill, but who knows, she might be Jill judging from her posts....
Again, I make theories, opinions and thoughts blah blah blah and I am the one who gets posted to....ligten up folks, simmer down, this is a blog area......smile, laugh, do whatever you want to do.....you defend Jill, lash out at me though and boil over in the process.....this blog has no effect on my life, it has no bearing. I multi task and carry on and stop here to see if there is any new news on this situation and all I see is....Deb G. Deb G. Deb G......getting a bit old......I don't know Jill from Jack but I do know a false abduction story when I hear one and worse yet, SEE IT BY VIDEO....
384. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:50 PM |
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385. Posted by borat is the Daddy | September 14, 2006 8:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LMAO! I don't see any black eyes?
Nice touch with the Air Force clothing. Now she really does look like a little boy - not just the body but the hair too.
385. Posted by borat is the Daddy | September 14, 2006 8:53 PM |
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386. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Her husband is NOT touching her nor walking with her, that speaks volumes. The article does not state ANYWHERE that she was kidnapped or abducted - not once. I guess they are all bad too because obviously the media does NOT believe her story.....
386. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:54 PM |
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387. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Her husband is NOT smiling, strange given that ths should be a dream come true as his beloved wife just returned ALIVE from being abducted, having a bomb in her pocket, etc....the ONLY people who look happy are her parents - as normally would be...
387. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:57 PM |
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388. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now, I have to point out: Her hair, is, in fact, dyed brown/black like the media said, like THEY said they found her. Do you folks who stand by the abduction/bomb theory and feel Jill did no wrong believe that THEY might be right on when they say her story is inconsistent and provide other details??? THEY said her hair was dyed, it is, perhaps THEY are right on the other facts, like the taxi, the video (which have been viewed), the witnesses, etc....
388. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 8:59 PM |
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389. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 9:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"...NO, I myself would NEVER follow instructions on a note with a bomb in my pocket - EVER."--Deb G
Thanks for helping to make my point.
389. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 9:00 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 21:00
390. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey all...been enjoying the banter this week. Probably should've been focusing on my primary job a little more but for a lot of reasons I won't bore you with, this one really caught my attention.
I must admit, I too find this situation highly unusual. The abduction scenario is highly unlikely. I would also argue, however, that while the speculation is intriguing, there isn't nearly enough "evidence" to positively state what exactly happened. Further, it isn't very kind to suggest someone may have cheated on her husband, had an abortion, etc. without having more substantative information. I would strenuously argue that the "high road" would be to go as far as stating something isn't right, but wait for the evidence to come in before determining "guilt" or "innocence." That said, I've been around long enough to understand that the OPS (Officer Protection Society) certainly exists so if this story stops at "Major Metzger wants her privacy" without any explanation what-so-ever, then its time to start raising a stink. If what she said is true (e.g. she was abducted and freed herself) than you can bet that will be talked about, she'll be doing interviews, writing a book, hitting the media circuit, etc. If that doesn't happen, then Maj Metzger misrepresented at least some of the facts. If that's the case, as a field grade officer in the USAF, she has some things to answer for and she should pay the same price any other service member (regardless of rank) would pay.
I will say this...given her current Wing Commander (her ultimate boss at Moody for those not familiar with the position), the right thing will happen. That guy is STEEPED in integrity.
390. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:00 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 21:00
391. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 9:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6, Can you tell me who is the current Wing King at Moody? THanks!
391. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 9:06 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 21:06
392. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mb: there is NO point, there was NO bomb....that is the point, no bomb, no follow instructions. Pretty simple. If you think there WAS a bomb, you need help....
392. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:21 PM |
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393. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Silence does NOT happen following an abduction, bomb in pocket story. The miliary would be sharing details and even most likely have a briefing utilizing media outlets, details would be out.....there is no "she needs privacy".....the military would be all over sharing details of a kidnapping, WARNING others in the area of possible future kidnappings, etc...where the area was it happened, etc...there is NOTHING because there is NOTHING.....
393. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:26 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 21:26
394. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS...it's Colonel Callahan.
394. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:28 PM |
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395. Posted by Maj F | September 14, 2006 9:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Completely agree with SR6. I was asked what I would do if someone tried to shove something in my back pocket in a foreign market...I would quickly turn, grab the hand and object, and depending on the action of the person, snap their wrist and shove their disabled fist in their mouth or simply shove the person and expedite the area. My initial assumption would be I'm being pick-pocketed which I am always warry of in a foreign place AND everyone gets a threat briefing concerning before deployment.
395. Posted by Maj F | September 14, 2006 9:28 PM |
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396. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 9:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thanks SR6, I don't know him though, however based on what you said I hope he will handle the situation in a professional manner, and will hopefully get to the truth.
Maj F, I agree, plus if you are told that you have a bom, you should reported immediatly..I'm sure there were some cops there...you just don't follow the instructions, especially when the person abducting you is not even with you (waiting outside).
396. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 9:35 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 21:35
397. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Her husband is OSI and her father is a retired LTC - do you think the AF will cover for her? and never report the truth?
397. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:39 PM |
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398. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 9:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Her husband is NOT touching her nor walking with her, that speaks volumes." -- Deb G.
It may, or it may not, speak volumes. Instead of always jumping on the negative, let's look at a possible positive scenario (of course, all speculation). The husband has been with her for the last few days. They've had their time together, so the initial emotions of being overjoyed at her return have subsided (plus, he's probably jet lagged and tired). They walk down the stairs, holding hands, to greet her parents. Having been reunited with her parents after quite some time, parents and their child are glad to see each other. Husband steps back to allow his wife and her parents to embrace, and he hangs with his dad. It's quite possible this all just happened, because the picture shows that Jill is just now reaching for the flowers her mom is offering. On and on and on...
I'm not necessarily defending Jill, because I don't know what happened, other than she disappeared and then reappeared. Yes, the story is full of holes, but none of us knows why; however, many have heard the "evidence" (gossip, speculation, etc) and are ready to convict and sentence. Let's not be so vindictive...
398. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 9:41 PM |
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399. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 9:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here is a screenshot from TsUM surveillance video (reproduced in Delo Nomer local newspaper).
Major Metzger is leaving the mall alone, with no visible coercion.
http://delo.ktnet.kg/2006/30/images/0202.jpg
399. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 14, 2006 9:45 PM |
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400. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 9:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No, I don't really think there was a bomb, but you've been acting as though there was one. "If I had a bomb put in MY pocket...; I'm an officer...; I've had training... (AAAARRRRRMMMMYYY training sir!--Stripes), blah blah blah..." You've been so judgemental of folks on here... this is really getting to you, huh?! Sheesh! Let it go...
400. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 9:47 PM |
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401. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS...No sweat! At first, I was a little hesitant to put his name on a blog (I'm new at this and don't totally undersatnd the rules), but I checked the Moody website and his picture and bio are listed so what the heck, right? :-)
Okay, I do have real work to do, but some more interesting things...first...Maj Metzger flew directly back to Moody. That is unusual. Not sure it means anything, but it's unusual. In three trips to SWA, I only flew directly back to Moody when I was traveling with my entire squadron, not as a singleton. Again, not sure if that means anything, but it might. At this point, here's what I'd surmize...Maj Metzger's story isn't totally accurate, the leadership knows it and they will deal with it, but first and foremost, they want to make sure she's okay. Once they've determined the time is right, they'll handle whatever truly happened in the appropriate fashion. What that means to this blog is that things will most likely be quite for a little while on the news front. Just my guess.
401. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:49 PM |
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402. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mb: Are you a lesbian? Can't help but wonder why you keep quoting me but not others on this board. I find you fascinated with me and it is concerning. There is no vindictive here. Seems a lot of folks are trying to figure out what the truth is, as they are entitled to. Does that make all of us vindictive. Reading body language is a huge part of investigative procedures - just in case you were not aware of that.
So, perhaps you have something better to do than defending someone who refused to provide any explanation for what has happened when she most certainly owes that to her country at this point - now YOU defending her and bashing everyone else posting theories leaves me to question YOUR CHARACTER for standing by the bomb in pocket theory??? Did you believe those two planes that flew into our twin towers? If so, why? You never witnessed it, even though videos show it, why say terrorists flew our planes into those buildings?? Why assume Bin Laden was involved, we have no REAL evidence.....I guess you believe that did not happen either....
402. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:50 PM |
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403. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Okay...one more post (smile)...Deb G, There may be some in the USAF who would try and cover this situation (unfortunately, I must admit I've seen it at least attempted). In this case, however, OSI Agent or not, Lt Col(ret) or not, the fact remains, the Wing leadership at Moody is all about doing the right thing. Justice will be served. I would bet my life on them. In fact, in a way, in the past, I have.
403. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 9:54 PM |
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404. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
That is a large bag she is carrying. Enough room to pack some hair dye, change of clothes, even some food....she was prepared...how would anyone put a bomb in her back pocket when that bag covers her back pockets....
404. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:55 PM |
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405. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: Thanks for the info. In time, the facts will come out....I have seen a few cover-ups at USASOC at Bragg....hope it does not happen here...
405. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 9:57 PM |
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406. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 10:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Again, Deb G., you've illustrated my point with a personal attack using wild accusations and name calling. You have no idea who I am, nor what I have done and now do in my professional life, yet you assume I don't understand body language, investigative procedure, military issues, etc. Investigators are supposed to be impartial and follow investigative leads as the "facts" dictate, without making a value judgement on the person being investigated. I'm fascinated with you because you are one of, if not THE, most vocal people on this board and definitely rank right up there with the most negative.
406. Posted by mb | September 14, 2006 10:04 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 22:04
407. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6, As a fellow AF airman (not sure if you are an officer or not), I would never ask you to post something you shouldn't post. I knew I could probably get the info myself but I was being lazy...sorry.
Although I have seen our system fail many times, I have also seen it work. I do believe in the system, and hope that in this case it will work as it should...gosh I wish I was stationed in Moody right now :)
Please keep us up to date with what is going on there. I know that a lot of us here are very passionate about our opinions, but the bottom line is that we all (I think) want to know what really happened; and if Jill was at fault see her pay. I for one hate when Officers get away with crimes while the Enlisted don't (I'm an officer)...I sure hope that is not the case here. Thanks again for the info.
407. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:09 PM |
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408. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mb: excuse my lack of respect for you, but I don't care what you do nor do I respect your constant postings against myself and others defending someone who most obviously has done wrong to her country and to a trust of fellow officers.
I am hardly a negative person. I am stating facts, thoughts and opinions, theories and so on, oh yes, like everyone else....this has nothing to do with being negative. The only person negative here is your attitude and Jill's inability to offer an explanation and ability to attack another country's integrity with a false abduction story, that, my friend is pretty negative stuff....
408. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:11 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 22:11
409. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mb: I have not name called nor made accusations....other than what I see, those are facts, not accusations. I asked you a question - not name called. I also don't think asking if you are lesbian is name calling...I have seen some rather wild and insulting posts against Jill here, none by myself...you are falsely accusing...
You have some problems....pick pick pick, badger badger badger.....kind of funny....
409. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:15 PM |
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410. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 10:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G, no problemo! I totally understand where you're coming from, I just wanted you to know that current Moody leaders won't go for a cover up of any kind.
Okay, since I'm procrastinating so badly, I would like to express a few other things. First, I've thought many times this week about writing to this blog, but didn't until tonight. I'm not sure why I didn't until now, but what I do know is that I'm truly intrigued by how intrigued by all this I am. What I will say is that after reading all the inputs and writing a few of my own, I have a better idea why I've been following this incident in general and this blog specifically. First, I will admit, the fact that she's a talented and attractive officer sparks interest. Yep, I'm guilty...there's a little Jerry Springer even in me. Second, as an AF officer, I'm concerned my Air Force doesn't totally understand what real expeditionary life is like. I don't mean to belittle anyone's contribution, but Kyrgyzstan isn't Iraq when it comes to safety and force protection. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm a little distraught when I see AF members complaining about 120 days in Qatar and Kyrgyzstan when I know other airmen who are doing a LOT more time in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Add in the crazy OPTEMPO the Army and USMC are facing and I get even more concerned about how we (the USAF) portray expeditionary life. Third and finally, I REALLY hate it when a fellow officer makes us all look bad. I am NOT saying I know this to be true in the Maj Metzger case, but as I said in my first post, something isn't quite right with her story and given my experience in the USAF, I'm just afraid it's going to be another bad news story. I know that's not fair to Maj Metzger so I wil leave it at that and just have faith that the right thing will happen in the end.
410. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 10:15 PM |
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411. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 10:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS, glad I could help. Just getting to know the world of the blog and I must admit it is fun. :-) Just so you know, I too am an officer, but with regards to keeping everyone up to date about Moody...I'm not there anymore, but I do have friends still there so I guess I could call. :-)
411. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 10:19 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 22:19
412. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6 was that post for me or Deb G. I guess we are so use to the post being for her we all get confused...lol
Deb G...love your posts, just wish people would stop attacking you. Maybe that way we could concentrate more on the Major.
Anyway, here's a link for local Valdosta news. I guess the Air Force is hoping to release and investigation report soon...can't wait.
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5410733&nav=menu37_3
412. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:22 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 22:22
413. Posted by Brad G | September 14, 2006 10:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Download the full picture from the AF Link site...
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/060914-F-0451J-202.jpg
Now in your browser, enlarge it fully.
Look at the corner of her eye and just below it. You should see swelling and yellow bruising. Folks using real image software can probably get an even better view.
413. Posted by Brad G | September 14, 2006 10:29 PM |
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Posted on September 14, 2006 22:29
414. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: Great post. Yes, we are all intrigued. I am not even sure why, just because noone is saying anything makes it all that more well, intriguing...I also feel foolish because I believed she was kidnapped - until the bomb in pocket follow instruction story...lost me at that point and I felt betrayed for believing it.
RS: I agree! Dang, I am sick of seeing Deb G. this and Deb G. that yack yack yack.....just trying to understand and figure this puzzle out just as much as the rest of the WORLD is....
414. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:31 PM |
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415. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok, not being negative, however, in a desperate attempt to make the military believe her story, she could have made her own eye bruised. I have seen this done before, even captured on video of the person doing this to oneself. Her hair though, she has a VERY nice haircut. It is NOT shaved and is actually STYLED.....ludicrous
415. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:37 PM |
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416. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Also, notice noone is looking at her, noone. Notice her mother's arm and lack of affection or emotion giving her those flowers.....something is NOT right here. They are not treating her as an abducted woman coming home - there is a lack of affection going on in this photo....
416. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:41 PM |
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417. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G, that is the same thing I thought about her hair..it is styled! I'm sure the abductors didn't style her hair. I have also been in Landshtul (not sure how to spell it), and I don't think there is a beauty shop there.
417. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:42 PM |
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418. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 14, 2006 10:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
--------------------Brad P--------------------
Just downloaded and opened in Photoshop... The first thing I looked at was not the eye, nor the Major, nor Mom & Pop...
I don't think that "Jack and Jill" will be going up any hills in the near or distant future..
I'm sorry, I'm no analyst, but what I see in that guy's face isn't joy and relief to have his bride back.
Man I really feel sorry for him.. if anyone is having to endure a tough time... he is. (That is of course, if all this 'speculation' turns out to have some credence)
418. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 14, 2006 10:47 PM |
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419. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: I have been to Landshtul too and I don't recall any styling shops. Perhaps they cleaned up her hair upon arrival there, who knows, but it is not shaven. What I notice the most is how sullen and frustrated and not very happy her family looks, her mother's face, lack of affection in her arm when giving her daugther flowers upon arrival, like she does not want to really touch her. I can guarantee FBI, CIA, military, etc...are evaluating these photos.....
419. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:49 PM |
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420. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 10:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS, I've never been to Landstuhl so I'm not sure if there is a beauty shop there, but it's only like 10 KM from Ramstein AB and there is DEFINITELY a beauty shop there. Further, Landstuhl is part of the KMC (Kaiserslautern Military Complex) which is effectionaly referred to as "Little America." :-) Bottom line, it is possible she got her hair styled there. Not saying she did, just saying its possible.
Deb G, to me the lack of affection may or may not be telling, after all it's just a snapshot in time. Now, add that in with other factors (e.g. how silent her husband and his family have suddenly become) and you might have something. What may also be telling is the lack of any Wing represenatives in the picture. Again, may be nothing, but I can't help but consider it as part of the circumstantial evidence collection.
420. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 10:50 PM |
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421. Posted by b | September 14, 2006 10:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Husband and father are looking to their right. She has earplugs still in. BDU's are apparent on the edge of the photo - a hand is in a relaxed motioning/guiding position. Probably speaking and getting attention of Type A individuals to gain crowd acceptance. Looks like everyone is being moved. Mom and Jill are still preoccupied. Person to the right is perpendicular. Controlling or a guide.
Simple enough, the crowd is being guided and all are in a period of transition from the plane to a vehicle. Seems very likely since you see the aircraft guidelines or aircraft ground equipment location markers on the tarmac at their feet. I wouldn't read very much into a photo that was probably taken moments after de-planing. Everyone is mentally busy and not in naturally relaxed positions - don't read personal reactions into this one.
421. Posted by b | September 14, 2006 10:50 PM |
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422. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: You're on it. I did not even think about lack of Wing in the pic.
b: not to negate your opinion, but that to me makes it even worse. If she just de-planed then her family would certainly be smiling and hugging and such upon her arrival. It would be a normal reaction. The lack of all this is suspicious of a much deeper situation than an abduction.
Gosh, this blog has me fixated and curious....
422. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 10:54 PM |
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423. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS,
Yes, I know that there is a beauty shop in Ramstein and I'm sure there are plenty in Kaiserslautern, I'm really familiar with the area. However, with all the debriefings, how would she have time? I feel that the dad is the only one showing affection, but I don't think we can come up to many conclusions from this. Who knows what was going at that particular moment (that one second). Everyone being quite though, says something...
423. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 10:55 PM |
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424. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 11:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6, my last blog was intended for you. It wasn't from me to me.....lol. I'm not that desperate....addicted to this blog YES, but not desperate :)
424. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 11:02 PM |
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425. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS,
Sorry about that. Wasn't sure if you'd been to USAFE or not. My bad! :-) It's just that since Landstuhl is an Army hospital, I've run across a few USAF types who didn't realize it was so close to Ramstein AB (I didn't know that myself until I was TDY to Ramstein). Regardless, point taken...highly unlikely she had time to get to Ramstein to get her hair done. Ahhh, who knows.
b, Also point taken. You may be right, but I gotta admit, I'm with Deb G on this one. First, if there was an affectionate moment, the PA folks would've gotten it and used that pic instead. When I returned after my second trip to Iraq, PA took a picture of me and you couldn't tell who I was because my wife was hugging me so tight.
Deb G, I'm with you. I too am fixated on this. Is it really my business? No, but geez I want to know what REALLY happened. Kinda like the second gunman on the grassy knoll. :-)
425. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:02 PM |
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426. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: LOL. I hear ya! The folks I work with at Bragg are fixated on this too. Gosh, you should hear some of the theories and some of the disgust of this situation. Yes, coming from fellow Officers....If she is not telling the truth, this is going to make the military look bad - very bad.
426. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:05 PM |
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427. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 11:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6 and Deb, I totally understand about the picture, and no one from the Wing being there really makes you think. Where were they anyway??????
427. Posted by RS | September 14, 2006 11:05 PM |
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428. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: LOL, at first I thought you were talking to yourself....
428. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:07 PM |
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429. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G, If it turns out she wan't truthful, there will be hell to pay on many levels. That said, if you think this is going to make the MILITARY look bad, try being in the USAF. We're going to take crap for this for YEARS to come! :-)
429. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:07 PM |
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430. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: Perhaps Wing is getting ready for media and punishment mode....coming down on the truth and did not feel it appropriate to offer a cozy, snuggly homecoming before they punish....
That would be like shaking your hand before shoving the knife in....
430. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:09 PM |
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431. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G, I think you've identified what you Army types refer to as the most likely course of action. :-)
431. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:11 PM |
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432. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: Yes, unfortunate, but guilty by association. Hopefully, for this kind of situation, maybe it will not effect all of the USAF, but realize it for what it is, an individual mistake....If her fellow comrades, the ones who went to the mall with her KNEW or were involved, then that is just one more problem for the AF.....having been born and raised Army, in the Army, Army family, etc...I don't associate by guilt. It is NOT fair to the honorable ones.....
432. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:12 PM |
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433. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 14, 2006 11:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
------------SR6--------------
Ever since I left Central Asia, specifically Bishkek, I have been going to Google at LEAST 3 times a week and going to Google News... I was floored when I read it.
Not only because of the whacked report, but because I knew the store, the city, the bus station, Ganci, etc.. Everything that was being described -
But, to your point.. YOU WOULD BE AMAZED how many people from all over the world are following this for one reason or another...
Like all of you 'die-hards' ... I haven't bought Maj. Jill Metzger's abduction story from the beginning. That is what makes it so captivating for me, and at the same time.. I have this hollow feeling inside, that despite how things are all 'fallling into place', we may never really get the truth.
433. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 14, 2006 11:13 PM |
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434. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: Exactly........
434. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:14 PM |
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435. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 14, 2006 11:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Gogi:
Hi Gogi, it is nice that you are here. That particular clinic, I mentioned, is in a few minutes of walking distance from Togolok-Moldo Kievskaya? Intersection of Kievskaya-What street was that? I got treated there a few years ago.
Haven't been living in Bishkek for a while, started to forget street names.
Regarding that TV news, I have asked for further info from the kyrgyz lad, who mentioned it, via email. Let's see if he comes back to me with something more specific, which TV station was that. Until then, hold the horses.
Gogi, I am just big fan of Russian "What, where, when" TV program, if you know what I mean. Just like to reverse engineer reality. But I mentioned earlier, I am not Shelock Holmes, my deduction might be wrong.
About Kyrgyz folks being friendly, interesting thing.
The Russian internet forums were in mostly jocular mood about Jill's getting kidnapped. They expected her a) having an affair with Kyrgyz lad, riding horses on mountains (this happened few years ago with French woman, everyone thought she was kidnapped first) b) Smoking Chuy valley pot
When I was visiting Moscow few years ago, lads in passage way approached me asking if I could sell Chuy valley pot to them, seeing my asiatic appearance. Funny, that not everyone in Moscow knows where's the heck Kyrgyzstan is, but everyone knows Chuy valley.
Weird stuff, why not they presume that I would be of other Asian stock, say Buryat, Kalmyk, Chukcha or whatever. No, Russian lads in Moscow recognize unfailingly in me ethnic Kyrgyz or Kazakh and ask for Chuy valley pot.
435. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 14, 2006 11:20 PM |
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436. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbanger, Folks around the world are really clamoring for more information? Any idea why? What are they saying? I hadn't considered that. I guess because of the total lack of reporting in the States, this had died elsewhere as well.
Another rather odd point to consider....there is very little media coverage. You gotta really dig to find anything. Heck if it weren't for this blog (which I am now officially addicted to) I wouldn't know anything! :-)
436. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:22 PM |
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437. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Quote regarding intel: We cannot predict the future, but we can guess. And we do every time we brief the enemy's most likely or probable COA.
Now, not saying Jill is the enemy, but we can GUESS at what MIGHT have happened and the bomb in pocket is certainly NOT my guess.....
437. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:26 PM |
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438. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: The media usually has situations like this completely mapped out, detailed, where she was, who took her, (which they actually did start to do immediately following the kidnap theory because they were tracking her cell phone and where she was found) etc...like you said, nothing...
438. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:30 PM |
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439. Posted by YaThink | September 14, 2006 11:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To b
Your conclusion on the photo is correct. Not reliable because any of the scenarios given could realisticly cause the same reactions among all parties.....
While no one has mentioned rape, it is always an underlying perception when allegations of abduction/kidnapping are made.....Husbands and Fathers often face serious difficulties in relating to the victim....anger, fear, self-doubt, self-hate, on and on....Not to mention the horror for the victim
I don't believe a word of the Major's story, but will give the evidence its proper weight.
To everyone who is guilty, and you should know who you are, STOP GETTING PERSONAL...For the number of people claiming military experience, certainly officers, military courtesy seems sporadic at times
439. Posted by YaThink | September 14, 2006 11:37 PM |
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440. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just a tiny correction for those of you zooming in on the "homecoming" photo. The old guy with his arm on Jill's shoulder is NOT her Dad. That must be her step-dad, the retired OSI agent (just a guess). Her dad is behind him on the right.
Pretty small gal to be gobsmacking a kidnapper and running to freedom.
Do you think she'll be allowed to run in the AF marathon?????
440. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:39 PM |
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441. Posted by Karen K | September 14, 2006 11:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
All supposition aside, there's only one person that knows exactly what happened last week and so far, she's not talking. In the picture, she has obvious old bruising--probably a week or so old, judging by how yellow it is. Yes her hair is somewhat styled--but we can only see one side of it now and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that she had time to get it fixed. Also, her husband and father in law seem to be looking in the same direction, towards the BDUs at the left of the photo. I also was in ROTC with her for a brief time and I honestly don't think she is, shall we say, imaginative enough to come up with something like this. Hopefully there will be a news release explaining it more thoroughly because I know I still have some questions but overall, I'm glad her family has her back.
441. Posted by Karen K | September 14, 2006 11:44 PM |
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442. Posted by YaThink | September 14, 2006 11:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR, if she HAS fabricated this and the AF allows her to run in the marathon.... I'll let it go with 2 comments:
sometimes JUSTICE is spelled JUST US...
and double standard = anger = loss of morale = loss of discipline = more casualities
442. Posted by YaThink | September 14, 2006 11:53 PM |
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443. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thanks in particular to Kuba Kyrgyz and Gogi for their contributions. It's amazing to be able to get info from "the scene of the crime", keep it all coming. I love being able to see the video surveillance image noted above. I, too, was struck with the size of her shoulder bag. Why would you bring a gigantic bag like that SHOPPING? She had stuff in there that went beyond her AF ID and some souvenir money. And who's that waiting for her just outside the store??? Why-- I do believe it's SANTA CLAUS! Now we know why she felt so comfy leaving the store on her own, without alerting her fellow airmen!
443. Posted by VR | September 14, 2006 11:56 PM |
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444. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If she did fabricate this and the do let her run the marathon, that would be a recipe for a really uncomfortable situation. Can you imagine...recently returned form "abduction" AF Major finishes as #1 military female (her finish last year). Youch...the press would have a field day and keep digging until they had the "facts". Not a pretty sight for anyone involved.
444. Posted by SR6 | September 14, 2006 11:58 PM |
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445. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just wanted to say thanks to those of you providing humor and insight. I enjoy reading these posts! I admit, I am addicted to figuring this out and hope the truth comes out soon so I can get some sleep - 4:30 a.m. comes around way too quickly!!!
445. Posted by Deb G. | September 14, 2006 11:59 PM |
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446. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
---------SR6---------------
Clamoring? Strong word... I'd say Shadenfreude..
But, that's why I believe it's going to be important to 'do the right thing'. I really hope that this guy Callahan will do it.. that is, get to the bottom of it.
China, Russia, Uzbekistan, and others don't want us there. Kyrgyzstan 'extended the lease', and the ink wasn't even dry yet, and along comes Happy Hanna claiming abduction.
1. American abduction in Bishket
2. American MILITARY abduction
3. American Female Military Abduction.
The Kyrgyz Government doesn't really need THAT, and certainly doesn't need the US Military 'abducting' prime suspect Happy Hanna, thus tying their hands in the investigation.
I can imagine that all the other 'stans' are looking at this as a political victory of sorts... when they start telling Kyrgyzstan... I Told ya' so....
446. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:05 AM |
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447. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 15, 2006 12:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba,
The clinic is on Kievskaya - Logvinenko, one block (250m) to the east of Kievskaya-Togolok Moldo intersection.
447. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 15, 2006 12:09 AM |
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448. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 12:10 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbanger: Totally agreed! I don't think some folks understand the total impact this is going to have against the US if she is lying.
448. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 12:10 AM |
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449. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 12:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Not to be negative, but the abortion theory sounds like a possibility. She was there for 4 months. Gets pregnant possibly after 1 or 2 months there and the time line would be perfect for an abortion possibility.
449. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 12:13 AM |
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450. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G------------------
What good are ya' gonna be in any 'foxhole' if ya' don't get your sleep..
(Sung to the music of Pink Floyd - The Wall)
450. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:18 AM |
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451. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 12:32 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey folks: great reads (expect for the bickering)
just a few points:
BLUF: I don't think the story is legit
- the latest pic: the older man putting his arm around her is not her dad... its her chaplain. Dad is in the background.
- I know Jill from college but haven't stayed in touch very much since. That said: when I knew her, she didn't fit the mold of some the stories that I've read here...BUT... she has gained a reputation in my AF alumni crowd that would support those stories. Reputations, quite frankly, are important.
- I don't know what happened in Kyrgyzstan but based on what has been reported, I believe Jill was either dishonest or stupid.
- Finally, the pic taken at Moody: unless we got a view of the entire situation (off picture), we are just speculating. Kind of like when the media takes bad pics of politicians they don't like... this might have been the case here. On the other hand, it was an AF picture so you would think they would want to do the "happy homecoming" story.
451. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 12:32 AM |
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452. Posted by just curious | September 15, 2006 12:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just a thought: her head really was shaved and she is wearing a black wig ... or ... her hair was dyed and cut so bad that they gave her a wig anyway ...
452. Posted by just curious | September 15, 2006 12:50 AM |
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453. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 15, 2006 12:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS
"Borat--She still has black hair and a very ugly hair do....she must it have it cut...Im sure her "abductors" wouldn't have given her a "style".
"
I seem to remember US news agencies reporting that she was found roadside, with her hair shaved off.
Hmmm. Weird. Kyrgyz police reported her hair being dyed dark.
And VR,
My source of info finally replied me.
"Привет Кубаныч!
То был канал НТС,а вот число не помню."
The TV channel the news was on is NTS - it is a Bishkek News station (Gogi, correct me if I am wrong, or is that a National wide TV station?)
I am not in Kyrgyzstan, unfortunately, or I would've visited that particular clinic in Issyk Ata district or Kant town, or whatever, just out of curiosity.
Gogi, can you do me a favor? Can you help out VR get a video tape digitized from that TV Station.
I am sooo busy busy at the moment.
453. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 15, 2006 12:54 AM |
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454. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 15, 2006 1:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba, NTS broadcasts are limited to Bishkek. They no longer broadcast to regions outside Bishkek.
NTS used to present anti-government views, but now they've become increasingly pro-government. Our current government is not particularly friendly towards Americans (diplomats expelled, spying accusations, etc.) - President Bakiyev is leaning more towards Russia and it would not suprise me if Kyrgyz government media or government-friendly media come up with anti-US materials.
__________________________________
Contact details for NTS:
http://www.nts.kg/about.php?link=adres
NTS News Room:
+996 312 512357
I have friends among local journos and I will try to come up with more details on the TV spot.
454. Posted by Gogi from KG | September 15, 2006 1:20 AM |
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455. Posted by another thought | September 15, 2006 2:40 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Man in the Pic.....,.Not Her chaplain from Moody...he's a young guy. Possibly, Bill Rhoades, retired chaplain/family friend from Tallahassee whose wife died the day Jill dissappeared.
455. Posted by another thought | September 15, 2006 2:40 AM |
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456. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 2:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
another thought- you are correct. I wasn't clear but didn't mean to imply base chaplain.
456. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 2:52 AM |
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457. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 15, 2006 10:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Facts about Jill Metzger:
10. Drove an old pick-up truck with a bumper sticker reading “I Ain’t Skeered”
9. Chews Tobacco
8. Lived (and owned) a single-wide trailer in Tucson, Arizona
7. Is married to someone that resembles her brother
6. Is a NASCAR fan
5. Is “country”
4. Takes romantic first-dates to pool halls
3. Makes a fashion statement by pegging the legs of her oversized athletic pants
2. And now, finally, has the coveted femme mullet she has always wanted
I think from the facts listed above, Jeff Foxworthy may now add to his list: (drum roll please)
“The number one reason you might be a redneck if…you were deployed to Kyrgyz and staged your own abduction to avoid having sex with someone you are actually married to”
Sorry…couldn’t resist. I have been away due to work and the fact this case is a little personal to me and I was finding maybe just a bit too much entertainment in watching Karma unfold before my eyes. However, last night I was out with some business partners and the topic came up. Knowing I had been in the AF, they wanted my viewpoint. I basically said I didn’t want to comment too much because I was a bit personally biased. The general consensus was confusion to the fact Jill has not been punished yet and there is a perception she might get out of it. Civilians usually assume that military is held to a higher standard. How do I assure them the military values and demands integrity when someone who has called this much attention to themselves is allowed to make a statement “respect my privacy”????
As much as I look at this case objectively and read the news theories as well as the theories on this post, I can not help but think the abortion theory is too out there. I don’t know something about the marathon makes me think Jill would never allow herself to get pregnant. If you are determined enough to train for a marathon, you aren't going to forget to take your pill or insert your diaphram. Something Jill once so eloquently said to me: “I don’t come second to no one” (yes, direct quote to include the actual misuse of the English language). Here is an interesting fact which most of you probably already know; Jill finished second last year in the AF Marathon for females. I would bet she was not willing to do that again. Perhaps she didn’t get as much training in as she had hoped while deployed. Kuba or Gogi (this is a long shot) – but is there perhaps a “drug” district in Kant where one could purchase erythropoietin (the blood doping drug, EPO)? She was scheduled to go on a honeymoon after the marathon and drug tests in the AF are random anyway. She would have had enough time for the drug to leave her system. Just a hunch people, don’t crucify me!
As far as her possibly telling the truth - I suppose there is always a CHANCE that someone could be hypnotized, but I would have expected a different response than the statement she gave. First of all, she did not say anything about being happy to be free and alive. I would have expected her to help authorities in finding the kidnappers to limit the danger to the troops serving in her place. I would have expected a little bit more (especially from Jill) "I am superwoman for escaping...aren't I the greatest person ever? Did I mention I have won a few AF Marathons? All my comrades should be thankful to have a hero like me serving with them" There wasn't too much gloating in her statement. Remember the second (or 3rd) AF Marathon she ran when she compared herself to Lance Armstrong??? I can get the link to the article if you need it. I remember thinking "how dare you compare yourself to a CANCER survivor...how arrogant ARE YOU?" My mother died of cancer and to have her think she was anything comparable to Lance Armstrong was appaling and a slap in the face to all cancer survivors. So, my point is that if she HAD indeed escaped an abduction, we surely would have had her compare herself to Jessica Lynch or Robert C. Ode.
457. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 15, 2006 10:03 AM |
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458. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 15, 2006 10:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://afmarathon.wpafb.af.mil/articles/2004captain.shtml
Here is the article - just shows that she isn't interested in privacy when she has something to gloat about. Not sure about a Lance Armstrong/Jill Metzger saga...more like a Jennifer Wilbanks/Jill Metzger saga.
458. Posted by Happy Civilian | September 15, 2006 10:09 AM |
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459. Posted by VR | September 15, 2006 10:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy Civilian:
The EPO theory is interesting. Odd, though, that she would take the risk of leaving the big shopping center. If she knew where she could get EPO, seems funny that she wouldn't have arranged for someone to BRING it to her at the department store.
She does seem quite fixated on that marathon. It was one of her first statements to her parents when she contacted them, that she still wanted to do the marathon. Taking the abortion theory further, and YES, THIS IS EVIL THINKING BUT I'M JUST MAKING A CONJECTURE HERE, could she have had an abortion BECAUSE of the marathon? Maybe the pregnancy WASN'T the result of an affair, maybe it was her husband's baby, but at 18 or 20 weeks was going to make her way too ungainly to run a marathon. Inconvenient.
459. Posted by VR | September 15, 2006 10:18 AM |
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460. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 10:31 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR:
I thought that as well, but two things.
1. She looked/looks almost emaciated, hardly 4 months pregnant
2. If 4 months pregnant, she would have already had to reduce her training and therefore would not be at peak performance by this Saturday
I will research it if I get some time today - or if anyone else knows. For blood doping, athletes can either inject EPO OR get autologous transfusions which do not require hormones, but do require medical equipment...this is done A WEEK prior to the event. HMMMMM. Perhaps she was doing this somewhere? She couldn't exactly give herself a transfusion in a tent. She would have had to give her own blood prior to that - so I wonder if she made another "shopping trip" a month ago to donate her own blood and made it back in time? I am sure with the training she was doing she met up with local athletes who might have had an "in" somewhere. Maybe this time she wasn't as quick and didn't make it back before her face was all over the news. I know the theory is far-fetched, but she seems way too disciplined to get pregnant. Not to mention her permiscuous past...if it were going to happen, it would have happened long before now.
460. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 10:31 AM |
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461. Posted by VR | September 15, 2006 10:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy,
Again, very interesting conjectures. However, I just can't imagine there's a big EPO market in Bishkek, and can there possibly be a set-up for autologous transfusions for this kind of thing??? The blood would have to be stored in controlled conditions...She would have had to have MAJOR connections there to get that kind of thing done.
It is certainly a mystery.
Let's not forget where she wound up, in Kant, 30 miles away, in different clothes.
461. Posted by VR | September 15, 2006 10:42 AM |
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462. Posted by Annoyed Taxpayer | September 15, 2006 11:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
1. The "bomb in her back poket" theory came from a statement from the local Bishek police. Is it possible that there could be a misunderstanding of nuance in the translation betweeen "bomb in her back pocket" and "bomb in her backpack"?
2. Is it possible that if Jill were "slipping away" to go have an abortion/meet a boyfriend/whatever, she wouldn't walk out the front door? BTW, how does anyone ascribe "coercion or no coercion" from that grainy photograph taken from the back? Are you seeing what you want to see?
3. About the "boyfriend/abortion" theory: When would she have gotten off-post to have trysts with said gentleman? No one is allowed to leave the base without a group and without military transportation. So how would she have carried on an affair with a "Russian pilot"? And *cough* - has anyone actually seen a Russian pilot lately? They ain't eye-candy - is all I'm sayin'...
4. Wouldn't it be unusual for a woman to lose total control over herself for a Russian pilot or a "local Krgyz lad" within a very short amount of time of arriving at that base? When would she have met such a man? When would she have carried out her trysts? As Deb G. speculated, she would've had to meet him pretty early on in order to get pregnant and plan an abortion - or as Happy Civilian posited - contract an STD. Since Major Metzger was a newlywed, what would you have to speculate to believe that she couldn't control herself around a butt-ugly Russian pilot or "local Kyrgyz lad"? Nymphomania? Hey - there ya go. Throw that into the sexual speculation pot.
5. Have you noticed the lurid and tawdry sexual gutter talk almost everyone here has a penchant for? Folks are almost gleeful about it. The dirtier, the better.
6. Is it possible to wonder about the story, yet withhold judgment until the facts are in - without resorting to lurid sexual deviancy theories about a female in uniform? I think not. This blog proves it.
7. Major Metzger's chain-of-command will not allow lies and untruths to stain the reputation of their unit and the AF. You can bet that when they make a statement, it will be the truth. Wouldn't it be prudent to wait until they have done so before vilifying and sullying their military officer who heretofore has served honorably? Is prudence and wisdom too much to ask for here?
Look, this is the bottom line: it's one thing to wonder about what happened - and it's quite another to OBSESS over it. Some people on this blog are well and truly OBSESSED, as you can see by the frequency of their posts. I can't help but wonder if they are congnizant of how petty they appear, based upon their willingness to believe the most venal things about someone they supposedly don't know. And their willingness to construe the most mundane of details into evil motives. "Examination of body language" - ha! Everyone knows you can't examine a photograph of people in motion - a millisecond frozen in time and cropped and framed by the photographer - to mean anything. No professional would expect to glean anything from it. Y'all are seeing what you so desperately WANT to see.
Hey look, for those of you for whom the shoe fits and feel the need to get all defensive...
Don't bother to respond with "Gosh, it's just idle curiosity - nothing more." No. Idle curiosity doesn't require dozens of posts per day.
Listen up. I'll say this once and then I'm getting the hell outta here - I feel the need for another shower - with some heavy duty exfoliation. You can all whine and cry about me when I'm gone.
I'm embarressed by all the co-salled "military officers" on this blog hashing and re-hashing the minutiae of this case. You guys are a bunch of salacious gossip-mongers. Worse than Desperate Housewives. Ick.
I'm also angered that you all seem to be doing so on the taxpayers' dime. As a taxpayer who pays your salary, I say, "GET BACK TO WORK, ya lazy bums!" No more gossip and slander for you! At least not on the MY dime!
462. Posted by Annoyed Taxpayer | September 15, 2006 11:12 AM |
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463. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 11:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Annoyed Taxpayer:
Well said- enough said.
A few things about the military folks on the blog (I'm an AF officer myself):
- many were well spoken, some not. Some had great insight, some have become (self admittedly) obsessed. A few (like me), I'm sure, are posting while not at work. I flat out don't have time or interest... hell, for that matter, I don't even have my own office (I fly). Right now, its Friday night a little after midnight, so with the exception of the abuse that I'm putting my eyes through in all this computer time tonight, I'd say I'm free and clear of defrauding the taxpayer.
I get what you mean, though.
Bottom line: I liked your message.
463. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 11:26 AM |
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464. Posted by VR | September 15, 2006 11:28 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Is it possible to wonder about the story, yet withhold judgment until the facts are in - without resorting to lurid sexual deviancy theories about a female in uniform? "
Well yes, it's POSSIBLE, but how interesting would that be? And why on earth did you come on to a blog in the first place if you weren't hoping to hear conjecture? With all of the deviant conjecture we've been doing, we STILL haven't topped the "bomb-in-a-pocket-react-in-a-trance" story. And there are many, many AF officers out here who get their salaries outside of the government, so rest assured you're not paying mine.
464. Posted by VR | September 15, 2006 11:28 AM |
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465. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 11:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok... there is an example of another good post VR.
witty, logical and slightly combative but not offensive.
I stick by my first thought: Jill is either stupid or lying. Or both.
(why do I suddenly feel like a gay male cheerleader because I told two folks that I agreed with them? Man it's getting late... maybe Oprah is on).
465. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 11:37 AM |
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466. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 11:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Annoyed...
You are probably already gone, but just to clarify:
I never thought she had hooked up with a Russian Pilot. My speculations were someone on the base. The affair/std thing was my opion simply because what I know of her makes it more possible than a "bomb in a pocket/backpack". Although - remember, it was a SHARP object, how could she feel it was sharp if it was in her bag? Sorry, obsession again. And I am not in the military, my salary is large and gives a considerable donation to taxes and I am on my lunch break. : )
466. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 11:41 AM |
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467. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 11:44 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: Had 4 hours of sleep last night. While in Pakistan a few months back had approx 3 hrs per night - used to it I guess. I have a feeling that if I was in a foxhole, you'd cover my back while I nod off for 10!!!
Wig theory is excellent. I am sure they would have helped her clean up a bit especially since that is important for her self esteem/confidence...
467. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 11:44 AM |
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468. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 11:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-----Annoyed Taxpayer---------------
The bomb in the back pocket? You have a good point. I shoulda’ thought about that one!! YEA!! Backpack makes more sense!!!.. MAKES more sense because then… when I got outside I coulda’ tossed it and be done with the situation!! Wow, you are... like so, so.. what's the word..... brilliant!!! YEA, that's it!!
Slipping away.... (ALL the doors/exits to that building are "FRONT doors" They just empty out to different parts of the building) .."coercion or no coercion" Well, you got me there!!.. But, then again – if the bomb is in the back PACK and not back POCKET, makes this a mute point.
Abortion/boy friend… For STARTERS!!!! I am the one who started the ABORTION theory.. and I never said it was a local.. Tent city is a great place to get something going with someone!! Think of it as a camping trip if you will. People in those situations can be very creative, very, very, creative.
And to your last point.. Lazy Bums, etc… I’m not active duty, but if I were, as I have been… We ‘Active Duty Folks’ are paid on a 24/7 clock.. That is we are always ‘working’. Ya’ see, an active duty person can be on their way home, be home, be at a picnic, on vacation, or anything considered “off” time – and be called back at the flip of a dial… MOST civilians don’t have that schedule. We/they, just don't have the luxury of saying... "No war for me today, it's my day off!!"
So, as much as it pains me to have to say this… don’t you have to be at the office today? So, git, already.. go on.. git!!!
Oh, one more itsy, bitsy, tiny detail.. active duty people pay taxes too.. Just thought you might wanna know that.
468. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 11:51 AM |
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469. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 11:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Annoyed taxpayer,
DId you know that us military folks pay taxes too? Just making sure, but anyway, although I'm an Air Force Officer who put 8 years of active duty, now I am serving my time as a Reservist. Obviously not on duty right now. So NO, you are not paying my salary right now. Maybe when I go to serve my days you will, and then I won't be posting here.
I do not like the fact though, that I could go and die for you...that thought makes me sick, but if the time ever comes I'll just think of the nice americans who do respect the military...for them I'm willing to give my life :)
469. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 11:53 AM |
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470. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
------------correction---------------
MOOT point..vs mute point...
Musta been thinking about the annoyed taxpayer
470. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:01 PM |
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471. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 12:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I know, let's have someone shove a note into Jill's AF PT pants that says to go to wizbangblog.com and tell her story. Maybe we can induce a trance or something.
471. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 12:05 PM |
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472. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 12:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ...LOL! Why do I feel like I know you?
I can predict Jill's post now:
"Deb G, did you put a note in my back pocket?
I personally know Jill, because I am Jill and she is a super person, so believe anything she says! You see wha wha what happened was..."
I think I see a season premier of the Ali G show with Jill guest starring in the near future.
472. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 12:12 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 12:12
473. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 12:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The AF is small world, you never know. I haven't been stationed at ETAR but I've been there quite a bit.
IKJ aren't my initials... it stands for "I Know Jill"... (although she didn't have a bad rep when I knew her but that was a long time ago).
473. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 12:18 PM |
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474. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
------ikj------------------
WAAAHhhhahahah!!!!!!!!
No way! Not ME!!! I wouldn't touch THOSE pants for half the taxes in Annoyed taxpayers Pockets..
Maybe....... just maybe, there's a possibility to send her an email and have it work just the same:
EMAIL TO: Jack&Jill@Yahoo.com
Dear Jill:
This email is set to induce trance-like state in 10 seconds.. Report to Wizbangblog.com and comply with all our demands for the truth.
Sorry for any inconvenience this may impose on you or your family.
Sincerely,
The Lazy, non-taxpaying, obsessed with the truth people at above stated website.
In the words of the Immortal Bartles and James: We Thank You for Your Support
474. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:18 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 12:18
475. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 12:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If we CAN get a vol for the note shoving, maybe we can eliminate one of the possibilites. (blood doping, hormone treatments et al).
Whoever shoves the note, will need to do a sausage check. I am not available btw for said mission.
475. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 12:24 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 12:24
476. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 12:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
with that disgusting thought, its time to raise the handgrips on this for now. I'll check in later for the latest.
476. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 12:28 PM |
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477. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 12:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ - I figured that is what your alias stood for.
Think her bad rap started at DM ('99 is when I first heard of her bad rap from a friend at Aviano)and her rap followed her to Korea and then Spangahlem/Ramstein.
For anyone taking offense, I would never talk about someone's reputation online if she had not put herself on the news. Up unitl a week ago I wasn't even thinking about this girl.
477. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 12:32 PM |
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478. Posted by happy | September 15, 2006 12:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ:
I would volunteer the ex, but I think he is out of country : )
Although Annoyed Taxpayer seems fairly sexually frustrated...
Just KIDDING
478. Posted by happy | September 15, 2006 12:37 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 12:37
479. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
UNCLASSIFIED
1300Zulu 15Sep06
Msg #05984ZT0231
Subj: Call for Volunteers, Mission "Truth Trance Dance"
Volunteers are requested for OJT while on TDY to Moody AFB. Hostile Fire Pay, Dislocation Allowance, and Special Uniform Allowance will be allocated with approval from SOCOM.
Please ensure that all personnel actions and forms are up to date and completed prior to movement.
Sausage check will be performed upon completion of mission.
End of Msg.
479. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 12:38 PM |
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480. Posted by Snoop | September 15, 2006 1:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Inquiry to Special Duty:
After reviewing Mission details and specifics of subject (studied subject picture included with volunteer request), I have concluded the need for additional deployment supplies: A large dose of performance enhancing drugs (Viagra), a six pack...no a case, no a KEG of Amstel Light and an amnesia causing drug immediately after completion of the mission.
V/R,
Amn Snoopy
480. Posted by Snoop | September 15, 2006 1:17 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 13:17
481. Posted by Over the Hill Jill | September 15, 2006 2:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi People...
Thanks for the email.. It really worked - I mean I went into the trance thing again.. and it was like the email said... 10 seconds.
Sorry that I couldn't get in here earlier. You just would't believe what I've been going through... OH!! That's right, redundant on my part.. you don't believe it!
Well, I don't blame you, I can't believe it either.
It was like... like nothing I've ever experienced before. The high was just so overwhelming. Yea, I've won a couple of marathons, and that's great.. but THIS!!!
I am like really at the center of the universe right now. (Armstrong eat your heart out baby).. I mean we are talking INTERNATIONAL recognition. Of course, I don't expect you to understand, how could you? After all, the huge gap between my personality and yours, well you know.
So, I am ready to answer all your questions. And you know me... TRUTH is my middle name! So just fire away.. Oh, before we start, anyone happen to have some hair dye with you? They'll be looking for me soon over at Moody.. gotta have my story straight for them when I get back..
481. Posted by Over the Hill Jill | September 15, 2006 2:48 PM |
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482. Posted by Jill's Daddy | September 15, 2006 3:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jill,
First things first because we all know the important question here.
Will you be able to run the AF Marathon on Saturday?
(crossing my fingers)
482. Posted by Jill's Daddy | September 15, 2006 3:08 PM |
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483. Posted by Jill's Mother | September 15, 2006 3:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jill Darling...
Did you like the flowers that Borat sent for you?
Now tuck in your shirt, dear. Shoulders back, chin up. Have you gained weight? You do not look good, Jill. I told you never to cut or dye your hair. Now look at you. I will take you to my stylist and we can having matching pixies. But first, your Father wants you to run in the marathon and you must not upset him. Do you hear me Jill? You must not upset your Father.
483. Posted by Jill's Mother | September 15, 2006 3:16 PM |
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484. Posted by SR6 | September 15, 2006 3:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You know...I didn't have anything to say so I was just going to visit today, but after Annoyed Taxpayer's message, I'm going to chime in just 'cuz! I really get a kick out of the whole "I pay your salary" routine. Gee thank you so much. Since my life is worth more than what a Major makes and more importantly the lives of my troops are worth more than what they make, can we renogiate prior to our next deployment to a combat zone for the purposes of defending our collective freedom? Just wondering why you get so mad about a few military types taking time to type on a blog, but you don't get upset when we're working 16-20 hour days, 6/7 days a week in a combat zone.
Oh yeah, and for the record, I'm typing this on MY time, on MY computer. Just wanted to set that record straight.
484. Posted by SR6 | September 15, 2006 3:27 PM |
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485. Posted by Justine | September 15, 2006 3:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jill,
Can I get my hair back?
-Justine Bateman, 1985
485. Posted by Justine | September 15, 2006 3:28 PM |
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486. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 4:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6
Great post. If I may, I think a lot of "military" types are "obsessed" with this topic due to the perception the tax payers have of the military i.e., "I pay your salary"
Major Metzger represents the military and the "Runaway Bride" title would have "annoyed taxpayers" putting stereotypes on Officers - especially the female type.
For what it is worth, having been in the civilian work force for a few years now I am constantly amazed at the lack of tolerance and misinformed judgements some civilians make of the people serving their country. However, those that take the time to be informed and educated about current events understand our military is stretched thin,over-worked and under paid. Trust me, there are many. They truly appreciate those serving and never forget to send me a "Thank You" email on Veterans Day (as corny as that might sound); they would never be ignorant enough to think anyone owed them for "paying" their salary! It is because of the small percentage of ungrateful and uninformed people that I worry about the implications of Jill's actions.
I would also like to add that I am IMPRESSED by the amount of Military (officers and enlisted) that are not accepting this story as it was told. It proves the core value "Integrity" is still taken seriously and as one of your core values, you are not willing to sit back and let it be destroyed by a tall-tale.
Getting off soapbox now.
486. Posted by Happy | September 15, 2006 4:13 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 16:13
487. Posted by Right on Time?? | September 15, 2006 4:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
How dare they confuse people who are truly POW/MIA AGAINST THEIR WILL w/ this story. What is going on??? Here is the article. Write the news people at the address below if this infuriates you!***************
Today is National POW/MIA Recognition Day. It was established in 1995.
But some airmen at Moody are proud to have a day that unites everyone who has ever served in the military to honor their fellow soldiers. "Having a day of recognition gives us that chance to focus one day, all the way from commander in chief down to the youngest airmen on what that means to us," says Chief Master Sgt. Joseph Lovett.
This day hits close to home at Moody.
Major Jill Metzger, stationed at Moody, returned home yesterday after disappearing in Kyrgyzstan for three days.
Feedback: news@walb.com
487. Posted by Right on Time?? | September 15, 2006 4:50 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 16:50
488. Posted by Angry Reader | September 15, 2006 5:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Per your article on National POW/MIA Recognition Day; don't you think it is a bit premature to compare Jill Metzger to a POW/MIA? Isn’t a Prisoner of War someone held captive by the enemy during war? Major Metzger was not in a war zone, nor was she held captive by any recognized “enemy”. If your comparison is based upon a Prisoner of War definition which her situation falls under if in fact her story is true, then wouldn’t she be labeled as a deserter if the investigation reveals her story is fabricated? My understanding is that the Air Force has not concluded the investigation; therefore, no official statement has been made about Major Metzger’s disappearance. I think it is a bit presumptuous to compare her to true heroes at this time.
488. Posted by Angry Reader | September 15, 2006 5:09 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 17:09
489. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 5:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Right on Time...
Thanks.... here's the site....
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5414012&nav=5kZQ
suggestion:
I sincerely wish to inform you that not all Active Duty and Retired service members share your opinion. To put Major Jill Metzger into the same category, or to even mention her name within the same context which is used to commemorate Prisoners of War and those Missing in Action, is a gross injustice to those who for whom this day has been set aside.
Sincerely,
489. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 5:18 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 17:18
490. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 5:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And who do they choose to become the unwitting little participant in their little piece.....
Chief Master Sgt. Joseph Lovett
Not many will fail to stop at the end of the quote and recognize that the paper added the rest of their little "glory to our little girl story"................ but will attribute the entire piece to the poor Sarge.
Heaping Mounds of Whale Dung!!!! How low can you go???
490. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 5:32 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 17:32
491. Posted by FJ | September 15, 2006 5:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here's the link to the local newspaper. She returned to Moody last night at 6:00pm.
http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/
491. Posted by FJ | September 15, 2006 5:41 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 17:41
492. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 5:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WOW, great posts. Annoyed Taxpayer is annoying. That post was so out in left field I am not even going to bother to answer...
All I know is: I certainly would want a bunch of you in a Foxhole with me!
Wiz: You always make me smile when I read these blogs...
492. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 5:55 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 17:55
493. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 6:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Maybe there is so much silence from the Air Force because they could possibly be gearing up for Jill's punishment phase. Normally, AF officials would offer some type of press conference of her return, the situation, etc....There has been NOTHING. I have a feeling the AF already knows the truth and they are trying to figure out how to handle it as it truly does have a reflection to the entire world at this point of military conduct....
493. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 6:06 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 18:06
494. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 6:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G:------------------------------
I don't want to be a bear of bad tidings.. BUUUUUUUTTT~ This move by the local paper is a fantastic example of what the media is all about.
IT just so happens.... that they put the article in for POW/MIAs, it just so happens that the poor sarge is an unwitting 'accomplice' (Enlisted???), and in the game of chess.... CHECK!
494. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 6:18 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 18:18
495. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 6:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jill,
Honey, I am so disappointed that we will not be able to have romantic dinners together and have that honeymoon time. Seems you took it with someone else while gone. Did you think he was me?? I know, I know, you want your privacy - ok ok, no please don't fall into a trance while I am talking to you, wait, Jill, don't run now, there is no taxi for you out there! It's all about you as it always has been. Why did you not throw the bomb away or alert someone - I know I know, you were in a trance, calm down.....
I have a question: Do you still love me?
495. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 6:21 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 18:21
496. Posted by R.O.T. | September 15, 2006 6:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This has to be having some effect due to the fact that the local articles re: Moody POW/MIA ceremony are deleting their references to Major Metzger.
496. Posted by R.O.T. | September 15, 2006 6:27 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 18:27
497. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 6:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-------R.O.T.------------
You saying papers are removing refs or sites are removing refs, How Copy?
497. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 6:35 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 18:35
498. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 6:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh My! They really took out her name from the article. I read the article about 1 hour ago and it mentioned her and now her name is gone. Not sure how many of you e-mailed the station but I did. I also asked them to please stay on top of the situation in the hopes that they would find out what the real story is. Anyway, here's the article as it reads now.
September 15, 2006
Valdosta - In Valdosta, hundreds of airmen gathered at Moody Air Force Base to honor the men and women who were prisoners of war and are missing in action.
Today is National POW/MIA Recognition Day. It was established in 1995.
But some airmen at Moody are proud to have a day that unites everyone who has ever served in the military to honor their fellow soldiers. "Having a day of recognition gives us that chance to focus one day, all the way from commander in chief down to the youngest airmen on what that means to us," says Chief Master Sgt. Joseph Lovett.
This day hits close to home at Moody.
498. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 6:45 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 18:45
499. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I emailed in. That was a disgrace to include her at this point...
499. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:05 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:05
500. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 7:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think is awesome that they listened to us. They most have because otherwise her name would still be there. Hopefully we created enough commotion to get them curious to find out what really happened.
500. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 7:08 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:08
501. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: I feel important! I wonder when the media is going to start asking questions of their own. Strange, very very strange......
Voices can be powerful when reputation is at stake. I own a couple of racehorses and an ENTIRE site of well, "horesey" people got together and slammed a bunch of politicians last week and the HR503 bill ended up being passed to stop horse slaughter. I know this is off topic, just showing what the site could do when we worked together...
501. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:23 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:23
502. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 7:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Holy Flying Flatfish!!!!
That... is progress... (I sent TWO emails)....
OK... let's get on with the next thing on the agenda... Uganda.... Somebody get on the phone with the UN.. We want that crap down there stopped NOW!!! OR Else...
(I don't think these people know who they're messing with).... Fire up those afterburners........
502. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 7:40 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:40
503. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz, ah my Wiz.....
Perhaps an email to ah, what his name in China will make him stop his nuclear progress...
In all seriousness, ya never know, our emails might have reached the right person at the right time and others might have written in as well. However, here is MY theory (smirking). I speculate that a co-worker or co-workers at the paper read the article and said something to the tune of "WTF do you think you are writing! You can't possibly link Jill Metzger with heroes, POW/MIA honorees - are you kidding me? Take that crap off there!"....
503. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:45 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:45
504. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 7:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
---------Deb G-----------
Get the damn kevlar on woman... let's get going..
Cuz when you're laughing, there's no time for crying, fearing, or cut and run.. Just kick butt, and keep going.
Com'on Lady... I don't have all day ya'know!!!.
504. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 7:45 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:45
505. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
left right left right left right left right left right left right left right!!!!!
505. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 7:51 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:51
506. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 7:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Man I am telling you........... When all this is ova' - we are all getting together.. I'll have a box of cubans, somebody bring the beer, and we are having ourselves a party.... (Regardless of the outcome)
I haven't had this much fun in a long time... Probably because this is the first real "action thriller" on-line killer that I've been involved in...
Well... may a couple of boxes of Macnudos... BUT I"M not buying the beer..
506. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 7:53 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 19:53
507. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Email to Santa: Send more presents
Email to Bin Laden: Stop terrorism
Email to Pope: Stop all the killing done in the name of God
Email to Jill Metzger: Tell us the truth!
507. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:00 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 20:00
508. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: I'll buy the beer.....beer it is.....
and the wine and the peanuts and the lobsters!
508. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:01 PM |
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509. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: Seriously though. I would not doubt if our emails had something to do with it. I sent one!
509. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:03 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 20:03
510. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 8:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb, I'm right there with you. Who knows if the e-mails had something to do, but the thing is that her name is out, and that they now know that there are a lot of people out there wanting more info on the case.
You guys are cracking me up though. I'm just trying not to spend my whole night here...we'll see how that goes..lol
Wiz, I'll bring the rum :)
510. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 8:11 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 20:11
511. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: I was supposed to meet friends in Charleston, SC tonight and I stayed on this site instead! JUST KIDDING! I will head down there tomorrow instead. I have to tell you folks. A friend of mine, Air Force Major - pilot and I were talking today. He was in a school with Jill and stated she had a pretty bad reputation for her personal life being less than honorable. He never speaks poorly of anyone but completely agreed that what she has done is a disgrace to the AF and the only reason he could see SILENCE right now was that they might be preparing for punishment. He feels they KNOW what happened, but are not talking right now and are scurrying to try to save their butts from looking TOO BAD....
511. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 8:25 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 20:25
512. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 8:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb,I was talking to a friend of mine about it today, and we were thinking the same thing about the AF. Maybe they are quiet because punishment is coming her way. I also went to the Moody website today and they didn't have anything on her. AGHHHHHHH! not knowing what is going on is killing me...lol!
512. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 8:44 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 20:44
513. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 8:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Does Shaw AFB ring a bell to anyone here??
513. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 8:44 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 20:44
514. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 9:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Never been to Shaw...is there something going on there? Why do you bring it up?
514. Posted by RS | September 15, 2006 9:00 PM |
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Posted on September 15, 2006 21:00
515. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Some good friends at SHAW!
RS: That is my presumption. They must know what is going on and are figuring how to deal wiht it publicly. An explanation is owed to the public......and to Krygastan and to the military....
Yup, we have become obsessed. Amazing what the human mind does to FIND OUT INFO. Kind of like slowing down or running to the scene of an accident to witness human tragedy - just a magnet for the human mind to KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON....especially something this international....man if the AF can be this quiet right now, imagine what the government and FBI, CIA, DIA, etc...can hide???? spooky. I am starting to believe in all those alien abductions. OH MY - I just had another speculation!! Perhaps after the AF moved their mountainside offices, which maintained alien contacts they disturbed the little people and they took Jill for retaliation and dumped her on the side of the road because they felt she was too skinny.....hmmmmmmmmmmm
515. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:04 PM |
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516. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 9:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just wondering. I have a VERY GOOD friend who works with the Personnel people there...I was thinking about getting in touch with him to see if he can provide me some info... He would be privy to some info we can't have.. but.. I'll have to think that one over..
516. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 15, 2006 9:05 PM |
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517. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: Come on, get on it - you HAVE to get that info.....put on that kevlar!!!
517. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:19 PM |
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518. Posted by Intrigued | September 15, 2006 9:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I feel sad for people when they lose their way. I don't know her at all and I don't believe her story...haven't from the first time I heard it. I was hung up on her having a boyfriend (one of her "friends in town" that she was reported as having--except I thought it was an SF guy, not a Russion pilot or local man). Regardless, I digress...I just feel bad for people when they are lost. I believe we make our choices and we live with the consequences of those choices, but whatever her story she is suffering right now...and her family is suffering. I thought (and maybe still do) that she was just arrogant enough to think she could have a few hours alone with a "friend" and something went wrong. Because of her choices, she couldn't come clean and come home...maybe she was attacked, maybe she was hurt...or maybe she was just scared to death that she was all of a sudden AWOL... what do I know? I'm so surprised at myself though that I am so hooked on this though... I'm going through there in a few weeks, so that probably makes it more real to me also.
And yea, as a female AF officer, I'm furious that all of this is going to reflect on my country, my service, my gender... what was she thinking???
This post was more about me than her, I guess. Just my thoughts...
518. Posted by Intrigued | September 15, 2006 9:23 PM |
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519. Posted by SR6 | September 15, 2006 9:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey Guys! I'm away for a few hours and look what happens! :-) Geez, we need a chatroom.
With regards to silence...a couple of things...if the USAF is going to punish her and NOT allow the "I'm a victim" card to be played, they'll talk just like the Vice Wing Commander at Moody did when he was quoted upon her arrival (e.g. we're glad she's home, her well being is paramount at this point, etc.). Further, the fact that it was the VICE Wing Commander may also be telling in that it will be the Wing Commander who will be the officer who handles whatever mess may be out there. Admitteldy, it could also be that the Wing King was TDY (he's gone A LOT since he has units at other bases) so we don't know for sure.
WIth regards to Shaw AFB. Shaw is the home of 9th Air Force. the 374th Rescue Wing at Moody belongs to 9th Air Force. I think what Wizbanger is referring to is that any action taken at Moody will have to be ultimately blessed at Shaw. Am I close?
I'll be checking in periodically. Don't have a party with out me!! :-)
519. Posted by SR6 | September 15, 2006 9:35 PM |
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520. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Intrigued: Your thoughts are NORMAL.....I believe so many people are having them right now, especially military officers as I think most (including myself) believed her story in the beginning of being kidnapped (the bomb and instructions threw me after that).....
She IS lost and that is sad and she should get help, however, she is NOT a civilian travelling in a foreign country. She has a certain moral responsibility and code of conduct, etc.....and this will reflect poorly. However, I do believe that people will see it for her OWN mistake and hopefully not determine or speculate that the entire military runs this way. Now, if NO explanation is offered in the media, by the military or even from her, then THAT is more of a problem then possibly falsifying her abduction....
520. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:35 PM |
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521. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: Party? We're buying the beer, wine, lobsters and peanuts (peanuts?) so ya better not be gone too long!
521. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 9:37 PM |
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522. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb---
I just left Charleston a few months ago... I probably know and flew w/ your friend there.
522. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:09 PM |
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523. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Maj. Scott B (forgive me, I don't feel it appropriate to post the last name), but you would know if you know him....have been chatting with him all night! Good guy...
523. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:12 PM |
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524. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think I do... at least the Scott B. I know is in the 300th AS. I'm Jeff D. (was in the 300th, 16th and then CP Chief). Tell him hi.
524. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:15 PM |
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525. Posted by SR6 | September 15, 2006 10:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G,
Oh, I'm here. I just don't know what to bring. Oh, I know...I'll bring the margarita fixins. :-)
525. Posted by SR6 | September 15, 2006 10:15 PM |
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526. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ikj: oh my Scott D. B?? Is that the right one you know.
526. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:34 PM |
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527. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SR6: You're back! Yummmmmm I'd say we're having a party in here tonight!
527. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:36 PM |
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528. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ikj: Scott D. B is in the 16th sos....
I promised myself I would be in my hot tub tonight and I am still stuck on this site - obsessed!
528. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:39 PM |
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529. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm not sure what Scott D B means. I might know him. There are, however, over 600 pilots at Charleston and about 60 of them are majors. I probably know him (or know of him) unless he is new to Charleston . No worries either way.
529. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:43 PM |
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530. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ikj: what the heck, it is not harming anyone, his last name is Berndt.....Scott D. Berndt
530. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:44 PM |
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531. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I left the 16th in May. I was attached since I worked on the wing staff so I'm not surprised if his name isn't coming to me. The Scott B. I was thinking of originally is in the 300th.
531. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:48 PM |
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532. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just told him you said HI (via text message), he did not know a Jeff D. Looks like you guys might have missed each other....
532. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 10:51 PM |
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533. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 10:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No, I don't know him... probably would recognize him though. The C-17 world if funny in that you can be in a squadron for a while and never meet all of your peers because you are always gone. And since he's a Major also, I'm assuming he's an AC or IP and thus the chances of of flying on the same crew go down. I just checked him on the portal and see that he's in the 16th safety office... I think he moved in there after the post deployment "shake up" in Feb-ish.
Tell him I miss the Moose... he'll get it.
533. Posted by IKJ | September 15, 2006 10:53 PM |
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534. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I was the CP Chief it that helps.. Roy took over for me. J. Scott H. and Patrick W. were my deputies.
534. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 10:55 PM |
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535. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 11:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ: I don't really know many other players in the AF down there. I am Army. Scott and I have known each other for a long time now through our families....good guy.....I will down in Charleston with him and crew tomorrow for some beach time and stress relief....
535. Posted by Deb G. | September 15, 2006 11:02 PM |
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536. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 11:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No worries. Enjoy Charleston. Well, it's lunch time where I'm at so I'm outta here for a while.. check in later.
536. Posted by ikj | September 15, 2006 11:18 PM |
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537. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 12:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
But, the whole story might be altogether different. After drinking bottle of vodka, and smoking a Chuy valley pot, one could come to the following conclusions.
Maybe Borat, Ali G (played by Sasha Cohen, the guy from England) knows the truth? :) Let me tell you the story in his style.
First, Kant was offered by Kyrgyztan to US to deploy their airbase. After some considering
US refused to take up the place. (The places name sounds absolutely like C*t word.
Just imagine news in media on the front-pages “US airbase has been stationed in C*nt.” I would presume some embarrassment militaries would have had, when asked where they are stationed by their family.
But no harm was intended by Kyrgyz folks. Our officials do not speak English mostly.)
And Jill Metzger was found near Kant. Yes, precisely. Just imagine news in media hitting the front pages “Jill’s been found near C*nt, where Russian airbase is stationed. “ See here, subliminal message to the world from US?
Allegedly, Putin asked Kyrgyz folks, what does Kant in Kyrgyz mean? It means sugar in Kyrgyz language. So Putin’s reply was “Wow. Russia’s military was in bad shape. But, things are getting sweeter from this point. We are now sugar coated; just wait for the times we’ll be coated in chocolate.”
As earlier CGB suggested, it could be just the Cloak & Dagger game between US and Russia behind the backs of naive Kyrgyz folks. It is like probing someone’s air defense systems by entering someone’s airspace, and playing cat and mouse game. The story of Jill Metzger is absolutely bizarre and abortion theory has its faults.
537. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 12:53 AM |
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538. Posted by Borat is the Daddy | September 16, 2006 1:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi everyone! I have missed some serious fun tongiht I see!
Had to check back in - I was away all night at a wine party. Hence the broken grammar. First, kudos to all that wrote to the news. Check Mate...although I have a feeling it was AF Public Affairs that contacted and say "ummmmm, yeah, not so much the hero...could you kindly remove all references to Major Metzger from the POW article?" At any rate, lets keep it going until we get a statement. And a little BTW if anyone cares...the general public has already assumed she is guilty and in jail. I brought it up tonight and most people were like "what are you talking about...that crazy girl was arrested over a week ago". So you see, the AF might be slow...but they are not dumb. There is NO WAY she will come out of this w/out telling the truth. The more we push, the more we push local news to push, the more this will not just go away.
538. Posted by Borat is the Daddy | September 16, 2006 1:53 AM |
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539. Posted by Borat is the Daddy | September 16, 2006 2:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba:
So my original theory is correct! Jill Metzger can't get enough C*nt (closet lesbian theory). It was right before our eyes all along.
539. Posted by Borat is the Daddy | September 16, 2006 2:05 AM |
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540. Posted by Bored to tears | September 16, 2006 4:49 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Man this is just too funny. I was at Manas last year and I was home on leave this weekend and my mom was telling me about this Major getting kidnapped in Kyrgyzstan. Well, there were only two places we went shopping at while i was there, Tsums and some outdoor market. I was worried at first because that outdoor market is a pretty big place and alot of little alleys (or whatever you'd call them in a bazaar) and yeah it would be pretty easy to snag someone there quickly and without alot of attention. But then hearing it was at tsums it raised the red flags. Too many people. And to judge the relative safety of this place, i saw 9 and ten year old girls hanging out there by themselves on their way home from school, and regardless of nationality, parents are protective of their kids and wouldn't allow them to go to a dangerous place like that by themselves. Being that Kyrgyzstan is a former Soviet territory, its fairly certain to say that the people there are very Russian in their protection of their children.
Then the whole bomb in my pocket story. Here is what I noticed that I'm not sure if anyone else has hit on. If she wasn't aware of someone putting the bomb with the note in her pocket (someone mentioned if you felt it you would have automatically turned to find out what was happening) how did she even know the note was there? Strange.
I don't even want to begin to speculate on what happened. For some reason Manas always seems to bring out the worst judgement in people. Maybe its all that wild Opium seeds blowing in the wind there. For you guys down here at Charleston, you probably can remember last years Manas scandal involving another Major. Anyway, its early and I just got off shift and I'm going to bed. Deb G, I love reading your posts and if you guys are having some Amstel, make sure to get some Stella to go with it. (Man, I'm having Manas flashbacks... Stellas, Amstels, number 3s...6s... you guys that were there know what i'm talking about. Ahhh memories.
540. Posted by Bored to tears | September 16, 2006 4:49 AM |
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541. Posted by Been There, Too | September 16, 2006 6:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey, Bored to Tears, what other scandal last year? I remember one about the Army Capt, but not about a Major. What happened?
I do remember the number 6s and threes and then number 9s --- well, actually, not sure how much I remember, hee hee.
Yeah, I got the willies the first time I read this, because I was at the Zum all the time. But then the bomb story just made me laugh.
However, I can say there were some wrong things going on at Manas when I was there (officers doing things they shouldn't) and nothing was done, they just went home on time, with a medal.
I'm not sure if anything will happen to her or not.
541. Posted by Been There, Too | September 16, 2006 6:42 AM |
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542. Posted by ikj | September 16, 2006 6:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
bored to tears---
Oh yes... I remember the routine:
- Land, check in w/ ops then head over to the flight line chow hall for a bowl of chili.
- Bus over to main base, change, shower and meet up on the porch at the "sports bar" (not the rec center where you play video games).
- Order a #6, get some popcorn and see what games are on ESPN or maybe get in on a Hold'em tourney.
- Then, I'd enter into a trance and wake up as I'm being escorted back to my room by SFS guys after trying to go over the wire.
.... memories.... Where's Barbara Streisand when I need her?
IKJ
542. Posted by ikj | September 16, 2006 6:45 AM |
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543. Posted by IKJ | September 16, 2006 6:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
THAT'S IT!!!!!! It wasn't the bomb in her pocket that started the trance... she must have been sippin' down a #6 on the bus ride from base. Now THAT, I would believe.
543. Posted by IKJ | September 16, 2006 6:46 AM |
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544. Posted by IKJ | September 16, 2006 6:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The other scandal w/ a Major???? I'm a major and I'll admit it..... I was caught without my reflective belt. The horror.
544. Posted by IKJ | September 16, 2006 6:53 AM |
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545. Posted by Been There, Too | September 16, 2006 7:40 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ,
caught without the reflective belt? I'm surprised you weren't sent home on the next plane. But what about your AF PT gear (although, if you roll up the legs like Major Metzger did, maybe it wouldn't look half bad. No, wait, it still would)
545. Posted by Been There, Too | September 16, 2006 7:40 AM |
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546. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 9:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I once had my PT shirt untucked AND wore socks that weren't visible above my shoes. It was only 130 degrees outside. Shame on me, we all have our sins.
But back to our conjecture about Jill. I think the hair dye thing is a big clue but I can't figure it out. Seems like we all agree she left the store on her own, though we have no idea what she went into Bishkek to do. Let's suppose she went for some simple purpose like saying goodbye to friends, or buying EPO, or something we haven't thought of, and then was snatched up as the victim of a crime. What would be the purpose of the bad guys dyeing her hair? If they were kidnappers who were going to demand a ransom, they'd want her to look like HERSELF, not someone else. The only reason to dye her hair would be to take her somewhere unrecognized. Her story was that she was held in a dark room. So why dye the hair? Were the kidnappers planning to spirit her out of the country? To where? Why would they have waited 3 days? Again, very odd if this was a crime of opportunity. Perhaps they did it to be cruel, though that's so doubtful because dyeing the hair is quite a time-consuming process with at least 2 steps, and if you were going to be cruel you'd dye it red or some weird color. Much easier to just chop the hair off to be cruel. And then, of course, there's the dye on her hands. When you buy hair dye, at least in the US, the package comes with plastic gloves you put on to prevent staining your hands. How did she get dye on her hands? If she was unconscious when the kidnappers dyed her hair, is it likely they actually went to the trouble to run her hands through the dye? Why? How would that serve any purpose they had? The kidnapping story also falls flat to my ears when she talks about her escape: punching a kidnapper who brought her food. Unbelievable on too many levels: she's too small, she would have been secured better, where were the other 3 kidnappers when she escaped, why didn't they just run after her and catch her, etc.
Then further thoughts on the hair dye. Where did it come from? If she was a victim of a crime of opportunity, are we to believe the kidnappers just happened to have hair dye in their van?
So "kidnappers" dyeing her hair just doesn't sound right. I can't make any sense of it. Let's assume the alternative, that she dyed her hair herself. The claim could be made that the kidnappers MADE her dye her own hair, but again that seems weird to me. Time-intensive process, odd thing to make someone do, can't imagine how it would benefit a kidnapper. If they were going to try to sneak her somewhere, they could just sedate her and stuff her under a seat or in a trunk. Odd, movie-like supposition that they'd try to change her physical appearance.
So if she dyed her hair herself, when and why? If she dyed her hair herself, it was because she didn't want to be recognized while she was doing something in public. She must have realized she'd stand out like a sore thumb as a blonde, blue-eyed woman, but maybe slightly less as a dark brown haired, blue-eyed woman. Did she bring dye from the base with her in that big bag, and then dye her hair before whatever her planned activity was? THAT sounds odd to me too, since then she'd have to explain back at the base why her hair was all of a sudden brown after the shopping trip. If she DIDN'T bring hair dye with her in that big bag, and decided at some point later in her adventure that she'd better dye her hair, where did she get it? I don't imagine there are lots of Walgreens dotting the countryside near Kant, though perhaps there was some kind of store. And what would make her want to dye her hair? Was she planning to slip out of the country? And if she did dye her own hair, why did her hands get so noticeably stained with dye? Why wouldn't she have worn the gloves? Sounds as if she did it in a very rushed way, which would suggest a panicky situation, or perhaps having to dye the hair in a less-than-ideal spot like a car where it kept splashing.
I would like to hear other thoughts about the dyeing of the hair.
546. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 9:56 AM |
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547. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 10:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Love reading these posts: Bored to tears - absolutely, there will be Amstel for you and your note perception is right on. I can only picture it: Hmmmmm, I think, not sure, I felt something being put in my back pocket (even though I find it hard to imagine a bomb being able to fit in the pocket of a pair of jeans anyway), but wait, there is something else, paper! a note? hmmmmm dang it says to follow (falls into trance from ink glow) these instructions to our leader, etc...
VR: Excellent! I can't help but think by reading your post that military officials and government officials are probably combing through receipts at several stores over there searching for a receipt which has her credit/debit card purchasing a bottle of hair dye or even a cash purchase on a specific date and time, maybe a camera catching her buying the dye....
cest le vie
547. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 10:14 AM |
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548. Posted by Been There, Too | September 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You can buy hair day right at the Tsum, right at the main entrance. I haven't seen the store footage, but for the 3 minutes she was in there, she could have walked in with the group -- they would have all gone to the escalators in the middle of the store -- and she could have said "catch you later" and not even turned 2 feet to her left and bought hair dye.
Do the cameras only show her leaving, now what she did for her alleged 3 minutes in the store?
548. Posted by Been There, Too | September 16, 2006 10:29 AM |
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549. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 10:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I thought I read that she was in the store for at least 90 minutes. Wasn't there a report that she made two very brief calls from her cellphone while in the store, one after about 90 minutes?
549. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 10:37 AM |
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550. Posted by ikj | September 16, 2006 11:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Does anyone know if Jill is running in the marathon today?
550. Posted by ikj | September 16, 2006 11:04 AM |
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551. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It only takes about 1 minute to buy hair dye! I can't help but think she is not running. The media would be all over that one. Headlines: Hero Jill Metzger who escaped from abuctors and a bomb runs the marathon of her life today!" Nah, probably not. If she facted this story, I doubt the military would allow her to run. How do we find out?
551. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:20 AM |
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552. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 11:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There is no way she is running that marathon. First, she didn't get to train as she should have the past week. Imagine the shame if she came in second two years in a row. Jill would never run it if she is not at her peak. What a waste of good EPO!
Not to mention the investigation and the fact that the AF wouldn't want the embarrassment or questions it would raise.
If by chance she IS running it...we need to start are fingers typing and raise a stink. I mean, how can poor little Jill get privacy if she is running a marathon? What do you think she would say if she won this time? "Now I am better than Lance and more clever than Jessica Lynch in escaping imprisonment!" US Weekly could start calling her Lanssica! I bet she would give a huge interview with a lot of pictures taken and as soon as someone asked her about her "abduction" she would say "Please respect my privacy!"
552. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 11:58 AM |
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553. Posted by Vet | September 16, 2006 12:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Why has no one here mentioned the possibility that Major Metzger left the store to go on some kind of covert mission, and that the mission went bad in some way and that she escaped because she was in good shape and a trained covert officer? These things do happen.
Vet
553. Posted by Vet | September 16, 2006 12:02 PM |
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554. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 12:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Vet,
You are watching to many movies. The AF would never put a Personnel Officer on that type of mission. As a Personnel Officer she was overseeing medals, reports, TDY orders, training for the deployed troops, etc. NO WAY that could happen.
I agree with Deb and Happy, there is no way she is running today...rememebr that is why she got "abducted" in the first place, she wanted an excuse to bail out...lol
Really, I don't think the AF would let that happen because to many questions would come up.
554. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 12:06 PM |
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555. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 12:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy: LOL - funny stuff!
Vet: A possibility, however, if she was on a covert operation - SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE MADE UP THE BOMB IN BACK POCKET FOLLOW INSTRUCTION, TRANCE stuff.....Covert operation would NEVER allow such a botched story, dyed hair theory to put the blame on the Kryg government, never. If it went wrong, they would surely say it was a mistake of her own and not get the Krygs involved. Not how covert operates....Covert knows that another country would certainly do a full blown investigation for the blame game and the military will not take a chance like that...
555. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 12:07 PM |
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556. Posted by ikj | September 16, 2006 12:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
yeah... she was on a covert mission, but not for the gov't. She was on a mission for Jill... but what that mission was is still a mystery.
As a personnel officer, she wouldn't be involved in ops.
556. Posted by ikj | September 16, 2006 12:10 PM |
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557. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 12:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR,
Your comments on the Hair Dye are one thing that scratches the head, however I speculate about another aspect, the group. The question I have, what evidence do we have that there even was a group? How big was it? Were all the people in this group in on Jill’s flight drama? I realize that the AF are probably keeping them quit. I wonder if some of them are in trouble too.
Who even reported her missing? The group or did she miss roll call? I’m not military and it may show with these questions. But nothing in this drama really makes sense… Nothing.
557. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 12:24 PM |
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558. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 12:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hair Dye...can I speak for this one? Seems we have doctors, pilots and PA people on the blog to give their expert opinions and analysis. I don't want to be boisterous, but I could bet I am the official expert of Health and Beauty Aides (HBAs). 30% of my salary goes to lipgloss alone (it is true, ask my boyfriend)…anyway, I can speak as an expert on this subject.
If Jill dyed her hair while it was still long she wouldn't have been able to do it with the gloves. Trust me, those gloves don't let you spread it enough/evenly, especially if she was doing it w/out a mirror - she would need to FEEL where the dye was going. Those gloves suck and most people I know that dye their own hair never wear the gloves. Plus, with that dark of color the dye usually ends up leaking and your hands get a bit stained, anyway. Her naïveté with the chemistry of Miss Clairol could also explain the “bruises” on her face. *I used to dye my hair and would always be left with color on my neck and ears – no matter how meticulous I was with the dye. Dark hair dye + Long Hair = Voila! Bruised cheeks.
This is a great segway to "why did she cut her hair". Jill wasn't one to have many girlfriends, and if she did I bet there wasn't too much girlie talk and giggling about how to dye your hair. Jill is...a bit Tomboy to put it nicely. Not a lot of experience in the art of self-enhancement or buying HBAs. She wouldn't know that 1 box of hair dye would only cover 1/3 of her long hair, especially virgin hair (too bad Jill's hair isn't even a virgin anymore). Sorry. When the hair dye did not cover her entire head, she would have had to cut it off, leaving us with the beautifully coiffed “Femme Mullet”. Surely it will be the new “Rachel”
*I now get my hair professionally done and it looks Fabulous! Jill, if you would like my stylists Jose’s number, just ask me. Every girl needs a stylist in her life, especially lonely celebrities like Jessica Simpson, Jennifer Aniston and now Lanssica.
558. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 12:30 PM |
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559. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 12:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy:
Fascinating hair dye tips. Obviously, I am quite self-enhancement-challenged myself. So that may explain the crude haircut and the dyed hands.
Is this shopping plaza where she went like a US mall, with numerous small shops inside of a larger building? Would there likely be a beauty salon there?
The only thing that makes sense to me so far: she intended to dye her hair on the way to her personal "covert operation". She brought brown dye for the purpose. She figured she could then tell her pals back at the base when she returned that she had it dyed at the beauty shop in the mall, just on a lark. She started to dye her hair in a car or some other uncomfortable place and, as Happy pointed out, there were Complications.
The only other reason she would have dyed her hair is if she intended to try to sneak away with someone. That, as has been pointed out, seems highly unlikely because she had a MARATHON to come back to. Oh yeah, and that honeymoon thing.
559. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 12:49 PM |
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560. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 12:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy: We need you in our foxhole! Well, not sure they would let you take the lipgloss! I hear ya, I wanted to dye my hair once, just a nice shiny chocolate brown - OH MY What a mess! Never again. I pay $100 per month to have my hair shined and hi-lighted - wonderful stuff! Ok, now we have gotten into the beauty side of things. LOL I feel she dyed her hair to make it look like a bridenapping as they tend to shave hair and make it black out of embarrasement for a woman not accepting a man...I don't know all the details, but brown would more suit her than black! If this is the case, shame on her for attempting to blame the Krygs for kidnapping....that alone is going to be some huge consequences. I just don't understand the whole privacy thing. REMEMBER THE RUNAWAY BRIDE?? When she was brought back from TX (I think TX) they did the same thing. A statement that she and her family wanted privacy during this emotional time....same stuff going on.....
560. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 12:50 PM |
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561. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 12:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Would hair dyed dark brown make Jill Metzger less visible during night time covert operations? Considering that that area was near Russian military base, would she be going for some ops?
These kind of things did happen in the past. Say, some covert ops in Kyrgyzstan were in place to get details about new secret Russian torpedoes which are tested in Issyk Kul lake.
I'm dropping abortion theory, violent lover kind of stuff here.
561. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 12:51 PM |
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562. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 12:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The family wants privacy for a few reasons:
1. Daddy is upset cause because of her stupidity whe won't be able to run in the marathon.
2. Mommy is upset because her "beautiful" blonde hair girl is now a brunette with a mullet.
3. Hubby is upset because after 4 months of porn and hand jobs, he realized he is not getting any, anytime soon.
4. Jill is upset cause she has realized that she had become the cenetr of attention for all the wrong reasons.
End of Story!
562. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 12:55 PM |
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563. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 12:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba, Jill is a Personnel Officer like myself. As a Personnelist she would never be involved with that type of mission....NEVER!
563. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 12:56 PM |
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564. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 12:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Glad I could help! I knew my knowledge would come in useful at some point here. LOL
Deb: You hair sounds fabulous - and you are getting a great deal for what they are charging you.
What is up with this covert mission theory?
564. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 12:57 PM |
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565. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 1:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: You just made me blow gatorade out of my nose with the porn post.
Do you think Jill maybe was jealous of hubby being a OSI agent and able to do covert missions so she planned her own kidnapping? I know she is extremely competitive with her "lovers" and always tries to one-up them.
BTW...perhaps hubby should have educated Jill on the art of self-"pleasure" and she might not be in this trouble.
Lanssica has a lot to learn!
565. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 1:02 PM |
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566. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 1:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Looks like she got caught by Russian counter intelligence type of guys. They interrogated her probably for couple of days and let her go. And gave her to Kyrgyz police.
Rest of the story is well known.
This theory deserves paying an attention. Deductions, deductions.
566. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 1:09 PM |
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567. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 1:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba-
Perhaps, but why would she not have a better story than a trance and bomb? Surely if she were a trained spy the AF would have given her a better back-up story so it wouldn't raise questions to the press?
567. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 1:17 PM |
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568. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 1:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I've been lurking here for the past week--it's like an accident on the interstate, you don't want to look but you have to.
I realize everyone has their priorities, but this woman was married ten days before she deployed, she's gone for four months and when she gets back the first thing she's going to do is RUN A FLIPPIN' MARATHON?
Geez, deployments must have changed a lot since my DH retired from the AF. :')
IMO, if the USAF was sure that Major Jill was abducted, we would have been heralded with her heroic escape the entire time she was at Landstuhl. After the various "issues" in the press about USAFA the last few years, the PIO probably would have loved some great press like that ("Tiny USAF Major defeats dasterdly abductors!).
Perhaps I'm just a cynic, but I'm with the gang who wonders just what the heck was going on.
568. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 1:19 PM |
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569. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 1:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just joking. It's just Jill's story is getting more and more bizarre.
569. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 16, 2006 1:23 PM |
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570. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 1:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Who thinks curiosity and egotism will get the best of her and she will check out the blogs to see what people are saying about her? I found this blog by doing a search in google. It was one of the first links that came up. If we say Jill Metzger, Major Metzger or Major Jill Metzger in a lot of the posts, the google search will promote this blog as #1 search result when she googles herself.
She might not pleasure herself but surely she is narisstic enough to google herself.
570. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 1:29 PM |
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571. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 1:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LMAO! Come back to near spewwing on my screen from laughing so much!
I agree, if she were, in fact, a hero, this would be all over the news....
Happy - yup, hair looks great, it better, paid enough! Perhaps Jill just did not want to pay to have her hair done profesionally so she was trying to surprise her husband with a new do and left to try and do it herself, but did such a bad job she decided to say she had a bomb in her pocket and fell into a trance and took a taxi to france and then started to prance thinking she was going to dance the dance as a hero....
571. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 1:32 PM |
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572. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 1:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I sure hope she reads the blog. Can you imagine if she decided to post? Her post would be something like this:
Happy: Yes, I slept with your ex but that's past history...didn’t you forgive me already?
RS: You bitch, how dare you tell everyone that I have no desire to sleep with my husband...how did you know?
Deb: You think you are all that but you don't have the guts to stage your own kidnapping do you?
IKJ: Who are you; did I sleep with you?
Wiz: Why have you destroyed every possible theory I was planning on using.
Vet: Thanks for believing in me..I knew some people still liked meJ
The rest of you, go to hell…You have no idea how it feels to be me, and Yes it’s all about ME people. Cheers, Jill
572. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 1:44 PM |
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573. Posted by memone | September 16, 2006 1:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The abortion angle I think still makes the most sense. She probably figured or was told it would take a few hours but abortion is still surgery and surgery as any doctor will tell you has risks. And something went wrong and so she just couldn't hop into another taxi and walk onto base. And so she and maybe her lover concocted this bizarre story about being kidnampped. To make it more plausible they gave her a really bad haircut/dye and dumped her on the road someplace . Also after a couple of days everyone was panicking the cops where looking for her and so she was bad for business. She probably realized that everyghing was about to go to shit. Marriage, career, marathon, relationship with parents. Her mistake was in not giving herself more time. She should have just called her friends in the mall, tell them she wasn't feeling well and was going back to the base. That way no one would go looking for her. Since she was super-short she probably had nothing to do so she could have just phoned in sick for the next day. Anyway interesting to see what the USAF does. Do they charge her with AWOL, let her leave quietly. And what about Capt. Mayo file for divorce . If he's googled this board he might have found out somethings about Jill that he never knew.
573. Posted by memone | September 16, 2006 1:51 PM |
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574. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 2:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: LOL. However, I don't think she could type because her fingers are probably stained brown and she would not want to get her keyboard dirty...
Memone: I'm sticking with the abortion theory too. Out of all of them, I feel that is the best. So much can go wrong with an abortion. She is small, very possible to have things go wrong.....
574. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 2:06 PM |
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575. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 2:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Breaking News… on your favorite NewsChannel 7 on 7 for 7.. 7 hours of uninterrupted headlines.
September 16, 2006
Just off the wire: Major “Over the Hill” Jill Metzger…
It appears that a group of dedicated and committed individuals, who have chosen to remain anonymous, not only to the world, but to each other, have become BLOG heros. Using raw reasoning and logic, they have been involved in a mission, to prevent a mockery of the virtues of military integrity and honor, which was put to the forefront of the media headlines over the past week. Every last one of them, believe it or not, volunteered for the mission.
As you know (unless you reside in a cave) Major Jill Metzger “went missing” while shopping at a Mall in Bishkek, capital city of the Republic of Kyrgyzstan (which to all you geography disoriented lies just to the east of CHINA.. and if you don’t know where China is… you probably shouldn’t be reading this anyway!) Since the “disappearance” of Metzger, official sources have refused to comment on the status of the investigation. The Kyrgyzstan Officials are quoted as saying that “she was confused”. (a Kyrgyz euphemism for: This woman is whacked, deeply disturbed, off her rocker) The only one's who thus far have been very liberally using the "abduction" card has been, Jill Metzger, Mama Metzger, Papa Metzger, Metzger Cheer Leaders of America, and the St Thomas Hospital for the Criminally Insane (which btw, is where the Cheer Leaders reside)
But this is NOT about Metzger… No, it’s about a small group of heroic warriors.. No one, including major News Organizations, was willing to enter into the Zone of Combat. Here is their story:
“”At a time, when the torrential rains of opposition beat against their battle worn bodies, these warriors of free speech and democracy, stood their posts in combat against overwhelming odds on the battlefield of truth and error. Exposing themselves to open ridicule and taunting.””
“”Withstanding a barrage of ignorance, intrusion by snipers, hit and run cowards, they not only engaged the enemy, but also defeated all attempts to overrun their position. Responding to vile and disgusting personal attacks with confidence, courage, and eloquence, they humiliated the intruders and sent them on their way, speechless, demoralized and tattered. Few who entered into the fray were foolish enough to return. And although the War has not been won, the battle has been an astounding victory.””
“”Known only to each other and the world by their aliases, the following list of INTERNATIONAL Defenders of Honor are hereby awarded the coveted Badge of Blogging Bravery
Deb G.
VR
RS
R.O.T.
FJ
Happy aka Happy Civilian
SR6
IKJ
Gogi from KG aka Gogi (International colleague)
Kuba Kyrgyz (International colleague)
Borat (Daddy)
WizBanger Poster, aka Been There
And last of all, Snoop aka Snoopy, aka VR, whose noble response for a covert mission to the very center of the enemy position, was instantaneous and without concern for personal safety. (albeit, somewhat suspect with the request for a KEG of Amstel Light and Viagra)””
575. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 2:10 PM |
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576. Posted by happy | September 16, 2006 2:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WIZ:
LMAO! You must send the report to a news channel.
Got an email from a friend that was stationed on Manas last year. He said the same a few other posts said - the place was shady and you could get just about whatever you wanted for a little $$. She could have easily found out about an abortion or EPO...just some FYI
576. Posted by happy | September 16, 2006 2:16 PM |
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577. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 2:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz, LOL--you are killing me :)
577. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 2:18 PM |
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578. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 2:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Gotta.. dash.. But I'm here to tell ya' ... IF the Abortion Theory is the KEY... I'm writing a book.
Analysis of the Bizarre and Barren World of Jill Metzler
"How to screw things up really, really bad, and still think you're 'something'."
578. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 2:19 PM |
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579. Posted by happy | September 16, 2006 2:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oopsie. Happy Civilian aka Happy aka Snoop.
579. Posted by happy | September 16, 2006 2:19 PM |
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580. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 2:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WIZ!!!!! You're the man! What an absolute PERFECT article describing our battles on this blog! Would you believe I am going to print that and bring it to work, you know, for the ridicule my "guests" received at that bbq some did not believe of, you know, the one where some close comrades were here honoring a fallen friend who was deployed in Iraq - then jumped on my lap top attempting to thwart enemy combats from bashing my character? and oh yes, WISHING I WAS ABDUCTED, TORTURED, RAPED AND MURDERED?
Yes, we have become a wonderful group here. I came on here searching for answers to what might have happened and threw the battle of the bloggers, have met some courageous, intelligent, insightful, fun, happy, stand your ground, surviving comrades....
You guys and gals have been awesome! I respect those of you have stayed given all the crap and insults which have been thrown out for mere speculative opinions and theories....
Now, beer, wine, peanuts, lobsters for all battle ready peeps!
580. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 2:25 PM |
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581. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 2:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy!! LMAO - hahahahahah you're playing my game from last week! I gotcha girl....sometimes multiple personalities and plausible deniability are a required survival technique.....
Excellent! p.s. I have not done that since last week though and will not do it again....just FYI....
581. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 2:27 PM |
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582. Posted by liberty | September 16, 2006 2:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have been reading this blog for a couple of days. As an JAG officer of some experience and time, I have long ceased to be amazed at the shenanigans in which seemingly together people involve themselves. The myriad of unbelievable and/or criminal and/or immoral and downright mind boggling stupid situations our fellow members create is limitless. Some of the behaviors are heartbreaking in the callous disregard for family and friends -- the number of human car wrecks one person can leave on the highway of life is simply astounding. Other acts, although criminal in nature, are, shall we say, more amusing and intriguing.
There is no question in my mind that Maj M is disingenuous. I do, however, feel great empathy for her family. At this point, we (the public) do not know what she did nor why she did it. If she is actually tried for her actions, we will find out as courts are public affairs (I am not saying she committed a crime(s), I do not know). If she receives a lesser punishment or no punishment at all, we may hear nothing.
Doesn't anyone remember the headlines regarding my former JAG boss, now a retired 06 who was once an AD 08? Made the cover of the AF Times twice. Again, seemingly professional and smart people of all ranks do outrageous stuff. I am still mad about that.....
582. Posted by liberty | September 16, 2006 2:35 PM |
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583. Posted by happy | September 16, 2006 2:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Liberty:
Welcome to the board and great post! I do not remember the story of the AD 08 to 06. What happened?
I do know a few Chiefs who threw everything away for one stupid decision.
583. Posted by happy | September 16, 2006 2:45 PM |
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584. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 2:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ah, Liberty, would that be a certain gentleman whose initials were TF? Zoomie type, one each, with, shall we say a penchant for ladies subordinate and not his spouse?
584. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 2:51 PM |
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585. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 3:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Liberty: Welcome into our fun, combative yet intelligent foxhole! Sounds like my ex, no wait, that was Army. His buddy (another LTC), who asked 50 different women to marry him via an on-line dating service - got kicked out of the Army. He was married with children....
585. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 3:05 PM |
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586. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 3:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here's a Boston Globe article that gives the jist of what I'm pretty sure Liberty is talking about. IIRC, the party in question was fined and allowed to retire as an 06. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/01/top_air_force_military_lawyer_relieved_of_command/
There was some talk at the time that while he was likely guilty, the action was only taken after he (and other JAG's) took a stand contrary to what the political powers that be wanted on Gitmo/detainee interrogation techniques. NO idea if that has any merit or not, just a rumor round the watercooler here in DOD civilian land.
As I said above, if JM's story was a heartwarming, brave and noble one, after some of the stuff in the past few years, the AF would be shouting from the rooftops.
586. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 3:13 PM |
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587. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 3:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
--------------LIBERTY---------------
I have enjoyed a long and somewhat unique career in the Army. I was stationed in places that the 'average' active duty person will never see. One of my assignments was to a 'group' which has only 3 offices in the world; Europe, USA, and Pacific.
During that time, I had the opportunity of meeting "leaders" from all services, including international service members. One of my observations over the years is that RANK is not a clear indicator of intelligence, nor integrity. There are a few who will always stand out in my memory as someone I admired and oft tried to emulate. And, there are some who also stand out... but for totally different reasons.
There remains, unfortunately, a huge task for the military forces of all the world, not just the US. That task is: to instill in Commanders, Supervisors, and "Leaders" (I use this term generically) the importance of, Integrity. And, as leaders, to instill into subordinates the WILL and DESIRE to aspire to that level of Leadership. I don't know that this is ever going to happen. But, when it comes to live or die situations, I would rather be fighting with a squad of people with integrity than a battalion of criminals.
I come here for fun and to analyze my own thought process and my ability to sift through what is perceived and what is real. There lies a great chasm between the two. The vast majority of the population lives in the world of perception and that becomes reality for them. However, in the world of reality, perception has to be dealt with at a level which most people do not want to enter into. Critical thinkers are not in great demand today. What pays, and pays well I might add, are thinkers who are able to present a perception which will "sell a product".
Eventually, I'll know some of the truth about what happened on that sunny afternoon in Bishkek. My 'critical thinking', and - gut instinct - tells me that something is amiss. In the grand scope of things, it really doesn't matter. Well, I'll take that back... it does matter, but do those in position to "MAKE IT MATTER" have what it takes to show people how much it matters? We will soon find out.
587. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 3:23 PM |
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588. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 3:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Does anybody know what happened to the rest of the group Jill was supposed to be with at mall? Would they be under some gag order not to talk? If they even knew anything.
If some came home recently as Metzger was supposed to, would they still be under orders not to talk until this case is resolved?
It interesting to me that no one in this group would even notice something strange assuming they (person or persons weren’t in on the vanishing act).
By the way this Blog has been most entertaining the past few days. LOL
588. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 3:24 PM |
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589. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 3:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I find it hard to imagine her friends at the mall would leave without her and go back to the base in hopes she was there when they returned. Did they think Jill was stupid enough to go back to base instead of meet them at the time they agreed upon??? I feel, in my opinion, that one or all of the peeps she was with knew something was going on.....You don't leave your people behind...you just don't....and they did not stay to pursue police help thinking she might have been kidnapped or some sort of foul play - THEY WENT BACK TO BASE INSTEAD OF DOING THAT - hmmmmmmmmm I don't know about you folks, but if a fellow officer went missing in a foreign country, I would not leave the scene to see if she WALKED back to base....
589. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 3:37 PM |
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590. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 3:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I heard this mall trip was an MWR outing, which means Morale, Welfare, and Recreation. That's an on-base organization that plans out tourist trips, among other things, to keep the troopw happy. There was probably a van or bus that took a group of airmen from the base to the shopping mall with a set time for return. The group would probably have been told not to leave the premises and to stay in pairs while shopping ("keep with your buddy"). MY guess is that Jill had one friend on the trip with her that was somewhat clued in on what Jill was going to do, or at least was forewarned with something like "Hey, tell the others not to wait for me if I'm not here because I might get a friend to take me back to the base." Otherwise, I think it would be unusual for the group to leave the mall without her without raising an alarm. It would also be a little odd for someone to shop by herself, but maybe not so odd if that mall felt safe.
I heard somewhere (and all of this data is getting fuzzy now) that the military group returned to the base without her, but eventually someone realized she was missing.
I am SURE the group she was with was warned very strongly not to talk about ANY of this. I am also sure, from past experience, that the group is talking a LOT about it, sort of "I'm not supposed to say anything but..." I was never too impressed with the military's ability to keep these kinds of secrets, too many people are "in" on the information and it leaks out. But the other members of the group may not have known much about it at all, except that she didn't return with them.
590. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 3:41 PM |
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591. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 3:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Exactly Deb G.
It appears they didn’t call her either assuming they knew her at all and her cell phone #. I find that very strange.
I was sort of buying into covert thing only because of where she was found in ration to Kant and the Russian counter intelligence thing, and when our people couldn’t find her and the police did. But nothing fits.
591. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 3:51 PM |
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592. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 3:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thanks for the clear up VR :) OK I see it now. My last post was late.
592. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 3:55 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 15:55
593. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 4:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR- I am with you in thinking that her buddy was given a "heads up" and told the others Jill had already gone back to base.
Does anyone remember when she first went missing there were calls made TO her cell phone? I bet her "buddy" started getting worried when Jill did not return at a set time and started calling her. When she did not pick up the phone, the buddy finally reported her missing.
593. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 4:01 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:01
594. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 4:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I agree with you all about not leaving a person behind. Also, if it was an MWR trip, the buse driver shouldn't have left without her and should have alerted the authorities, unless someone covered for her. Still, they are usually very careful about leaving someone behind during those types of trips.
I'm pretty sure that the people that went with her and know something are under a gag order (which doesn't mean they are not talking among them or to friends). I wonder how is life right now at Manas, and if they have lifted the off-base restriction. It would be interesting to know because if they haven't, I'm sure the local population has to be pissed off because of the economic impact.
I still believe that that abortion story could be a possibility, or that she went to visit friends and for some reason couldn't get back in time and decided to make up the whole thing. It will be very interesting to find out what really happened.
594. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 4:06 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:06
595. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Can't be a covert mission gone bad. She would have been highly trained enough not to tell the illogical segment of the bomb in pocket, follow instructions on note. She would have been briefed on what to do if the mission went wrong and it would NEVER have included putting any type of blame on the Kryg officials, gov., or people - EVER. Military would not set themselves up to be invesigated by the Krygs who they know would be mighty ticked at the blame......If her story were true, she would be hailed as a HERO by now...
595. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:12 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:12
596. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 4:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb--did you go to Charleston?
596. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 4:15 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:15
597. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: No, not yet, not sure if I am. The crew who went out last night celebrating the return of another friend well, stayed up until approximately 8 a.m. (pool party). So, they all slept in pretty late and are feeling pretty lousy. I will know before 6 though. I have a feeling I will be driving down at some point. Will take approx. 3 hrs.....but will be nice to see everyone and then perhaps GOLF or beach tomorrow!! :-)
597. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:23 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:23
598. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If I go to Charleston, I will promise you guys and gals that I will NOT leave my group, I will NOT dye my hair (it is already brown), I will NOT leave any building alone, I will NOT play with bombs, I will NOT follow instructions if a note should come my way, I will NOT meet a guy and take a stroll on the beach for a few days and then pretend I a kidnapped, I will NOT make up stories that I kicked butt of a man in a dark room (although I could!), and I will NOT lie to the military or the authorities if my own little agenda goes bad......
598. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:42 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:42
599. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 4:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
That's cool...just wanted to make sure that you didn't go cause you stayed hooked here. Go have some fun tonight!
599. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 4:42 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:42
600. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: Ok Ok I admit it. I did not drive to the beautiful beaches of Myrtle Beach and then a night in Charleston with friends all to just stay here and blog with you fellow bloggers....
Now, do you believe any of that???
600. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 4:54 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 16:54
601. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 5:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123027266
AF Marathon results are in...guess who DID'T run? : )
Hmmm...the article didn't mention anything about Lanssica. Wouldn't they have mentioned the super-star is at home recovering from her horrible abduction and will run next year? Not a word said about our hero. Soooooo sad.
Deb - don't you do triathlons? I do sprint tri's because running distance bores me. However, I would be willing to run the AF Marathon next year if any of you would like to join me? We could be team Lanssica, and only we would know the hidden meaning of bloggers seeking the truth.
601. Posted by Happy | September 16, 2006 5:10 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 17:10
602. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 5:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy: That is funny! Our Lanssica did not compete (pass the Kleenex).
I did two tri's in my lifetime. I am not a die hard competitive marathoner. I have a good friend from NH who runs her little heart out and competes in tri's often! I did two with her.
Sorry, I am not a big runner. I like to run, but not the competitive stuff....I used to waterski on a team in MA YEARS AGO, years years ago :-) Don't go there, I am in my 30s....
602. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 5:44 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 17:44
603. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 6:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In the ironically ironic department, I was just checking my trusty TV Guide to see what time Army was playing the Aggies tonight (2130 eastern, ESPN2 if anyone cares) and happened to notice what the NBC Saturday Night Movie was......
Runaway Bride
Ya just can't make this stuff up! ;' )
603. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 6:20 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 18:20
604. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 6:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink: lol Starring Jill Metzger
604. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 6:31 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 18:31
605. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 6:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok, I am not going to SC - dang. It's too late! So, 2 friends here have decided that we will have a hot tub party instead with appletinis! Pull up the table to the tub and watch a movie from the laptop! Have to stand up or get out after a while though or you'll turn into a prune! Anyone want to join us???? Jill, u there??? Perhaps you could join us for some explanation time.....have a little drink, get a little tipsy and START TALKING. Oh yes, no worries, it is very private here, woods out back and around, you'll be ok.....
Where oh where has my little Wiz gone - oh where oh where has he gone?
605. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 6:48 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 18:48
606. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 6:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I truly feel that Jill staged this abduction for a few reasons:
1. She was scheduled to run in the AF Marathon, however, she most likely was not able to train appropriately while in Kryg. Thus, she probably knew she had little chance of finishing FIRST and knowing she bragged to be like Lance Armstrong (cough), she did not want to embarrass herself.
2. Thus, the kidnapping would get her out of the race and bring her attention she was not getting and her character suggests she needs a lot of attention.
I strongly believe this because one of the FIRST things she stated was that she wanted to come back and run the marathon. Why on earth would anyone say they wanted to run a marathon after being abducted, beaten and so on. That is a traumatic experience rendering you not wanting to participate in a marathon immediately upon return to the states....She could not just drop out of the marathon as this would render her a LOSER according to her terms and embarrassment due to her comments last year. Saying she wanted to run would be reverse psychology so noone would figure out she staged an abduction to GET OUT OF THE MARATHON - because she is saying she wants to run it.....
Of course, there is always the abortion theory...she had to stay SOMEWHERE for 4 days. I am sure she was not sleeping on the street.....
606. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 6:57 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 18:57
607. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 7:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb, I knew you were not going to make it to Charleston...LOL Are you sure you are going to watch movies on the laptop? I'm thinking you'll be checking the blog :) I know I'm extremely addicted too.
I do like your marathon theory, I had mentioned that before and it makes total sense. She dissapears and now she doesn't have to run and become a looser, but hey, I thought she was already a looser...did I miss something?
Oops! There I go again, I'm so cruel :(
607. Posted by RS | September 16, 2006 7:12 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 19:12
608. Posted by YaThink | September 16, 2006 7:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Been away for a while, glad to see you guys are still here....
Since leaving the military lifestyle behind, I don't see or hear from most of my Army friends much, but did hear from 2 guys at Victory (Iraq-NCO's) and guess what they brought up???? Maj Jill.
If you think some of the 'theories' on this site have been "out there", you should have heard some of theirs..... Apparently it has become the talk of the DFAC and she has a new nickname (of course)Maj. METZWHORE........ and they have lots of IED in the pants jokes to tell now, pretty graphic involving coitus, marathon/longevity, bombs and the consequences of not finishing the 'race' at the appropriate time... Thought it was interesting the guys on the ground are following this and not buying the "bomb in the pocket' story...
Had dinner with a Director (small time local)friend of mine who thought this would make a great movie or play... Comedy, in the vein of "Hot Shots part Deux"... He kept me in tears the entire time.....
If she truly wanted to become the center of attention, she got her wish..... I bet the new hubby is pissed!!!!
608. Posted by YaThink | September 16, 2006 7:14 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 19:14
609. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 7:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Let me premise this by saying I know that people can have their obsessions.
The idea that this woman may have set up an international incident to avoid having to run in a marathon is boggling. I'm sure the AF marathon is a big deal, but we're not talking the Olympics here.
I've known people to do odd things when they felt backed into a corner, but she couldn't have just pretended to hurt something? I mean, a hamstring, a groin pull, a sprained toe? She certainly wouldn't have been the first runner to drop out of a planned race because of an injury. Heck, she could have just "tripped" getting off the bird on the ramp at Moody!
Unless she's really got some serious issues, all of this seems a bit much to avoid running in a race.
609. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 7:29 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 19:29
610. Posted by Bored to tears | September 16, 2006 7:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok sorry for the delay getting back. Had to sleep and I'm about to head off to work. But no we had a certain major who decided to get alittle too close to a SSgt. Not sure whether anything happened or not, but needless to say the perception was out there. It made some waves in MSG last year when we got back. Needless to say the picture of Jill's tearshedding reunion (my tears were from laughing too hard when me and a SrA were disecting all the visual clues of that and then comparing it to this week's base paper here at Charleston showing a reunion between a couple people who I know do not care for each other very much, and there was alot more show of emotion in the latter than the former). I'll get more into the picture in a minute.
As far as the scandal, needless to say the reunion here at CHS was very similiar to the reunion shown here, a very pissed off Officer's wife and a very agitated and angry husband (the SSgts). If it wasn't for the quick departure of the Major, I think it might have gotten violent. But needless to say, no one saw the Major's wife after that and she was a around the squadron quite a bit. And a couple months later, the Major was out. I'm not sure, some of you guys higher up might know more about it, but basically the story that was going around the ranks was that the old Wing Queen basically gave him the option of quietly getting out or she'd make it public.
Now I know this iisn't all that juicy and its pretty regular in the military, but usually common sense among the perps means very few people ever find out. We all thought it was rather stupid last year that they would so brazenly make it apparent something was going on, to the fact that the entire squadron and the entire wing at Manas was aware of it. Well, thats small potatoes to the whole world knowing about it in Jill's case.
Ok, on to the picture. Someone was claiming that maybe they were disorganized from just getting off the plane, ect ect. Have you ever seen video clips of the Navy units returning off a cruise? My brother in law is a Navy F-18 pilot, and I've been there when he was with a Tomcat squadron coming off a cruise. I don't recall faces so absolutely mortified like those of Jill's homecoming. And that is organized chaoes on the Navy ramps with wifes, kids, ect running all over the place. So now, I can't buy the whole they just got off a plane and trying to get organized. If your really happy to see someone, you could care less about that. Sorry.
Ok, so Jill didn't run today? Hmm, probably too tired from running from her pissed off husband and dominating father's questions to have the energy.
On another note, for those that have been to Manas in the last year or so, the new beer tent, did they keep all that sports stuff that we got for it during our deployment or did they get rid of it? Someone said they didn't see anything up. If not, I want that Seahawks flag that was hanging up in the beer tent.
610. Posted by Bored to tears | September 16, 2006 7:35 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 19:35
611. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 8:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, after being one of the worst of the craven sexual deviant abortion theorists, I have to say that I feel a lot of sympathy for the PERSON Jill, as oppposed to the SYMBOL Jill (Air Force officer, career woman, athlete, boss.) I think she lied her noggin off about something, probably something pretty bad, but I also think she is suffering mightily for it now and is going to suffer more. I thought the photo of her uncomfortably taking the flowers from her mother after deplaning, with her stick-thin little legs and sawed-off hair, was sort of heart-wrenching. And the still video image of her from Bishkek, just about to walk out of the mall into utter disaster, was also hard to look at. ("Jill! Stop! WTF are you thinking???") Yes, we all take a certain amount of pleasure in watching someone who has done something wrong get caught and self-destruct in such a spectacular fashion, but we have to remember there is a person under all of that.
A lot of people wrote in to this blog at the beginning stating that Jill is a wonderful person, a model officer, humble, a role model, a true friend, terrific athlete, etc, etc, etc. And then some talked about a completely different and sordid side of her personality. It's hard to reconcile both, but I'm sure she HAS both sides. AS WE ALL DO, though perhaps not quite so dramatic. We've ALL had the experience of being caught in a lie (albeit not on such a grand scale) and know the abject misery of THAT. Now multiply that feeling by about 300 million.
I think we can feel some sympathy for her, while at the same time demand that she pay a severe price for what she has done to the military, to officers, to FEMALE officers in particular, to the US, to her family...
I agree with Liberty: her family certainly has done nothing wrong in this incident and deserves sympathy. Can you imagine if this were your sister, your daughter, your friend? Truly awful. Her parents seemed to me like kind, decent, upstanding people on that interview. Of course they would see Jill as a saint. This must be a horrific nightmare for them.
OK, now I will go back to craven theorizing.
611. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 8:54 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 20:54
612. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 8:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: Ok, I admit, I'm hooked. Well, we don't have the laptop hooked up yet, but we DO have the wine glasses flowing.... :-) Looks like this will be a sort of calm night here. We have not made it to the hot tub yet, but we are working on it!! Kudos to you for the marathon theory. I did not see your post, but I think you're on to it....
I feel badly for Jill's husband. Just married - imagine going through what he is going through - WOW.......
Shrink: I'm thinking ISSUES.....
Ya Think: ya think she caused the entire world to be talking about her like this?? This is international stuff....everyone is boggled and with good reason....officers in the military just can't get kidnapped, escape and then "have their privacy and just want a "good" sleep" huh???
Bored to tears: LOL - Seahawks flag!
612. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 8:57 PM |
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613. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 9:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I read earlier on a foreign site somewhere that said Metzger's two calls she were traced back to whom ever they and that AF authorities contacted and interviewed those people that same night.
So I believe that what ever she did, they (USAF) knew about it, even before they picked her up. Heck maybe that first night. That would explain why they got her to Germany so fast, so she couldn't make the situation worse!
613. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 9:03 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 21:03
614. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: Agreed. I am resentful of what she did to make other Officers look bad and also to put the integrity of our country at stake on foreign soil. However, a part of me feels badly for the obvious mental issues she is experiencing. I am also torn with the thoughts of: She was only harming herself with whatever motives and agenda she had. However, that is not true, she is harming our nation, our military, our honor, integrity, morals as she is a part of what we stand for. So, while being torn, I understand she is also a human being, a person with a soul (I think a soul) and most likely is suffering had. The statement of privacy though is not sitting well with me anyway. She OWES us, the country, Krygastan, the whole world at this point AN EXPLANATION.....As harsh as it sounds, she is the property of the United States Military and she has a duty to maintain honor and integrity and to be a role model. This is unacceptable and until I see an explanation, an apology and a punishment, a part of me will remain resentful.....
614. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:05 PM |
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615. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
GH: Quite possibly one of the clinics?? Maybe at that point they knew she needed medical attention immediately for an abortion gone bad, but she was not talking to save her career and sticking by her kidnapping story. When they found out the truth - off she went??????? You have to admit - having an abortion is a HIGHLY personal topic and situation and the Air Force might indeed be offering her the respect and privacy until they figure out how to explain any of this.....Can you imagine some folks who might be irate and even pursue death threats against her for aborting a fetus?? If she had an abortion, that would be some SERIOUS stuff where even the Air Force would rallyed against for harboring someone who they feel KILLED A FETUS....Not something they would just come out and claim she did, they might never admit to that and truly come up with another story that she was just stressed out and faked the abduction story, however, would never relay the abortion part as that could prove disastrous....
615. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:11 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 21:11
616. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 9:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So any speculations on when an announcement will be made? Or if there is even going to be one?
616. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 9:12 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 21:12
617. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 9:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G Your point is well taken. I really feel for her. Man what is hubby thinking right about now! Ouch!
I hope like we all do that when the news does come out she'll show some class, step up to the plate and make a public statement. No press release! A personal statement. But she must be under tremendous pressure, for the very reasons and other you stated Deb G.
Wow this just blows my mind.
617. Posted by Gh | September 16, 2006 9:21 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 21:21
618. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
GH: Perhaps she is suicidal, which, at this point - is most likely and I am sure her family feels the same way. Again, torn with that too though - the type A Jill who has stated before that NOONE IS SECOND TO HER and compared herself to Lance Armstrong makes it hard for me to feel overly badly for her. She is obviously intelligent (or was, or we thought she was) enough to KNOW she should not have done this.....she did it to herself and along with crime - and this will be a crime if proven she has made false accusations against another country and along with other counts against her I am sure, come punishment....she knew her role, her duties, she needs to be punished, point blank....anyone who would do this should suffer the consequences. Allowing someone to get away with something like this is enabling others to do it as well....and I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want our military to be known as enablers....
618. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:33 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 21:33
619. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL, just checked on 2 friends in the living room....nearly asleep on the couch!!! I wonder if we will make it to the hot tub! Aren't we an exciting crew....
619. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:34 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 21:34
620. Posted by Bored to tears | September 16, 2006 9:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Considering how well wired the base was with cell phones and what i can only imagine the amount of money the air force gave the local cell company, i am sure within an hour of her dissapearance the people at Manas were on the phone with the cell company and I'm sure it didn't take much for them to find out where she was.
This may be a little off, but given what I know from when I was there and with the MWR trips, there was always a someone from the services squadron on the trips to supervise it. These guys spent a couple weeks setting up a whole myraid of contacts in the local community and I have seen the list that they had when I was there as far as contacts, ect. And there were a couple hospitals, clinics, ect listed. So here's my idea of what probably happened,
1. Jill wanders off to do whatever (or whoever).
2. Members of the shopping excursion all rejoin to get on the bus to head back to the base, hey we're missing one. Chances are a quick search is done of Tsums and the surrounding shops to see where she is. At no time we're members allowed to just walk off from the group, and regardless of her rank, I don't think she could have wormed out of just leaving the group without some kind of disciplinary action happening. So whatever she did obviously was important enough for her to know she would be getting in trouble.
3. Trip coordinator contacts base to inform them that they have a missing member. Chances are the base dispatches the local OSI unit.
4. OSI talks to Tsum security and gets their hands on the tape showing Jill's horrific walk to neverland or to fantasia. Right then they probably are aware that she wasn't being held agaisnt their will. About this time I'm sure someone has already began checking with the cell phone company.
5. I think within 24 hours of her leaving Tsums the Air Force probably had a good idea where she was and for all we know probably were in contact with her. I think at this point the Air Force went into DC mode, knowing that this would turn ugly with the massive manhunt already being organzied and broadcasted on national TV.
At some point i feel she was in contact with someone from the base or something. I think she knew she was done and in an attempt to gain sympathy came out with this story of an abduction. I think the Air Force is staying miff on the subject right now in an order to keep ahead in Damage Control, but I think it will come out soon enough.
As far as people on the trip or at the base talking, most of that rotation is either already back home now or is in the process of coming home. I think you won't see any of them going to the papers or the news, but they will be talking. Anyone in the military knows people talk.
Kinda like the TWA 800 conspiracy theory that the Navy shot down that plane, if that was the case, you'd have 300 guys from that ship talking to their families and friends about. And yet you hear nothing. Sorry, conspiracies within the military are hard to do, contrary to what civilians seem to think.
620. Posted by Bored to tears | September 16, 2006 9:39 PM |
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621. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Bored to tears: She made two calls out and then two calls went into her phone and finally the phone was shut off around 8 - 9 p.m - maybe her calling the clinic and then 'THE FRIEND' to pick her up and bring her 30 miles to Kant to stay at a house of someone they knew......of course, who knows the real story.....I just feel that if it was an abortion, we might never know that for sure....to some, that is evil, killing, bad jujis....
621. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 9:58 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 21:58
622. Posted by Intrigued | September 16, 2006 10:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Back to one of my original question, who has friends in Bishkek?? (No personal answers required...) But for those of you have spent time there in Manas, either in transit or deployed to that location, how many of you actually had the opportunity to make friends with the local populace??
Maybe b/c her husband is OSI, she could know OSI out and about...but they surely wouldn't be involved.
Some thoughts below...any feedback?
Embassy personnel and their families? Not likely, but possible she could know someone assigned to the MILGRP or equivalent from her past assignments.
SF guys...they are out and about. They like the gym. Like girls. Won't ask you whether they live on base or out in town there, but I know how it usually works.
Contractors...maybe, but not likely. But possible...
The ex-Soviet farm out of town... so weird.
622. Posted by Intrigued | September 16, 2006 10:06 PM |
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623. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 10:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Intrigued: You're on it too - everyone is. I like where everyone's head is at. My ex is SF (LTC/green beret, but mentality of an 18 year old). While in Saudi Arabia, he carried on an affair with a woman from South Africa who was a nurse at the training center at the Riyadh Hospital. Not many are aware of the fact many beautiful women are in that area for that kind of nurse training. Before I found out what he was doing, he had relayed that MANY married men carried on relationships there with these very women, even taking leave to go to Dubai with them and other places. Staying at their compounds with them at night and so on....SF is notorius for "hunting" women while deployed (as my ex stated).....she could have easily left to join one and things got violent perhaps and she staged the kidnapping....man, wish we all knew
623. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 10:16 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 22:16
624. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 10:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Intrigued: The ex soviet farm?? Well, that could have been a place SF might have been training.....
624. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 10:17 PM |
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Posted on September 16, 2006 22:17
625. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 10:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey...
Taking a poll.. Aye's have it.. - please... sit down
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Just wanted to quote you:
"A lot of people wrote in to this blog at the beginning stating that Jill is a wonderful person, a model officer, humble, a role model, a true friend, terrific athlete, etc, etc, etc. And then some talked about a completely different and sordid side of her personality. It's hard to reconcile both, but I'm sure she HAS both sides. AS WE ALL DO,"
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I wrote earlier... to FLYTRAP:
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What comes to your mind when I mention the name "Albert Einstein".. Genius, Jewish, Peace Activist, Physics, Relativity, Atom Bomb, Womanizer, and a person who practiced Incest. Right?...... Right!!!
You see, most people don't know that good ol' Einstein was a womanizer, that he divorced his wife because he couldn't put up with her 'depression', and that he married his cousin.
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You're correct... WE ALL HAVE A "SIDE"... I do, you do, we all do...
I think what has gotten our attention, and I believe I am beginning to detect a certain sense of "buyers remorse", is that "Jill is human". We all are. So, which rock do you want to pick up?
What really torques me.. are all the little Cheer Leaders from St Thomas' Hospital for the Criminally Insane, who came busting in here vindicating Jill based on her "past", when in reality her past was just as screwed up as the present. They just didn't want to admit it. Her past is, in fact, what led to the present.
As an officer in the USAF, she carries a bag of responsibilities which others don't. Fact of Life. If we don't want them... Get Out. If we want to stay in, try to live by the imposed code of conduct. Remember this?:
Article I
I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
You ready to give your life?? Yes/No.. That is a Yes or No question! One either is, or one is not.
I know that people in the military get caught up in situations that are beyond belief at times. They need to face their mistakes and get on with it. BUT, I detest the fact that The Cheer Leaders come in and say IT CAN'T BE SO!!! And, don't listen to anything else. From that point forward... FROM THAT INSTANT... they had me agianst them... to PROVE to them that what they were attempting to convince me of, was just not so! When it comes to stuff like that, I am like lion who has just gotten his claws on a zebra. I'm not letting go!!! They would have been much better off.. just leaving it. To commit an offense is not the end of the world... To commit an offense then lie to the world is ASKING for trouble.
I'll close with this.. which I wrote to FLYTRAP:
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So, Jill Metzger, may have some good qualities, but in this particular situation, she has been proclaimed innocent.... because no one has come forward with damning 'evidence'. Well, I'm beginning to believe that you, and others like yourself and ol' John 'JB' Fiske above, would not believe her culpability - even if she proclaimed it herself. It would force you to accept something that your mind is not ready to accept... and you know what happens to people like that?? They go insane FlyTrap.. insane.
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625. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 10:21 PM |
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626. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 10:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Furthermore... I haven't seen too many of them in here lately saying .... "I told you so, I told you so"..
Unless, some of you have gone off, changed uniforms and joined this side..... hmmmmmm?
They won't be in here either.. They are home trying to deal with their self-imposed insanity.
They'll get over it.
626. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 16, 2006 10:30 PM |
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627. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 10:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I got curious about how available abortions might be in Kyrgyzstan. Turns out, VERY available. Check out this link if you're interested:
http://condor.depaul.edu/~rrotenbe/aeer/v17n2/Stakeyeva.pdf
Here's the gist. This is from an article presented at the Forum of Women's NGOs (whatever that is) entitled "Reproductive Health in Kyrgyzstan":
"...The total abortion rate for the Kyrgyz Republic for the period from mid-1994 to mid-1997 is 1.6 abortions per women (sic). This data is lower than recent estimates for other areas of the former Soviet Union, such as Kazakhstan (1.8) and Russia (2.8), but is higher than Uzbekistan (0.7) Every year, 55-60,000 abortions takes place (sic): this corresponds to 50 abortions for every 100 live births. There is a very high level of abortions among women younger than 18 years; about 10% of all abortions are for women in this age group. A very high death rate also is the result of teenagers' abortions..."
As a comparison, in the USA in 2000 there were 246 abortions per 1000 live births. (Betcha didn't know ours was that high, did you? But still lower by half than Kyrgyzstan.) So abortion services must be quite plentiful there.
627. Posted by VR | September 16, 2006 10:42 PM |
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628. Posted by Intrigued | September 16, 2006 10:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G -
My experience is limited but I spent a few months isolated with two different teams...they were all married and all but a few had girlfriends in country. Their girlfriends tended to fall into two categories from what I witnessed...(1) TCNs (stewardesses, nurses, etc) or (2) very fit, very pretty Americans. Often they met in the gym.
Of the few American women that I saw pass through the team house, all were civilians (e.g. Embassy, USAID) and none were military... maybe because of our location...there was no American base in country. Over dinner sometimes though, they would tell stories... I was told at their last location (not Manas) that the nighttime visitors into the SF compounds were typically AF girls/women...usually enlisted, but occasionally officers. They seemed to like AF girls but their comments were not necessarily flattering and I won't repeat here. (I'm a female AF officer, too.)
Girls are drawn to guys like that. Even average girls get a lot of attention in a deployed location...we've all witnessed that. But I would think a girl like Jill would be drawn to someone who could appreciate all that she "is"...and someone who was "worthy" of her.
Don't know...just speculating.
Those guys can move so freely in and off base...even if they are living off base. Don't know about there and I wouldn't want anyone to speculate about where they do live because I wouldn't want to jeapordize a team's safety because of a blog about Jill...
Here is another thing. Those guys are good at covering for each other and coming up with a story when needed. Witnessed that first hand, too.
They work hard and play hard and they feel the rules don't usually apply to them. Not bashing them, I think they have earned some latitude to do their own thing to some degree. All of that testosterone (spelled right?) comes with good and bad traits.
I just keep coming back to how Jill had friends in Bishkek...and who has friends in Bishkek.
Enough though.
628. Posted by Intrigued | September 16, 2006 10:59 PM |
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629. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 11:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Forum of Women's NGO's (Non Government Organizations).
A group of non-profits, not attached to any government who work for women's causes, usually in less developed countries. Very big into safe and effective contreception, abortion, safe childbirth, women's right to equal education, marriage by choice only, fair and equal wages, you get the picture.
629. Posted by Shrink | September 16, 2006 11:15 PM |
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630. Posted by bored to tears | September 16, 2006 11:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Given the circumstances making friends with the local population isn't that hard to do. I still keep in touch with one of the ladies that worked in the linen exchange. And one of the KBR supervisors there (she is American though) so its not all that uncommon. And if your in a job or in a position where you can get off post alot, which given the job of being the PERSCO section leader, I'm sure she had alot of free time to go off base. So its not inconcievable that she could have met someone that could have helped her out with her problem (if the abortion theory is correct). An off hand comment to a TCN or a local working on the base could have hooked her up with someone. And as far as her being gone that long,
what if her supposed ride back had a Fast Times at Ridgemont high moment and couldn't come up with his share of the dough and didn't want to pony up? Who knows. I just find it amusing in some ways how she thought she would somehow get out of this. Hell i could have come up with a better excuse than her. As far as the phones go, two in, two out.
And as far as the people who don't trust what the Krygyz government says, think about it like this though. If this happened in the US, by say a french or british officer, and it was this odd, I'd bet my entire paycheck that the governement would be going nuts bringing forth as much evidence as they could to show hey, something is wrong with this picture. But people are going to slam the Krygis for the doing the same thing. Double standards have become the norm now, well we're america and they're not, so we shouldn't believe what they say. Please.....atleast their government is saying something at all. If this had happened in Saudi Arabia (another of our allies) you wouldn't have heard a word about it because that government would have totally covered it up. The fact that the Air Force or state department is mum as to what to say tells you more than if they did say anything.
630. Posted by bored to tears | September 16, 2006 11:21 PM |
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631. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: Again, you the man...you the man...I'm keeping you in my foxhole. Judging from the recent blogs on here, I'm keeping all of you in my foxhole!!! Wiz: I agree with you. Although Jill is a person, a human being, I am not budging with how I feel about what she has done nor should anyone with integrity. Sorry, comes with the territory. If we back down to all who commit crimes, then eventually they will come back to spear that heart of yours to death....Kind of like the movie "Saving Private Ryan" where that German soldier is let go because suddenly they had "heart" for him. Then, at the end, he kills a soldier while the soldier who insisted he be let go watches his buddy die.....
VR: Excellent research. Sticking to my abortion theory....
Intrigued: Sooooo with you. I know some excellent SF guys, however, there is a "game" within them which consists of bedding women - just the way it is. My ex now dates enlisted women from Pope. He is a LTC - go figure. I have heard stories. Don't care the least, just have heard stories. He is a very poor example of an Army Officer. Yet, his "buddies" cover for him and they cover for each other. I have to say, an SF guy's wife ended up dead in a hotel room at Myrtle Beach. She was Korean. He was with her. Would you believe that was silenced and never heard of again? EVERYONE talks at the drop zone and KNOWS he must have done this - it disappeared.....I was in Pakistan and the SF guys were always looking for women. I have had MANY advances made from married men in the Army - no way, not my character. WOMEN do have a choice of YES or NO.....
Shrink: More good research.....I can't help but think the AF will issue some type of statment eventually, but I don't think they will relay the abortion, even if she really had one.....I just can't imagine them saying that. As I said, that is highly personal stuff which can lead to protesting, death threats, etc...oh my, I can picture the outfall from announcing that one....
p.s. there is a group of Delta types in that area, I'm thinking - DADDY.....
631. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:33 PM |
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632. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Can you see some intel officers on here lurking: oh my gosh, yes yes yes abortion, why didn't we think of that!!!!
632. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:39 PM |
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633. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: You are correct about those folks not coming in here any longer. What could they possibly say???? Gosh, we were beaten, battered, holding up shields, put down, yup even death wished upon us and yet, here we are, endured the waves and landed on dry ground....Now, if they come back - put those swords up and heave ho - stand your ground and never give up. Now that my friends is true courage, integrity and honor...
633. Posted by Deb G. | September 16, 2006 11:42 PM |
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634. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 12:07 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
2VR:
"She must have realized she'd stand out like a sore thumb as a blonde, blue-eyed woman, but maybe slightly less as a dark brown haired, blue-eyed woman."
VR, trust me, this is a fallacy.
1) Kant town has largely Russian population. Most of real Russians (if not of Cossack or Ukrainian or Asian-Tatar stock ) tend to be blonde and blue eyed. Russians are Nordic folks.
2) Some of the Kyrgyz folks have blonde hair and blue eyes, probably 1 in a hundred, say, my grandmother and couisin are blue eyed, and cousin is blonde, but with oriental eyes. We came from Ural Mointains-Western Siberia to Central Asia centuries ago. Today's Kyrgyzstan is not our native land.
She would draw an attention because of Western European looks, because of the fact that she is not looking like ethnic Russian. Even with dyed hair she would draw an attention.
634. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 12:07 AM |
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635. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 12:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy
"Kuba or Gogi (this is a long shot) – but is there perhaps a “drug” district in Kant where one could purchase erythropoietin (the blood doping drug, EPO)?"
Many of normally "prescription only" drugs can purchased in Kyrgyzstan over the counter in the drug stores. Just show the money. She would rather purchase erythropoietin in Bishkek, I cannot check that personnaly, but she would.
635. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 12:24 AM |
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636. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 12:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy:
What if, Jill went to Clinic in Bishkek to get a blood transfusion? The area, where she took the taxi, is mushroomed with clinics in close proximity. Cpecial Surgical Clinic, Cardiology Center, Urology Center, National Hospital, just to name a few.
She could obtain all required things directly from clinics, with no fuss.
636. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 12:35 AM |
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637. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 1:57 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
2Deb G:
"LOL I feel she dyed her hair to make it look like a bridenapping as they tend to shave hair and make it black out of embarrasement for a woman not accepting a man...I don't know all the details, but brown would more suit her than black!"
I know that you are joking, but in case if someone gets above story straight:
JUST for the sake of making things more clear about our Kyrgyz good auld bride-stealing customs,
just to clear out foggy misconceptions for folks around in this board, I'll try to formulate following:
1)
That particular area, Kant and Bishkek is unlikely place to get bridenapped. Bridenapping is more likely to happen in rural areas with predominant Kyrgyz population, where those good (or bad?) auld traditions still survive.
2) As someone mentioned earlier, non-Kyrgyz women are not normally abducted for marriage.
(I could imagine the following scene:
Parents are anxious to meet the bride, and Kyrgyz Lad Almaz brings home Jill Metzger. Parents would be crying foul "Sonny, Almaz, what happened to you? What is your Agenda? Who is that? Are there not enough Kyrgyz girls anymore? And what villagers are going to say about us? And off the parents go, in procrastination."
I think WizBang mentioned it.
3) And look at Jill Metzger's age: she's 33.
Kyrgyz women aged 18-23, residents of rural areas with tribal traditions still surviving into 21 century, are candidates for bridenapping.
Kyrgyz women older than 23 are considered hopeless spinsters in those rural areas.
Jill Metzger, even hardly pushed, squashed and squeezed, cannot fit no way into those criterion in item 3. PERIOD.
4) Women in Chuy region, where US airbase is located, are emancipated. Go try abduct them!
They and their parents would probably raise a hell. It will likely to end up in prison term.
637. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 1:57 AM |
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638. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 3:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"She would draw an attention because of Western European looks, because of the fact that she is not looking like ethnic Russian. Even with dyed hair she would draw an attention."
Just to give a more ground to my statement :
Let's look at Maria Sharapova's pics, ethnic Russian ( I chose her, because it just amazes me that the way how Maria has very Russian looks about her. She is a model of typical Russian woman.)
http://www.webpark.ru/comments.php?id=11434
and Jill Metzger's looks on the top of the Wizbang blog. The way of a difference between them. Although they both would presumably belong to Caucasean race. By the way, Jill is a model of very typical North Western Europen Woman.
Been there, and I know the place.
I almost unfailingly pick Westernen European out of the crowd of ethnic Kyrgyz or Russians or other natives of Kyrgyzstan walking on the streets of Bishkek. Piece of cake.
That is way there were so many eyewitnesses seeing Jill doing this, doing that. Jiil Metzger does stand out of crowd like sore thumb, but not because of her hair and eye color, it's because of her looks, very Western European, it's just inexplicable... I do not know what is that. Words cannot explain that.
638. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 3:09 AM |
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639. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 4:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
http://www.kub.kz/article.php?sid=14419
The movie, which opens in November, is a faux documentary that follows Borat on a road trip across the United States as he hangs with ghetto boys, tries to kidnap Pamela Anderson (aka Jill Metzger) and asks a car salesman to sell him a vehicle that will attract "a woman with the shave down there."
Kazakhstan withdrew once upon a time the license for oil mining from British oil corporations, and now Brits are getting their revenge with their Borat. :)
639. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 17, 2006 4:42 AM |
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640. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 10:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Okay, call me naïve, but last night while simultaneously watching four football games (ain’t technology great?) I came up with a theory that gives Major Jill every benefit of the doubt as to character. Maybe a little arrogant, maybe a trifle stupid, but still the benefit of the doubt on most of the things we’ve been bandying about here.
She decides to go on the MWR trip to ostensibly buy “stuff” for family back home and just to get off the base. Rock fever has set in. She’s nervous, what with the marathon coming up, new marriage, needs a distraction.
While on the trip, she intends to join a friend for a cup of coffee, say hello/buhbye, who knows when they will see each other again, blahblahblah. Against the rules to leave the group, but hey, what’s going to happen in a couple of hours in a fairly safe city? (BTW, anyone whose been at Manas have any idea how long these trips last? I'm assuming based on experience elsewhere, an afternoon. Say, 3-5 hours in town?)
For some reason, friend cannot meet her (work, other obligations) near TSUM, so she takes a cab to their location. Totally innocent, maybe someone she has known for a while, perhaps from a previous tour in another of the world's more interesting places.
If they haven’t seen one another on this deployment, perhaps they have been in contact by phone/email. “It would be great to get a chance to see you while you are here.” Any of us with a military/government background have "friends" we don't see for years. It's the nature of the beast. We also tend to have long and varied Christmas card lists.
The friend is either TCN or US type who is not stationed “on base.” Perhaps contractor, SOC, USAID. Probably male, because if it’s another woman, I can’t see the need for any subterfuge. They are “just friends” but perhaps brand new DH/others would not understand that. Appearance of impropriety and all.
I have no idea if Major Jill has any idea that she seems to have a bit of a “reputation.” It’s been my experience that the person involved is often the last to realize that little factoid. (Disclaimer—I do not know the woman, I have no idea if she does indeed have a “rep,” and if so if it is deserved or not).
As I said, this theory, other than breaking the rules on leaving the group, is totally innocent. This is a “buddy,” nothing more. She tells someone on the tour to “cover” for her if she is a few minutes late getting back. Say she didn’t feel well, she’s in the ladies room or she had to wait in line to buy a great Kyrgyz whatever for her mom…..but this doesn’t buy more than fifteen minutes.
Something unplanned has happened. She’s been in a taxi accident, driver got lost, she got mugged, lost track of time, can’t get bus/cab back to TSUM, add your own theory here.
The group goes into "pull the handles" mode, and assumes something “very bad” has happened. Calls the base/Embassy. Perhaps the coverer ‘fesses up that Jill asked him/her to do so, but has no idea why he/she was asked for the favor.
Suddenly, for Major Jill, it’s “Hotel Sierra!” time. She has been reported “missing.” State department types are involved. OSI is involved. Local police are involved. Perhaps even alphabet agencies are involved.
Now, instead of getting at worst an Article 15 and more likely no more than a “Major, are you completely stupid?,” a$$chewing, she’s all over the 24 hour news cycle and it’s an international incident.
Instead of just getting a cab back to the bases and saying, "Hey, cancel the alert, I just plain old screwed up," she and her friend make up a story to try and CYA. It backfires because it’s too out there for anyone to believe.
The stay at Landshutl is more because she's an emotional wreck than anything physical. The medical/psych types are afraid she's going to go into complete meltdown if they don't give her a few days to decompress before going home to questions from family.
We’ve all done really dumb things. We’ve all tried to cover up really dumb things we’ve done (even if we were ten years old and blamed our brother for breaking the antique lamp, forgetting he was at baseball practice at the time).
It’s a little more dignified than some of the other theories. At worst, in this one she’s dumber than dirt and probably shouldn’t be commanding anyone.
640. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 10:00 AM |
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641. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 10:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink,
ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. Maybe even likely. But if so, it's astounding that she would have gone to the extreme she did with her story.
1. She stayed away for 3 days! If she was just laying low and having her Sierra Hotel moments and planning out her story, surely she could have come up with a better one. And where did she go for 3 days? If it was something innocent (saying buhbye to friend, ride cancelling out) I would think the average person would endure their SH moments for perhaps 3 HOURS, and then decide the longer it went on the worse it was, and would then give up and call the base on the cellphone.
2. Why the hair dye? why? why? I am just stuck on this hair dye thing. Perhaps she did think it would look more like a bride-napping; Kuba has explained to us that this is wrong, but she would have the same dumb American notions we have about it.
3. If she went for coffee with a friend, if it was something that innocent, SURELY she would not have gotten so desperate as to make up the kidnapping story, even if she decided she'd try to avoid the Article 15/LOR/ass-chewing with a lie. SURELY she would have made up a less interesting lie, "I got lost and my cellphone wouldn't work" or something like that. Perhaps you're right, she just made the world's most colossally stupid decision to make up the kidnapping story to cover up something relatively innocent, but it seems to me a colossal lie is usually told to cover up a colossal mistake.
641. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 10:55 AM |
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642. Posted by Deb G. | September 17, 2006 10:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba: LOL, yup, I was kidding. I have very little knowledge idea about the rules of bridenapping. However, you're right about the age thing....She is considered OLD to them....
Shrink: Theory sounds good, but the whole bomb in pocket, follow instruction thing........and why would she disappear for 4 FOUR days??? Someone, other than herself, had to know where she was. I am thinking the AF knows exactly what happened and they are giving this a week or so before telling SOME type of story to the public - or heck, maybe not at all....eventually, SOMEONE will talk it and eventually facts are going to start coming out....kind of like that guy that raped that girl and then lit her on fire and also killed her family, the guys he was with covered for him for a while and then BANG all came out....
642. Posted by Deb G. | September 17, 2006 10:59 AM |
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643. Posted by Deb G. | September 17, 2006 11:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dignity? Judging by this incident, the lack of facts, the asking of privacy, the lack of a homecoming given by the AF themselves for their supposed HERO who escaped kidnappers -- at this point, she has shown no dignity.....and then to blame on the Kryg gov. at a time we are rubbing their feet for air space, etc....shameful
643. Posted by Deb G. | September 17, 2006 11:03 AM |
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644. Posted by ikj | September 17, 2006 11:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I've been catching up tongith... spent the day at Osan. Anyway, someone metioned (way up above) that they felt bad for Jill and her family. I do too. I think we all want justice from this. Many folks who've been affected by some of her previous affairs probably don't mind seeing her house of cards fall. It's human nature... it's expected.
The Jill that I knew in college was a bit immature... but heck, she was 19. She was, however, very driven, very dedicated and very competative. Taken to extremes, I can see how some personality disorders can result. (Things like pursuing "taken" men for sport, egotism, feeling cornered/ trapped are easy to see in hindsight).
I really do feel bad for Jill. Not necessarily for what she "went through" in Kyrgyzstan but rather, I feel bad for Jill because of what she's chosen to put first in her life or perhaps for how she measures her self worth.
I hope for three things... honestly: 1. That she is properly dealt with by the AF once the truth comes out. 2. That this experience changes Jill... that she can use this (whatever happened) to grow and refocus her life and better her character. 3. That her marriage can be reconciled (if, indeed it has been crushed).
You never know what caused this... although the abortion/ affair story is possible and appealing to the Jerry Springer in us, I think there is just as much of a chance that she felt trapped an then panicked.
This theory mates up with Jill's character too: as a newlywed, she was on her way to finally facing her "till death do us part" committment. Jill doesn't like being contained...never has.
644. Posted by ikj | September 17, 2006 11:14 AM |
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645. Posted by ikj | September 17, 2006 11:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-------Bored to tears-------
In which squadron at CHS did this occur (the cheating Major)... you said MSG? I don't think I knew about that one... and I was privy to a lot as the CP Chief. You mentioned wing "queen", so I know when you were talking about (summer '04 to Nov '05).
645. Posted by ikj | September 17, 2006 11:20 AM |
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646. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 11:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, yeah, I agree, my theory is out there on the edges of "Strange to go to this point to cover up something that innocent."
However, I've seen people do things that defy any logic to avoid "getting in trouble" when the thing they did in the first place was something that wouldn't have mattered all that much.
If she's a real gung ho Type A personality (no clue if she is or isn't), they have a very difficult time admitting mistakes. A ridiculous story like this would probably seem preferable to embarassment.
I'm with VR on the hair dye thing. She and whoever she was with did it to lend credence to the kidnap/bridenap theory. She wouldn't know that was a highly unlikely, and probably figured gullible American's would buy it.
646. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 11:22 AM |
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647. Posted by Gh | September 17, 2006 12:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
My curiosity was peaked the first night when she disappeared. I saw a quick blurb about it on CNN and then really nothing. No real follow-up by the major Medias. I first thought, something like what happened to the Israeli solders and that started a little war.
So I was hooked in just trying to get info. I write short stories a hobby and when the MC trance story came out that’s when I got real interested.
But after seeing that pic of leaving the mall, I really wanted to be a fly on the wall when she told the authorities her ‘bomb in the pocket’ story and the reaction she gave when they showed her those pics. Hmmm priceless!
647. Posted by Gh | September 17, 2006 12:15 PM |
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648. Posted by SAHM With No Clever Moniker | September 17, 2006 1:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm like you, Gh. I've been lurking up until now. I have a friend whose husband worked with Ms. Metzger while stationed in Germany a few years ago. She sent me the link to the CNN article. She felt more worried b/c this time it was someone they knew (although I don't know how well), so it hit a little more close to home for them. After the second day, I couldn't find any new info, so I did a Google search and came across this site. I've been keeping up with it since then.
I live just south of Raleigh, and imagine my surprise when I found out that her parents (the Metzgers) live maybe 2 hours away. So then I was checking the local news (WRAL). Still nothing aside from the interviews with her parents. And my friend is now stationed at Wright-Patterson (her hubby ran the 1/2 marathon yesterday), and they don't have any new info. And we used to live in CO a few years ago so I was checking into the Rocky Mtn News. AND I'm from GA (many friends and relatives still there), so we check that news often as well. So many connections, so little info. That's another reason I stayed here. You all know of so many other news sources that I am not aware of. Really, I don't live in a hole, just near one :)
I've been asking around to my other Mommy friends, and only 1 (I didn't say that my circle was large) was familiar with the story. Both she and my AF wife friend think the story is bazarre and wonder what the truth is. I'm not sure how my other friend knew about this story. She's got some AF friends, too, so I'm not sure if it is through them or the local media.
Anyhow, the results of her actions do worry me, most especially if she fabricated her tale (I'm really trying hard to take the wait-and-see attitude, not b/c I care if I am right or not, I don't know her, just know of her). I have friends in Navy, AF, Coast Guard, and now my brother is in the Army. He's finishing up his AIT in VA and will be heading to Germany (Storck, I believe) in a couple of months. Beings that this is a "female" thing, I'm not AS worried about him, but who knows when and how the state of the world may change.
Thanks for letting me share, even though I am probably naive on many levels and can't offer much from my little spot in the world. I've enjoyed following this blog. Entertaining, insightful, thought provoking...
Oh, and where can I get an English-Military/Military-English dictionary? It would really help me out alot :)
648. Posted by SAHM With No Clever Moniker | September 17, 2006 1:04 PM |
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649. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 1:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, I don't know where you get the dictionary, lol.
Actually, you sorta need four since there are four different dialects, AF, Army, Navy and Marine.
Now, AF and Army usually understand each other, so do Navy and Marines.
Hey, the NAVY even tried to complicate things by giving all their officers different ranks than everyone else. Talk about messed up! ;' )
649. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 1:32 PM |
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650. Posted by Been There, Too | September 17, 2006 2:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Bored to Tears --
I remember that scandal. I was just coming in but it was the talk of the bar (that one by the gym? But they moved it right after I got there to a big clamshell) I was confused why nobody was doing anything if it was that obvious.
Someone asked how long these off base trips were at Manas. Here is the deal -- someone, like a commander, had to sign off that you were going off base. You got a driver and had to give your plans to both OSI and to PERSCO. Then you "checked out" of the base, and someone in charge had to have a cell phone. I don't think they let anyone off base unless there was a Senior NCO or higher on the trip.
So it is possible that Maj Metzger was the highest ranking, and thus, "in charge" of that group of people. Doesn't that just add a little something to her story? If she was about to go home, and these were her troops going out for a last hurrah, she was the highest ranking and that would mean she ditched them. Nobody flame me, I'm just drawing some conclusions. I just think it makes it worse.
I agree with everyone that it is weird we haven't heard diddly since she came home. Nothing. No People mag interview, no Today show, not even a Larry King live.
Wonder why?
650. Posted by Been There, Too | September 17, 2006 2:26 PM |
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651. Posted by Lurker | September 17, 2006 2:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think the key is when they decided to go back to the base without her. Who makes that decision, and how long did they stay before giving it up? If they just gave it 10-20 minutes and then went back, it means they all were in on it, or at least whoever was driving. If they stayed a while and panicked, or called the police from the store, then maybe they didn't know.
Kuba Krygz, were there any reports that said the police responded that day to the store, or were they not notified until the group returned to base?
651. Posted by Lurker | September 17, 2006 2:32 PM |
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652. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 2:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SAHM with NCM: I too am amazed at how little attention this story is getting in my area (huge metropolitan city in Texas). My colleagues at work say "Yeah, I heard something about that a week or two ago" if they heard anything at all.
My guess is the AF will release a very bland statement soon, something like "Based on our investigation we are confident that Major Metzger was not the victim of a kidnapping. We will continue the investigation." And that will be the end of the statement and then they'll hope all interest in the story goes away. She'll be quietly disciplined. The only way we'll hear what happened is if the popular media picks the story up.
652. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 2:48 PM |
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653. Posted by liberty | September 17, 2006 2:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The government generally has a "no comment" policy when questioned by the media about punishment choices with military members. I have prosecuted or been involved with several cases that generated considerable public interest (at least in the local community). While prosecuting, we never provide information to the media, at least not on the wing level where courts take place. However, stories will and do fly. Whether any one story or set of "facts" is true is the question.
Although I have a small amount of empathy for JM, I believe she most likely made the abberant choices that created this mess. I do, however, feel great empathy for her parents and husband who she has most likely shamed on an interntional stage. As I said in a previous post, the amount of hurt that one person can cause with a few stupid decisions is tremendous--lives and happiness cavalierly and selfishly destroyed.
Assume for a moment that JM did lie in an official investigation or did commit the offense of AWOL, two of the most frequest possibilities suggested on this board. Even at that, we are not talking about a repeat or career criminal--a serial molestor, long term embezzelment, repeated domestic violence. etc. So, the most intriguing aspect of this case, to me, is that JM was an officer who apparently had it all on a professional level (seemingly anyway). Although I am somewhat curious about what actually happened, I am far more interested in the why. What mental lapse caused her to throw "it" all away.
Also, do not forget that behind all this mess is a military member who has served at least 10 years of honorable service--we all poke and ridicule--I have gotten a few good laughs from this board. However, there is a human who is in all sorts of trouble right now ,both personal and professional--a tragedy really.
653. Posted by liberty | September 17, 2006 2:57 PM |
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654. Posted by liberty | September 17, 2006 2:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The government generally has a "no comment" policy when questioned by the media about punishment choices with military members. I have prosecuted or been involved with several cases that generated considerable public interest (at least in the local community). While prosecuting, we never provide information to the media, at least not on the wing level where courts take place. However, stories will and do fly. Whether any one story or set of "facts" is true is the question.
Although I have a small amount of empathy for JM, I believe she most likely made the abberant choices that created this mess. I do, however, feel great empathy for her parents and husband who she has most likely shamed on an interntional stage. As I said in a previous post, the amount of hurt that one person can cause with a few stupid decisions is tremendous--lives and happiness cavalierly and selfishly destroyed.
Assume for a moment that JM did lie in an official investigation or did commit the offense of AWOL, two of the most frequest possibilities suggested on this board. Even at that, we are not talking about a repeat or career criminal--a serial molestor, long term embezzelment, repeated domestic violence. etc. So, the most intriguing aspect of this case, to me, is that JM was an officer who apparently had it all on a professional level (seemingly anyway). Although I am somewhat curious about what actually happened, I am far more interested in the why. What mental lapse caused her to throw "it" all away.
Also, do not forget that behind all this mess is a military member who has served at least 10 years of honorable service--we all poke and ridicule--I have gotten a few good laughs from this board. However, there is a human who is in all sorts of trouble right now ,both personal and professional--a tragedy really.
654. Posted by liberty | September 17, 2006 2:57 PM |
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655. Posted by PAC | September 17, 2006 3:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Can someone tell me where to locate the picture of Jill leaving the mall? Enquiring minds want to know...
thanks!
655. Posted by PAC | September 17, 2006 3:00 PM |
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656. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 3:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi all!
I have enjoyed reading these posts today as we have changed course from speculating and theorizing the actual events to Jill’s motivation and our own interests in this bizarre case.
As IKJ stated, “folks who've been affected by some of her previous affairs probably don't mind seeing her house of cards fall. It's human nature... it's expected”. It is true that I have been directly affected by Jill’s past indiscretions; however, I am not sure if my interest is more due to vengeful feelings or the hope that Jill learns and grows from this experience. For my own sake, I am hoping my obsession is due to the latter.
I think most of you stated empathy for the person Jill – I find that interesting, as empathy is an emotion that in my opinion Jill lacked. Lack of empathy and remorse combined with her competitive and impermeable personality is the mentality that I believe allowed Jill to sacrifice a 10-year military career.
Personal feelings for Jill aside, I do feel empathy for her family and especially her husband. Perhaps this is why my obsession is due to hoping Jill grows from this incident. Had Jill accepted responsibility for what she did to others on this blog and me instead of feeling victorious and justified in her actions, then maybe her family would not be experiencing this pain now. Hopefully this incident is catastrophic enough for Jill to be given the gift of feeling empathy and remorse.
656. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 3:49 PM |
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657. Posted by lurker | September 17, 2006 3:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Picture link from one of the few people that really had anything useful to add to this forum (Gogi from KG):
http://delo.ktnet.kg/2006/30/images/0202.jpg
657. Posted by lurker | September 17, 2006 3:50 PM |
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658. Posted by just curious | September 17, 2006 3:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
PAC: Can someone tell me where to locate the picture of Jill leaving the mall?
This blog, posted by Gogi from KG at September 14, 2006 09:45 PM.
658. Posted by just curious | September 17, 2006 3:56 PM |
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659. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 4:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
One more post and then I've got to go do something productive before work tomorrow.
What I don't comprehend is why she would have gone to Bishkek/Kant to have an abortion. Why the heck not wait until she got back?
Even if there are no services available in Valdosta, there are in Tallahassee. That's not that far away. She could have told the DH she was going shopping for honeymoon clothes for heaven's sake. Spa day, having her nails done, whatever. It doesn't take that long if there are no complications. Up to 14 weeks, it's pretty easy to arrange.
If she was under 9/10 wks, she could have used RU486 (forget the name they are using now) and literally NO ONE would have known. It's like a very heavy period for most women.
I realize she and DH were headed off on a honeymoon, but after a surgical abortion (which is what has been alluded to here) you're not supposed to have sex for 14 days. Somehow, I kinda think a new husband of all of ten days prior to her deployment would have wondered if she kept saying not tonight I have a headache.
When I was around the ADAF, TDY/Deployment babies were a normal phenomenon--some wings had unofficial pools to see which squadron had the most 'new daddies/mommies' nine months after a big return. Okay, that was back in the day before total PC and when it was mostly guys who were deployed. I can't see a newlywed telling the DH 'no sex' after four months apart without a pretty good excuse.
659. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 4:55 PM |
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660. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 5:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink:
True, true, true. None of it makes any sense. If, as I theorized a while ago, she had an abortion because a pregnancy would have made it difficult to run the marathon, she wouldn't and couldn't have expected to be able to run anyway due to the discomfort and bleeding. We did hear a report earlier of a doctor on Kyrgz TV verifying an abortion, but no one has been able to confirm it, so perhaps it's time to put that theory to rest. (It's not, however, hard to imagine that if that doctor DID say something, he's been "convinced" to stay quiet now.)
It's hard to come up with something else that would be so important she felt she had to risk everything to do it 3 days before she was scheduled to leave. The EPO/blood doping idea is interesting. But then that theory, like the theory that she was doing something totally innocuous, leaves us wondering why it took her 3 or 4 days before she showed up again. What could she have possibly been doing or thinking for DAYS??
660. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 5:13 PM |
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661. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 5:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow! A lot has been going on since I’ve been gone, unfortunately though no news. There are a lot of good theories out there; the abortion, going to visit friends, marathon theories, etc. All of them are a possibility, or it could that Jill was going thru some major depression and decided to take off for a while without thinking of the repercussions. I have no idea which of these theories is right, as I think all or non could have taken place. However, we do know that Jill must be going through a lot right now, and most be really scared. A side of me can’t comprehend why she would think that she could get away with whatever it is that she did. I know that Jill has been a Section Commander before (we were both Section CCs at the same base), and as a Section Commander you deal with Articles 15 and Court Martials all the time. Because of this I think that in the back of her head she had to know that she was heading for trouble, so what in the world could motivate her to do this? I don’t know, and we may never find out (though I hope we will). In some ways I feel that she is intelligent enough to have known this, and I don’t feel sorry for her. I also don’t feel sorry for her because she has caused a lot of pain to others just for the heck of it. As an officer, I’m mad at her because she has made us all look bad and may have stained the relationship between to nations. I also know that if she created this, every airman will pay for it, because I assure you they will all hear about it during their basic training…I’m sure that at least a coupe lesson plans will be on this. However as much as I’ve joked about her, in some ways I feel a little bit sorry for her but who I really feel sorry is her family and husband. They don’t deserve to be going thru this, especially her husband who just married her a few days before the deployment. Do you think he would’ve if he knew how messed up she was? I’m hoping they (the family) will get through this, cause I ‘m sure they are going thru hell right now.
661. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 5:52 PM |
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662. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 6:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just some notes for additional thought.
This info is only as good as it's sources, but they are local - Moody - sources.
Jill is home this weekend. No marathon. Wasn't it suppose to be run in her honor? Guess they forgot to mention it?
Are you aware that Josh and Jill do not live together - as of the time she deployed anyway? They could not get joint orders. He lives in another state. I wonder how long he will remain in Valdosta before he is due back on his base? Another reason for backing out of marriage? Due to this fact, she probably does not know many of his co-workers.
When she arrived in Germany, she was ADAMENT that she did NOT want her husband to come to her. The AF brought him anyway. ??
Yes, her office and co-workers ARE under gag order. You hear NOTHING around Moody. It is not discussed.
Another note: when a "POW" or "Victim" returns to base - as is my experience - there is a huge celebration. Red carpet, band, high-ranking officials...she came in Under the radar. HOWEVER, the "club" did offer a free meal to everyone that came that night to greet her. Only 18 came - mostly family. Yes, I was told Col. Callahan was there along with 2-3 other military. Only 2-3 base personnel for a kidnapped hostage? Jessica Lynch got a parade didn't she? There again, heresay from club staff.
And where is Josh's mom? He does have one that is married to his dad. Is she supporting Jill?
Last point: trust me - they are not the sweet innocent parents that they appear to be. In s. Ga., it is not appropriate to call your mother "mommy" after about 1st grade --nor is it "normal" for parents to call her "jilly-Willy" at age 33. These are normal daily names for each other. A couple of other examples of control.... Jill picked out her wedding dress.. mom changed it to the one mom like when Jill wasn't present. When "mommy" is present, she tells Jilly every item to wear - even down the shoes. Jill does exactly what she is told. In her work place, she is a Major and from what I hear, A good one.
It'll be interesting to see if she come back to work - probably has about 2 weeks off.
662. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 6:08 PM |
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663. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 6:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Another thought: Thanks for that info..its amazing the kind of relationship that she has with her parents. Maybe it was them who made her crazy. I knew that Josh wasn't stationed in the same place, he is in Panama City, and yes I do wonder how long he'll be up there. Something here is just terribly bad....very bad.
663. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 6:14 PM |
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664. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 6:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Another Thought:
Wow, great info! Thanks.
I had heard the controling parents thing a few years ago and was shocked to hear it then knowing how strong-willed Jill is.
Josh is stationed in Florida and I think Jill has been stationed at Moody long enough to apply for joint-spouse. Can any AF confirm if Time on Station is still 12 months before applying? This would mean she applied right after the wedding and maybe was now reconsidering? What would Mommy say to a divorce?
Interesting that she didn't want her husband in Germany. This might confirm "runaway bride" theory and an additional "runaway 33 year old daughter".
Any female can feel empathy for a girl that is not allowed wear cute shoes! Is this why she always wore Birkenstocks? What about lipgloss? Could she wear lipgloss? If these are true facts, I would have given her a safe haven away from that madness if she had asked. No need to run away in a foreign land...and after shoe shopping I would have taken her to Jose for a decent color/cut and style!
I am wondering if the base hosted the "welcome back" dinner to make everything seem normal. Could they be concerned that she is depressed/suicidal?
664. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 6:24 PM |
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665. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 6:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here is another tid-bit of the creapy info.
EVERYONE in Jill's family has a first name starting with "J". She once told a boyfriend (he was one of my good friends) that she could never marry him because his first name did not start with a J. Could someone remind me the name of her husband???
Strange.
Another Thought's post reminded me of something else. Anyone ever watch The General's Daughter? Has John Travolta in it and it came out 4 or 5 years ago. That story line ALWAYS reminding me of Jill. How extremely professional she was at work and her personal life was totally messed up. If you are completely obsessed with this case go out and rent it immediately.
665. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 6:42 PM |
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666. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 6:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It would seem to be a given that she would be depressed whether she was beaten/kidnapped/etc...or whether she has just destroyed her career, ruined marriage, and have parents upset.
With the control issue, I know for a fact, that she called her mom 45 minutes before her wedding rehearsal and asked mom what did she want her to wear. Her mom told her, in complete detail, down to the "cute little sandals." A 33 Year OLD MAJOR? And she had not decided on this info days or weeks before? Just not normal for the south.
At another time, when I asked her about her mother's control, she stated "I just want to make her happy."
I'm not sure mom and dad have ever been happy. You know, the "A" student that should have done better?
666. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 6:46 PM |
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667. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 6:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Only 18 people went to her welcome home dinner??? Then for sure people who know something are talking. In the civilian world, hundreds would have shown up just for the curiosity factor alone. The military is big on "return with honor", so obviously those at Moody knew she hadn't. And the only way they knew was because people are talking. The story will come out.
667. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 6:48 PM |
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668. Posted by PAC | September 17, 2006 6:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just Curious...thanks for the repost of jill leaving the mall...not sure how i missed it...is that Santa outside?
668. Posted by PAC | September 17, 2006 6:49 PM |
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669. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 7:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is all starting to make a very creepy sort of sense now.
If this info from Moody is true, if Mumsy and Daddy are the nightmares portrayed, no wonder she has 'issues.'
Not unusual for daughters with very controlling parents to have personal lives that are a bit less than pristine. Not something M&D can control, now is it? They just plain will not want to know about that part of darling daughter's life.
Kinda makes me wonder if a few months back Mumsy happened to mention that Jilly wasn't getting any younger, and it was time for her to produce a grandbaby or two for her to show off to her friends at the retired OWC bridge luncheons.
"Why don't you marry that nice young man with the "J" name you are seeing, dear? You can have two children, eighteen months apart, and name them Joanna and Jacob. I'll plan out the rest of your life after that."
Maybe more like runaway daughter than runaway bride. Poor husband probably just got caught in the crossfire.
669. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 7:11 PM |
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670. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 7:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In the parent's defense, the times that I have been around them, mom is very soft spoken - as on the tv interview. I'm sure they love her dearly and want the best for her AND for JILL to be her best - according to their standards. I would NEVER accuse them of abusive behavior BUT Jill desperately wants to please them. Most adults cut the apron strings. When they got married, I really felt sorry for Josh as I felt that he would never have a say in his marriage against in-laws.
ie: In tv interview, did anyone notice that mom stated that when Jill bought her house recently, mom came down and purchased accesories and DECORATED it. Of course, Jill paid them back - she also stated. Again, this is unusual. A women - or at least her future husband would like to have some say in the way and style that her home was decorated in. It's not like mom has any great talent in this area. Parents were just "helping" her out.
670. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 7:23 PM |
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671. Posted by bored to tears | September 17, 2006 7:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well I'm back. IKJ, it was SVS. Been there too, yeah I'm surprised how those on 7/8 were all too aware of it too. It was pretty blatant and the rumor mill was all over the place. First off, as a person i had great respect for the Major as a person when I would run into him. He really appeared to have genuine concern for his troops, which from what I have seen and heard isn't all that common in services. But alot of his guys loved him and were not so much as pissed as just dissapointed by it. I think the general feeling I got by these guys goes along with the comment about the General's Daughter (which is a great movie by the way) that he was married and willing to give up his wife and kids for a piece of patch? Kinda mind boggling.
Been there too, I left right after they finished moving the clamshell over. That was the original pete's but it was right across from Persco and they wanted to bring it deeper into the compound so they had to move everything over to the little tent for a couple weeks. Being friends with those SVS guys was a blast when I was there, but from what i gathered the new SVS unit that took over for them absolutely nazi like. A couple of the maintainers that were left behind for a couple of months from McChord told me that Pete's was absolutely boring after 5/6 left.
Ok, and since you were there and none of the guys here have told me anything, was any of that sports stuff still hanging up when you were there? The 5/6 guys at Pete's went nuts getting a bunch of donations from different NFL and MLB teams and while not quite as elegant the old Pete's had a real Sports Bar feel to it. Someone told me they didn't see any of that in February so I was wondering what happened to it all. I guess if no one is using it, I would really like to have that big Seahawks flag they had.
671. Posted by bored to tears | September 17, 2006 7:34 PM |
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672. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 7:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmm... I don't know. Why would she run away in Kyrgyzstan? Why not wait until after the marathon and then hop a bus to Bangor? Or even sneak away at their planned military stopover in Germany (or Ireland, or wherever it was)? Perhaps if she had met a man in Kant...
I am going to have a long talk with my parental units about how they should never, ever, ever under any circumstances grant interviews or any statements whatsoever if I am captured, missing, arrested, or otherwise inconvenienced. I can only IMAGINE the pathological stories about MY family...and my choice in footwear...and my general lack of lip gloss awareness.
672. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 7:36 PM |
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673. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 7:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Another Thought:
Do you know if her parents put this much pressure on their other children? Just wondering.
I can not imagine any Mother thinking it is appropriate to decorate their daughter's house when SHE purchased it. I didn't see the interview.
I didn't think you were suggesting abuse - those kids usually don't care if they please their parents.
Thanks for giving us another perspective on her possible motives. I hope when everything is done Jill finally decides to live for her own happiness. Maybe she never even wanted to be in the AF?
VR:
I am with YOU! My family is full of whack jobs and I can only imagine the field day they would have! "well, she isn't too bright so she could just be lost or busy checking for split ends and didn't know she missed the bus..." I am suddenly grateful they could care less about my life let alone my shoe choice : )
673. Posted by Happy | September 17, 2006 7:43 PM |
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674. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 7:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
a.t., I deal with abused children daily. Trust me, bruises and scars aren't the only evidence of abuse. No matter how well meaning, excessive and unrealistic demands on a child can be emotional abuse.
Most people who make it to adulthood (especially when past 30) manage to cut the apron strings no matter if they had great parents or horrible ones.
A 33 year old woman with a seemingly successful career, a new marriage and even a well known talent for something outside her career, and her mother decorates her home for her (oh, and lets her pay the bill, I could almost accept this if it was a wedding gift)? Tells her what to wear? CHANGES HER WEDDING DRESS?
A NORMAL woman in those circumstances after a few "come to Jesus" conversations with Mom would say, "When you can learn to respect my boundries, I'll be happy to interact with you. Until then, don't call me, I'll call you."
This is NOT normal.
674. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 7:46 PM |
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675. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 8:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink: Did you see the interview. It would be interesting to hear your prespective. Forgive me, it was dad who told about the decorating....
http://www.wral.com/video/9807496/detail.html
This interview was done BEFORE it was officially known that she was safe.
675. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 8:04 PM |
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676. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 8:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just watched part of it. Hadn't seen it before.
My first thought?
If Dad is such a military expert, and his daughter has been abuducted (at that point most would have thought by and I believe he mentioned TERRORISTS) why the heck was he running his mouth about all of his daughter's accomplishments? Why was he giving any out information at all about her?
I kind of got the "Steel Magnolia" thing from Mom. Soft, quiet, but if you don't do what I want, watch out.
Unless AF SOP has changed radically in 15 years I'm amazed that they did that kind of piece. Husband flew in GWI and in one of the many ops over the Balkins, forget what the heck it was called. GWI was of course the first 'instant news' war.
The SOP then was if anything happens, you keep your mouth shut. You refer any and all press inquires to the Wing. You say NOTHING except "I'm sure the military are doing everything possible. Please remember him in your prayers." PERIOD. You give out nothing that could possibly be used by the other side, including you whailing and crying on camera.
So, imho, either Mom and Dad knew something before they granted the interview and it was an "It's okay to come out now, honey!," they thought might have been picked up by CNN International or whatever, or they are thicker than a plank. If they really thought she was missing and might be in the custody of really bad guys, that was stupid to the nth degree.
676. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 8:40 PM |
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677. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 9:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It's really hard to say when you're watching a staged, filmed piece and you have no first hand knowlege of the people.
That said, they looked fairly relaxed, the smiles--I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but I'd put a few bucks on Mom and Dad having had a pretty good idea Jill wasn't in any real danger by then.
677. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 9:00 PM |
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678. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 9:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink; I find it interesting that you are thinking along the same lines as VR several days ago when the video aired.
VR: I hope you don't mind if I repeat your comments to someone like-minded.
The interview with Jill's parents deserves another look. It's long but fascinating:
http://www.wral.com/video/9807496/detail.html
This interview was done BEFORE it was officially known that she was safe. Some things strike me:
1. Her parents CLEARLY know in this video that she is not in danger. They are extremely relaxed. Look at her Dad's body position. When the reporter asks "What kind of a person is Jill?", her Dad LAUGHS. I don't think for a second ANYONE's Dad would laugh when asked for personal information about a kidnapped daughter.
2. This video was clearly (to me) created FOR JILL, to convince her to come back home. They KNEW she was no hostage. They KNEW she had walked away on her own and wasn't likely in danger. They emphasize over and over how much the family loves her, how much fun she has back in the states, all of her hobbies, her DOGS (close up on her dog's face at the end), the extensive prayer circuit with "thousands of people reaching out to her".
3. Dad talks very calmly about "terrorists and fatalities" as part of her military risks. Again, I just can't imagine a Dad talking calmly and laughing about that if he believed his daughter was truly in the hands of an enemy.
4. Jill's Mom has an interesting slip of the tongue when she's discussing a wedding song sung to Jill's new husband. She slips and calls the song "Why'd you do it, Jill?" instead of "Why'd you do it, Josh?" Interesting. And then she very quickly corrects herself.
5. They mention that Jill tends to think "I can do it myself", but urge her to "realize that there is a lot of help out there".
And I see from the recent link to the abc news story that her husband's plea, again BEFORE he supposedly knew she was safe, was "Just be strong. Don't worry about whatever's happened to you, just come on home, all right. We're here for you. Be strong, sweetie." Weird statement to make if he truly believed she had been snatched by hostiles.
Clearly the family knew right from the get-go that she was not kidnapped and that she was probably safe but afraid to come home because of some transgression.
Her parents seem like the nicest people in the world. I feel guilty for doubting her, they're so nice, but doubt I do.
Posted by: VR at September 12, 2006 11:08 AM
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678. Posted by another thought | September 17, 2006 9:10 PM |
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679. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 9:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Couldn'ta said it better myself.
679. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 9:18 PM |
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680. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 9:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, we're either both right, or we're both wrong, I guess!
Glad I'm not out here on a limb by myself. ;' )
680. Posted by Shrink | September 17, 2006 9:24 PM |
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681. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 9:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just saw a very funny line in a branch to this blog, posted by Jim Addison on Sept 9, right after the bizarre story of the "abduction" broke:
"In the immortal words of Dr. Henry Lee, "Something wrong."
681. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 9:44 PM |
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682. Posted by Gh | September 17, 2006 10:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Good point about the parents VR and Another thought!
A too relaxed for me. Dad's posture made think he was going to grab a beer and starting telling war stories soon. Which also makes me wonder how stiff a penalty Metzger will receive. They're clearly not worried.
682. Posted by Gh | September 17, 2006 10:42 PM |
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683. Posted by I'm writing the book | September 17, 2006 11:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Check this out. The last few parachraphs says it all. Mom would like Jill to get out of the AF if it means she can have kids.
683. Posted by I'm writing the book | September 17, 2006 11:03 PM |
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684. Posted by I'm writing the book | September 17, 2006 11:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://www.hendersondispatch.com/articles/2006/09/09/news/news02.txt
sorry here it is.
684. Posted by I'm writing the book | September 17, 2006 11:05 PM |
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685. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 11:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
That same news paper has an article by one of the writers talking about different things in the paper and it mentions Jill's story; here's what it says:
The disappearance and reappearance of Air Force Major Jill Metzger in Kyrgystan is an issue Home In Henderson has been following, according to Feingold.
Since the Henderson native is the victim, he said, “We are not going to blame her until we have some basis to do it, especially from half a world away.”
It be interesting to see if he keeps digging for info. Maybe we should start e-mailing him. Anyway, here's the link.
http://www.hendersondispatch.com/articles/2006/09/16/news/news01.txt
685. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 11:28 PM |
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686. Posted by just curious | September 17, 2006 11:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
From the article in the paper, it seems that one son-in-law and one daughter-in-law have first names not staring with a 'J'. The respective Meztger children must have put their foot down ....
686. Posted by just curious | September 17, 2006 11:35 PM |
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687. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 11:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just wanted to let you all know that I just logged in to an e-mail address that I barely use to e-mail that guy from the henderson dispatch. Well I found a message, sent to me on Friday from the news stationed that compared Jill to other POWs. Here's what it said:
Of course, you are right.
We should not have done it.
Sincerely,
Dave Miller, Director
walb.com
229-446-4040 (Direct)
Did any of you who e-mailed get it too?
687. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 11:37 PM |
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688. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 11:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just curious--I guess they did put their foot down as the kid in the picture (the sister's son) doesn't have a name with J either.
688. Posted by RS | September 17, 2006 11:38 PM |
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689. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 11:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I e-mailed the Feingold guy. If he is "local" and is a rabble-rouser and is looking for publicity, he's our man. I just e-mailed asking for more info, said I'd bookmarked his site, etc.
689. Posted by VR | September 17, 2006 11:42 PM |
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690. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 18, 2006 1:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Kuba Krygz, were there any reports that said the police responded that day to the store, or were they not notified until the group returned to base?
Posted by: Lurker at September 17, 2006 02:32 PM "
Kyrgyz Police demanded US airbase to submit a case after 2 days or so after Jill disappearing, when this kidnapping report already leaked to US media. Until then Kyrgyz police was totally in dark. They got to now about it from US TV broadcast!
PS:
Wow. This blog has grown so big that even my fast connection is taking 2-3 secs to download a page.
Is there any options to show this blog divided into pages?
690. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 18, 2006 1:12 AM |
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691. Posted by just curious | September 18, 2006 3:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If the Kyrgyz police were not informed for two days then this is beginning to look more and more like special ops gone wrong. Either official or an attempt to emulate Dad and Hubby. Silence from Base because they either knew where she was or negotiated her release.
Except for the silly bomb excuse, everything else would fit: leaves group - dyes and cuts hair to be less conspicuous (maybe with the help of a friend at the surgical center, leaves less of a mess) - gets to Kant (taxi and/or bus) - attempts mission - gets caught - gets interrogated - roughed up (black eye) - then dumped.
Was she wearing running clothes? She might have pretended to be doing a practice run in the country past the Soviet farm, which she supposedly had called earlier: http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/world/09/08/8kyrgyzmissing.html ....
Intriguing ....
691. Posted by just curious | September 18, 2006 3:16 AM |
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692. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jill was found with blood on her feet and in clothing too large for her. Special Ops would never allow a story of "bomb in pocket/note and following instructions". Nor would covert/special ops EVER allow blame on another country for their screw up. She would have been given instructions of what to do/say should the mission go bad and NEVER involving another country.
Personnel Officer DO NOT do special ops....
692. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:19 AM |
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693. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:25 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm sticking to the abortion theory, but I find it fascinating to read all these blogs. Blood on feet seen by people in the house she went to and she was in clothes much too large for her. AF might not report this because they might have known about the abortion. The people in the house she went to might have relayed to police finally about a girl coming to their house claiming to be kidnapped. Thus, the story is out. AF would have kept abortion silent as again, this is a HIGHLY PERSONAL situation for anyone nevermind one of their officers, who should not be having sex while deployed AND she is married......
693. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:25 AM |
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694. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 8:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I was reading the report from one of the very recent links. It said the shopping mall was 35 miles from the base. Is that right? That makes it highly unlikely in my mind, if correct, that Jill had any casual friends in the local area around the mall. She was only at the base 4 months, couldn't have had official business 35 miles away as a Personnel officer.
I think it makes perfect sense that the AF didn't notify Kyrgyz police that one of their own was missing. If they had a good idea where she was, they were hoping mightily she just showed up back at the base without incident. I think the AF knew, because I think her parents knew. She has 2 sisters; anything highly emotional or personal ("I'm getting an abortion; I can't do this marriage thing, I need time to think; I've met this wonderful man") might have been shared with a sister.
I was thinking about the sinking feeling that the Embassy Official must have had when she called from the Kyrgyz police station. The embassy may have been clued in on where she was by the AF. Then she calls and says something like, "Hi, I'm Jill Metzger the missing AF officer, and I'm here with the Kyrgyz police telling them about how I was abducted after a bomb was put in my pocket." I wonder just how they phrased the "don't say another word, you fool" advice.
694. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 8:15 AM |
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695. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 8:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
...and isn't it a bit odd, come to think of it, that she called the American Embassy in the first place? Perhaps that's SOP for the police, particularly if they needed a tranlator, but she was in the Air Force. One would think she'd have immediately called the BASE, not the embassy, if she had escaped an abduction. She probably knew she was in trouble if she called the AF, perhaps hoped the Embassy would take her away with less ass-chewing.
695. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 8:24 AM |
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696. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Embassy would have helped her, even with an abortion and she still might have been bleeding from abortion, thus, hoping the Embassy would assist her, rather than the AF finding out about the bleeding part. Thus, once the AF DID find out, they took her immeidately to Landstuhl for medical treatment, to stop her bleeding of possible perforated uterus, which can happen during abortions gone bad......Perhaps, in her wrong mind, she felt that she still had a chance to hide abortion from AF utilizing Embassy assistance KNOWING the trouble she would be in for the abortion part......grrrrrrrr, someone please tell us.....I find it shameful that the AF is offering NO explanation. Perhaps the AF truly does not KNOW the facts and are piecing them together.....
696. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:05 AM |
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697. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 9:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The AF is not going to release any details of what happened. By now, they know. It is not in their interest to give any information except "Don't worry folks, there was no abduction and we are handling the rest." They are probably smoothing things over with the Kyrgyz officials so that they don't feel the need to broadcast any details either. The story will come out, though, if enough people are interested in it. I can imagine a People segment starring Josh Mayo...
697. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 9:23 AM |
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698. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: LOL "AF OSI Officer perplexed at wife's abduction and well, folks, just can't figure this one out".
People: Mr. Mayo (reminds me of an Officer and a Gentleman) Sir, are you aware your wife went missing?
Josh: Well yes, I saw it on FOX news.
People: Do you have any idea where she could be?
Josh: Well no, either does FOX news.
People: Were you and your wife having any marital problems?
Josh: Well, uh, we just got married 10 days before she left. She was kind of upset with me for not getting her flowers before she left, but that is solved now, her mother got them for her when she came back, and well, said they were from me...
People: How you feel about her homecoming?
Josh: Well, I'm just really disappointed that we won't be having any romantic dinners....
698. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:29 AM |
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699. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 9:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi Guys, Here is the email and response to it, that I sent to WAlB on their piece linking Metzger to MIA/POW recognition day. I was very surprised to receive any response, but apparently it did some good...
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From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:09 PM
To: All WALB News
Subject: Jill Metzger
How does the return of a Soldier who went missing of her own volition, 'hit close to home' at Moody becase it is MIA/POW Recognition Day?
Please don't confuse the acts of brave soldiers and the selfish, childish story told by Major Metzger.
Sincerely,
Kevin
***********
Her reply follows:
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the email. I sincerely apologize for putting her into my story. I was completely my mistake and was taken out immediately on Friday after your email. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Alicia
*************
This might be one person who will "dig" for the truth if you guys want to make the attempt...Same link posted by VR?? ( I think, might have been WIZ ) her last name is EAKIN.
To any/all of you AF officers that are at Moody or wherever the husband is, I found the Officers Club (in the Army anyway) to be the best source of info for what is going on behind the scenes...
My experience with these types of investigations has found that the military investigators start from the premise that EVERYONE is lieng except for the officer in question and it takes being beaten about the head and shoulders with the inconsistencies, lies, and questions for weeks in order for them to move from that position
Back to work now....
699. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 9:48 AM |
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700. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
YaThink: WOW, that was excellent work! So, your email DID, in fact, provoke the sudden termination of Jill - impressive! Hopefully, Alicia will be provoked enough to start snooping....
700. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:16 AM |
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701. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 10:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To Deb:
Thanks , we do what we can.....
and thanks to whoever posted the original link...
I did reply to Alica thanking her and asking her opinion on the 'deafening silence" coming from the AF and media..... Maybe she will follow up. I'll keep ya posted, if I don't get fired first...
701. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 10:35 AM |
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702. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
YaThink: Just tell your boss, it's for a good cause - doing your part in saving the world kind of thing :-) well, from false kidnapping stories anyway, and that you just want to be sure if is a true or false story of not so you and him/her and your co-workers are not possibly kidnapped by bomb in pocket, trance inducing, note instructing, brown hair dying abductors!!! Geesh, hate when tht happens....don't know about you, but I'm going to warn everyone I know to wear tighter jeans so bombs and notes cannot fit into them!!!
on a lighter side, I do, in fact, hope she gets the help she needs for any mental issues which might have fallen upon her given an obvious upbringing of "you can do better than that"...
702. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:41 AM |
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703. Posted by happy | September 18, 2006 10:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If the investigation concludes that Jill fabricated her own abduction (for whatever reason) it will be the first "faked" hostage situation in the military and the punishment will therefore set a precedent. As RS said a few posts ago, this incident will at a minimum create new training for deploying troops. The AF and the entire DOD might not understand the magnitude of emotional consequence Expeditionary deployments put on military members and their families. When I was deployed in 2002 to the Middle East I was astounded by the lack of education we received on the culture of our host nation as well as how to deal with the stresses of being deployed. For instance, one day in tent city a group of younger troops were caught mooning some peaceful Muslim demonstrators and calling them “terrorists”. Had the troops been informed, they would have known that the particular country hosting us had taken risks simply by having us there and they were not protesting Operation Enduring Freedom; they were protesting our new policy with Israel which put additional pressure from the other Middle Eastern countries to our host country for allowing us to set up a base. Further, the young troops did not understand the extreme offense the protestors would take to their immature act of “mooning” which resulted in even more protests and our confinement to the tents during our off-duty time. My point, if anything good results of this incident it will be the implementation of standard conduct in a host nation and more education of that countries culture.
Because this case will set a milestone (unless anyone else recalls a member in uniform faking an abduction), I think we will hear all the details of the case. Anyone remember Kelly Flynn? The press did not let that one go and the public got to roll around in all the dirty Jerry Springer details of the case.
Interesting thoughts on why the AF did not notify the local police. I believe just as others here that the AF knew all along where she was – or what she had been doing. Perhaps when she never returned or wasn’t where they thought she would be they started to get worried and raised the issue. What seems very odd to me is the fact Jill made any statement AT ALL to the police. Why wouldn’t she wait for a Military representative? Even if she had been kidnapped she should have known to wait for a Military witness before giving a statement.
703. Posted by happy | September 18, 2006 10:59 AM |
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704. Posted by Happy | September 18, 2006 11:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb-
We missed you yesterday! I was worried you had turned to a prune in the hot-tub! Guess too many Margaritas Saturday night?
704. Posted by Happy | September 18, 2006 11:05 AM |
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705. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 11:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I have a question: When did Jill dissapeared? I ask because in the States we founf out on September 6, and I thought it had happened that day. If that is the case, then how could it be that the Kyrz authorities didn't know? I mean someone must have clued them in, if it was all over the internet. I guess I'm just a little confused.
Another thing, I also got an apology e-mail from Eakin's tv station, but it wasn't from Alicia...I think it was from her supervisor (I post it last night). Anyway, I didn't e-mail him back, but now I'm thinking I will. Maybe if we all e-mail them, they can keep the interest in the story and therefor keep digging....Just a thought.
705. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 11:18 AM |
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706. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 11:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy: Saturday night was pretty relaxed. I was on this dang blog while two friends were in my hot tub! Can you say obsessed? Yesterday, left at noon to go diving off the coast of Wilmington with a few folks....nothing exciting, however, the talk did come up of JILL (imagine that). All votes went to abortion, if anything as if this were covert op, noway she would have blamed the Kryg. or anyone over there. She would not have knocked on the door of someone there claiming she had been kidnapped....noway, they would have given her plan B to abort (no pun intended) op and proceed with another story, way of help, something, but NOT to go to someone's door, plead for help and then call the Embassy - good lord, not the embassy if it was a covert op....but who knows - everyone here has such GREAT insight, who really knows - JILL KNOWS.....
706. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 11:53 AM |
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707. Posted by Shrink | September 18, 2006 11:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I've got another of my theories here.
The post above from Happy got me thinking about the stressors, deployments, etc.
Military on military sexual assaults, particularly in theater, have been a dirty little secret of the past few years. No one wants them to come out big time in the civilian press.
The women are afraid that it will be used as a club to keep them from advancing ("See, they don't belong here!") and most male commanders (I's sure some are sensitive) are either incapable of understanding or just won't.
What if she didn't have an affair? What if she was assaulted, kept her mouth shut (maybe it was someone she knew, she was afraid OSI agent DH would see details on her past she wouldn't want him to know,etc), then found out she was pregnant?
Any woman would be frighted, she can't/won't report the rape after the fact, thanks to the Hyde Amendment it's very unlikely a military doc would help her out anyway, so she does what she can to keep it secret, and the whole thing falls apart.
I could certainly see the AF sweeping this one under the rug as much as possible.
I'm just putting forth a theory here about how a woman who seemed to have things going for her in at least her professional life could let it all come apart by the numbers like this. She sure as heck wouldn't be the first woman to not report an assault.
707. Posted by Shrink | September 18, 2006 11:53 AM |
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708. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I must have missed the e-mail link to the TV station. What was it? Here's another possibility, mentioned before. This guy Feingold runs a web-based newspaper that is "local" to where the Metzger family lives. He might dig a little for fame and fortune:
http://www.hendersondispatch.com/articles/2006/09/16/news/news01.txt
His e-mail address is listed on this link.
And fellow blogger detectives, here's a really good angle. A number of the articles about Jill Metzger which have been picked up by various large newspapers around the country were written by "Associated Press reporter" Leila Saralayeva. Here's one example:
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20060909-120637-3527r.htm
We need to find her contact info. How do you find an independent Associated Press reporter? She sounds like she might speak Russian, and if so she could do the digging that is really required. I just started to look for her on the web, help me out.
708. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:58 AM |
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709. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 11:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If anyone can get the site to the pic of Jill leaving the store please send it to here:
"Miller, Dave"
I tried... but was unable to get a link. Please make sure it's a site that works.
Thanks
709. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 11:58 AM |
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710. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 12:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BackStabber, re-send his e-mail address typed out
710. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 12:00 PM |
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711. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 12:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
opppss///
If anyone can get the site to the pic of Jill leaving the store please send it to here:
"Miller, Dave" dave.miller@walb.com
I tried... but was unable to get a link. Please make sure it's a site that works.
Thanks
THis is the Director of the whatever paper that backtracked on the piece with metzger and POW/MIA..
711. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 12:04 PM |
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712. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 12:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR-----------
Make sure he knows that is a "gift"... in appreciation for taking out the piece which ref Metzgler
712. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 12:08 PM |
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713. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 12:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://delo.ktnet.kg/2006/30/images/0202.jpg
Here's the link to the surveillance photo from the store, for the 3rd time. I e-mailed it to Dave Miller. It seems to work for me.
713. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 12:25 PM |
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714. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 12:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dave Miller was the guy that e-mailed apologizing for the POW thing. I will e-mail him again tonight and send him the picture of her leaving the mall. I also e-mailed the guy from the Henderson Dispatch last night, and will e-mail him again tonight with the picture. I think that if we keep it up, they won’t let the “issue” go away. If anyone finds the e-mail for the AP reporter, please post it. I think the more people we e-mail the more chances we have of finding out the truth.
714. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 12:25 PM |
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715. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 12:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: I emailed Alicia Eakin. Is this the correct person to email or should I have emailed Dave Miller?
Shrink: Brilliant! If she was assaulted, she would certainly most likely COVER for fear of her career, marriage, reputation of exemplary Officer in another fear that whoever might have done it would certainly say it was consensual, even if it was not.....wow, the plot thickens.....I am still stuck on ONE thing though - the people that opened the door for her in Kant, specifically said she HAD BLOOD ON HER FEET.....abortion gone bad would mean blood on her feet....
715. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 12:31 PM |
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716. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 12:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I can see the headlines now:
Bloggers unravel Metzger mystery....
Received this back from Alicia Eakin:
Hi Deb,
First off, I sincerely apologize for putting her name in there in the first place. It was completely my mistake and I should not have done so. Since she was found we are constantly checking with the Air Force for an answer to all the stories that are out there. It is something we will definitely continue to follow up on and hope to have some answers soon. Thanks so much for your email and for watching.
Alicia
716. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 12:41 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 12:41
717. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 12:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Fire up the cranium people... it's time to get into gear.
Gogi... Any additional news from KG that can help to support our position to 'shift the thinking' on this will have to start getting to other places besides this blog. Your assistance is of INCREDIBLE value!!! I can't overstate that.
Military People: http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/37919558
This is Military.com.. It is a commercial forum, not endorsed nor supported by official Govt. Agencies. Go read what somebody with the moniker of KyrgyzKid put in on the post:
"Missing Major back at Moody AFB.. the Major Metzger Story"
It's obvious they need some "help"... you will have to register to be able to post... still be ready to get some flak.. so bring flak jacket..
717. Posted by BackStabber | September 18, 2006 12:44 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 12:44
718. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 12:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BackStabber: Time to get out the Kevlar and steel swords!!!
Flak jackets = bullet and SOUND proof..
Sounds like Alicia Eakin is on her own personal agenda now to FIND ANSWERS FROM THE AF - especially after she feels pretty badly for originally writing about Jill in the POW/MIA context....
718. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 12:49 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 12:49
719. Posted by Shrink | September 18, 2006 12:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thank ya, thank ya very much!
It just hit me that it's one thing I've seen even the most 'together' women not be able to cope with. If she was the very independant sort who would not even tell a friend, sister, whoever,...well, talking about it is one of the best ways to get through it.
It would also be "sudden" Her co-workers wouldn't have seen it coming. Serious clinical depression (my other theory) USUALLY has a foreshadowing, at least in hindsight, where people can say, "Yeah, looking back, something wasn't right."
IF assault was indeed the case, I seriously doubt the BX or whatever there is at Manas carries "Plan B."
To contact the AP reporter in Bishkek, email
info@ap.org
The do not give out the addresses or phone numbers of their overseas bureaus, likely for security reasons, but will forward email. Only other thing I can think of is if Gorgi/Kuba can get an addy/phone locally.
719. Posted by Shrink | September 18, 2006 12:53 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 12:53
720. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 1:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
A group of various and educated minds has joined together in a vast arena of various attempts to theorize, speculate and assume a variety of possible scenarious for Jill Metzger's true steps out of the Tsum that fateful day.
They are from various branches of military, many are civilians, many, in fact, claim to know Jill Metzger. They all have a basic obsession and raw feeling that they are owed the TRUTH and in finding the TRUTH.....On a daily basis, craniums are linked via technology, spinning away at any possible link, email, corner or under any rock for evidence of THE TRUTH. Putting up kevlar shields and standing courageously at attempts to dishonor their thought processes and/or character bash and name call (although that has not happened for a while, seems like we have built our fortress walls up tight).
They are known as THE WIZBANG BLOGGERS!!
720. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 1:08 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 13:08
721. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 1:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb--Love the last post! Anyway, I think e-mailing Alicia was fine. I'm not sure if Dave Miller is her boss or co-worker. I do know that if we e-mail both, we will even spark more attention. I'm planning on e-mailing them tonight (for that I need someone to please post Alicia's e-mail). I will also e-mail the AP reporter and the guy in the Dispatch paper. I think we are getting some stuff done here...we just need to keep moving.
Great job everyone :)
721. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 1:48 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 13:48
722. Posted by another thought | September 18, 2006 1:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
just a note: Walb is the local tv station. It is located in Albany, Ga - about 2 hours from Valdosta.
Good job folks.
722. Posted by another thought | September 18, 2006 1:53 PM |
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723. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 2:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: Eakin, Alicia [alicia.eakin@WALB.com]
Perhaps we should email the Whitehouse??? They have email on their website....and what about some emails to AF biggies somehow, letting them know how shameful this is becoming or already is....An email to the Whitehouse can't hurt - letting them know that fellow military Officer, civilians, military in general are frustrated over the lack of integrity, courage and honor the AF is showing to all of us....hmmmmmmmmm
Another thought: Good one - another rock to look under!
723. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 2:56 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 14:56
724. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 2:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Not that I don't love reading your posts, but haven't you guys ever heard of mis-use of government equipment? I'm pretty sure that your spending time posting to this blog while on duty would not be looked upon favorably by your local IG's office.
724. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 2:59 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 14:59
725. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 3:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: We've been thru this before, someone aske dthe same question. Some of use are civilians, others are Reservist who are NOT on duty right now, and may or may not have a civilian job. A lot of the military here are in different shifts and other countries, therefore daytime for us, may mean free time at home for posting. There are many of us with many different circumstances, so please don't go pointing the finger if you don't know what those circumstances are. What about you? Are you military, cause reading (even if not posting) could be seen as misuse of goverment equipment also....just a thought.
725. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 3:18 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:18
726. Posted by Not Skeer'd | September 18, 2006 3:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG:
Sorry, not in the military nor do I work with the government. My Company does fairly well and can afford their own computers, so I am not using Government equipment. In fact, my company has this thing called work/life balance and as I work in Human Resources Department it is alarming that employees of any organization (Military or Civilian) could somehow be...what is the word? Ah! Threatened to discontinue keeping up with current events during their breaks.
Rest assured, if the Inspector General had a problem with any website all they would have to do is have Communications Squadron block access from the base network. Because folks are posting during the day they are either: 1. Not at work 2. At work and able to access the website therefore not unauthorized 3. Have nothing to do with the government
726. Posted by Not Skeer'd | September 18, 2006 3:26 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:26
727. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 3:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: Since you asked....former AF officer, I did not go to school with Jill, but knew her in ROTC. I'm by no means defending her actions or condemning them for that matter. I would however like to see the truth come out. I didn't say that everyone (or anyone for that matter) in here was posting while on duty, but I suspect that some are given the number of military in the discussion. I simply think that it degrades the arguement that someone can make if they make it while sitting in a chair and wearing a uniform.
727. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 3:26 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:26
728. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 3:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: You MUST have something better to do than to come on here pointing fingers when you don't know the facts of who is using their computers and where or when (time zone differences, etc...). Good Lord there are a million blog sites out there, go find another one to make your comments on....I wonder if those folks are mis-using their work time as well......
Where's the Kevlar???
728. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 3:30 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:30
729. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 3:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG, I totally understand what you are saying, but if you have noticed, this blog is a lot slower in the weekday than the weekend. I know there are a few active duty in the blog that may be at work, but that doesn't mean that they can't post during their breaks/lunch time...as long as they are getting their work done. I mean is the same that going for a smoke break you know. Also, knowing the military, they would have blocked the website if they thought it was a problem. To be honest though, I don't know one person, military or civilian that can say that they have never taken a break from work to conduct personal buisness in their work computer...do you? Again, while I understand your point, I don't think anyone here is abusing the system, and I hope that wherever they are, they are getting their work done...I know I am. Anyway, this thing will hopefully be over soon, and we will all go back to our "normal" lives...LOL!
729. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 3:33 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:33
730. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 3:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Don't run em off Deb, let them have their say....
Won't hurt anyone and might actually provide some insight.....
730. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 3:33 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:33
731. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 3:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: Officers who carry integrity, honor and the morals to wear the uniform, KNOW that there is a lack of integrity going on here and, certainly, deserve some explanation since an Officer has, in turn, inflicted a blame on another country which we have been trying to maintain "friendly" with.....as well as it makes our military look bad at this point for offering NO explanation for the actions of this Officer.....shameful really. Now, I have to ask you - as an Office yourself, I would hope you would NOT justify or stand by a fellow Officer who quite possibly (almost obviously) has deceived and betrayed her country as well as the military.....
731. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 3:34 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:34
732. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 3:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
YaThink: I hear ya I hear ya. However, coming on here and making accusations of who is using their computer for whatever reasons without knowing the facts is blaming us for something she/he is not even sure we have done. Yet, to stand by Jill Metzger even though he/she is not even sure what she has done, is well, kind of a hypocrit. I don't want to run anyone off, but come on here and offer insight and don't put down anyone in here......
here is the post I read:
Not that I don't love reading your posts, but haven't you guys ever heard of mis-use of government equipment? I'm pretty sure that your spending time posting to this blog while on duty would not be looked upon favorably by your local IG's office.
Posted by: OIG at September 18, 2006 02:59 PM
My response to OIG, but haven't you heard of mis-use of governemt code of conduct and equipment (meaning Jill Metzger's story) and I am not sure that making up stories to the government, especially against another country would be looked upon favorably by the IGs office.....
sorry, just some thoughts....
732. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 3:41 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:41
733. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 3:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G.: You are correct. As an officer I wouldn't stand beside someone that screwed up. We of course can't be certain as of yet that she screwed up. I would put money on it, but not my life or my career (which is now firmly planted in the civilian world). I'm not accussing anyone of anything wrong here and I'm not trying to make anyone quit posting. I would just hate to see someone tomorrow say "I'm at work at XYV AFB and just got off the phone with WRALTV to discuss my theory on.....". Not only would that dilute the potency of the agruement, but it would cast doubt on the integrity of the poster and their core values.
As for the civilians I don't care what you do, at work or not. My post was never meant for you in any way. It was meant for the few officers that MAY or MAY NOT be taking up this fight while on duty. Unless you're OSI or JAG or in the wing at Moody I doubt seriously that anyone has been told to devote their time to the persuit of protecting the integrity of the officer corps in this matter. If so sign your next post with your name, rank and duty station.........(I don't seriously want anyone to do that, just making a point that the UCMJ limits the free speach of military members, especially offiers. You need not forget that while trying to uncover the truth regarding someone else's indiscretions.)
733. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 3:46 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:46
734. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 3:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just so we're clear.....I'm not in ANY way defending Jill. I suspect that she screwed up small at the wrong time in the wrong place and then illuminated her career dissipation light while trying to cover it up. I suspect that she'll have a great second career in another 6 months or so when she's out of the USAF. Of course, that's just a theory, I could be wrong....and so could all of the other theories posted on here. The only thing that I'm fairly certain of is that Jill's original statement as reported by the foriengn government is a lie.
734. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 3:54 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 15:54
735. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 4:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
HEY________________
NOW WAIT A FRIGGIN nanosec here...
I think OIG has a point!!!!
After all, when I think about the ENRON thing... I woulda' fired anyone right on the spot if they had been sending emails back and forth --- on business time --- just cuz they thought they had "heard something" was not right!!!
So, I say we all just shut right on up... and like get the hell on with business as usual...
I have confidence that the BRASS will clear all this up, seeing as how they already let everybody know what's been going on so far..
So, I'm gonna go see if there is anything I can do to help protect her...
REMEMBER THIS .... NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING.. has come from anyone to tell US or anyone else that Maj Metzger hasn't been involved in anything immoral, unethical, illegal, or insane. So, in view of that, I'm gonna just say this: What's good for Jill is good for the rest of us.
---- Now.. where did I put that cash for the deposit.. Let's see, I walked out of the store with $50K to go to the bank... somebody gave me a note, stuck a bomb in my underware, and I fell into a trance... I handed over the money (like the note said) and they drove off in a yellow submarine down main street, and no I don't remember what they looked like... that should just about do it......
So, OIG.... how far do ya' think that story will fly with my boss???
735. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 4:07 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:07
736. Posted by Maj F | September 18, 2006 4:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG,
Shut up. You've already lost credibility, stop trying to explain yourself. I'm in Stuttgart Germany on my own f-ing time. While we may agree the reported facts of the situation are suspect, I take high offense at your stupid post about personnel writing on government time. It is 2210 here in Germany. Do you think the world revolves on your time. Don't respond, I won't be reading you ignoramous.
736. Posted by Maj F | September 18, 2006 4:11 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:11
737. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: Yes, a lie. You have to admit, the ENTIRE world has taken up on trying to find out any little (or large) piece of information regarding what has happend - as well as yourself or you would have have come onto this blog entitled "Where is Jill Metzger". I don't think it is so much ONLY focusing on a girl/woman who has lied or faked an abduction, however, the focus is quickly becoming now WHY IS THE AF NOT TALKING, WHY IS JILL NOT TALKING, WHY IS NOTHING BEING SAID ABOUT THIS. For flying sakes, she faked an abduction, pointed the finger at another country, etc..etc...at this point, the ENTIRE world is indeed owed an explanation and there is a duty to let the truth come out given what she has done and how MANY people were watching the news when they learned of her abduction and then prayed for her, perhaps even cried for her - only to be BETRAYED.....there is a human realm of fascination with this one - and people feel deceived and they WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH....
737. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:24 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:24
738. Posted by Happy | September 18, 2006 4:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Backstabber:
I am just wondering - what is the meaning behind your alias, "backstabber"?
Just curious because there were a lot of "I know Jill's..." when we first started visiting this blog (Team Jill) and some of us have wondered if they are starting to come to "Team Lanssica".
738. Posted by Happy | September 18, 2006 4:25 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:25
739. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BackStabber, Maj F: LMAO! I knew you would come out of the trenches soon enough!!
I resent anyone insinuating I am or might be using work time and the IG's office would be concerned? Are you kidding me? Hmmmmmm, soldiers killing foreign families, adultery, Officer lying and blaming another country, soldiers faking falling from a cliff to avoid deployment - yes, there seems to be enough to keep them busy than what emails are being sent or blogs being viewed and responded to regarding a NATIONAL MOCKERY......
Come on here, post about our time being spent here and then posting your own comments and defense...WTF?
739. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:30 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:30
740. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 4:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Back Stabber said: So, OIG.... how far do ya' think that story will fly with my boss???
I'm sure it won't fly far at all. I suspect your boss would address that issue to ensure that you were never entrusted with that type of responsibility ever again. I'm equally sure, given the leadership at Moody that the same will happen to Jill.
For those of you who are officers....how many have had to discipline troops that screwed up? Not on Jill's level here, just just screwed up in general? When you did it, did you seek the advice of civilians? the media? how about other enlisted troops that weren't in the chain? no, you probably worked out the matter quietly and tried to help the enlisted member realize that they had screwed up and corrected their action so that it didn't happen again. in cases where the screwup might have involved off-base entities/persons I'm sure you also kept them informed as to the outcome of the matter.
You guys assume that the military owes you an explaination. I'm sure they'll give you one, but I'm less sure that they OWE you one. Why do you think they owe you anything that isn't going to be public record? Last I checked LOC's and LOR's are not public record. If that's all she's going to get then you may never hear about it. If any of the theories are here are correct though I would expect that she would be facing an article 15, but even then that doesn't necessarily mean it's public record. courts martial would be, but even that can be sealed based on circumstances.
as for making sure that we don't damage relations with the other country I'm sure that the UG Govt has in it's employ some fairly good ass kissers that have been detailed to going behind Jill to make sure that KG government isn't offended. maybe next month we'll give out some nice contract to a local firm that would have previously been done by military members on base. there are many ways to smooth over something like that without going public with the details of an incident.
as for Maj F......thanks for the well thought out argument. as you said, I'll refrain from responding.
740. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 4:30 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:30
741. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Back Stabber sounds like Wiz....hmmmmmmm
Wiz, is that you??? I miss Wiz!!!!!
741. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:33 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:33
742. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Headlines: Air Force Officer missing in Krygastan, News Flash. Then, map of where she was found all over the news, story of abduction, hair dyed, bomb in pocket, etc...
Yes the AF OWES an apology at this point given the national and international attention this has garndered. Without some type of explanation, it is obvious there are folks being fueled by nothing being said and no punishment terms being given.....Jill is the property of the United States Government I'd say they OWE everyone an apology - at least an explanation....which, unfortunately, might never come...Not to worry, we have sniiffers out and about gathering the REAL FACTS......
742. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 4:39 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:39
743. Posted by Happy | September 18, 2006 4:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG:
I can see your point and you present your case eliquently enough. Although your argument about the Military not asking civilians, press or other Military Officers their opinion in investigating a case is factual - I believe you are missing our point of posting here.
Do you remember a little thing called Tailhook? The military's cover-up of the incident was interrupted by the intervention of powerful women in the Senate AND the involvement of media coverage that reinforced the dominant view of sexual harassment. True, you might view this incident on the scale of Tailhook - but I promise you for anyone serving overseas now or anyone with family or friends overseas this is certainly an issue to demand public attention.
743. Posted by Happy | September 18, 2006 4:48 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:48
744. Posted by Right on TIme | September 18, 2006 4:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Caveat: On Lunch: No Govt Computer Just Personal: AF Officer who would like to know. Scoured articles over the weekend because I too became so concerned for fellow female officer in the beginning and would like some official closure. I may not be ENTITLED but I am up for seriously competitive deployment to the desert in 2007 and hope that if her actions were in error that they do not reflect poorly on my ability to do my job. With the AF downsizing taking these opportunities is the only way to differentiate yourself and feign for promotion if you happen to be non-rated. Professionally she has been tauted in the career field as the officer to emulate, as I have heard and witnessed in the last 9 years. On the media front: Noticed that the last article the Air Force Times put out in their last edition online said at the bottom" More on this story in the next issue 25 September, 2006. Will there be? Do they have an exclusive?
744. Posted by Right on TIme | September 18, 2006 4:53 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 16:53
745. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 5:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G.... And all others...
Wizbanger Poster has died... I stabbed him to death with a Whopper Straw from BurgerKing.
Wiz thought he was pretty slick... he stuffed the Whopper in my back pocket as I was leaving McD's..The idiot kept on trying to make me read some stupid note!!! I had just purchased my order.. I took the straw, which was sticking out of my soda, put the guillotine move on him (he didn't even see it coming), Took the straw and stabbed him to death... I left a note, "I am innocent, it was self defense, Wiz was trying to make me read a note",
Nevertheless, there have been numerous reports of random attacks like this one... precipitated by the Jill Metzger story, happening all over the Metro area.
Case 1:.. Woman attempts to put Mailman into a trance. A 73 year old woman attempted to induce a trance state on a Mail delivery man on the corner of 134th and State early this morning. Lucky for the Mailman, he was wearing his headphones. He was able to subdue the woman and held her until police showed up... 3 hours later.
Case 2: Ms Bee's Kindergarden class. The class was sitting quietly (quiet time) when Josh and Jill (no relation to Metzger) arose from their seats and snuck up behind Ms. Bee. Josh attempted to stick a package down Ms. Bee's pants while Jill handed her a note. Ms. Bee, unable to read the gibberish on the note stood up, the peanut butter sandwich Josh stuffed in her pants fell down (Jogging suit). The local SWAT team is still at the school. The school is in "shutdown" mode. No one in no one out! Jack and Jill's parents are in shock!! Jills mother went on record to say that Jill had approached her before leaving home. It appears that Jill wanted to involve her mother in the crime. She asked her mother to write the note. Jill's mother declined to comment further.
Case 3. Mexico City. A bus driver was attacked by a woman with a bad hair cut and equally bad dye job. She insisted that she had just escaped from kidnappers. She also insisted that he call the American Embassy. She spoke no English. Right behind her, in hot pursuit was the entire staff of a local beauty parlor. The lady had attempted to leave without paying for the bad cut and dye job, despite the fact that she went in and asked for the Metzger Mullet Special.
Stay tuned... more reports are coming off the wire..
745. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 5:22 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 17:22
746. Posted by A different military marathon person | September 18, 2006 5:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just recieved the most awesome e-mail regarding another military marathon runner/athlete. The videos had me in tears. I recommend this site to anyone that wants to see a military person/hero compete in a marathon:
http://www.americaseagle.com/teamhoyt.html.
746. Posted by A different military marathon person | September 18, 2006 5:34 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 17:34
747. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 5:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
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747. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 5:48 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 17:48
748. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 6:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well this is interesting....
The Jill Metzger story is disappearing from the radar screen...
A couple of days ago I wanted to know what was going on so I googled "Jill Metzger" Bishkek
Wizbang came up with TWO sites:
This one and another one which headlined her reappearance.
Now.. only the other "reappearance" site is on google.
748. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 6:45 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 18:45
749. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 7:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I noticed that too on Google. Perhaps if we say MAJ Jill Metzger Jill Metzger JillMetzger Major MAJ MAJ Jill Metzger "MAJ Jill Metzger" "MAJ Metzger" "Jill Metzger" Jill Metzger Metzger Jill Jill Jill JIll Jill JILL Jill Jill Jill Jill Jill Metzger Metzger Metzger Metzger Metzger Metzger Major Major Major Major Major Major Major Major Bishkek Bishkek Bishkek Bishkek Bishkek Bishkek Bishkek Kyrgyzstan Kyrgzstan Kyrgyzstan Kyrgyzstan "AF Major" Metzger Jill Metzger enough in our posts it will make its way back to the top of Google
749. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 7:10 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 19:10
750. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL
750. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:26 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 19:26
751. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 7:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh, so what you're saying is that I should do this, or something similar to it----------
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751. Posted by Back Stabber | September 18, 2006 7:41 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 19:41
752. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
now that's funny.....
752. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 7:51 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 19:51
753. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 8:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Alright, I e-mailed Dave Miller and Alicia Eaken, the AP and the guy at the Henderson dispatch, anyone else we could e-mail. Come on...we can't let this story die.
753. Posted by RS | September 18, 2006 8:00 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 20:00
754. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 8:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: This story is NOT dying...oh no sir reeeeee
We are just hunkering down in our foxholes awaiting return emails or other bits of info. to go on to chapter 2....should be interesting...
Hey, maybe it was an alien abduction - they might like to shop too and liked her American jeans!
754. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 8:07 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 20:07
755. Posted by Right on Time | September 18, 2006 8:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
it may behoove some to contact Air Force Times since like I said in previous email before stuff got way off topic it said they would have more on this story on the 25th in their next issue.....
755. Posted by Right on Time | September 18, 2006 8:10 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 20:10
756. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 8:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
These comments are meant for the officers on the list....those on duty as well as those off duty.
I've seen a good bit of comments that disparage military officers on this blog. In case you're wondering I've been on here since the day Jill was "located".....I've remained silent up until now.
We all took and oath of office. We all signed up to be bound by the UCMJ. For her assumed indiscretions we all feel like Jill has violated a great many of those articles. Let's talk about some other ones for a few minutes though. Before you post back though I actually want you to read the references and think about your own actions on this blog. You may not be quilty of anything, but there is some serious pushing of the line going on. Anonymity does not mean that you can throw the UCMJ out the window. Pointing to someone that has done something "more wrong" than what you are doing does not make you "right". Pointing out past instances of wrongs does not mean that this one should be treated the same way. In the case of the previous examples mentioned: Enron & Tailhook to name a few, the discovery and investigation into those matters was publicly pursued by non-military members. Naturally Enron had nothing to do with the military, but Tailhook did and it was the media and congress that took up the fight, not the military. If congress needs to get involved in this then I'm sure they will. Someone on here can write their congressman and talk to them as much as they want regarding all of the "theories" and the need for "facts".
Some articles that some of you may want to reinvestigate. Decide for yourself if your actions would look good on your next performance report.
Article 89 - Disrespect toward a superior commissioned officer http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm89.htm
Article 133—Conduct unbecoming an officer and gentleman http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm133.htm -- Specifically read #3 at the bottom (Jill is still an officer)
Of course if you're looking for the list of what Jill most likely did, it's going to be a lot longer than what's above. It still doesn't justify violating the articles yourself. There are right ways and wrong ways to approach something like this. I'm sure the civilians on this list are more than capable of pushing this matter in the press.
756. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 8:22 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 20:22
757. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 8:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Consider an e-mail here:
info@ap.org
This the general e-mail address for Associated Press reporters. Direct your e-mail to Leila Saralayeva. She is a reporter in Bishkek who covered the MAJ Metzger story, and her articles were printed by a number of the major US newspapers. Perhaps some encouragement that the story still holds interest in the US would motivate her.
I think OIG has a good point. Those of us who are various colors of Reserve (active/inactive/sort of active/active when called/inactive when called/IMA/etc) or Retired wear two hats: civilian and military officer. I don't really know how far the UCMJ can affect a Reserve officer not on orders or scheduled duty; probably not very far. But it's important to keep in mind the points OIG makes.
757. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 8:50 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 20:50
758. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 9:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: You're correct....you're definitely not subject if you're in the inactive reserves (unless training). For more details see the section that describes who is subject:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/l/blucmj2.htm
758. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 9:00 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:00
759. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: This is a blog, a blog, a blog.....not a military web-site. We are stating facts, theories, opinions, and having some HUMOR with this. Lighten up....Funny, you are on here too making statements that you know she lied and so on....why the preaching AGAINST those simply blogging???
759. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:21 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:21
760. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: You have no authority to come onto a "blog" area, unofficial area, and preach as to our wrong or right doings...Perhaps you should call Jill and do that.....
Jill, or anyone, who commits an action as this, deserves a very less amount, if any, of respect given the oath and conduct she pledged to take, yet faltered in. I wish her nothing but healing, but an Officer in high regard is not what I would personally call her.....again, the entire world is talking about this, INCLUDING YOU - you are still on here as well.....if your goal or object is to preach of those faltering in talking about Jill, then you have a large amount of blog sites to hit and newspapers, and military bases and civilian offices, etc....
760. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:27 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:27
761. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: You're kidding me right? OIG states to read and think about our own actions on a blog - hello, VRRRRR, oh no, you're in a trance, reading a note (er blog) and following instructions! My gosh, maybe Jill was not lying after all.....
OIG: If you want to post theories or thoughts is one thing, but posting about being wrong or right on a blog is well, pathetic......
761. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:30 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:30
762. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 9:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G: I don't think that making the statements on a blog in any way releases anyone subject to the UCMJ. As for my statements, I'm no longer subject to the UCMJ so I can say whatever my personal integrity/morals/judgement will allow me to say. I wanted to merely point out for the group that this is a VERY public forum and that by violating the UCMJ in a public manner you put yourself in a category that is no likely much better than where Jill herself is right now....and by that I mean the category of knowingly violating the UCMJ.
Not sure if you read them, but most of those articles that I mentioned in the post are punishable by dishonorable discharge or worse.
Don't read this the wrong way, I'm not saying that YOU or anyone else here has done that, I just wanted to remind everyone (wearing a uniform) where the line was so that nobody's brain to mouth (err: keyboard) filter failed to engage before they said something stupid.
762. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 9:35 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:35
763. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 9:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G: Point out the section in the UCMJ that allows for public statement and conduct to be acceptable on a blog? I'm pretty sure you won't find it.....in fact I would have to say that given the google rankings for this site it's more likely that you could argue that items posted in here are public speach.
If you're active duty call your JAG and see if they would disagree with me.
My points on the military members of this blog have nothing to do with what Jill did or didn't or should have or shouldn't have done. They are about what military members subject to the UCMJ should and shouldn't do.
I'm sure that the "but Jill screwed up worse and made me do it" wouldn't go too well in an article 15 appeal.
763. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 9:41 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:41
764. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: Did you just compare Jill Metzger's international fake abduction story put our country on the line, beaten up and hair dyed with blogging???????????? Ya know, I have a good friend in JAG at Bragg and she and her cohorts were on this same site - like the rest of the world is searching blogs and for info. and news sites....you really need to find something better to do....and comparing any of us blogging in here to what Jill Metzger just did is REALLY PATHETIC......please focus your comments and preachings to another blog site....Jill lost her level of respect from others to not talk about her.........yawnnnn
764. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 9:49 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:49
765. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 9:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To OIG:
Army case in 03 in Fairbanks (Wainwright). CW3 was sleeping with several married (enlisted)soldiers in his chain while at Cohort training at Huachuca. He made it known that it would be hard for him to send them into "danger' if they were involved. Several E3 and E4 wound up on the Army 's**t list - Extra duty, loss of pay, worst details, permanent gate duty, etc... for sticking the COHORE tag on him and 'spreading' rumors. Turned out to be true and Art 15 was convened. Didn't help the enlisted though. Still got screwed for speaking out of school...
Doesn't mean you can't speculate, investigate, or discuss, just have to use PC language if IG, CID, JAG, etc is watching/listening....
Drive On!!!
765. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 9:53 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 21:53
766. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG (and anyone else who is interested)
I am quite impressed with your post.
Consider this. I know that things in the military are difficult. The 'job' calls for a level of dedication, commitment, and a 'code' of honor which is rarely seen or experienced in any other segment of society, regardless of the culture. Long hours, difficult assignments, deployments, etc.
There is no other 'business' that calls for the sacrifice of ones life for the greater cause. However, having personally witnessed circumstances or situations which called for the implementation or execution of these high standards, I can say that I am, putting it mildly, disappointed and discouraged.
When the military, specifically the officer ranks, starts to 'police' their own, perhaps I will be more inclined to change my view on this. But, for now, I can't.
The only place where this inequality is meted out with fairness is on the battle field. There, the weapons of destruction do not discriminate with regard to status nor rank. The honorable as well as the not so honorable can meet the same end with the same projectile simultaneously.
However, in times of peace, in garrison, and on the battle field, senior officers have been known to protect their own. I know, I’ve witnessed it. With regard to this particular situation, it appears that Major Metzger has displayed her ‘bad girl’ side on more than one occasion. The consequences? Up the ladder. Instead of dealing with the problem at the outset, she was allowed to conduct herself with her, albeit not habitual, questionable or bad conduct. Superiors and peers alike should have impugned her. They didn’t.
I stated this before... Her past is what got her here. This is not something an officer with any degree of respect for her position, or rank, would have allowed. This was not ‘an accident’. Perhaps, just perhaps, in the final analysis it will be deemed as such. If it is, I will continue to have my reservations about the ability of the Officer Corps to police itself. Nevertheless, for you to censure military people here is, in my opinion, hypocritical. You should direct your comments at the military side, and if need be, write YOUR congressman, to let your voice be heard. For until the practice of enforcing the CODE begins, the very existence of it is at best a formality. A toothless tiger, if you will.
I leave you with but one question. If this person were your superior, would you have the moral courage to put her on report, or would job security, career, and ‘membership’, cause you to reconsider? You don’t need to answer that publicly… you can answer it tomorrow – while you’re shaving.
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Douglas MacArthur
Last, but by no means least, courage—moral courage, the courage of one's convictions, the courage to see things through. The world ; is in a constant conspiracy against the brave. It's the age-old struggle--the roar of the crowd on one side and the voice of your; conscience on the other.
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766. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:02 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:02
767. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
bout' time guys - where have you been? Was starting to take out a new steel sword and kevlar....
767. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:08 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:08
768. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: I heard you were killed by a Whopper????
768. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:12 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:12
769. Posted by liberty | September 18, 2006 10:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
From OIG: If you're active duty call your JAG and see if they would disagree with me.
Ring...ring...
OIG: Do not technically disagree with you--military memebers are subject to jurisdiction of the UCMJ wherever they might roam.
769. Posted by liberty | September 18, 2006 10:18 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:18
770. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G: Are you angry from guilt or did I just strike a nerve for another reason?
Anyone will be able to find an infinite number of other instances where others were wrong.
To borrow from another anology what matters is when you look in the mirror. Having put others on report (including one that I worked for) I can honestly say that I've put my personal comfort above aside to do what was right and just.
What's going on here isn't entirely about finding out the truth or getting justice. Somewhere along the line it turned into let's bash Jill and the establishment that's limiting the access to information.
770. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:19 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:19
771. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG....
While you are shaving... think on these things:
In any avalanche, no single snowflake feels responsible. -- Voltaire
Start doing the things you think should be done, and start being what you think society should become. Do you believe in free speech? Then speak freely. Do you love the truth? Then tell it. Do you believe in an open society? Then act in the open. Do you believe in a decent and humane society? Then behave decently and humanely.
Adam Michnik
771. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:20 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:20
772. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 10:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Heard it was a 'guillotine' move and a straw that got Wiz.
Maybe he was just in a blog induced trance..
772. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 10:22 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:22
773. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
----snip-------
Start doing the things you think should be done, and start being what you think society should become. Do you believe in free speech? Then speak freely. Do you love the truth? Then tell it. Do you believe in an open society? Then act in the open. Do you believe in a decent and humane society? Then behave decently and humanely.
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That argument sort of falls to pieces for those without morals.......
773. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:22 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:22
774. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 10:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The anonymity on this blog is not guaranteed. It wouldn't take much for someone to find out who is posting what, if they really wanted to know. As long as you would be comfortable having your real name (and rank, if it pertains to you) asociated with what you're posting, I don't see a problem. If you wouldn't say in public what you're saying here, I would be careful. For example, DebG, your big threat to the wacko who posted the "kill/rape/torture" message to you was to EXPOSE his real name. If that's a threat to anyone posting things here, I'd reconsider posting.
774. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 10:32 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:32
775. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: LMAO. Angry? Never. Not in my character. I do, however, find you annoying. OIG, have you ever heard of an internet troll? Look it up - you fall into that category. I see the more attention you get in this umm BLOG room fills your need for well, attention, thus, provoking you to post more AGAINST the posters in here. Look up hypocrit in the dictionary - you fall in that category as well. Funny, I was starting to feel you were ANGRY. You feel the need to come in this area and preach - are you angry about something??????
OIG: If you are looking for morals - you are NOT going to find it in any story of BLOG regarding Jill Metzger. Unless you are living under a rock, you would know that the entire world has humor and fun with almost every international situation - have you ever watched Saturday Night Live - good grief - put them on your list to preach morals to. MANY folks are already making up jokes about Jill, including lots of military on a daily basis, human nature really. If you do something really really stupid, people tend to make fun of it.....just human nature......noone is bashing here, I am pretty sure we could all pretty much care less about Jill Metzger - it is the deceit, the lies and the coverup that amazes us......and oh yes, the FUN of trying to put together the puzzle of who really did it - kind of like the game CLUE - have you ever played it????yes, I thought so....
775. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:33 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:33
776. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G: I'm not posting "against" anyone, and that includes you. I'm posting for officers to maintain the integrity of their actions regardless of the fact that they're in a blog talking about what someone else has done wrong.
As for my need for attention? No, I just know that everyone here is getting a lot of attention, some of it I fear for the wrong reasons.
Besides, if we went back to Sep 10th you were getting a LOT of negative feedback from the blog members. Are you just trying to make sure that I go through the same now?
As for preaching......there's something to be said for doing your part to keep honest people honest....take it for what you will.
776. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:40 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:40
777. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 10:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG:
Any moral argument falls apart when faced with a lack of morals, that isn't news.
I think the point here is that holding up a 'code of conduct' to the world and then using that code of conduct to avoid discussion when said code of conduct has been allegedly violated (this hasn't been proven yet)doesn't sit well with most.
777. Posted by YaThink | September 18, 2006 10:41 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:41
778. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I am off to catch some sleep. Was hoping to have a good theory session tonight. However, I refuse to feed the troll its attention treats. This blog is called "Where is Jill Metzger" let's see: made for theories, speculations, piecing the puzzle. It is not called "Save Jill Metzger's character" or "Careful of what you say while entering this site to talk about Jill Metzger".....
OIG: I think you would rather find negative amongst those around you, rather than anything positive from what people have to say and oddly enough, I have a pretty good feeling that you are NOT a team player.....you have offered nothing to this blog, why did you even come in here?
778. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:43 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:43
779. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG...
I am humbled by your presence...
I'll let you in on a little secret ..... if you promise not to tell anyone!!!
This is not a meeting place of the perfect..
But, if you will point out my IMMORAL behavior, I will be indebted to you.
779. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:47 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:47
780. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: Before I go, it is NOT your authority to post to anyone about their actions, none of your business really. You are obviously taking this on a personal level stating your fear is _______________ Fear? How can you fear anything coming from a blog site? Who cares about any reasons of attention on this site. I am not trying to put you through anything. You are doing that all on your own as well as preaching to others about their blog posts. It truly is not anyone's business to come on here and post against bloggers. This is an open forum. As far as negative feedback on September 10th. I was giving theories and playing a bit, which at that time, there were others in the room who were obviously not on the same wavelength as I. Not a big deal to me, it certainly does not affect my life for one minute, whether sitting here or walking away. I enjoy the thought processes in here and gathering info. It is actually a lot of fun at times, however, when someone as yourself comes in here preaching about what others should and should not be doing (which is none of your business anyway) then well, it is no more fun....
780. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:52 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:52
781. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: You are right on. Noone in here claims to be perfect. Heck, it is not about us to begin with. If we were the ones who had done something immoral well then the blog might be set up for us "Where is Deb G." sort of thing. So, if someone wants to preach about Officers not following the code of conduct, I think you should grab the phone book and go to Jill Metzger's house.....
781. Posted by Deb G. | September 18, 2006 10:56 PM |
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Posted on September 18, 2006 22:56
782. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G said: OIG: I think you would rather find negative amongst those around you, rather than anything positive from what people have to say and oddly enough, I have a pretty good feeling that you are NOT a team player.....you have offered nothing to this blog, why did you even come in here?
Actually I would rather see the good around me. As for team player if you mean "your team" probably not. As for offering nothing you seem to be the only person who is completely offended by my posts.
As for why I came here? I liked reading the theories. I do not feel that the theories are a violation of the UCMJ.....perhaps I should have made that more clear earlier. Correctly stated as theories and not "personal attacks" they add to the discussion and the "levity" of the situation. I'm sorry that you feel that good conduct has to be mutually exclusive with having a good time. I think that you can do both.
Having said that, here's a "theory" for you.....it's out there, but I haven't seen it here so I'm going to post it.
Jill goes off-base to get her abortion in a less than reputable place b/c she doesn't want to be seen by anyone. While there she mentions that she's in a hurry b/c she's AWOL (maybe not in those words) and that nobody's knows she's there. She has to be put under for the abortion (I assume that's the case) at which time the less than reputable medical staff (three men and a lady) kidnap her.
If this were the the rest could be true and she would just need to make up the "how did I get there" part without giving up the fact that she had an abortion.
Just a theory.....
782. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 10:57 PM |
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783. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG...
I kinda think I struck a chord there.. but that's ok. Don't let it bother you.. Just think about it (while you're shaving).. It's a tough call, I know because I have had to do it. And, it wasn't without cost. Trust me. Reporting one of "your own" opens up a whole new dimension to the world of work.
783. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 10:59 PM |
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784. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: hadn't thought about that one. I just don't think, though, kidnapping is a spur-of-the-moment crime, particularly not if it involves more than one perp. How on earth could a female and three males all collude to kidnap someone on a spur of the moment? ("OK Boris, she's out. Let's kidnap her." "Good idea, Yuri, but let's get Ivan over here too. And Leila.") And what would 2 other males be doing in a medical clinic helping with an abortion? I'd be willing to bet the non-MD staff is all female at the medical clinic in Kant.
But the theory that something bad might have really happened to her is a good one, and she just made up a really bad story to cover for how she got into the mess in the first place. I could imagine a very bad taxi driver who was supposed to take her back to the base, for example. Maybe she was just robbed and thrown to the side of the road. One bad guy for a spur-of-the-moment crime I can see; not 4.
784. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:16 PM |
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785. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG...
Hadn't thought about that one... but probably because I've lived among the 'natives' out there in Kyrgyzstan. They are not that kind of people.. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Military. A person who is working with one of the humanitarian, or foreign companies would be more likely of a target for something like that. But that's just my take on it.. I'm sure that Gogi or Kuba can chime in on it. Highly doubt it.
People there are actually very kind. They may stoop to charging more than they should .. or petty theft, but that's about it.
785. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:21 PM |
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786. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Agree with your assessment VR..
All along I have stated that Kidnapping/Abduction takes PLANNING... High profile kidnapping (targeted) takes lots of planning.
786. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:24 PM |
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787. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR...
Looks like people are tired of our brand of coffee. I told you to get Starbucks!!!
787. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:27 PM |
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788. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Theory: she accomplishes her personal covert mission, whatever it was. She hails a cab to get back to the mall, or back to the base. The cab-driver is a really bad guy, drives her to Kant, roughs her up in bad ways (she IS only 5'1"), holds her for a few days, makes her do the weird stuff to her hair, steals her cellphone and all of her stuff in that big bag, leaves her naked on the side of the road. (Or perhaps she does manage to escape somehow.) She runs for help, grabbing someone else's clothes off a clothesline as she goes (that's where the 2-sizes-2-big clothes come in). Makes it to the farmhouse in Kant. Feet are bleeding because she has been running without shoes. She is completely panicky, upset, knows that the AF is looking for her. Doesn't want to admit to the initial personal covert mission, so she tells a story that is really sort of true in her deranged, panicky mind in hopes that they'll overlook the AWOL part and focus on the victim part.
788. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:30 PM |
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789. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 11:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I wasn't serious about the three men and one woman....just pulling that from the "story" that Jill gave. This would have been possible by one person if done with some pre-meditation. It's also possible that if she was seeking a discrett abortion that Jill would have gone to a single person. In that situation it would be very easy to kidnap someone.
As for whether or not people are capable of it? I would like to believe that entire societies are essentially "good", but I'm not aware of any countries without prison's so I'm guessing not. If Natalie Holloway can disappear in aruba doing something stupid then I'm sure it could happen to Jill in KG.
Again, it's all just a "theory".
789. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 11:31 PM |
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790. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 11:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: We're thinking along the same lines....which might make both of us wrong in our theory. Time will tell I'm sure.
790. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 11:33 PM |
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791. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
...and if she was sexually victimized, the AF is not exactly going to come bursting forth with this information. She would also probably be granted a whole lot of leeway for her bizarre story; she could just say she was so traumatized she didn't know what she was saying. Not that I'd believe that, but she could probably get away with it. It might also explain why she didn't want her new husband to see her in Germany, if she felt shamed at her victimization.
791. Posted by VR | September 18, 2006 11:43 PM |
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792. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG....
IF... and I stress the IF.... she had been picked up at dark then, I 'could' be willing to accept the taxi driver gone bad thing.. AND it has happened to women in the city. On more than one occasion I took offered to pay cab fare for a lady.. but ended up having to take her home then returning in the cab. IT HAS happened.
Daylight hours.. never heard of it.
792. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:43 PM |
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793. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Again... I am going on personal experience... IF two planes can hit the Twin Towers in broad daylight.. then I suppose that anything is possible.
793. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 18, 2006 11:45 PM |
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794. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 11:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Okay, so if we use Occam's razor (for those of you who's never heard of it):
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Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham (Guilhelmi Ockam and Guillermi de ockam in Latin [1]). Originally a tenet of the reductionist philosophy of nominalism, it is more often taken today as a heuristic maxim that advises economy, parsimony, or simplicity in scientific theories.
Occam's razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or "shaving off," those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. In short, when given two equally valid explanations for a phenomenon, one should embrace the less complicated formulation. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae (law of succinctness):
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,
which translates to:
entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.
Furthermore, when multiple competing theories have equal predictive powers, the principle recommends selecting those that introduce the fewest assumptions and postulate the fewest hypothetical entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood.
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So the basic theory that we're bouncing around now assumes that she left the group at the mall for a personal reason that she did not want to disclose.
She may have told members of the MWR group, she may not have....doesn't matter to the outcome.
While on the "side trip" something went wrong and she was abducted/sexually assulted.
That's two assumptions and if I'm not mistaken everything else we know would fall into line with those.
Depending on the reasons for the side trip it explains why the hubby was PNG in Germany. Why her family likely knew what was going on when they were interviewed. Why the US Embassy was so quick to get her out of KG when she was found. Why the AF is not protecting her privacy.
As for the haircut that all happened after the fact. I'm SURE that they could have brought someone to the hospital to take care of that for her.
What am I missing?
794. Posted by OIG | September 18, 2006 11:56 PM |
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795. Posted by Buster | September 18, 2006 11:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Okay, this UCMJ banter has gotten way out of control. This is free speech and it's on a privately owned board. Just because people (to include uniformed members) can post to it does not constitute it as a "public forum". No member of the law enforcement or intelligence community would touch this with a ten-foot-pole. Aside from the fact that it would take way to many man/woman hours to track down someone through an anonymous blog, they would have no probable cause to search it for "criminal activity; unless of course it was to get a good laugh.
If you're not (or are no longer) a member of the Armed Forces, don't preach Articles of the UCMJ. These people are entitled to their opinions, read and enjoy or STFU.
795. Posted by Buster | September 18, 2006 11:58 PM |
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796. Posted by OIG | September 19, 2006 12:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Buster: It doesn't matter if the board is privately owned. It's easily available to anyone in the public and is therefore considered public speech. Also, free speech is not something that is an absolute right of those serving in the military. The military is there to protect democracy, not practice it....to protect inalienable rights such as free speech, not to practice it.
I believe the saying we used was "I may not agree with that you have to say, but I'll die to defend your right to say it".
You're right I don't think that anyone in the JAG or IG communities would touch this blog with a ten foot pole. It's the type of thing that could come back to bite someone though when they go up for promotion if it's found out that they were out of line at some point in the past.
This is a little bit off-topic, but think of the political appointees that have been pushed aside for doing a lot less than what I'm discussing here.
796. Posted by OIG | September 19, 2006 12:08 AM |
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797. Posted by just curious | September 19, 2006 12:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG, VR: I fully agree with the reasoning. This makes the most sense and assumes the least. It also matches with much of what she herself said. Most people will make up stories interwoven with actual experiences to minimize the lying factor.
797. Posted by just curious | September 19, 2006 12:13 AM |
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798. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 12:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
...if there was a sexual assault, it would also explain the terseness and lack of joy visible on the faces of her husband and his dad when they were interviewed after she had been found, and after Josh had had a phone conversation with her. And her plea for "privacy" for mental and physical healing.
But to counter this theory, seems like if she REALLY WAS kidnapped and assaulted, the USAF would have encouraged her participation with the Kyrgyz police, who would be in the best position to catch the bad guy(s). Seems like the AF whisked her away really quickly.
798. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 12:18 AM |
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799. Posted by OIG | September 19, 2006 12:21 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If they wisked her away for medical treatment though then that's reasonable and would be expected.
799. Posted by OIG | September 19, 2006 12:21 AM |
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800. Posted by just curiouos | September 19, 2006 12:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: ... unless there was a connection to the Russian Base in this, and we didn't want to risk an international incident.
As to the hair: having her dye her own blond hair black could have been another form of assault.
800. Posted by just curiouos | September 19, 2006 12:23 AM |
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801. Posted by Buster | September 19, 2006 12:25 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Actually as a matter of fact, it does matter (from a legal stand point). Just because it's available to the public doesn't make it a public forum. As for promotion boards, you've got to be kidding; not even going to touch that one. And as for your soap box, it's time to get down. Neither I nor anyone here who wears a uniform needs a lecture about what we have chosen to defend. I know it well and have been doing so since the Reagan administration. I have chosen to leave my own opinions with regard to this case to myself but have seen nothing that crosses any lines from anyone who has presented themselves as troop. The only ones, aside from me, who have taken issue with you, have told you that they are either not in the military or are former.
801. Posted by Buster | September 19, 2006 12:25 AM |
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802. Posted by lurker | September 19, 2006 12:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG: I basically agree with your point, but also think your point has now been somewhat overstated -- I doubt you are going to make any more progress with the "moral high ground" dialog. Those that care have heard you, but the pit-bulls in here are going to keep chewing as long as you keep responding/ defending (hey man, go find another bar, you don't belong).
Just my two...
802. Posted by lurker | September 19, 2006 12:48 AM |
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803. Posted by OIG | September 19, 2006 1:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
lurker: good point, was starting to sort of feel that way to me as well. i'm done with that line....
803. Posted by OIG | September 19, 2006 1:00 AM |
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804. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 8:07 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This "something really did happen" theory also makes sense of a comment her father-in-law (the OSI officer) made that struck me as odd. He commented during the interview AFTER she'd been found and taken to Germany that she was a "very naive 33 year old woman", "very trusting", "never saw bad in anyone". This didn't seem like a statement I expected about
a.) a person who was truly kidnapped in the way she said (bomb, trance, 4 people). I would have expected a "she's very strong" kind of description.
NOR did it make sense for:
b.) a person who had just fouled up in the biggest way possible, lied her way out of trouble when nothing at all bad had really happened. I would have expected an OSI officer to steer clear of that whole situation entirely, not even make a statement.
804. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 8:07 AM |
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805. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 10:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If something had gone bad, and she was truly kidnapped in any way fashione or form, why would the AF not say a word??? You would think SOMETHING would be offered to the public, the media, someone if she was, in fact, caused harm following a just a bad call on her part.....
I'm thinking abortion gone bad, bad doctors, not truly credentialed or REAL doctors, but taking money for abortions even though they are not qualified....just a theory.....the whole hair dyed thing just makes no sense unless she was trying to cover herself as an abduction victim....
805. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 10:14 AM |
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806. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 11:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think the AF hasn't said a word because they want to make absolutely sure they're saying the right word when they say it. They probably had the same reaction we have had to her story-- she obviously made up at least PART of the story, so the whole thing is suspect. And I still believe her initial personal covert operation was something quite embarrassing to her and the govt. All of us military types know that the wheels of justice turn very SSSSLLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLYYYYYYY in the USAF. How many of you have known of scandals on your base that took well over a year to be resolved? Yup, I'm raising my hand.
It also becomes very tricky when (if) they DO announce that she was a victim of some kind, because then the Kyrgyz people are going to be furious that THEY weren't warned there's a kidnapper/rapist/whatever in their midst. Why weren't their police allowed to conduct a proper investigation, etc? How dare the US cover this story up, putting Kyrgyz women at risk?
806. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 11:34 AM |
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807. Posted by Back to theories | September 19, 2006 12:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: "Why weren't their police allowed to conduct a proper investigation, etc? How dare the US cover this story up, putting Kyrgyz women at risk?"
I think the fact the AF is not allowing Jill to assist in the investigation pretty much confirms they know there was no abduction.
I find it interesting the press initially jumped to the "runaway bride" theory. Perhaps they were given a tip right away that was suddenly hushed. Shrinks posting yesterday that Jill might have been fleeing harassment made me start connecting the dots between bits of information stated from press as well as what we have theorized here. What if Jill had done something unprofessional which would have resulted in damage to her military career and someone was blackmailing her? Perhaps Jill's indiscretions were documented (cough...pictures/emails) and were used against her? Maybe she was disciplining an Airman and they retaliated with proof of her own imprudence? Jill would have had punitive authority as a Commander. Just a thought
807. Posted by Back to theories | September 19, 2006 12:13 PM |
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808. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 12:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: I agree. If ANY of her story were true - the AF would make it a point to WARN others of possible abductions, kidnappings, etc...they KNOW it is NOT true. I have a feeling, as you said, they are piecing it all together, viewing video cameras, going over cell phone records, her computer at Manas, people who might have seen or talked to her, etc....then, and maybe only then, will we know anything or something at all....
I still don't think though, even if she did have an abortion, that the AF will EVER come out and say that. That is, as I have said before, a VERY personal situation which could lead to severe protesting and rioting of the abortion part, killing of a fetus, military base Officer getting pregnant, etc.....I just wish we knew SOMETHING....Alicia, from that newspaper, said she would email me if she hears of anything legitimate....not sure why she would want to email me that, but I will certainly welcome the info!
808. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 12:17 PM |
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809. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 12:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Had a thought about the AF sending her husband to Landstuhl w/o her consent.
Initially, IF they weren't sure she was going to be able to competently consent to treatment it might have been a factor. It could at least be a CYA for the medical/psych folks. He's her next of kin from the minute they said “I do.”
I realize you can't sue the USAF for malpractice, but with her disappearance out there in the press, they may have wanted to have the "i's" dotted, “t’s” crossed. Also, it may have been easier to "control the story" with both of them in the same place.
Hypothetically, if I had a patient I thought might be suicidal that I wasn't familiar with, I’d want someone who might have some insight into him/her where I could talk face to face if at all possible. That is, IF I was pretty sure it wasn’t a “problem” relationship. Haven’t seen anyone claiming anything was an issue between the two of them.
Anyone know how soon after they flew her out of Manas they got him on a flight to Germany?
BTW, if anyone cares, civilian, currently self employed, although much FORMER association with the USAF, although never in uniform myself.
809. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 12:24 PM |
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810. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 1:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OK, I have jumped on the "something bad really happened" bandwagon today. It makes everything fit for me EXCEPT the video of her parents taken right after she was reported missing. (Why weren't they more obviously worried? Does her Dad deserve an Academy Award?)
I now think the very implausibility of her story makes it likely she "wasn't in her right mind" when the police interviewed her. My 8-yr-old could have come up with a better story. I think she was panicked and therefore somewhat incoherent, and I also think there was a language barrier that made it very difficult for everyone there. It's hard enough to understand an incoherent person when you speak their language.
Furthermore, she may have been drugged, if in fact she had been held against her will. A common drug a criminal might be able to get his hands on is ketamine. It has veterinary uses and is probably fairly easily available there. It's used recreationally here. It can be injected intramuscularly, so doesn't require any special medical knowledge. If you give enough, it renders someone unconscious. It's hard to kill someone with ketamine, so you don't have to be too exact with the doses. Here's a description from the web about how ketamine works:
"Ketamine puts the user in a dissociated state, meaning that they are less connected to both a sense of self and the reality around them. If a large enough amount is taken, the user may go into or through a "K-hole", a state of wildly dissociated experience in which other worlds or dimensions that are difficult to describe with language are said to be perceived, all the while being completely unaware of one's individual identity or the outside world. A user may feel as though his or her perception is located so deep inside the mind that the real world seems distant (hence the use of a "hole" to describe the experience). Some users may not remember this part of the experience after regaining consciousness, in the same way that a person may forget a dream. The "re-integration" process is slow, and the user gradually becomes aware of surroundings. At first, a user may not remember his or her own name, or even know that they are human, or what that means. Movement is extremely difficult, and a user may not be aware that they have a body at all."
Tomorrow, another theory.
810. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 1:00 PM |
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811. Posted by Another Theory | September 19, 2006 1:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR
How would that explain her leaving the TSUM alone and without force?
Also, if movement is extremely difficult I doubt she would be able to run to safety.
I still think the AF would have made it clear there WAS an abduction.
811. Posted by Another Theory | September 19, 2006 1:17 PM |
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812. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 1:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: lol, tom. another theory....
I can't help but think the AF would openly relay a true kidnapping or any type of abduction to the media - especially at this point. Every story thus far has been displayed on news screens around the world - even graphic pics when soldiers or civilians are killed, even giving exact locations via maps drawn out in detail, pictures, etc.... Jessica Lynch and her story were public immediately and so on.... The AF would most likely have had any part on the news by now ESPECIALLY warning women in that area of possible additional abductions.
Would fly her husband out immediately as they know the story is false and at the time, she is not in her right mind. Also, to have him answer questions and take questions on her behalf so she DOES NOT FURTHER DAMAGE HER CHARACTER, STORY, ETC...as well as AF knows she was drilled to tears by military investigators, etc....she needed some type of backup to STOP the drilling....
812. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 1:18 PM |
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813. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 1:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Perhaps the AF was as clueless about what went on as everyone else. They're just now figuring it out. All they would have had to go on was her freaky story, and if she had ketamine she wouldn't even remember things correctly. The Kyrgyz officials concluded that she was FOS, so didn't look any further.
They would have drug=tested her in Landstuhl, but ketamine won't show up on the usual urine tests. Those just test for common drug of abuse, like cocaine and marijuana and opiates. It would take several days to find ketamine in the blood, and her blood would have been sent to the AF Institute of Pathology back in the US for that.
She left the Tsum on her own for something dumb. I don't know, she was going to get a case of Stoli, cheap, at that square where the hospital is. Or a babushka doll for Mom. Meet up with some Russian pilot friends for one last beer or whatever. They never showed, but they called her on her cell. She was afraid to answer the cell, but wrote down the number and tried to call on the payphone (thinking if she used her cell it could be traced, and she knew she was AWOL). Got back into another cab to head back to the mall, at which point everything went bad. Friends tried again to call on her cell, which alerted her captor to the fact that she had one and he made her turn it off.
The ketamine would have had to wear off quite a bit before she could run. But if you've seen idiots at a rave on ketamine (I work in an ER; I've seen them) they still have plenty of physical activity going on even though the synapses are not firing too well in the logical thought part of the cerebral cortex.
813. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 1:37 PM |
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814. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 1:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm leaning to "something happened" either before or after she left the base.
It seems obvious she left the store of her own accord. The question is WHY?
Did she just go to meet someone, not get back in time and make up the whopper of the year? Or did SOMETHING bad happen?
Perhaps this had been brewing for a while. IF she was assaulted on base, didn't report it, pregnant or not going back home to new husband could be traumatic. She holds everything inside for a couple of months, but returning home to everyday reality is too much for her.
IF this happened, I can see the AF sweeping it under the rug for the benefit of all concerned. The military has not exactly been open and above board in these matters. Giving Major Jill a pass for going a round the bend and taking off for a few days might be a small price to pay not to open up that can of worms in the press.
No clue if I'm right or not, but the pieces pretty much fit, including grim looking dad, husband, brother.
814. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 1:48 PM |
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815. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 2:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I like it, I like it...more pieces.....
The Jill Metzger Puzzle - coming soon to a Walmart near you......
815. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 2:19 PM |
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816. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 2:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
...and recall that the person at the farmhouse in Kant where she wound up described Jill as someone they first thought was severely drunk. She may have been staggering around and confused because of lingering intoxication from a drug.
If she DID make this whole story up to cover up some bad deed (abortion, affair), she sure went to GREAT LENGTHS: hair dye and chop, new baggy clothes, bruised face, cut feet, sobbing incoherence at farmhouse. Surely such a well-planned ruse would have included a more believable story. She had several days to think about it.
816. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 2:49 PM |
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817. Posted by Whopper aka Wiz | September 19, 2006 3:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The Pentagon of Polygon
September 19, 2006
Word has leaked that the Major Jill Metzger was the subject in a new experimental weapon to be used by the armed forces against terrorists. According to sources who insisted on anonymity, a note is given to the subject which is written in code. The sequence of the code works like a combination lock which after being read, puts the subject into a ‘trance like state’. Once the trance is induced, any instructions written on the note will be followed in detail.
The source also stated that the reason Major Jill Metzger was selected for this trial was obvious. She was an excellent subject. Her conduct and behavior has always been above reproach. She is a model Officer, daughter of Model Parents, model wife, with a clean record. “We knew that we could depend on Major Metzger to perform under any conditions.
The experimental weapon will not be released until November of 2075… According to the source, “there are a couple of minor glitches we need to work out”.
For participating in the experiment, Major Metzger will be receiving a promotion, she will also be awarded 5 medals, and given a years supply of hair dye.
817. Posted by Whopper aka Wiz | September 19, 2006 3:30 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 15:30
818. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 5:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ah Wiz.....always count on wiz...now that is a theory I can believe....
VR: Folks at farm said blood on her feet, not cut feet - perhaps bleeding from abortion gone bad. I know that during an abortion, even following one, they give a variety of drugs, a big one is VALIUM, which most certainly can induce a drunk like stupor. During an abortion, they even give valium and high doses of this to perform the procedure. Given her type A personality and statements such as "noone will come second to me", I can actually see her going through GREAT LENGTHS of hair dying, feet bleeding, etc....in order to avoid losing her entire military career, husband, life really....
818. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 5:01 PM |
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819. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 5:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Simple Theory: She goes to say goodbye to friend somewhere. Cab driver drops her off at wrong location following this meeting, she runs (Jill likes to run) trying to desperately find way back to Tsum, falls and hits her head on curb, causing drunken stupor and proceeds to run (bloody feet now), falls, locals dye her hair and laugh at what they think is well, simply a drunk girl on side of road so playing a prank they dye her hair. She wakes up after hitting her head, tells story of bomb in pocket and note because she has watched the news too often of serial bombings and bombs bombs bombs (not sure where the note thing comes in though), AF picks her up, whisks her to Landstuhl for medical help because they think Jill has suffered a severe beating when it reality, she simply fell and hit her head!!! AF is too embarrassed to relay this story so are just laying low hoping it GOES AWAY....
The End
819. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 5:05 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 17:05
820. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 5:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I’m in the same boat as everybody else posting on opinion of the causes that resulted in Major Jill Metzger unauthorized absence and unknown whereabouts for 3 to 4 days, totally clueless. However, my military service experience does give me good cause to doubt her explanation.
The apologists and boundless compassionate offer explanation of direct causes being out of lacking ability to deal with or cope with are overlooking the unauthorized absence and unknown where-about of Major Metzger is peculiar for a career officer having served more than ten years of active duty and being described as being independent, competitive, savvy, smart, and totally committed to her AF career.
The conspiracy theorists offer explanations of being caught in some planned operation but if so these scenarios avoid or omit acknowledging this would require advanced knowledge of the shopping trip and who would be in the group shopping. Consequently this suggests somebody, either the Major herself or somebody else told the abductors where and when she would be shopping not to mention giving positive identification of the person to snatch. If it was an unplanned operation of opportunity then explanation needs to be provided on why her rather than somebody else. The lack of any person or group stepping forward making any demands or claims puts significant questions that this was targeting of a military service member for political or criminal purpose. The question is simple, why her and why on that day and that location.
If purposely drugged to the degree of having the appearance of being severely drunk when she knocked on the door of a strange house after running or walking sever miles it is reasonable to expect the drugs incapacities on coordinated action and purposeful behavior needed to overpower her abductor/guard would be much more debilitating at the time of her escape then after (of course we can also argue route drug was administered, Orally, Rectally, Subcutaneous, IM, or IV and dosage). She then had the where-with-all to run or walk a considerable distance from an unknown location in an unknown direction at night to arrive at the home of complete strangers. No evidence is provided she had any previous self-defense or hand-to-hand fighting training. This escape and evasion is a very great accomplishment for a military member having minimal if any Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape (SERE) training.
The bomb with note being placed in pocket indicates a small bomb and the likelihood she pulled both out of the pocket, a very peculiar method of abduction as it would require dependence on the victim being compliant and also the victim not throwing the bomb and running at the first opportunity.
Yes a very strange event of many peculiar situations and circumstances and these are few of the many reasons the claimed abduction needs inquiry and full disclosure of the truth the inquiry discovers.
820. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 5:23 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 17:23
821. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 5:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-------------johca ------------------
About TIME YOU CHIMED IN!!!!!!!!! HoooYaaa!!
Folks... Johca ... KNOWS of what he speaks!!
Thanks ...
821. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 5:32 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 17:32
822. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 5:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just a little piece of remember those who are "Over There".
http://objflickscom/GladiatorAmericanStyle.htm
Speakers "On"
822. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 5:45 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 17:45
823. Posted by Buster | September 19, 2006 5:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Johca: Good evidentiary points but go easy on the thesaurus. Jill did not have SERE training, but was an avid competitor in CIOR (Interallied Confederation of Reserve Officers). It's a military pentathlon of sorts.
823. Posted by Buster | September 19, 2006 5:49 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 17:49
824. Posted by lurker | September 19, 2006 6:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Mostly a recap of everything we already know, but slightly conflicting info in following article:
http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=1062
"Metzger, according to witnesses, seemed dazed when she reappeared, but showed no visible signs of physical abuse..."
Intersting reading all the other Kyrgyz and geographical neigborhood "goings on" reported on that page. I'm definitely bookmarking that site.
824. Posted by lurker | September 19, 2006 6:22 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 18:22
825. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 6:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jocha: I like it. What about the dyed hair???? If drugged to that extent, how could she recall anything never mind remember how she HIT HER KIDNAPPER who was bringing her food. Nice of them to bring her food, but dye her hair....???????????
825. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 6:35 PM |
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826. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 6:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I can't imagine them dying her hair and then feeding her, especially that late at night....hmmmmmm, let's dye he hair and then feed her and call it a night. Her hands were full of that dye, WHY?
If this was covert or some type of intel collecting gone bad - would they dye her hair? for what purpose? Embarrassment???????
826. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 6:37 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 18:37
827. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 7:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Another theory: Maybe they (whoever they is) took Jill Metzger's REAL being and body and returned a fake one in her place with a duplicate facial imprint as hers. She was in excellent physical shape, a military Officer. Perhaps they are doing experiments on her brain activity and physical constitution to see if they can come up with similar military officers of her stature for their own use....oh my, perhaps the real Jill is not, in fact, the real Jill.....
oh boy, too many theories.....
827. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 7:08 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 19:08
828. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 7:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't think many of us who are posting here at this point have much doubt she left TSUM of her own will.
The question is WHY?
Did she plan to be gone for an extended time?
Was it just a "minor" breaking of the rules to do something simple, and she got into a situation she couldn't handle?
Had there been something wrong (depression, illness, instability, harrassing behavior, assault, whatever) that she didn't feel she could report and she felt desperate?
I'm not buying a personnel officer being sent on some covert op, to me that makes the least amount of sense.
I'm going with "something" happened (either materially or psychologically) that caused aberrant behavior in someone who otherwise was fairly together, at least in her professional life. But I've got to admit, it's a puzzle.
828. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 7:12 PM |
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829. Posted by happy | September 19, 2006 7:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink - I am with you with the obsession of "why".
A few things to consider about her leaving TSUM:
- The large bag (enough space for a good supply of clothing/food/HBA's) to be gone for an extended period.
- The fact that she was never to leave her "buddy" yet they both seemed to "get lost" on purpose
- Her cell phone calls made during her shopping trip
Another thing that keeps bothering me is Josh's statement immediately after she was listed as missing. He said "we discussed family matters and then talked about all the things we would do when she got home." Something about this made me wonder if the "family matters" upset her. I spoke before about the deployments I had experienced - the way I explain it to my friends is that every part of your personality is doubled during deployment. Nobody is their normal "self" - you see a lot of bad (affairs, harassment, etc.) and it makes your own problems magnified. I think the last phone call was either her breaking point or her resolution to solve whatever she had done while deployed. She hung up that phone and thought "I have to fix this...I am going home soon". Whatever "this" was is the mystery. If she WAS being harassed by someone that knew something about her - I can say from EXPERIENCE this is by far the worst form of harassment and I can see why she would want to escape. However, I can't see where she would be going or what she would be accomplishing in Kant that would make the harassment go away.
829. Posted by happy | September 19, 2006 7:25 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 19:25
830. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 7:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm with you on the 'discussed family matters.'
It always seemed an odd way to phrase things. Maybe a little stilted. Like whatever they were discussing was not of the "Happy, happy, joy, joy, you are coming home" sort.
Coming from the other side of the issue, I will say that having a spouse returning from a long deployment or remote tour is very stressful.
If you've experienced it in the past, you KNOW after the initial, "I'm so happy you're home!" you're going to end up in a battle of wills. Of course, they were newlyweds, so it's not like they really had any experience living together.
A lot of questions, a lot of theories, no answers.
830. Posted by Shrink | September 19, 2006 7:44 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 19:44
831. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 8:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
“Johca: Good evidentiary points but go easy on the thesaurus. Jill did not have SERE training, but was an avid competitor in CIOR (Interallied Confederation of Reserve Officers). It's a military pentathlon of sorts.
Posted by: Buster at September 19, 2006 05:49 PM “
And being an avid competitor gives what special qualification or personal readiness to do what? Taking out a guard requires a viciousness and willingness to purposefully hurt, maim and kill. Under the Geneva conventions a PW doesn’t have the right or privilege to take such action to escape. There is no indication that she was in such duress to cause such motivation to be so vicious and the tale was she overpowered or knocked the guard unconscious which is quite difficult to do silently and not arousing attention of others. If she over powered and didn’t kill or knockout with a technique that would keep the guard out of it for several minutes or more than she had to secure and gag to prevent rising of alarm she had escaped.
How much are you trying to make me laugh with this suggestion of competing in a military pentathlon of sorts gives the personal knowledge, skills, and readiness to go hand-to-hand and win quietly and silently while also being drugged.
831. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 8:03 PM |
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832. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 8:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The "Eurasian Secret Services Review" article referenced above is interesting. It makes me think they're still looking into this story in Bishkek, and don't know what to make of it either. Surely if she'd had an abortion the Kyrgyz officials would be trumpeting it by now, or if they found out she'd been "visiting" a friend in Kant.
A witness said a foreign woman was speaking Russian and got into a cab during that time: maybe just enough Russian to give directions to an intersection.
I think they don't know either, she dropped off the map after her taxi ride, which makes the "something bad did happen" theory more likely.
832. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 8:11 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 20:11
833. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 8:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't think anyone believes she was a POW with a military guard, lamenting her lack of SERE training and the tenets of the Geneva convention. I'm postulating she was held captive by a regular doodad bad guy. The story we heard was that she whacked her captor when he brought her food. Perhaps she did, if he was a small, non-professional guy. Or perhaps she stumbled out of the house when he went in the crapper. The story she told was relayed through the Kyrgyz police; it may have been hard to understand for various reasons and they may not have gotten her words right. Or she may not have said them right.
833. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 8:16 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 20:16
834. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 8:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR--I do not disagree with your perspective. It is possible the lack of common language confused the account reported. The reference to PW is to make it clear training to kill guards or to take them out is not a skill taught to military members who are not doing infantry or other direct action combat activities. Even then taking out a guard is not something that is encouraged or taught to many military members. Taking out a sentry differs in taking out a guard as there is greater probability of surprising the sentry than a guard.
I have difficulty accepting any confrontation where she overpowered and not because she is a woman, but knowing the difficulty in doing so even when the guard is not expecting it. The human body is quite resilient and element of surprise is fleeting once the first attempt fails. It was the tale of confrontation and overpowering I was addressing not other possibilities.
I certainly can accept the possibility she stumbled out of the house undetected, but then there is the element of deciding direction of route of travel and the arrival at final destination being nothing but luck and chance.
834. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 8:48 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 20:48
835. Posted by Buster | September 19, 2006 8:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
johca: Alrighty then; first off I never said anything about her being drugged nor did I insinuated that a military pentathlon qualified her for anything. For that matter I haven’t even hypothesized what may or may not have happened to Jill. At least not here. But on that note you obviously don’t know what such a military pentathlon is or what it takes to compete at the world class level so I’ll leave that alone for now.
As for your Geneva Convention diatribe, sign up for SERE now. Be sure to tell your instructors that you’re not allowed to hurt, maim, nor kill anyone while trying to escape. Or better yet, follow in her footsteps and take a trip out to Manas AB and wonder off post and see if you can get yourself “captured”.
835. Posted by Buster | September 19, 2006 8:53 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 20:53
836. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 9:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't have to sign up for SERE I have gone through both Air Force and Army level-C SERE courses and have a few other course completed backing up my legitimacy to discuss SERE. I also have 23 years experience doing combat rescue and special operations as a combatant/operator.
I’m also very familiar of the Air Force having served 23 years active duty in the Air Force. I addressed the tales in the public domain and the opinion rendered were from professional qualifications dealing with personal recovery, special operations. I certainly have not made any person attack of person and have limited to published accounts. So your need to attack person is?
836. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 9:17 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 21:17
837. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 9:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Like I said.... johco knows of what he speaks...
It's indeed unlikely that Jill could have done what she claimed to have done. AND ..... IF... she was that well qualified in all the physical aspects of all this Rambo stuff that some may want to ascribe to her... she could have broken away from a ragtag group with no problem...
837. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 9:28 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 21:28
838. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 9:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SERE training is some tough stuff. Mentally and Physically. As a personnel Officer, I am sure Jill did not have SERE training. Regardless, how could she be drugged and battle her way out of a dark room? I still say "the kidnappers who would have planted a bomb and note and put her in a trance and planned this elaborate abduction, would certainly have planned to have an American military Officer's HANDS TIED so she could not escape.....(now Wiz and I could have gotten out of that though) :-)
I think I'll stick to the abortion theory. She would not have come back to the states to do that as her family, her husband, people would just find out and/or know. That would be something she would want to hide for many reasons - sex while deployed, affair, she is married - all would render her OUT....
838. Posted by Deb G. | September 19, 2006 9:36 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 21:36
839. Posted by yathink | September 19, 2006 9:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To johco:
Off topic, but you sound like someone I met once...
Were you by chance teaching a survival course in Alaska in 02-03?
839. Posted by yathink | September 19, 2006 9:38 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 21:38
840. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 9:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I hate to be redundant... but here goes..
1. Bldg..Tsum is smack dab in the middle of town. It is, by far, the busiest place (aside from osh market) in the city. It is teeming with security. Uniformed and not.
2. Kidnapping - random.. is highly unlikely for there are dozens if not hundreds of other Americans/foreigners in Bishkek. This would be THE LAST place to attempt a random kidnapping.
3. Kidnapping - Targeted.. The amount of planning and coordingation EXCLUDES this option. People would have to know too much... too far in advance... and have well trained people in place to accomplish it.
The entire premise of her story falls apart because this is probably the most outlandish thing she could have come up with... Major Jill Metzger was not KIDNAPPED.
4. Add to that... The NOTE.
5. Trance like state.
6. Bomb in pants (or elsewhere)
7. Walking out of Tsum on her own..
GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!! THINK people .... THINK!!!
840. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 9:42 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 21:42
841. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 10:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz:
still thinking. The bomb in pocket story is ridiculous, outlandish, bull-oney, we all agree.
1.) Maybe she didn't really say it. The Kyrgyz police said she was "confused in her story". Maybe she said all kinds of wacky, slurred things and that was the only part they could piece together. We are getting information 2nd or 3rd hand, and we don't know what really happened.
2.) Maybe the parts of her supposed story came out oddly. "It was like I was in a trance" may have been said in reference to something else (e.g. running away from bad guy) but the police interpreted it to be part of her bomb story. The word "trance" would be an odd word for a non-native-English-speaker to even recognize, in my opinion. We don't know her mental state during the time of the police interview, we don't know what kind of interview tactics they used, we don't know how well they speak English. She may not have said anything like what was reported.
841. Posted by VR | September 19, 2006 10:03 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 22:03
842. Posted by Gh | September 19, 2006 10:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Think this AP reporter Leila Saralayeva, would want to find this farm house where Jill was found and interview this Svetlana Ishchenko, who gave the details of Jill knocking on the door.
By all accounts I read the police are source of this story and giving it to the press through 24 kg. Report, whatever that is.
I like that ketamine theory! Makes for a good story! Reading those stories from the link in lurkers post means there are more drug deals going down there then in East LA!
Does anybody know if the wedded couple is still going on their honeymoon? Or even if the AF will let her go yet?
842. Posted by Gh | September 19, 2006 10:16 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 22:16
843. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 10:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To johca:
Were you by chance teaching a survival course in Alaska in 02-03?
Posted by: yathink at September 19, 2006 09:38
No but you got my 2002/2003 location nailed. I do perhaps know who you are talking about (a former team mate who took a 50 cal round to the right arm) if it was a civilian run course.
843. Posted by johca | September 19, 2006 10:43 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 22:43
844. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 10:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
At this point, all of our debating is of little consequence. Unless the media picks up on something that really rocks the socks off the Military.. It will be dealt with in a very quiet and private way.
I, for one, have my doubts regarding the entire story. If you want my personal opinion as to what will happen from this point forward... Major Jill will have her day in court with the people at Moody... she will have her wrist slapped a couple of times... she will probably be divorced before the entire thing is resolved.. But.. that's just my prognosis on the situation.
I like to take situations like this, extrapolate and later on... see how close I was to the situation as it unfolded. Unfortunately, I may never know all the results. I do, however, believe I can find out.
Nevertheless... When I lay out all the 'facts' before me, I get a puzzle that just doesn't 'click' to similar situations and how it should have been handled. In this case, there are far too many contradictions to what, in my experience, should have happened.
I'll continue to post any headlines from around the world as they unfold. There are reports of many "copy cat" crimes being committed now that people believe that it is a good "out" if they get caught.
Till then...
I remain your poster at large..
Wizbanger
844. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 10:55 PM |
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845. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 10:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
THIS JUST IN............. B R E A K I N G N E W S!!!!!
Heidelberg, Germany
September 19, 2006
Heidelberg University is rumored to be opening a new field of research based upon the story of Major Jill -the Butcher- Metzger (as you know Metzger means Butcher in German). Her kidnapping was all that Herr Dr. Wilhelm Luftkopf needed to proceed with convincing the Department of Psychiatry his theory that “normal” people are not normal, and that “insane” people are normal.
Unfortunately, Dr. Luftkopf could not be reached for comment. However, the Psychiatry Department stated that Dr. Luftkopf is resting comfortably in one of the “residential apartments” until the medication wears off, at which time he will be transferred to a ‘Kur House” in Austria. No word on the new research department. University officials refused to comment.
845. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 10:58 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 22:58
846. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 11:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
THIS JUST IN............. B R E A K I N G N E W S!!!!!
London..
September 19, 2006
A rash of ‘copy cat’ crimes, which are being termed “Mock Metzger Manipulation” are beginning to surface throughout the country. Children, teenagers, and adults alike are turning the Metzger story from Bishkek in which Major Jill Metzger claimed to have been abducted from a mall by means of a HAND WRITTEN NOTE and falling into a trance.
Among the most bizarre, a woman claiming to have ‘special connection’ to the Bishkek underground, was arrested selling “Trance Notes” in the red light district. Claiming that the notes would work on the prostitutes working in the area. Local hospitals have treated over 78 men who were beaten unconscious while attempting to ‘cash in’ on the notes.
846. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 19, 2006 11:07 PM |
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Posted on September 19, 2006 23:07
847. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 12:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Should there be doubt or confusion of my military background, this is the specialty description of the job I did for 23 years:
Performs, plans, leads, supervises, instructs, and evaluates pararescue activities. Performs as the essential surface, air link in personnel recovery (PR) and materiel recovery by functioning as the rescue and recovery specialist on flying status as mission crew or as surface elements. Provides rapid response capability and operates in the six geographic disciplines: mountain, desert, arctic, urban, jungle and water, day or night, to include friendly, denied, hostile, or sensitive areas. Provides assistance in and performs survival, evasion, resistance, and escape (SERE). Provides emergency trauma and field
medical care, and security. Moves recovered personnel and materiel to safety or friendly control when recovery by aircraft is not possible. Related DoD Occupational Subgroup: 105000.
Should somebody or anybody care to discuss if I know what a military pentathlon is (five events: 1, shooting, 2. cross country run, 3. throwing, 4. Obstacle run, and 5. Obstacle swimming) or what it takes to compete in one we can discuss it. I’m very capable of talking about myself and what I have and have not done. BTW, I must have done something as my highest awarded military decoration gives me an extra 10% in retired pay for heroism every month. Look up what is needed to be done for eligibility for that entitlement. Better yet look up how few get this entitlement.
847. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 12:14 AM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 00:14
848. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 20, 2006 12:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
SO....
Any further questions???
Now.. to the matter at hand....
We will now conduct a poll, as is customary...
All those who believe that Maj Metzgers story stinks say: Aye!
Opposed:
Like I thought! Ayes have it.. Please have a seat.
848. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 20, 2006 12:53 AM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 00:53
849. Posted by another thought | September 20, 2006 1:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
W O W......CHECK OUT WHAT I JUST FOUND..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Metzger
"Subsequent news reported in the Kyrgyz Republic but not in the U.S. claimed that Metzger was pregnant at the time of her disappearance and that her disappearance was related somehow to hiding her pregnancy from her fiance or husband"
849. Posted by another thought | September 20, 2006 1:29 AM |
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850. Posted by lurker | September 20, 2006 1:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
yes, that bit in wiki was added just a few hours ago
:-)
I wonder if it was someone from here that did it (ip = 207.162.9.2)
850. Posted by lurker | September 20, 2006 1:50 AM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 01:50
851. Posted by Gh | September 20, 2006 2:02 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well with that added wikithings ought to get right interesting now!
851. Posted by Gh | September 20, 2006 2:02 AM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 02:02
852. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 2:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Johca---
You should know by now that internet is full of liars and "coulda, woulda, shoulda" beens with a few legit players mixed in. If what you are saying about yourself is true (I personally accept your story), there is no way to prove it on the forum and it just leads to more bickering and 'one-ups-man-ship'. ("oh yeah, well I'm a SEAL... oh yeah, well I'm a super SEAL/ CCT combo..etc).
I'm sure I could name drop and verify that you are a member of that community but for all the folks not associated with the operations world, the legit operators just blend in with the x-box warriors who get off on playing Rainbox Six eight hours a day.
Bottom line: don't worry too much about defending yourself... none of us deserve it if its true and none of us want it if it isn't.
Here's a name: did you know Paul Soomsawasdi? (CCT).
852. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 2:08 AM |
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853. Posted by another thought | September 20, 2006 2:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
oops, old news and a repeat. Sorry Kuba- but I found the last statement really interesting. I didn't realize that it had been circulated in the news over there.
853. Posted by another thought | September 20, 2006 2:17 AM |
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854. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
---------Lurker--------- et.al.
yes, that bit in wiki was added just a few hours ago
:-)
I wonder if it was someone from here that did it (ip = 207.162.9.2)
Posted by: lurker at September 20, 2006 01:50 AM
Well, if it was posted by someone from here... it ranks right up there with a Jill Metzger move... know what I mean?
854. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:58 AM |
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855. Posted by lurker | September 20, 2006 4:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm not sure what you mean... a hoax? You think the entry is bogus (no local abortion story reported)?
I guess we'll have to wait for a local confirmation
Kuba: Any substance to this?
BTW, the IP is Canadian.
855. Posted by lurker | September 20, 2006 4:50 AM |
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856. Posted by PAC | September 20, 2006 6:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IP is from Universite du Quebec UQUEBEC-CA
856. Posted by PAC | September 20, 2006 6:15 AM |
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857. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 20, 2006 6:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
2Another thought
"Kuba- but I found the last statement really interesting. I didn't realize that it had been circulated in the news over there."
I was communicated via email that abortion story was broadcasted on Kyrgyz TV, which turned out to be NTS Bishkek TV station. www.nts.kg
I am currently working abroad, and not in Kyrgyzstan. (BTW not in Canada :) )
I asked Gogi to get a videotape from NTS onto the web. Gogi seems to be disappearing from this blog.
857. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 20, 2006 6:55 AM |
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858. Posted by another thought | September 20, 2006 7:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Metzger
"Subsequent news reported in the Kyrgyz Republic but not in the U.S. claimed that Metzger was pregnant at the time of her disappearance and that her disappearance was related somehow to hiding her pregnancy from her fiance or husband"
Well, the statement seems to have been removed. Sorry, don't know how to tell who removed it. Guess it was bogus. Thought we were on to something.
Well off to Moody for the day. Can't wait to see if anyone is talking yet.
858. Posted by another thought | September 20, 2006 7:33 AM |
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859. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 20, 2006 8:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Are there medical experts out there?
Some doctor has made a claim that Jill is not alright, looking at her photo on the top of this blog. Her face seems to be yellowishly tainted, especially areas on forehead, chin and neck.
The doctor said to me that this might be a symptom of her:
1) Being poisoned
2) Being a drug addict
3) Hepatitis
4) Being pregnant
What do you reckon?
859. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 20, 2006 8:51 AM |
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860. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 9:02 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba:
I've seen this same photo with reddish tints. I think it's just a funny coloring on the photo.
The main reason for a person's skin to turn yellow is if they're very jaundiced from liver failure. That could occur with hepatitis, but before the skin turns yellow the whites of the eyes get VERY yellow. The whites of her eyes look normal. She's not jaundiced. You can actually tint your skin yellow/orangish by eating too many carrots. This happens to some vegetarians. It's not a bad thing.
She's not a drug addict. The military does random urine drug testing and would catch a drug ADDICT without too much problem, particularly if they were addicted enough to show changes in their face.
Pregnancy can sometimes make the face look "fuller", but I've never heard of pregnancy making the face look yellow.
The only thing I'd say about her photo was already mentioned here. She's a distance runner and very thin. Her cheeks are sunken in because of her thinness. You can also make out quite a bit of hair on her cheeks, which may also be from hormonal changes due to very low body fat.
860. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 9:02 AM |
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861. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 9:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The yellowish taint seen on forehead in photo is very inconclusive. The discoloration could be lighting or printing process, or even result of applying dye to hair and the subsequent washing of the dye out of the hair.
Practicing medicine from a photograph is like playing Russian roulette, you don't know where you don't know for sure the cause of the skin discoloration is from a medical condition.
861. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 9:03 AM |
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862. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I seemed to have missed some great posts. Wiz, I always smile, even smirk when I read your posts.
It would be a pretty simple explanation: Metzger leaves mall to go to abortion clinic, abortion perforates uterus, she is still in what seems like a drunken stupor from valium (which they do, in fact, give some pretty potent drugs for an abortion). She KNOWS she cannot call base for help (her career would be gone instantly), she leaves clinic, walks to a house (blood on feet could be from perforated uterus), asks for help, WANTS TO CONTACT EMBASSSY and not Manas. Potent drugs given during abortion and after CAN induce some pretty strange words (like being under laughing gas and anesthesia pre and post surgery). She is whisked away to Landstuhl for immediate help with a perforated uterus, bingo, end of story......large bag seen with her in mall contains change of clothes (she was in clothes too large for her, which, from what I know, they tell you to wear so that you may be comfortable following an abortion as you will BLEED heavy for a few days, and dyed her hair to make it look like a kidnapping....anyone, including herself, could have bought hair dye.....In my opinion, she obviously had so much going for her, there would be NO reason for her to risk leaving the Tsum to visit a friend, someone could have come to the Tsum, rather than her risking the consequences. She HAD to leave to seek an abortion though, they don't come to you. This would be a HUGE reason for her to go AWOL, to protect her career, her marriage, her reputation, her family from being embarrassed and giving her a difficult time....for a woman with her type A personality and need to compete, an abortion would be the perfect reason for her to go AWOL.....she did NOT want her husband in Germany because she was embarrassed and just wanted to be alone. They sent him anyway knowing he should be there. If there was something between the two of them, they would NOT have sent him......A newly married woman who was just abducted or in a bad situation WOULD TRULY AND SINCERELY WANT HER HUSBAND WITH HER FOLLOWING AN INCIDENT LIKE THAT. She would NOT, however, following an abortion.....just the female psyche of guilt and stay away from me following such a shameful situation.
862. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:04 AM |
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863. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Anemia can cause yellowing of the skin. Pernicious Anemia as well and Uremia. All of these conditions can cause "mental confusion".
Uremia can be caused by a high protein diet (pre race goal) an increase in protein, drugs such as tetracycline (which might have been given following an abortion). Also, I have read on several sites that abortion itself can causse Uremia and Anemia......Yes, sticking with the abortion theory....
863. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:27 AM |
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864. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 9:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Johca---
You should know by now that internet is full of liars and "coulda, woulda, shoulda" beens with a few legit players mixed in. If what you are saying about yourself is true (I personally accept your story), there is no way to prove it on the forum and it just leads to more bickering and 'one-ups-man-ship'. ("oh yeah, well I'm a SEAL... oh yeah, well I'm a super SEAL/ CCT combo..etc).
I'm sure I could name drop and verify that you are a member of that community but for all the folks not associated with the operations world, the legit operators just blend in with the x-box warriors who get off on playing Rainbox Six eight hours a day.
Here's a name: did you know Paul Soomsawasdi? (CCT).
Posted by: ikj at September 20, 2006 02:08 AM
Very true but there has only been about 4000 PJs since 1947 and the data base is 99% accurate. There are means to verify such claims. I do not know Paul Soomsawdai, however if you want verification that he is or isn’t I can get it. I could get verification if you asked if he was a SEAL too, but it would take a bit longer.
Those wanting verification of my identity and background need only e-mail the USAF Pararescue Association with a cut and paste of any of my posts and ask the writer be identified and the verification will be provided or you can always go to the PJ school and ask the same.
864. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 9:27 AM |
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865. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 9:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Johca---
You are right! And I'm glad that these elite communities have collectively created a process to filter out the frauds... and hopefully expose them. I've got no reason to suspect anything other than you are legit...so thanks for being there for guys like me.
No need to verify Paul Soomsawasdi: he was my roommate in college. We both initially lost our pilot slots in college and both got interested in CCT. I got my slot back and lost interest (but certainly not the respect) but Paul was born for that job. He also did CIOR and CISM... I trained with him for a while but just didn't have "it" in me to train enough to be able to compete at that level. Paul was killed in the MC-130 crash in Puerto Rico in '02. At his funeral in Arlington, there was a "sea" of Red and Maroon berets... didn't know if you were one of them.
vr
865. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 9:37 AM |
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866. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Took this out of a medical site:
This fact was especially true in a case where extreme septic absorption after a badly conducted abortion caused acute nephritis and suppression of the urine. Uremia supervened, with delirium and mild convulsions.
Uremia could have caused Jill's confusion, thus, incoherent and obvious bull oney story....as well as yellowing of her skin....
866. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:41 AM |
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867. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:44 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ:
Sorry to hear about your friend, Paul. I recall the story of the crash in 02'.
Johca: Thanks for being around.....
867. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 9:44 AM |
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868. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 9:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb:
Good points but I think that photo was taken before the whole trance, bomb, combat, escape ordeal... aka desert, abort, return & lie.
868. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 9:45 AM |
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869. Posted by IKJ | September 20, 2006 10:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ:
Sorry to hear about your friend, Paul. I recall the story of the crash in 02'.
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Deb G: Thanks.
869. Posted by IKJ | September 20, 2006 10:19 AM |
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870. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 10:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well guys and gals, this has been fun. It will be interesting to hear the final outcome, if we ever do. We've spun a lot of theories. The ones that seem to me to fit what we've heard the best:
1. AWOL for unclear reason, snatched and held, escape, confused/panicky story
2. AWOL for abortion, complication, return & lie
If #2 she came up with the lamest story EVER.
Our mission now should be to talk this news feature up to anyone who will listen. Write to the newspapers, write to Leila Saralayeva (the local Bishkek reporter, can be reached via info@ap.org), write to the Daily Dispatch (an on-line newspaper from the Metzgers' local area, can be reached here: http://www.hendersondispatch.com/), put stuff back in Wikipedia if possible (that was a BRILLIANT idea, whoever did that), write to Air Force publications, just get public interest going in this story. We aren't going to figure it out on this blog, and we aren't going to hear about it if the story is allowed to die.
870. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 10:22 AM |
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871. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 10:43 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR--
You nailed it... I think the AF would prefer this story just fade away (as would Jill). I'll be happy to press the issue.
871. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 10:43 AM |
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872. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 10:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
“She KNOWS she cannot call base for help (her career would be gone instantly)” Unfortunately this speculation of calling the U.S. Embassy rather than the base not the only reason or even the better reason for calling the Embassy rather than the Base. Had she been found by local law enforcement unconscious or dead that agency would most likely call the Embassy rather than the base. The base commander and the military lacks jurisdiction outside of the installation unless a designated area of military operations is declared. Jurisdiction for responsibility for dealing with situations is the U.S. Ambassador and Embassy in country. Military jurisdiction and authority to act is limited by Status of Forces Agreement (If one is in place) or other agreements, or declaration of area and period of military operations (this typical means combat operations of some sort, but here can be other reasons, but I also doubt the Major’s adduction was sufficient).
In similar situation in this particular country, presuming the abduction and escape is true, I would be calling the Embassy and not the base. Heck, with the disorientation it can be argued the Major couldn’t even know if she was in the same country anymore.
Regarding the need to get her out of country fast I can make a great speculative argument that it was done so AF and OSI would be doing the inquiry rather than the U.S. Embassy, State Department, and some other Federal Law Enforcement agency.
872. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 10:45 AM |
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873. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ: Not sure of the pic you are referring to. I think I just assumed it was the pic of her getting off the plane where her mother half handedly attempting to hand roses to her (which, she literally just held her arm up for Jill to take them as in complete disgust of her actions - she did not actually HAND them to her). She looked pretty well, ill looking in that photo with yellowy skin....I thought that was the one being referred to....
873. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:45 AM |
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874. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 10:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ:
Sorry to hear about your friend, Paul. I recall the crash in 02' and others. If I was on active duty at the time or at the funeral I would have recalled the name.
874. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 10:51 AM |
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875. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Johca: What you just relayed puts an alert to me that she was, in fact, COHERENT enough and intelligent enough to KNOW to ask for the embassy and not the base. So, all the speculations about confusion and being disoriented might not even be true then, was she acting and pretending to be confused - probably, if she was making up an abduction story. Perhaps her false story was relayed exactly the way folks over there are portraying it and Jill did, indeed, make up the facts (bomb in pocket, trance, note, etc...). Why would the people who found her and took her in make up a story and lie? They have no reason to....Now, I know I know, people can get a story wrong and facts twisted, but that is some severely twisted facts. I could not evem pull those facts out of my hat if I wanted to....
yup, sticking to the abortion gone bad theory and trying to cover her ars.....let's face it, if you NEEDED to make up an abduction story to save your career, marriage, character, you would certainly not just show up at someone's door, unscathed and say I have been kidnapped and escaped....you would go through some extreme to make it look that way - like the Runaway Bride did, even cutting her own hair to make it look like she was abducted....
875. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:53 AM |
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876. Posted by laughing lurker | September 20, 2006 10:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You guys, that photo was taken months ago. You are going down yet another rabbit hole.
876. Posted by laughing lurker | September 20, 2006 10:55 AM |
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877. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 11:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
laughing lurker: If you had any clue as to what you are talking about - there was a photo printed - in newspapers, of Jill coming back from Germany last week and her mother handing her flowers....perhaps you have some info. to offer and not just "sit in YOUR rabbit hole"......
877. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 11:00 AM |
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878. Posted by laughing lurker | September 20, 2006 11:01 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I call bullshit on this one:
You're the same guy that put out the unlinked, unattributed and non-verified "pregnancy" rumor, aren't you? And look at all the fun gossip that got squeezed out of that one! Yeehaw!
878. Posted by laughing lurker | September 20, 2006 11:01 AM |
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879. Posted by laughing lurker | September 20, 2006 11:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
But Debbie dear, if you read for comprehension, you'd know that Kuba was referring to the photo at the top of this blog.
879. Posted by laughing lurker | September 20, 2006 11:04 AM |
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880. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 11:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G: My mistake, I was referring to the pic at the top of this post.
Johca: copy that... I've probably worked w/ some folks you know (if not you personally)... problem is, I don't usually get to the "let's get to know each other" stage when we are working (JFX, real world etc).
it's bed time... see ya later.
880. Posted by ikj | September 20, 2006 11:06 AM |
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881. Posted by more gossip | September 20, 2006 11:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Copied from mil discussion board:
OK Boys and Girls, here is an update to this story:
I ran into a fella on 9/18 that had just returned from his deployment to Manas. Of course I casually asked "do you know what happened to that major that disappeared?"
Incredulously, this fella actually knew her and was deployed with her. This is HIS story (and I can neither confirm nor deny these details):
Female major went out on the town shopping with approx. 3-4 other companions. All were wearing civies, and she was wearing large amounts of flashy jewelry to include large necklace, ring, bracelet, etc., and a large purse. During the shopping trip, she got separated from the rest of the group. At this time she was nabbed by a group of people and kidnapped.
Apaprently (fella quoted ongoing OSI investigation) the kidnappers were in cahoots with local organized crime and keyed in on her apparent wealth (not knowing she was AF) and upon realizing they had inadvertently kidnapped an AF Officer, they realized how serious this now was. At that time they tried to alter her identity with a haircut and a hair dying. As they realized that this would bring about a large beat-down by the government, they released her.
She is a marathon runner and claims that her marathon training discipline helped her get through this ordeal.
One last detail - now, no one is allowed off-base EVER. Punish the masses!
Enjoy!
881. Posted by more gossip | September 20, 2006 11:23 AM |
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882. Posted by BonZaiBandit | September 20, 2006 11:28 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yo!! LURKER
The whole thing about the pregnacy bit is not intended to be a rumor.. IF YOU READ FOR CONTENT and CONTEXT.. you would realize that these are Theories being thrown out to see which one of the theories holds to the litmus test.
So far... I still hold to the abortion theory.. We'll see.
882. Posted by BonZaiBandit | September 20, 2006 11:28 AM |
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883. Posted by BonZaiBandit | September 20, 2006 11:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
more gossip----------
That I don't believe... SIMPLE REASON... everyone is told not to be flashing jewelery, money, or anything that would attract the petty thieves..
But I would be interested in reading the piece where you got it...
883. Posted by BonZaiBandit | September 20, 2006 11:35 AM |
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884. Posted by yathink | September 20, 2006 11:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
johca, you said-
No but you got my 2002/2003 location nailed. I do perhaps know who you are talking about (a former team mate who took a 50 cal round to the right arm) if it was a civilian run course.
Posted by: johca at September 19, 2006 10:43 PM
**********
Sounds like might be your friend, it was a civ. course and he had something wrong with arm. He didn't give any personal info, basically said:
you want to learn how to stay alive, then listen, if not, GTFO....He did say he had bagged the BIG 8 while in AK....
He did know what he was talking about . While it wasn't part of the course, I don't think there was weapon invented that he didn't have the specs on inside that head...
True nice guy....most of that type I've met were truly nice guys until called upon to do their job...antithesis of the Rainbow 6 'heros'...
He used the term "P&S boys" (point and shoot) in reference to some of the lesser trained military types...
Sound like your friend?
884. Posted by yathink | September 20, 2006 11:42 AM |
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885. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 11:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
more gossip:
Fascinating. It sort of makes weird sense. One WOULDN'T know she was an AF officer if one saw her on the street, she'd just look like a very petite, cute turista (or whatever they call them there, turistyeva). Once her AF ID was discovered, there would be consternation on the part of the kidnapper. Maybe THEY dyed her hair to try to make it look like a bridenapping, throw the police off the trail...
If this guy from Manas is talking, where are all the other stories from Manas? C'mon, they may not be able to get off base but they all have e-mail accounts. Military people with friends who know friends in Manas or recently returned from Manas: what are they all saying???
Supposedly there's video footage of Jill getting into a cab by herself, but perhaps the video camera in the store foyer was all there was. You couldn't tell what happened once she got outside, other than Santa Claus waiting to greet her. PErhaps she just stepped out to get some fresh air and get a glimpse of scenic Bishkek? And was "assisted" into a cab?
V "ketamine" R
885. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 11:50 AM |
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886. Posted by Happy | September 20, 2006 12:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Have we all forgotten that Jill made a statement that her necklace was stolen, but oddly not her ring? Wouldn't "organized crime" steal a diamond ring? Hmmmmm. Not making sense.
In addition, remember the HBA theory I had about her hair dye??? The same holds true with accessories. In addition, the original "missing" announcement showed her wearing a green sweater set holding an oakleaf - (let me know if you need the link to the pic)they said she had been wearing the SAME outfit the day of the abduction. She was not wearing a necklace or flashy accessories of any type in the picture. I don't think she would have added the accessories for a shopping trip...unless of course she turned into "sporty spice" overnight. Hardly unlikely.
As far as the drugs/yellow skin picture - read up in my post about exercise "Amenorrhea". She shows signs of the physical features of someone having amenorrhea - the excess hair, the sallow skin which is one of the reasons I don't think she was pregnant. I am sticking with the blood doping theory. She was given a homologous transfusion and had a bad reaction - it can send you into shock. She had to stay at the clinic or wherever and when she was well enough to come back she died her hair. Maybe one of the blood bags broke on her feet a voila! Bloody feet. Mystery solved : )
886. Posted by Happy | September 20, 2006 12:13 PM |
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887. Posted by Johca | September 20, 2006 12:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Sounds like might be your friend, it was a civ. course and he had something wrong with arm. He didn't give any personal info, basically said:
you want to learn how to stay alive, then listen, if not, GTFO....He did say he had bagged the BIG 8 while in AK...." Not sure about the big8, he does do a fair amount of hunting, whereas I do not, otherwise a definite possibility.
887. Posted by Johca | September 20, 2006 12:21 PM |
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888. Posted by Sickening | September 20, 2006 12:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G., Happy and others. What little I know about you, I find sickening.
You know nothing about the individuals in this situation. You know nothing about the investigation that has been completed. In essence you know nothing, and your weak attempts at logical thought only make you come off as warped.
Is it really that hard to follow? Abduction. Loud response including closing the border. Trafficking no longer easy so they let her go. She's found in bad shape.
BTW--> Anyone ever tried to run over 20 miles when you can hardly walk? Anyone? Didn't think so.
888. Posted by Sickening | September 20, 2006 12:31 PM |
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889. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 12:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
“Apaprently (fella quoted ongoing OSI investigation) the kidnappers were in cahoots with local organized crime and keyed in on her apparent wealth (not knowing she was AF) and upon realizing they had inadvertently kidnapped an AF Officer, they realized how serious this now was. At that time they tried to alter her identity with a haircut and a hair dying. As they realized that this would bring about a large beat-down by the government, they released her.”
A reasonable explanation except the means, technique, and process to isolate and gain control of a crime victim of opportunity does discredit it. I also doubt anybody not being in the OSI or key leader in the wing being able to quote an OSI investigation where there is no official news releases being made. For moral purposes some explanation would, however, would be made to justify the no longer being able to go off base for MWR purposes’. The individual also just returned from Manas, considering travel time from Manas to wherever in CONUS it is highly probable he knows nothing factual of what the inquiry is discovering or not discovering.
889. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 12:37 PM |
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890. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 12:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening:
That wasn't YOU just now, on a blog, THEORIZING, without knowning any facts, was it? Say it ain't so.
890. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 12:56 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 12:56
891. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
--------------Sickening
I went to see my doctor the other day for chest pain. I told him that every time I raise my right arm I get chest pain.... Know what he said... don't raise the arm...
It may serve you well to just not be lurking in here.. Then you wouldn't get that sickening feeling.
Aside from that... and again.. I'm falling into redundancy...
1.. she did something she wasn't supposed to do - Separate from the group
2. She is captured on camera leaving the store by herself
3. Taxi driver IDs her as a fare.
4. She tells a Whopper of a story Bomb, Note, Trance, Escape, Evasion.. etc
5. Military swoops her out of country within a couple of hours (THAT ALONE SHOULD SPEAK VOLUMES to anyone familiar with protocol on evac out of a theater)
6. Investigation by local police is thwarted by her premature departure..
NOW... there are others here who may wish to add to this list based on knowledge and logic of military ops and SOP.. When that is compiled, read it and commit it to memory.... It's kinda' like a puzzle - the picture says one thing... but the pieces say something completely different...
Your emotional thoughts on this have very little bearing on the PUZZLE and the PIECES...
Thank you....
Meeting at 1400... Poll to be taken!!!!
891. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:02 PM |
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892. Posted by Warped Person #1 | September 20, 2006 1:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR - couldn't have said it better myself!
Sickening,
Because you are apparently the first to have access to the said "closed investigation" could you please enlighten us with some of the facts that led to our warped theories:
- Are the kidnappers gypsies and how did they get the trance-letter and mini-bomb into Jill's pocket?
- Was it the kidnappers wanting Jill to use the payphone and did they give her the change to use it, or did she have to pay?
- What were they hoping to get from their traffic attempts? Didn't know there was a large demand for 33 year old mullet wearing American women...
892. Posted by Warped Person #1 | September 20, 2006 1:10 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 13:10
893. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JMRO... Joint Medical Regulating Office.
This office is responsible of coordinating MedEvac from/to/or within any theater of operations.
Somebody downrange has a MedEvac (going to the hospital is a MedEvac.. folks), they must contact JMRO for coordination between AE Squadron and the accepting hospital. Facility wanting to evac a person must contact the appropriate medical POC, POC contacts JMRO with details on patient, JMRO contacts hospital and accepting physician, Hospital says "OK" send em up... AE Squadron is notified by JMRO of patient to be picked up....
You see.... you don't just decide... "AHhhh, well, lemme see here, we could send her to XYZ hosp".. It's not a simple task.. .
The fact that it took place within hours is SIGNIFICANT!!! You get that?!!!? Significant! In other words... IT MEANS SOMETHING. She was wisked away for a reason!!!
893. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:26 PM |
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894. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here's another clue......
Psych patients DO NOT ----- repeat ------ DO NOT fall under the category of URGENT Air Evac...
If this Major was suffering from BiPolar disorder and Major Depression... with suicidal tendencies... she would have to wait till the next ROUTINE flight going out... THIS WAS AN URGENT A/E....
Any Questions??
OK... please have a seat...
PREPARE for poll!
894. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:36 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 13:36
895. Posted by Warped#2 | September 20, 2006 1:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz,
Could you give us some examples of who would qualify for URGENT Air EVAC?
- Someone w/blisters from running 20 miles?
- A trance-like zombie?
- Someone traumatized by a bad haircut?
- Someone making a false official statement to a host nation police investigation?
**Is the poll 1400 Eastern Time Zone?
895. Posted by Warped#2 | September 20, 2006 1:46 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 13:46
896. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Quoted... straight out of the manual!!
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Over-classification must be avoided to prevent unnecessary hardship to patients on flights that might be diverted. Proper evaluation can also avoid unnecessary, costly, hazardous, or special flights
a. Urgent. For an emergency case which must be moved as soon as possible to save life or limb, or to prevent complication of a serious illness. Psychiatric or terminal cases with a very short life expectancy are not considered urgent
b. Priority. For patients requiring prompt medical care not available locally. Such patients must be evacuated within 24 hours and delivered with the least possible delay
c. Routine. For patients who should be evacuated up within 72 hours and moved on routine or scheduled flights
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896. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 1:50 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 13:50
897. Posted by Deb G. a/k/a Warped Person # 2 | September 20, 2006 1:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Why would ANYONE want to come on here and put down or comment against someone blogging here – it’s a blog for goodness sake. Go fight horse slaughter or save the whales or try lurking around the serial killer sites or pedophile sites, but why come here and tell people they are sickening?? I would think there are a million and one other sites to call people sickening (like the ones mentioned earlier, but if you need some more, I can send you a list to keep you busy)
Take your hypocrite attitude and shooooeee
Wiz, VR, Warped Person #1: LOL I can see a new blog now: "Why do bloggers blog about others whose actions are pretty crappy"
897. Posted by Deb G. a/k/a Warped Person # 2 | September 20, 2006 1:52 PM |
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898. Posted by Deb G. a/k/a Warped Person 3 | September 20, 2006 1:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well then, abortion gone bad and perforated uterus would be reason to EVAC out immediately then - so she would not bleed to death or die from potential infections.....
Maybe she hurt her hand when she attacked and beat her kidnapper, errr, one of them - while the others were watching T.V. and did not hear the scuffle or see her leave or see her incoherent and in a state of confusion, bleeding, etc....thus, they had to take her out immediately for a limb injury :-)
sorry, I am not warped person 2, that would make me warped person 3... :-)
898. Posted by Deb G. a/k/a Warped Person 3 | September 20, 2006 1:58 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 13:58
899. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So... My Warped friend.. hope that answers the question...
Blisters, ingrown toenails, bunions.. do not qualify
Trance-like zombies.. falls under psych problems
Bad hair cuts... unless performed by Geronimo.. NO!
Incoherent, false, imaginary, or gibberish statements...NO!
Abortions gone bad... Hmmmmm... lemme see.. check back with me on that!! I'll have to do some research!!!
899. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:00 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:00
900. Posted by Warped1 | September 20, 2006 2:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just a FYI fact:
Jessica Lynch was flown to Germany (landstuhl) 24 HRS after they rescued her. She had two broken legs.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/02/sprj.irq.lynch.rescue/index.html
Strange how the article does not state "alleged prisoner" or that Jessica "just wants her privacy"
900. Posted by Warped1 | September 20, 2006 2:11 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:11
901. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Abcess in breast........ hmmmm ... no!
Abcess in butt........ hmmmm ... no!
Abdominal Muscle tear........ hmmmm ... no!
Abdominal Muscle, pulled...... ... no!
Abdominal Muscle, squeezed.... ... no!
Abortion gone good......... hmmmm ... no!
Abortion gone bad ......... Ahhhh.. here it is... YES!!!
I got it! I got it!.... In the case of an abortion gone bad, in which the life of the patient is put at risk due to complications, such as perforated uterus... and the bleeding is not stopped with a band aid... YES.. that can be classified as a PRIORITY or URGENT Air Evac...
WOW!!! You guys really helped me out on this one.
Bunions... no
Blisters... no
Bulmania.. no
Bad dye job... no
Bad Breath... no
901. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:13 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:13
902. Posted by happy | September 20, 2006 2:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz,
Pretty please...just for fun - can you look up "blood transfusion gone bad"?
Or EPO injection? Puleeeeeze?
902. Posted by happy | September 20, 2006 2:16 PM |
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903. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 2:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
All the usual aerovac considerations would fly out the window in this case because of the publicity it had generated or would be expected to generate. Her quick evacuation is the result of the Manas Wing Commander getting on the phone and saying "I want this Major on a plane to Landstuhl. NOW." Plane appears, paperwork happens after the fact. I doubt JRMO even got involved at the beginning.
"Medevac" is a term the Army uses.
"Aerovac" is AF language.
(They mean basically the same thing. Usually the Army is "medevac-ing" by chopper to a tent hospital, from which the USAF then "aerovacs" to the big theater hospital.)
903. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 2:21 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:21
904. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ATTENTION all Wizbang Blog participants...
Poll Time!!!
All those who believe that the Metzger Mega Myth is a figment of fiction say: AYE!!!
Opposed?
----- well, that was a waste!---------
Ayes have it!!
Please, everyone... settle down.. have a seat.
904. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:21 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:21
905. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 2:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
laughing lurker honey (if you are still out there lurking). Silly, of course I KNOW the picture referred to was NOT the one above. You would have to be ignorant or well, stupid, to think ANYONE would assume the pic above, with Jill standing in front of an American flag was the picture taken AFTER her alleged bomb in pocket, trance induced note following story. I, however, was referring to the picture taken AFTER her "story" printed on 9/14/06 of her being greeted by her mother, husband, etc...coming off the plane with her new hair style and color.
So, lovely laughing lurker, please don't insinuate someone might mistakenly THINK the pic above was of Jill AFTER this (cough) abduction.
905. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 2:24 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:24
906. Posted by Sickening | September 20, 2006 2:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't know anything, but what has this woman done to deserve the theories being offered up and gobbled down in this blog?
I'm more farmiliar with the academic blog movement. The "beat the news" bloggers at work here are a completely different breed.
Speculate all you want, but get ahold of yourselves and act like adults. And inventing a theory based off of a few unfavorable accounts of one seeing her "too drunk" does not meet that test. From all accounts, this was a very confident woman that wouldn't scare easily, as in 'pass out' from fear if put into a highly stressful situation.
How about we get another mock intereview or two?
Maybe we can all talk again about how the woman's husband dared to show his face on television to raise awareness. He was willing to endure probing questions about the possible reasons for her disappearance to this end. Bastard.
906. Posted by Sickening | September 20, 2006 2:27 PM |
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907. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 2:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz: Laugh my flipping ars off! You had me laughing so hard I am in tears nearly spewwing on my screen!
Happyyyyyyyyy: Glad to see you back!
AYE AYE AYE AYE AYE
907. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 2:30 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:30
908. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR-------------
Sorry... No... Wing commander or not... Putting that many resources into action for a 'psych' patient, or a media threat... is a no... big NO!
I have personal knowledge - of a certain E6.. AF Type on the phone with 06's telling them where to "get off" because it just wasn't gonna happen.. The JMRO is an office that will tell any 06 (medical officers included) to go take an aspirin... Field Commanders and Medical Officers alike... DON'T TELL JMRO what to do. JMRO tells THEM what will be done. PERIOD!!..
908. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:35 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:35
909. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 2:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL—EPO injection to improve her athletic performance got to love it. She won her races by cheating.
Blood Transfusion gone bad—indicates she lost large volume of blood needing replacement. Typically complications are immediate and sever resulting from Blood type and RH mismatch or anaphylaxis. Although there could be clotting and other problems, however, ability of self mobility on two feet causes me to question this.
Although classification priority for transport is as provided, nothing is reported indicating an aero medical evacuation aircraft was diverted or generated to fly an unscheduled flight. It is just as likely the alert PJs (if any in area) were put on any scheduled or special generated C-13O/C-141 transport sortie to provide as needed medical care, especially if there was driving non-medical reasons to move her.
909. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 2:40 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:40
910. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 2:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening: Why are YOU on this blog? If you don't like what you read, simply don't read - don't even come in here. Again, there are plenty of places to take your anger out on REAL LIFE STUFF - pedophile sites, child pornography sites, serial killer sites, oh my the list goes on and on and on on REAL LIFE STUFF,,,,,stop wasting your time telling bloggers in here how you feel about the comments - they really don't care.
I find you a hypocrit for being in here, offering a theory of your own when you just said our theories sickened you.
Now, here is the FUNNY PART - you just came on here and called her husband a Bastard. I ask you, what has he done and how do you know the facts???? Should we find you sickening for saying something about her husband who did not CAUSE this situation....oh boy, you are very confusing....
910. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 2:41 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:41
911. Posted by Shrink | September 20, 2006 2:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Does anyone know if they took her out of Manas on a regular configured aerovac, or if it was just whatever happened to be nearby/on the ramp at the time?
They took her to Bagram first, right? If it was a life or death emergency or close to it, that would make sense. Otherwise, even to just get her out of there, why not a bird that was headed to Ramstein instead of the opposite direction?
I assume the clinic or whatever at Manas doesn't have even rudimentary surgical facilities.
911. Posted by Shrink | September 20, 2006 2:48 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:48
912. Posted by Happy | September 20, 2006 2:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sicken,
OMG...did you just call Josh a B@stard? A girl was kidnapped and almost sold to mullet-loving gypsies and you retaliate to calling her husband a bastard?
We might be throwing around theories, but I don't remember name calling. We can talk all about that interview if you would like...just keep it clean?
Now seriously, we have discussed Josh's sudden fondness with celebrity status as soon as Jill went missing. (although many comments I heard that morning at the gym was "eeeeww, he is creepy") kinda enforced the runaway bride theory.
Actually, our ORIGINAL theories were due to the fact Josh and parents were interviewed. For them to take a risk would either be DUMB or they KNEW she was fine and were pleading for her to come home.
If you can be nice and add your point of view, please feel free. I am open to the trafficking theory if you can explain: dye on hands, mini-bomb, trance-like state (you already confirmed she was too strong to pass out), cell phone calls, taxi ride and pay phone use.
Oh! And another question - why didn't Lanssica run the marathon?
BTW->your writing style seems oddly familiar.
912. Posted by Happy | September 20, 2006 2:51 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 14:51
913. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening-----------
In order to save you time, and us grief... It's really quite simple..
No one here is trying to "hang the Major". It's more a question of what she "didn't do" that bothers me.
She didn't stick to SOP.. (Standard Operating Proceedures) This kind of stuff gets military people "dead".. if you know what I mean.
She didn't seek help from her 'buddies'.. That too is standard proceedure for military people.
She didn't alert her buddies of a potential threat... which could have gotten them all 'dead'..
In short... she failed to conduct herself as a senior "Field Grade" officer.
Now, I don't know about you... but given the option... I would probably follow an Eagle Scout into battle than our all-American Blue Eyed Beauty Major Metzger.
913. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 2:54 PM |
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914. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 3:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
------------Shrink
I very seriously doubt that there were any A/Es in the air at that time in the vicinity... They probably did as jocha already mentioned... Put her on a C130 or C141 sitting out on the tarmac at Manas... (The medical tent at Ganci is not equipped for that kinda stuff, nor would they have risked 'holding' her there too long for medical reasons)
Once in flight...Bagram medical facilities would have been on the phone with Ganci medical personnel trying to get as much info as possible to help them when she landed. Then they (Bagram) would have put in a call to JMRO giving the diagnosis and a request for AE. The attending would then get on the phone with Landstuhl and get a hold of a physician who would get the down and dirty on her situation. JMRO would then touch base with the AE people and the AE Squadron would either divert a flight already in the area, or set one up to go get her..
914. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 3:09 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 15:09
915. Posted by Sickening | September 20, 2006 3:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I certainly don't have a problem with people pointing out any deviations from SOP. But are you really trying claim both that those points are the dominant idea throughout this thread or that I was speaking to those points?
Happy,
Are you trying to play games with me or can you not understand the tone of my final paragraph? Great, you never called the husband names. So, what? You've done far worse. Most men I know don't really care if you call them names, but start gossiping about their wife and you'll get a less measured response.
How anyone could find the Greta interview creepy is beyond me. The young man came within a split second of breaking down on television. But, I understand your points. He should have been happier. He was on t.v. and all. He could have at least given an Arsenio arm pump or two.
What about my writing style interests you?
To the 'beat the news' crew, stick to cases with more pictures. You guys do a god job at finding the photoshoping.
To Deb. G.: Hopefully, someday you'll embrace forgiveness and let go of the hatred you have for this young woman.
915. Posted by Sickening | September 20, 2006 3:21 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 15:21
916. Posted by happy | September 20, 2006 3:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh Boy, Deb...here we go. Someone else thinks you are scorned.
Must be you are an angry female - why else would you have a mind of your own and not believe the bomb in pocket story?
BTW...thought the "most guys" comment was a bit sexist. Anyone call my boyfriend a bastard I would kick their arse.
916. Posted by happy | September 20, 2006 3:31 PM |
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917. Posted by Gh | September 20, 2006 3:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I got a question, actaully that same one as last night. Would the AF still let her go to Jamaica or would they make her wait until her case has been resolved?
917. Posted by Gh | September 20, 2006 3:31 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 15:31
918. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 3:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
--------Sickening.............
Let me quote myself:
"It's more a question of what she "didn't do" that bothers me."
You see, in the military... a person trains, and when they're finished with the training they train some more, then, they go out and train. TRAINING... is a way of life in the military.. THEY DO IT FOR A REASON!!!!
You seem to forget that you are speaking about a "veteran" soldier.. That means she had at least 10 years of training!!! Either she was not paying attention, or she is intentionally doing something she should not BE DOING!!!
Now, as I said before.. Time and Grief! Your time and our Grief.. I want to spare us both... So, please sit back and enjoy the show... You want fries with that Whopper?
918. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 3:37 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 15:37
919. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 3:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It is unlikely leave would be approved until after the inquiry is complete and if the inquiry reveals need for UCMJ action it is unlikely leave would be approved until that process has been completed.
Also, there was discussion of putting physicians as part of the aeromedical evacuation crews a few years ago, but I’m clueless if this was implemented. If not aeromedical medical personnel consist of one nurse and several enlisted medical technicians.
Patients are required to be medically stable for the flight. Another reason indicating if flight was for medical care an available C-130/C-141 transport was used. Then it would be need to select who would fly the mission and how many physicians, physician assistants, nurse practicianers or IDMTs were available having the qualifications to transport an unstable patient by air.
919. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 3:45 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 15:45
920. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 3:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sick of Sickening:
wahahahahahah!!! You're kiddeing right? Again, you are making no sense and seem dazed and confused. Forgivemess? For what? Why on god's green wonderful earth would I HATE Jill Metzger?? I don't use the word HATE in my vocabulary by the way, and in fact, hate noone - what a shameful thing to think. You are sick of others posting mere speculations, theories and by the way, having fun with it, yet you come on here and accuse, speculate of character and theorize yourself - a hypocrit for sure. YOU, on the other hand have posted to both Happy and I, it seems you have pegged the FEMALES on this board - I'd say that you have some anger inside against females my little little tiny friend.
I hope you enjoy the attention you are getting. Hmmmmmmmmm, yes, Happy is right, your tone does sound vaguely familiar of another poor angry dazed soul who has been in here before....
Now, I wonder why you are still here if you are so sickened - gluten for punishment, insane, crazy.....and NO, I am not name calling, just wondering about your mental awareness of what is going on around you........and as far as Happy goes, she is one of the ONLY females on this blog capable of withstanding dishonorable comments such as yours yet maintains her ability to blog in intelligence offering insight into this game and puzzle of ours....I have a theory that you are JEALOUS....yup, that's my theory....
920. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 3:50 PM |
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921. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 3:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
GH: I would think they would not allow her to go and would also think her husband would not want to go. I have no idea actually. However, to assist her mental health, they might allow her on this vacation before giving a punishment. Just speculation and theory.....If she does go, I can't help but wonder if the media will hound her....
921. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 3:53 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 15:53
922. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 3:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wait!!!! I retract that statment. Geesh, what am I thinking. Allowing her to go to another foreign country with the possibility of claiming to be abducted.....ahh, maybe they will not let her go....
922. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 3:55 PM |
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923. Posted by Deb g. | September 20, 2006 4:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Off the record: Thought you folks would enjoy this, in case you have not seen it already. This is the Judge sentencing the shoe bomber and what he said to him during his sentencing....we need more Judges like this:
"Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other. That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed.
The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.
The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.
Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a
soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. So war talk is way out of line in this court.
You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple
attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were, and he said: "You're no big deal."
You are no big deal. What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?
I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.
It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges. We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.
Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom, and it always will. Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.
923. Posted by Deb g. | September 20, 2006 4:00 PM |
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924. Posted by Deb g. | September 20, 2006 4:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Off the record: Thought you folks would enjoy this, in case you have not seen it already. This is the Judge sentencing the shoe bomber and what he said to him during his sentencing....we need more Judges like this:
"Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other. That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed.
The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.
The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.
Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a
soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. So war talk is way out of line in this court.
You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple
attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were, and he said: "You're no big deal."
You are no big deal. What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?
I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.
It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges. We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.
Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom, and it always will. Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.
924. Posted by Deb g. | September 20, 2006 4:00 PM |
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925. Posted by Sickening and getting bored | September 20, 2006 4:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So nobody has called names or attempted to dishonor? My mistake.
Just for clarification, is it only dishonorable if the person is able to defend herself? Like you.
Are you fully, mentally aware of what is going on around you? That's exactly what I'm trying to get you to think about.
925. Posted by Sickening and getting bored | September 20, 2006 4:03 PM |
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926. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 4:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening: Not sure why you are trying to get ANY of us to think about anything. I am pretty sure we don't care what you think, really, we don't. BTW: I am not defending myself to you, I don't have to defend anything to you, you mean nothing to me. Just blogging back to a blogger gone silly really. You make NO sense at all - none. Do you have any idea what is going on around you, no, I did not think so - NEWSFLASH, nearly the whole world, in some way shape or form is discussing the Jill Metzger story, the military, the media, other countries, civilians, lots of blogs and oh yes, this simple little blog site too.....I offer you a Whopper from Wizbanger - perhaps than you can beat yourself over the head with it and wonder why none of us care what you are trying to get us to think about....
Well folks, I am off to judge a regional cheerleading competition. Yes, the military allows this if it does not "interfere". Great stuff for the kids and military kids as well.....
926. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 4:20 PM |
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927. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 4:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening: One last thing before I go, Jill is not here to defend herself because
SHE IS NOT TALKING...........and there is nothing to defend, we are theorizing and speculating and yes, having some fun.....
927. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 4:23 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 16:23
928. Posted by Maj F and AF | September 20, 2006 5:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Damn! You all are die-hards! However, I am a die-hard with you because I want to know if she gets discharged or an article 15. I apologize to OIG who I personally attacked as an ignoramus. We should attack ideas, not people. You see I had been drinking a little bit of German beer in Stuttgart, and his/her post about us blogging on gov't time just pissed me off.
I give kudos to the mega-die-hards RS, Happy/Happycivilian, Wizbanger and Deb G. who have been here for so long. I am almost in love with Deb G. just because of her persistence. You got to love someone with that much zeal. Keep up the fight Deb G.
Anyway, with the news being so sparse, I figured it was time to give another opinion, although I said I wouldn't after OIG's posts. Wasn't it interesting that OIG continued to post multiple times after chastising others for posting on gov't time? Hey, dude, you are just feeding our obsession! Anyways, take care, I hope there is resolution soon so you fools can stop speculating. I’m a fool with you, though.
As an educated, decorated and stellar officer ;-), I support the abortion theory. However, I had a couple more beers before posting, so who knows what the truth is....out.
928. Posted by Maj F and AF | September 20, 2006 5:24 PM |
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929. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 5:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The AF now has CCAT Teams (Critical Care Air Transport). They include a critical care physician, a respiratory therapist, and a critical care nurse. They sit around in places like Balad, Iraq waiting for critically ill/wounded patients, and then they jump as a team into the transport aircraft and take the ill/wounded casualty to the Big Hospital (in Iraq, it's Landstuhl). They can be mobilized for action in any part of the world, but they would ONLY be mobilized for critically ill patients. I would doubt MAJ Metzger was critically ill if she was able to walk to a farmhouse, then sit down with the Kyrgyz police.
For a non-critically-injured/ill patient, a flight nurse or medic might be the only one or two in attendance. For psych patients, a "companion" is required, and it's usually a non-medical person like a friend or colleague.
What probably happens in Manas: they would have basic ER and surgical capabilities there. They probably have a small in-patient medical ward for things like the flu, pneumonia, infection. They might be able to handle simple operations like appendicitis. They have some Flight Surgeons, some Family Docs, some surgeons, a psychiatrist or psychologist, a dentist, a basic pharmacy, X-Ray. Being a US base in a foreign country, they have to offer basic medical services to the troops. They could certainly THEORETICALLY handle a case of dehydration/assault/intoxication, but in a case like this they WOULD NOT. They would send it out to the Big Hospital because it's too Touchy. If there was any hint of sexual assault or anything like it, they'd want a certified sexual assault nurse/OB-GYN to handle it, and they wouldn't have that at Manas. They probably have psychiatric services at Manas, but would NOT touch this case with a 10-foot-pole there. The experts for this kind of thing, WHATEVER it was, are at Landstuhl. They would have done immediate stabilization (in her case, an IV and some reassurance), and then shipped her out.
There are vanishingly few Urgent Aerovacs out of places like Manas. No one is getting shot over there and most of the troops are healthy. There will be some chest pains among those astonishingly unhealthy 350-lb American contractors that always seem to be at those places, and they may need to go Urgent, but otherwise everything else will just sit around waiting for a few days for the "scheduled bird" which goes to Germany once or twice a week. (My experience in these kinds of locations is that no one even KNOWS HOW TO DO an Urgent Aerovac, it's a boondoggle every time, no one can find the # to Scott AFB, no one has the paperwork, everyone's new and has never done this before, etc).
MAJ Metzger's case would have been handled at the highest levels because of the international publicity. The Commander of the theater (I don't know who that is) probably was involved. She got on a plane ASAP, screw the JMRO, whatever was sitting on the flightline and had gas in it. She may have had a nurse with her, or a Flight Surgeon, and she may have been plugged into an IV or something, but she looked pretty perky in the welcome home pic so she probably wasn't in bad shape.
929. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 5:25 PM |
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930. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening...
I, for one, find it perfectly reasonable - and admirable - that several military officers have taken it upon themselves to stake this lonely blog outpost as the last bastion wherein to uphold the honor of the military as a whole against such disease-ridden slatterns as Major Jill Metzger. I find it completely adorable, and not juvenile or silly in the least, that we call each other to arms (swords and kevlar and all that) to battle any explanation other than one that includes lots of promiscuous adultery, STDs, illegal drugs, and botched abortions.
I have to agree with Deb G, Wizbang, Happy et al that there is plenty of hard, factual evidence that Major Jill Metzger is a total dirty whore, devoid of any love for her newlywed husband and unable to control her overwhelming sexual urges in a Turd World country. I know they've convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt! As they have shown, Major Metzger has proven to be an idiot who is 33 years old but knows nothing about birth control, and therefore found herself in the unenviable position of an unwanted pregnancy.
It makes perfect sense - as long as we all agree that Major Jill Metzger is without any redeeming qualities as a human being, woman, and military officer. And since we all do overwhelmingly agree as such - YOU are most unwelcome sir - trying to prick our consciences that such theorizing might be out of line. Fuck off and die. You can't come here and spoil our fun. What we do and say here is perfectly legit and does no one any harm. And if it hurts Major Jill Metzger or her family - who the fuck cares anyway - she's just a disease-ridden whore who has embarressed our entire nation. We have no desire to protect the reputation of an Air Force officer who is PROVEN, mind you, to be a total slut.
In fact, it is our duty to make sure that anyone who Googles Major Jill Metzger's name comes across this blog and reads everything we have written about her. You'll notice that this blog comes up on the first page of Google - that is a total TRIUMPH!! Everyone who wants to know anything about Metzger will be treated to our theories. We have pounded them home and they will REMAIN prominent in the current and future dialogue anyone will ever have about Jill Metzger. We have made sure of that - and we're damn proud of it. She does not deserve the least bit of respect - as we intrepid and fearless bloggers here at Wizbang all agree - the ones that we didn't run off anyway. In fact, we'll make damn sure her new profile at Wikipedia contains all the facts we have established herein - after all, she is a proven whore, and
all public references to her ought to reflect that
.We have made sure that any and all should know of Major Jill Metzger's whoredom. We have made sure her husband and family will read it if they ever look her up in Google - and we've managed to bash any and all of her friends here. They are probably sluts and drug addicts too - not worthy of being on this blog with us. Because, as you can plainly see, we are far better than Major Metzger - in all ways. She can't hold a candle to us, and it's our duty as military officers to make sure she knows it. We, sir, are doing nothing wrong. What we are doing is right and honorable - there is NO TAINT of gossip or slander here - NONE! - and if you say so, then you are flat WRONG and can go to hell!!!!!
So, Sickening, you make ME sick - you with your claims to reason. We don't care to be reasonable anymore. You are insane - CRAZY - as Deb G. so patiently pointed out. In fact, ANYONE who doesn't agree with us is flat out CRAZY and needs to go preach to the pedophiles.
We don't need your sanctimonious bullshit. I agree with Deb G and VR and especially that hilarious Wizbang Poster who makes me spew soda on my computer every day with his harmless hilarity!! You're nothing but a damn hypocrite. We are having fun shredding and sullying whatever is left of Metzger's paltry reputation. You have no right to intervene in that. You can't make us stop our fun. We're not hurting anything on this BLOG. No way. Just because everyone in the world can read it - that makes the challenge all the more FUN! Fun, fun, fun - that's what it is all about. We can say what we want - it's a free country. And since we're not saying it on government time, as someone stupidly pointed out, it's perfectly alright. The taxpayers should reward us for our vigilance in this matter!! I think a combat pay bonus will do nicely.
We want to make sure that forever and always Jill Metzger's name is totally and irrevocably attached to the facts (infidelity, drugs, STDs, and abortions) we have discussed here on this blog in great, sickening detail. We will leave no stone unturned. We categorically deny any explanatioon forthcoming that in any way exonerate's Jill Metzger - and we will publicly announce that anyone who does not agree with our scenarios is a BIG FAT LIAR! (Take that, 'more gossip'! We don't need no stinkin' alternative explanation from someone who was there!) And that goes for her chain of command. Because we know that they will just brush any hint of impropriety under the rug. Liars, all.
No. We will write letters and continue our campaign. We will expose all the spordid details to the light. This is our moral obligation as military officers, and one we do not take lightly.
Jill Metzger is a total slut - we have proven it over and over - and she will pay. It's the least we can do.
You cannot withstand our logical debate. We are morally and intellectually superior to you! Why, you don't even deserve to make comments on this blog in our presence. BEGONE!
Stupid hypocrite crazy moron. You can grovel and say "thank you for your service" and kiss our ass on your way out the door. And don't come back!
930. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:32 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:32
931. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 5:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cpt. WizBANG,
Stand down. You are going over the edge.
931. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 5:38 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:38
932. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
MAJ F, I am totally with you, man. I think I am totally in love with Deb G, too. I would say Happy, too - but she's taken already and seems to be happy with her boyfriend. Dang it all.
Good women of sterling character. I bet they are babes, too. I can just tell by their confidence. And confident women are the sexiest. I thought I was going to pop at all that foxhole talk!
But aside from her sexiness, Deb's mind is top-notch. Obviously so, right? Because no one - not one person - has been able to get around Deb G's iron-clad logic. She reigns supreme on this BLOG.
Now, sir, I understand you outrank me, so I will nurse my crush on Deb G from afar. :D
932. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:41 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:41
933. Posted by OIG | September 20, 2006 5:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cpt WizBang: It's one thing to throw out a theory or to put your your ideas.....you're going too far though. I really hope the "Cpt" in front of your name is just you way of being part of the group and that you're really not an officer. If so that's more saddening still.
933. Posted by OIG | September 20, 2006 5:45 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:45
934. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 5:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Intruiging. You have an intellect far superior to mine.
934. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 5:46 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:46
935. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What in the world? How have I gone too far? I haven't said anything that hasn't already been said! Man...
935. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:48 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:48
936. Posted by OIG | September 20, 2006 5:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Maj F: I think that was as close to a "by bad" as I'm going to get so....."thanks".
I'm not on gov't time. Not in the military any longer. My hats off to those of you that are still serving honorably though.
BTW, it's octoberfest over there right? Why aren't you in a drunken stupor somewhere?!?!
936. Posted by OIG | September 20, 2006 5:49 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:49
937. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Besides, I'll bet Sickening won't ever come back - heheh - and that's what we want, right?
937. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:50 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:50
938. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 5:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cpt. WizBANG = Captcorajus
Glad to see you've been following this blog so closely! Seeing that you find it so reprehensible, and all...
938. Posted by VR | September 20, 2006 5:51 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:51
939. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
pffft. I had to scroll all the way back up to even see who Captcorajus was. I know I read that name, but this thread is so damn huge now, I couldn't find it.
Same rank, but NOT the same viewpoint - definitely NOT the same guy. I thought it was hi-time someone told Sickening to get off his high horse. And with Deb having to leave and all, I stepped into the fray. I won't let someone run her down when she's not here to defend herself!!
939. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 5:57 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:57
940. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 5:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG, no problem, man. I wasn't on gov't time, so I took it personally, but no harm done...maybe you affected those that were.
I am working 10-12 hour days at a major European Command HQ, so I don't have time for a lot of partying down in Munich. I'll have a couple beers at the local restraunt, but no partying for this hard working American.
Most people are here simply to learn what really happened after worrying about a fellow Airman. People post theories and others cut them down. What remains is likely closer to the truth than we'll get through other means. Yes, no? Let us know what you really feel Cpt WizBANG or did you already expend your poetic poignant nonsense?
940. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 5:59 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 17:59
941. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 6:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG, no problem, man. I wasn't on gov't time, so I took it personally, but no harm done...maybe you affected those that were.
I am working 10-12 hour days at a major European Command HQ, so I don't have time for a lot of partying down in Munich. I'll have a couple beers at the local restraunt, but no partying for this hard working American.
Most people are here simply to learn what really happened after worrying about a fellow Airman. People post theories and others cut them down. What remains is likely closer to the truth than we'll get through other means. Yes, no? Let us know what you really feel Cpt WizBANG or did you already expend your poetic poignant nonsense?
941. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 6:00 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:00
942. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Poignant? Noooo...just zeal.
How come it's cute in Deb, but when a man does it you try and pull rank and tell me to stand down? Ohhh, I get it - you don't want the competition! *wink* Alright, I get it. No prob.
Like I said, I haven't said anything at all that hasn't already been said many times over. If it was a little much to see it all in one place like that, then I do apologize. But no harm done, right?
942. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:06 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:06
943. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 6:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It may not be what you are saying, but why you are saying it. Again, your are much smarter than me, so I'll let it go at that. I'm not pulling any rank in a blog...rank is meaningless here.
943. Posted by Maj F | September 20, 2006 6:11 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:11
944. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 6:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cpt. WizBANG-----------
Josh.... IS THAT YOU??? Man you had me worried there for a second.. How's Jill doing? We haven't heard a word.. Honest!!
Hell, this call for another POLL!!!
944. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 6:26 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:26
945. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WHY am I saying it? Because it's all true. Besides, Maj F, as Deb G has so astutely pointed out numerous times before, it does not matter what OUR motivations are - only Jill's. After all, she is the one who has created an international incident - not us. We're all here just having fun with it, remember. We're harming no one (Jill doesn't count, since she deserves it), and we're actually performing a public service besides. If Deb were here, she'd say the same thing.
It's a thankless job, but someone has got to do it. Good news, though - the silver lining is that we are all making great friends here - the kind we can totally count on when the chips are down.
945. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:29 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:29
946. Posted by lurker | September 20, 2006 6:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cpt WizBANG -- you slay me! Keep it up... sooner or later they will catch on.
946. Posted by lurker | September 20, 2006 6:32 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:32
947. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbang Poster - ROFLMAO. OMG, you totally had me spewing on my keyboard. You are the absolute funniest! *wiping tears*
Seriously. I can hardly stand it! I wish Deb were here - she'd be cracking up!
lurker: I have no idea what you're talking about. You make no sense. Why don't you take your postings off this blog and go somewhere else? You're not part of this group.
947. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:39 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:39
948. Posted by Shrink | September 20, 2006 6:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening--
Because it's human nature to try and figure out that which does not make any sense based on one's experience.
Most of the people here have some awareness of the SOP of the AF. NOTHING in Major Jill's case fits the common mold.
Oh, except for them no longer letting anyone go off base at Manas. That makes perfect sense in the AF world. One guy didn't get a haircut, so everyone gets their head shaved.
LMAO when I read the 'lots of fancy jewelry' quote. And they left her wedding set on? Pull the other one. Engagement ring was probably the most expensive piece. And WHY in the h*ll would she take a bunch of expensive jewelry with her in the first place?
Even my AFRES LtCol airline captain buddies take off the Rolex or Breitling and wear a Casio or "copy watch" from Itaewon when they do an AF trip to the 'finer places.'
948. Posted by Shrink | September 20, 2006 6:41 PM |
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Posted on September 20, 2006 18:41
949. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 6:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"the ones that we didn't run off anyway. In fact, we'll make damn sure her new profile at Wikipedia contains all the facts we have established herein "
Speculated, presumed, and assumed--yes, establish accuracy, completeness, and truth of what happened--no.
The accounts published in the newspapers reveal nothing for me to believe or to give benefit of doubt it was abduction by terrorists or criminals. The accounts published in the newspapers reveal nothing for me to believe or to give benefit of the doubt she overpowered one or more persons and not knowing where she was or going to travel on foot in a disoriented medical state considerable distance to knock on the door of strangers for assistance. However, there is sufficient possibility reports given in the newspaper were inaccurate.
But she is alive and in a place to answer the questions needing answers.
949. Posted by johca | September 20, 2006 6:46 PM |
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950. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OK, guys, I've got to run for now. I'll be back later - and hopefully Deb will be back later tonight, too. It's really weird, ins't it, this obsession! LOL
All weary warriors must rest - but we'll be back in the fight soon enough. Never fear!
950. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 20, 2006 6:49 PM |
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951. Posted by Happy | September 20, 2006 9:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow...I come back from after work margarita's to see if we had any more philosophical banter from sickening that I could ponder tonight in the hopes of making me a more ethical blogger. Imagine my delight (alcohol induced, but still) when I read the post from our new friend, Cpt. Wizbang! How eloquently and respectfully you defended our little blog community to sickenings harsh accusations. Thank you, sir….(taking a bow)
This truly is an obsession and I will admit in the beginning it was mere karmic appreciation and personal pleasure on my part. However, now I find myself enjoying reading everyone’s theories based upon their own professional, military and personal experiences related to this case. A lot like reading a VERY long mystery in which we really do not care about the main character. Lets face it, we wouldn’t be going around and around if any of Jill’s statements or the occurrences of her disappearance seemed at all legitimate. Human nature…the same natural curiosity that makes me buy an US WEEKLY every week to find any intimate detail of Tom and Katie or Nicole Richie’s anorexia. We love celebrities, especially when they mess up - and self-made celebrities are a special treat! However, due to our experiences that MAKE us obsessed in this case (most military), we know what impact Jill’s actions could have on our Armed Forces and International affairs. Therefore, Sickening, we are a bit passionate and might take offense to people taking offense to our obsession. Was that clear, or should I not post after margarita night again? Okay – need to pay attention to the boy. I will catch you all tomorrow (during my lunch break – civilian computer).
951. Posted by Happy | September 20, 2006 9:43 PM |
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952. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 10:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
CAPT Wizbang
(I know it's you Josh.. you can come out now)
Must say... quite a show. You may just pull this one off. But, I tellin' ya'...
IT's time to start and it's gotta start somewhere. Otherwise, it will be the same story, different face - different place - down the road. The internet is about to change the way we do business in the field of JUSTICE.. I'll leave the mercy part up to the Judge. Ultimately, he's the one who will have to live with it.
This is a kind way of 'Putting people on Notice', I suppose. Imagine yourself being exposed to the whole world!! Kinda scary isn't it? Don't want it? Then for crying out loud.. THINK about what you do! And no, I don't exclude myself... That's just the way it is.
This is WizBanger Poster, signing off.. over and out!
952. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 10:18 PM |
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953. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Laugh my flipping flopping funny ARS OFF!!! You guys are too funny! I think I am in love with all of you.
Maj F. and Capt. Wiz: What a delight to come back to two men wooing me (did I spell that right). Well, I am not taken, at all. Work too much, golf, waterski, dive, take care of a house way too big for me and so on (sounds like a dating service).....so, I give you permission to fall in love with me - good - that is done.
Wiz: Was AWESOME to see you defend me in my absence, heck, defend all of us. Glad your in my foxhole - I know my life is safe....I was laughing silly reading your blogs - literally wiping tears....I love it! Your long explanative post did not offend me anyway. I think it is great that you expressed your feelings, you're allowed! Truth speaks volumes.....even more courageous to stand by it...
Happy: Happy to have you on THE TEAM
Everyone else: I have to admit, I came onto this blog out of curiosity. Ended up staying because I started to enjoy the folks on here and the witty banter and speculations. I have become addicted to this blog! I don't do chat rooms or anything else like this (well, other than following my racehorses via a racehorse people site, that is it!) So, this has been a great experience and I look forward to the continuation of coming here to read speculations, theories and viewpoints of various intelligence levels. Awesome actually.
Up with the kevlar when needed, always watch your back and the back of your comrades and life can be pretty good. Strange, a fellow judge tonight was questioned by a coach regarding a scoring call - well, I chanted in and defended the judge with some comments of my own and stating I witnessed her same call. Well, I had not witnessed it. The other judge looked at me when the coach left and said "thanks for covering my back". Would you believe I thought of our Wizbanger site!!! So, thanks for covering MY back guys/gals in my absence....Gosh, I need you folks at Bragg....
953. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:22 PM |
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954. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wiz, you can't leave me now!
:-(
954. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:24 PM |
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955. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 10:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oppps...
Almost forgot ... you want fries with dat Whopper?
955. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 20, 2006 10:25 PM |
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956. Posted by Intrigued | September 20, 2006 10:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ: I recognized Paul S's name immediately. I was on duty that night as SOUTHCOM's SAR Officer. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking it was over a weekend...like a Saturday night...they were flying at night. I didn't really know your friend very well, but he was out and about and I talked to him plenty on the phone about PR stuff in theater. If it means anything, I cried for your friend.
I don't have any more Jill theories... I just keep checking back in case you guys hear something new.
956. Posted by Intrigued | September 20, 2006 10:30 PM |
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957. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dag nabbit! foiled....
Ah well, seems everyone has left. I hope everyone is tucked in cozy and has sweet dreams and tomorrow we can brainstorm again.....everyday is one day closer to finding out some truth in this puzzle!
957. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:30 PM |
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958. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Maj F. and Cpt. Wizbang: You guys single? I just can't pass a blog of two men falling in love with me!!! :-) hmmmmmmmm, new story:
WIZBANGER BLOG BRINGS LOVE TO MILITARY PERSONNEL: Although no sign of the truth regarding Maj Jill Metzger's sudden disappearance from the Tsum and alleged kidnapping, a connection of military comradiere has been made from a site of bloggers attempting to put together the mysterious puzzle of what really did happen to Maj Jill Metzger. You see, love is blind has become a reality to a group of people whom have become obsessed and addicted speculating and theorizing on Maj. Metzger's disappearance. Although eyes have never been met and a physical appearance has never been made, love has been found.....continues on page 88
958. Posted by Deb G. | September 20, 2006 10:58 PM |
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959. Posted by VR | September 21, 2006 12:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
CPT WizBANG has made his point well. I think we've thoroughly plumbed the depths of depravity with our theories and it's getting tiresome.
Let's step back a minute and look at our puzzle. What do we know FOR CERTAIN?
1. MAJ Metzger went shopping with a group from the base, separated from them, and disappeared for a few days. (We know this because the AF confirmed it.)
2. MAJ Metzger reappeared with some trauma on her body, and with her hair dyed and cut. (We can see evidence of bruising and a hair cut on her welcome home photo.)
3. MAJ Metzger was interviewed by the Kyrgyrz police. She was then taken back by the USAF to the base, stabilized, and was quickly sent out to Landstuhl.
4. She stayed at Landstuhl a few days. She released a brief statement asking for privacy for mental and physical healing.
5. She returned to Moody AFB. The Air Force is not calling her disappearance an abduction in its press releases.
That's IT. Everything else we've heard is suspect. We are building our depravity puzzle around the biggest, juiciest, most tantalizing piece: The Bomb-in-Pocket Story. Consider, for a moment, just for fun, that The Story never happened. It was a misunderstanding on the part of the Kyrgyz police, or it was made up by the Kyrgyz press, whatever. MAJ Metzger never said it or never intended it. What now? If that big piece is gone, everything falls apart. There's no reason to suspect she was hiding anything, doing something "bad". If there's no Story, there's every reason to believe something bad really did happen to her, and she may have been doing something as innocent as walking outside the shopping mall for fresh air. (Yes, yes, she "separated from the group" but big deal.)
What do we know about Jill Metzger? We have heard stories about her "reputation". I think Happy's story is probably true, it sounds like it, but we all know there is ALWAYS another side to those kinds of situations. We conclude, though, from other comments also that she slept around some when she was single and drank alcohol. I didn't hear anyone say she slept with a married man or broke up a marriage. I didn't hear anyone say she showed up at work drunk or had a string of DUIs.
No one on this board has EVER said anything bad about her abilities as an AF officer. In fact, before they got scared of posting, people at the beginning said she is a "model officer". She got herself promoted to Major, so she must have something going for her in the professional realm. Her dad is an AF officer too, and glowed with pride in the interview when asked what was special about Jill. "Well, she's Air Force!" he said. We are left with the impression that she was a good officer from a very pro-AF family, she took her job seriously and did it well. We know that she's a great marathoner, "she can run 26 miles in 3 hours", so we credit her with amazing stamina and determination.
We can make some of the depravity theories fit the puzzle, but only if we pound them in around The Story. And then stepping back, the puzzle just doesn't look right. For example, in the abortion theory we'd have to postulate too many odd things about MAJ Metzger to make it fit: 1.)she got pregnant when she didn't want to be 2.) she decided to abort in a foreign country with sub-US medical facilities 3.) she intentionally went AWOL to do it 4.) she lied to cover herself. That's 4 seemingly out-of-character suppositions. Too many.
I still don't have the faintest clue what happened. One of the depraved stories may turn out to be true. But I think we should step back and consider what we know to be factual, and it isn't much. Think over what we know WITHOUT the influence of The Bomb Story, and it looks very different.
959. Posted by VR | September 21, 2006 12:16 AM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 00:16
960. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 12:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
But Cloack & Dagger games cannot be dissmissed. What if, Jill's case was a red herring to cover up alltogether different story, just to avert an attention?
These kind of things did happen in the past in Kyrgyzstan.
Few years back, US spy Edmond Pope was arrested in Kyrgyzstan by Russian FSB for trying to get details on new Russian secret lightining fast SKVAL (sqall) torpedos. Those torpedos are tested in Kyrgyzstan. (Kyrgyztan used to be traditional torpedo manufacturer for Soviet Military Complex during Soviet Times, these military ties with Russia seem to be reviving again for the first time since the break-up of the USSR. Russians are interested in investing to former Soviet Military plants in Kyrgyzstan. Some of the factories already started functioning.)
http://www.listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?A2=ind0101&L=cloaks-and-daggers&T=0&P=193
Lightning Stab
The Pope case centers on the Squall, a fearsome weapon that has fascinated
western military officials for years. It screams
through the water at up to 300 mph, five times the speed of other torpedoes.
One Russian submarine designer, resorting to
braggadocio in an essay, compared a Squall attack to "the lightning stab of
a dagger."
Unique in maritime history, the 27-foot-long torpedo can go so fast because
at top speed its oddly shaped nose creates a
vapor bubble around its entire length. Water does not touch its metal skin,
so drag is dramatically reduced.
Hoping to reverse-engineer the torpedo to learn how to defend against it,
the Pentagon and its allies have tried for years to
lay hands on the Squall. Some British arms experts were deported from Russia
several years ago after asking questions
about it.
At his trial, Pope's lawyers hammered on the point that one version, the
Squall-E, has been described in books and
magazines, and has even been marketed at defense expositions. But despite
attempts by various governments to buy it, only
one deal is known to have been consummated: China bought as many as 40
Squalls in the mid-1990s.
960. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 12:41 AM |
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961. Posted by TurboMan | September 21, 2006 12:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Geez! Things are quiet in here...
But there's another bar around the corner and it aint crowded. Here is the address for all who want to go for a Metzger chat.
Its called the asiapages---interesting to post and some of the good guys are there and we can tell the good side of Jill.
http://asiapages.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/some-thoughts-on-the-jill-metzger-abduction/
961. Posted by TurboMan | September 21, 2006 12:46 AM |
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962. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 12:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And there were other unsuccessful attempts to lay a hand on that Russian torpedo in Kyrgyzstan by US intelligence. I'd imagine that now Russian FSB and Kyrgyz SNB at high alert with Jill's case.
АМЕРИКАНЦЫ УПУСТИЛИ РУССКУЮ ТОРПЕДУ
Вчера российские контрразведчики объявили о том, что они пресекли деятельность оперативных работников ЦРУ Дэвида Робертсона и Юнджи Кенсинджер, работавшей в должности 3-го секретаря консульского отдела американского посольства в Москве. Американцы, как считают в ФСБ, активно интересовались российской торпедой "Шквал". Это уже второй провал американской разведки при попытке получить данные о самой скоростной подводной ракете в мире.
Противолодочный комплекс ВА-111 "Шквал" с ракетой М-5, разработанный в НИИ-24 (в настоящее время ГНПО "Регион"), был принят на вооружение ВМФ СССР в 1977 году. В начале 90-х годов по договоренности президентов СССР и США о предотвращении вооруженных инцидентов на море все "Шквалы" были сняты с советских многоцелевых подлодок и складированы в арсеналах. В конце 90-х годов на базе "Шквала" создана противолодочная скоростная подводная ракета с эффективной дальностью 7 км и маршевой скоростью до 100 м в секунду. Также разработан экспортный вариант, получивший название "Шквал-Е".
Дэвид Робертсон привлек внимание российской контрразведки в конце прошлого года, когда американцы, проводившие боевые действия в Афганистане, перебросили часть войск в Киргизию. Там на одной из бывших военных баз СССР в составе группы аэродромного обеспечения и был замечен агент Робертсон.
По словам представителей ФСБ, он вступил в контакт с офицером в чине подполковника (его имя не разглашается), работавшим в испытательном центре вооружений ВМФ Минобороны РФ, расположенном на озере Иссык-Куль. На акватории этого озера и проводились испытания "Шквала".
Контакты продолжились в Москве, куда вскоре был откомандирован старший офицер. Здесь с ним стала работать 3-й секретарь консульского отдела посольства США, также сотрудница ЦРУ, Юнджи Кенсинджер. По словам чекистов, американка тщательно оберегала своего агента, используя для контактов с ним тайники и зашифрованные почтовые отправления. Представители ФСБ утверждают, что на офицера шпионы воздействовали и с помощью психотропных препаратов, причем перебарщивали с дозировкой.
В ФСБ говорят, что офицер сам рассказал контрразведке о своих контактах с американцами. И заговор был раскрыт на самой ранней стадии. Предъявлять какие-либо претензии госпоже Кенсинджер, обладающей дипломатическим иммунитетом, контрразведчики не стали. 8 апреля она вылетела на родину, хотя до окончания ее командировки оставалось еще достаточно много времени. Господину Робертсону, который находится в Киргизии, также удалось избежать проблем с ФСБ.
Подробности этого дела в ФСБ рассказывать вчера не стали, отметив лишь, что вмешательство контрразведки предотвратило "нанесение серьезного ущерба безопасности России". Посольство США от комментариев вообще отказалось.
Это уже вторая попытка американских спецслужб получить доступ к секретам "Шквала". Год назад за это был осужден на 20 лет, а потом помилован агент ЦРУ Эдмонд Поуп. Другой фигурант того дела, профессор МГТУ имени Баумана Анатолий Бабкин, ждет суда.
Адвокат господина Бабкина Андрей Андрусенко, узнав от корреспондента Ъ о новом шпионском скандале, связанном со "Шквалом", только удивился: "Какая это гостайна, если ГНПО "Регион" официально предлагает свое изделие к продаже?"
Сергей ТОПОЛЬ, Иван САФРОНОВ
962. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 12:52 AM |
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963. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 1:37 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And more bizarre stuff:
Local Delo newspaper reports that journalist from Kyrgyz TV station tried to get an interview from Jill Metzger on the day her reappearance.
Journalist's videocamera was smashed by US military personnell with them shouting "No press!!!" Very weird stuff begins from here...
Lies, lies and another bunch of lies. As English proverb says "Devil is hidden in details." And all the Western media crying foul about terrorists in Kyrgyzstan... Robbing necklaces, and stealing brides, shaving hairs off in the broad daylight...
As Chinese proverb says "It is not important what has been told, it is important what has not been told."
Very bizarre story... Just much more to it than it seems...
963. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 1:37 AM |
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964. Posted by johca | September 21, 2006 2:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
“I still don't have the faintest clue what happened.” I don’t either.
“But I think we should step back and consider what we know to be factual, and it isn't much.” I agree 100%
“Think over what we know WITHOUT the influence of The Bomb Story, and it looks very different.” OK lets.
An active duty Air Force Major consider to be the best of the best with 12 years of active duty service has an unauthorized absence that cause intense and extensive search for action and activities within hours of her disappearance.
The Major is located three days later in unexplained situation of alteration of physical appearance, having signs of trauma, and less than fully coherent mental state.
She is flown out of Kyrgyzstan within hours of being found and initial press reports provide a tale of abduction, escape, and evasion that if true was of such heroic accomplishment the Major would deserve significant heroism recognition. However, many military members find the tale of abduction and escape unreasonable and ridiculous.
Ten days later the Air Force has provided no official new release confirming or denying the tale other than tale is questionable and an inquiry is being conducted.
A practice of absolute and complete absence of official and unofficial news release is implemented in a manner very seldom seen in any scandal, wrong doing, or event in recent military history.
The Air Force has yet to confirm or deny the Major was duped, coerced, or forced to cooperate in being abducted.
The Air Force has yet to confirm or deny the Major was a participant in her abduction or acted alone.
The Air Force has yet to confirm or deny her hair was dyed and shaved.
The Air Force has yet to confirm or deny if she was drugged when found.
The Air Force has yet to confirm or deny blood on her feet.
I agree with Chinese proverb—“As Chinese proverb says "It is not important what has been told, it is important what has not been told." Or more to the point, non-disclosure can become deceit when others are due correct information and the not providing it is a deliberate plan to fool others into thinking one way rather than another.
Regarding any claim of being an espionage agent for the getting of and transport of a torpedo, I don’t care how much sex she had, that torpedo was too big of a “BOB” for her to handle.
964. Posted by johca | September 21, 2006 2:26 AM |
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965. Posted by ikj | September 21, 2006 4:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
All the usual aerovac considerations would fly out the window in this case because of the publicity it had generated or would be expected to generate. Her quick evacuation is the result of the Manas Wing Commander getting on the phone and saying "I want this Major on a plane to Landstuhl. NOW." Plane appears, paperwork happens after the fact. I doubt JRMO even got involved at the beginning.
"Medevac" is a term the Army uses.
"Aerovac" is AF language.
(They mean basically the same thing. Usually the Army is "medevac-ing" by chopper to a tent hospital, from which the USAF then "aerovacs" to the big theater hospital.)
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VR- Wiz
Wiz, I usually agree with you but there are a few points to clarify here. JRMO owns nothing, they can't divert anything...that authority belongs to the TACC (at least when you are talking about T-tails). Yes, it is very possible and likely that Jill was whisked away with or without injury due to the political environment that was developing over there... it might have been done under to provision of airevac. I don't want to discuss the details too deeply (this isn't an appropriate forum to discuss operations in detail) but there is regular C-17 flow to Germany from Man-ass. Most of our airevacs are NOT airevac missions but rather, opportune evacuations. AE crews are in theater and remember... she didn't go direct. She went to Bagram for a day first. In this case, the wing commander sure as hell has some pull to get her out... especially if we've got resources going that way already. If her health was really bad, she could have gone direct. She was whisked out (I believe) because of the sensitivity of the situation.
965. Posted by ikj | September 21, 2006 4:22 AM |
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966. Posted by IKJ | September 21, 2006 6:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Intrigued: I certainly cried too... thanks.
966. Posted by IKJ | September 21, 2006 6:12 AM |
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967. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 7:21 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Was hoping to come on this morning and find some type of new detail - NOTHING. Dang. Given all we have speculated and what we do have from the initial military rep. relaying abduction (I find it hard to believe they would say that if something was being covered and I also feel that ANYTHING covert of sensitive would not have left ANY story at all from Maj Metzger - none, she would have been advised to say NOTHING), so, I will have to keep my little abortion theory going. Blood on feet, yes can happen following abortion along with mental confusion from drugs they give you before, during and after and it would be reason for a large scale story on her part to protect her career, marriage and character. NO, I don't know if any of what "they" claim to say Jill said is true, but I am only theorizing here, piecing a puzzle. I also feel that if she had a perforated uterus, they would whisk her away immediately for medical attention as well as want her out of the country to avoid questioning by Kryg and embassy officials. A protection they most likely would honor to her given her rank, years of service, etc....When Jessica Lynch was rescued they took her away immediately as well. Perhaps the AF sincerely knew nothing and was only following Jill's words that she was kidnapped and they wanted to get her out of the area for her own protection and the protection of the AF.....
Regardless, I look forward to more theories.....
967. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 7:21 AM |
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968. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 7:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Here is why I am pulling for the abortion theory and wanted to share this:
Media QUOTED family who found her, the family she knocked on the door of. They specifically stated: "SHE HAD BLOOD ON HER FEET" and they thought it was strange that she had blood on her feet. Now, I have thought about this - if someone had cut their feet from walking or running, normally, you would hear someone say "Her feet were bloody" or "Her feet were bloody and scrapped up or scratched up" Those two statements:
Her feet were bloody and
She had blood on her feet
mean two different things to me. The first would show being cut up from running, the second could very well be from bleeding (vaginally) due to a botched abortion and blood dripping onto her feet "ON HER FEET".....the statement by those folks when I first heard it made me think blood had dripped onto her feet, on top of, but not on the bottom of.....I also could not help but think that if she had escaped from somewhere, she would have gone to the first house in the area for help and not had to run or walk a far distance causing bloody feet. I myself (and there must be others in here) have walked some long distances in a beach setting or on the boarder of that setting (on concrete) without ever having them become bloody....Again, I know this could all be hearsay, however, these people were quoted and the I feel there is a difference between blood on feet and her feet were bloody......ok, I could be strecthing and we don't even know if that quote is true, but there is not much to go by....and the AF and Jill are not talking, which to me, shows something terrible was done - an abortion is something terrible and most certainly would be covered due to many many reasons....
968. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 7:46 AM |
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969. Posted by OIG | September 21, 2006 7:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm sure that for the family having Jill show up at the house would have been a shocking event. It's possible that they didn't necessarily "see" blood on her feet at the time, but did see that she tracked blood through their house when she came inside. That would be an easy thing to pickup after the fact.
Also, if she was wearing clothes to big it's possible that she was wearing pants that would have most likely covered the "tops" of her feet near the ankle were vaginal bleeding would be most evident. It likely wouldn't be down by her toes.
969. Posted by OIG | September 21, 2006 7:55 AM |
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970. Posted by VR | September 21, 2006 8:11 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Also, let's remember the people in the farmhouse WERE SPEAKING RUSSIAN. Whatever they said was translated. Blood on feet, blood on bottoms of feet, feet scraped up would all come out about the same depending on the translator. If she had enough vaginal bleeding to get blood on her feet, she was bleeding like STINK and her clothes would have been soaked. Seems like they would have mentioned blood on clothes.
970. Posted by VR | September 21, 2006 8:11 AM |
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971. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 8:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG & VR: Not sure if you two are guys or gals, however, you don't have to bleed like stink and have soaked clothes to have blood on your feet. Ok, without getting overly graphic, women who have heavy periods and have clothes on can sometimes DRIP blood onto their feet, even with pads on if they slide - just the way it is. You don't have to bleed heavy onto clothes and be soaked. How do we know blood was on her toes???? How do we know she had pants on? Perhaps a large burka type of dress or covering. Even with pants on though, you can still drip blood onto your feet if bleeding heavy vaginally without soaking your clothes. Just what can happen.....Believe me, the stories I could tell of women dripping from just monthly periods nevermind an abortion gone bad (which would create more heavier bleeding)....
971. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 8:22 AM |
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972. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 8:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
All I can say is: When I first heard the first reports that she was found and that couple said "there was blood on her feet" and then hearing the bomb in pocket, note info. - and not believing ANY of that part - my VERY FIRST thought was "this girl's had an abortion and is desperately trying to make it look like a kidnapping"......
Sorry to say and this is the reaon I immediately thought abortion: Had a friend many years ago who had an abortion, three of us went. It was terrible and I still think of it today. We drove all the way to New York into a seedy type of building to have this done. They gave her valium - that was it - before the procedure. Then, a shot after to prevent infection and some pills to take on the way home. I sat in the backseat with her on the way home. She was bleeding pretty badly, she had sweatpants on. She had blood dripping down her leg, most likely from being dazed from the valium and the pad was not sitting appropriately. Her clothes were NOT soaked, at all. She was completely dazed and disoriented and in PAIN. It was a Friday morning and we told our parents we were going to the beach for the day. Well, we had to call them and say we were staying the weekend and kept her in a hotel room for yes, 3 days, before she felt well enough to face her parents again! They had given her pills (antibiotics) and a nausea medication. So, I was not going to relay this story, but that is why I thought of abortion. Nothing was botched, but an abortion, from my experience here, does not just take an in and out and you are done. A few days is needed to recover even under normal circumstances. And they told her not to do any physical activity for one week....
972. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 8:34 AM |
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973. Posted by Deb G, | September 21, 2006 8:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
For the record: They also told her to bring a change of clothing, comfortable and baggy.
973. Posted by Deb G, | September 21, 2006 8:35 AM |
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974. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lastly: The girl I am telling you about was our Class President. She was a cheerleader, popular, intelligent, very well respected family, very GOOD girl with a serious boyfriend. We all were the "good girls". We drove all the way to NY because she did NOT need parental consent there, so we went to all lengths to drive the distance and come up with the beach story. NOONE to this day ever knew what happened. We made a pact to take to our grave. So, the point is: Good people and people with integrity and coming from respectable families do have abortions and will go to great lengths to hide it as it is morally degrading really and something you do NOT want anyone to know. Thus, the AF/military most likely would respect at least that and NEVER say it was an abortion. Plus, the folks at any clinic in Kryg. would be under Confidentiality laws and rules and would not speak to the media/public about it....
974. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:09 AM |
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975. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
hmmmmmm, I'm blogging to myself today.....
975. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:17 AM |
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976. Posted by VR | September 21, 2006 9:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No, we're listening. Enough about vaginal bleeding, it's nauseating. I think I'll check out the other blog.
976. Posted by VR | September 21, 2006 9:27 AM |
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977. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:28 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G.: Great theories and I think you have some good points, but I don't think anyone is listening to you today....
How about them Red Sox!!
977. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:28 AM |
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978. Posted by RS | September 21, 2006 9:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb, Even if some of us are not posting, we are listening. I decided not to post anymore (this will be an exception) because I didn't like how some people were coming here making threats to military personnel and stuff. Even though I don't think we are doing anything wrong, I just decided that I didn't want to deal with it, so for now on, I'm just a "lurker". I will still come here to see what is going on, and if I do find out some info, I will post it. I guess, I'm writing this to let you know that you are not alone today, and to let the others know why I'm not here anymore. I think all of you are a great group of very intelligent people. Maybe later, I will change my mind, but for now, I will just be "watching". Take care you all!
978. Posted by RS | September 21, 2006 9:36 AM |
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979. Posted by more gossip | September 21, 2006 9:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The earlier post was from Baseops.net discussion board.
979. Posted by more gossip | September 21, 2006 9:42 AM |
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980. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:49 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RS: NO NO NO, you can't leave and just lurk....NO JUST LURKING FOR YOU!! You offer great posts and who cares about threats and other garbage being said to us, just sweep it together and open the door and out it goes....you have the freedom to say what you feel and your posts are helpful and appreciated. Noone owns this room - noone. It is a blog site and it has become a friendly blog site for the most part. There will always be a few bad apples rolling around, just throw them away and move forward! :-)
Thank you for posting back, now I don't feel so lonely.... :-) Boss is wondering why I a frowning today (just kidding)....
980. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:49 AM |
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981. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 9:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"You're the same guy that put out the unlinked, unattributed and non-verified "pregnancy" rumor, aren't you? And look at all the fun gossip that got squeezed out of that one! Yeehaw!
Posted by: laughing lurker"
Small correction: I was informed via email by lads in Kyrgyzstan that Jill M. had an abortion.
That was broadcasted on NTS TV station. www.nts.kg
The doctor who made an abortion made a statement.
I have also bunch of alternative theories. They are flawed in certain extent.
To be honest, for me, the Abortion Theory is the best. Explains a lot of things. No need to use Occam's razor to cut off excessive bits.
Explains why when she reappeared or disappeared:
- Jill was wearing expensive wedding ring with diamond (excludes robbery)
- She had baggy clothes on her
- She had large shoulder bag
- She did no want to see her husband
- She had a blood on her feet
- She appeared to be drunk but no smell of alcohol
- She did not run a marathon
- etc.
981. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 21, 2006 9:52 AM |
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982. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba: I'm with ya. Was there really a doctor who said he performed the abortion though? I thought they were under strict patient/doctor confidentiality rules/laws, etc...I guess in order to save his country, gov. citizens from the backlash of possible riots, perhaps he did speak.
To see your above facts in simple form makes perfect sense. The not wanting to see her husband got me too. My friend who had her abortion wanted NOTHING to do with her boyfriend following this procedure. It was extremely emotional for her and she felt terribly guilty for what she had done....
982. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:05 AM |
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983. Posted by TurboMan | September 21, 2006 10:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Geez! Things are quiet in here...
But there's another bar around the corner and it aint crowded. Here is the address for all who want to go for a Metzger chat.
Its called the asiapages---interesting to post and some of the good guys are there and we can tell the good side of Jill.
http://asiapages.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/some-thoughts-on-the-jill-metzger-abduction/
983. Posted by TurboMan | September 21, 2006 10:14 AM |
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984. Posted by Sickening | September 21, 2006 10:35 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thought I'd stop by and see how my favorite group of crazies is doing.
It seems like the board has shifted a little. Please, keep focusing your attention on me. You don't know me, but at least I'm here to scoff at your juvenile rants.
It's sad really. Even if the whole story comes out, which it eventually may, the people on this board won't care. You see, in your minds it's a done deal. You've got people saying that she deserves the treatment she's being given. She's already been convicted by you bafoons.
Happy and Deb: You little girls sound kinda slutty too. Are you scorned, old friends of Jill?
Since you all love Kyrz news so much, please, read it exclusively. Get all your news from there since it's so unbelievably accurate.
You people want your theories to be true. You have an emotional investment in the conviction of this woman, and guess what? You have bare scraps for facts, but want so badly for this woman's guilt that you're willing to overlook this fact.
Continue rumor-mongoring. It's such a noble thing you do.
984. Posted by Sickening | September 21, 2006 10:35 AM |
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985. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Went on to the asiapages quickly and read about our blog site. LOL, they are talking about us over there - how funny is that. It also mentioned to put on armor and that vaginal bleeding is mentioned frequently here LMAO! vaginal bleeding has only been mentioned TODAY in a few posts and they took it ran with it. I guess goes to prove all the stretching of stories going on here including our own site....
I guess I just don't get why anyone would waste time commenting on what bloggers write (meaning whether it is right or wrong or good or bad and off course on speculating and theorizing) or who bloggers are - who really cares and it certainly does not change anyones life or daily living habits (at least I hope not). Why worry about comments posted here which have nothing to do with "what happened to Jill" and why stress over trying to protect her. This blog is not abot protecting someone, it is about simply, really simply, putting thoughts together, thinking off the realm and out of the box and attempting to come up with theories....really no big deal....again, this was national news, missing AF Officer, etc....there is reason why folks are trying to find the truth because they feel they were deceived. For those defending someone they don't truly know, well, we are here to just have some fun figuring out what MIGHT be the truth, because you see, we really don't KNOW the truth....so, if you come here and don't like what you read - LEAVE.......If you come across something which hurts you in life, you normally just leave it alone or leave it, correct?? If you don't, well folks, that happens to be a psychological problem - sort of like people who self abuse themselves being admitted to psych units and straight jackets....like Wiz has said in the past "it will drive you insane, flytrap, insane".....so to save your sanity, just leave this blog area if you don't like what you see....really simple....
985. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:46 AM |
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986. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening: I see you have come back and lost your sanity. Not amazing though. Rumor mongoring and calling us scorned and sluts when you don't know us is such a noble thing to do, and AS YOU SAID, you have bare scraps and facts to go on LAMO - hypocrit - go back to the angry land you live in....hahahahah you still make no sense. OH AND YOU SAID "YOU LITTLE GIRLS SOUND KINDA SLUTTY TOO TOO TOO TOO, whch means you just called JILL METZGER slutty (meaning we sound slutty TOO like she does) WAHAHAHWAHHAHAHAH you are PATHETIC in every sense of the word....again, picking the two FEMALES on this board to character bash - very noble of you to do. I laugh when I read your posts and imagine your tiny little fingers (which match your brain) typing frantically away at how angry you are while writing.....I THINK YOU ARE JEALOUS...
Juvenile rants: Like you just came in here and did one.....I see no juvenile rants, only from you SICKENING, only from YOU....
I am truly getting a kick out of how angry and upset you are over our postings....Funny really. I bet you are a girl who takes anti-depressants and other meds as well....stressed out? Shaking? Prozac mean anything to you?? Well, if not (which I am guessing it does) then you need some....
So, we post theories here, speculations and possible truths about what MIGHT be in regards to an AF Officer who is not talking. NO harm. YOU, however, come on and bash people, speculate and theorieze and you have NO FACTS TO GO ON.....
Insane Sicking Insane......
986. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:55 AM |
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987. Posted by ikj | September 21, 2006 10:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening---
What do you think happened? There is room on this blog for your thoughts too... even if its the "let's just wait and see" voice.
BUT- I'm getting bored with the junior high level ranting. If you are offended or sickened by these posts then do this: move your cusor to the little box with the "X" in it. Its located in the upper right hand corner of the web browser page that you are reading now. Then... to end your nausea... left click on that "x" and we all go away.
Seriously, I don't agree with all of the opinions/ stupididty that I've read on this page... to include some of the posts of people that I generally agree with. That's ok... I can read and ignore, not read, not come back, provide a counter argument etc.
I don't know if the internet is new to you but these chat rooms/ blogs are all over the place. It's a waste of your time argue in this anonymous forum... arguing just doesn't work online.
So, if you think folks on this list are wrong/ stupid, etc then how do you think you are going to convince anybody of anything by calling them names. I'm sure that if confronted in person, you wouldn't have the 'balls' to do the same. Please act as you would in person... if this is how you would act in person then I can tell that 'you've got a bright future in front of you'.
987. Posted by ikj | September 21, 2006 10:59 AM |
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988. Posted by OIG | September 21, 2006 11:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ikg: nice argument for why arguing doesn't work on blogs......how ironicly hypocritical
988. Posted by OIG | September 21, 2006 11:05 AM |
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989. Posted by IKJ | September 21, 2006 11:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OIG:
Sometimes gyros need to be caged... If that tidbit of advise doesn't sink in with sickening then that's fine. I'm not going to engage again.
BTW: an open forum of debate is not what I meant by arguing. It's the juvenile attacks and non-stop bickering to which I was referring.
Did that not make sense to you?
989. Posted by IKJ | September 21, 2006 11:16 AM |
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990. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 11:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
IKJ: Perfect Sense. I agree with you. I don't agree with everything on this blog either, but it is not my call to comment on it. I just take in all the theories and put more pieces of my puzzle together and see what keeps fitting. I always liked the game "Clue" - now Jill did it with a bomb in the farmhouse by following a note....nope, that's not it, next player to come up with a theory - next....
Sickening: One little last thing. You called Jill's husband a BASTARD. He has done nothing wrong. I would say scorned defines you for saying that. You don't like men, heck, women either. Why bash this man who has not caused the original actions and reason for this blog. Yes, please click on the little X in the top right hand corner - good, we are gone - Poof....
990. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 11:23 AM |
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991. Posted by Happy | September 21, 2006 12:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Disclaimer: Some of you might find this post irrelevant to the subject of this blog, for that I apologize. This is simply a letter to Sickening, read if you are interested.
Sickening…
“Happy and Deb: You little girls sound kinda slutty too. Are you scorned, old friends of Jill?”
First of all, do not know why you are concentrating on me and Deb as certainly Cpt. Wizbangers post was much more offensive then anything either Deb or I have posted. Actually, Sickening, if you had even negligible emotional and intellectual intelligence you would have noticed his post was sarcastically asking you to find yourself another blog. In a previous post, you asked if we even knew what reality around us…wasn’t it YOU who referenced Arsenio Hall? Um, hello circa 1990 are you listening to MC Hammer as you post as well? Perhaps this is where you find your infatuation with Jill – you are now in love with her bi-level mullet and are hoping that her celebrity status will make it the “it” cut. Is this what you wanted? Did you want a personal attack as you personally attacked me simply because of an opinion? Please remember as you keep transgressing from the topic at hand (Jill) neither Deb nor myself are the subject here. Neither of us has called international attention resulting in the demoralizing and (to you) offensive posts in bloggosphere.
Now, please explain to me the basis of your "slutty" and "scorned" accusations.
What exactly about my posts (or Deb’s) have made you come to the conclusion that we are “slutty” or “scorned”? I have given you examples of why I know Jill to be promiscuous, the expample was not from hearsay it was my own personal experience. Which, btw, I could prove with photos and emails she herself sent me but if my written posts offended you those would surely send you over the edge. Now you have labeled me as a slut. Okay, based on what? Let me assure you I have never and will never be disloyal or unfaithful – both in my relationship and in relationships with others. I assure you that I CONFIRM that anyone I start an intimate relationship with is SINGLE, it is pretty easy really! Then again, it is easy for me because I have never been in the situation where a guy does not want to be in a relationship with me; must be my redeeming qualities and the fact that I ,b>keep my panties on. I have been lucky enough never to “come second” to anyone because I am of the “long-term” classification, not a one-night beer goggle fling. I will let Deb defend herself in the “slutty” accusation if she wishes – but she has thus far proven herself to me as an intelligent woman with strong convictions. Her only “sin” on this blog is having an opinion which you yourself do not hold.
You have also come to the conclusion that both Deb and I are scorned past friends of Jill? Have you read any of my posts? I knew Jill, yes, but she is hardly the type of girl I would ever befriend. Different personalities and interests, I guess. I am fairly selective with the company I keep. I demand a bit of class. As far as thinking that I am “scorned” – not sure how I would prove I am not. I would be willing to post my picture and profile online and let folks take a poll as to whether or not they think I look “scorned”. I could put on my web camera at home so you could make sure it is me. I have nothing to hide. It might be worth it simply to hush you so that we may get on to the subject at hand. However, if it makes you feel better to assume I am an unhappy scorned female than to think I am entitled to my own opinions and can speak those opinions on a public blog, then by all means continue assuming I am scorned!
I invited you to give us your theories and facts to back up those theories. You did not. Instead, you retaliated by calling me a slutty scorned girl which honestly made you seem rather desperate and without any basis to back up your theory. I have come to my own conclusion about the person sitting behind your computer screen typing odd rants about “bastards”, “sluts” and “scorned” females but I will keep my thoughts to myself and go back to the subject of this blog: “Where is Jill Metzger”?
991. Posted by Happy | September 21, 2006 12:05 PM |
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992. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 12:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy: Glad to see you back!!! Nice defense. You go girl! No guts no glory....I'm with you. This blog has turned into a defense room. Again, I still don't understand why anyone would come on here and care about what others are posting - baffling.....
As far as being slutty. Geesh, I did not even answer that one, has never come up in my life and I am pretty confident and comfortable with the person I am. Living my life in a moral way is pretty high on my list - slutty is not an option - ever. Thought it was funny she called us that though. The only person bashing characters and name calling and being dishonorable and less than noble on this board is not us.... lol
Now, for amyone wishing to SEE who I may be, well, I have a profile posted on Match.com. yes, I know, an internet dating service - the thing to do around Bragg for folks who have higher standards than picking up people in bars on a nightly basis, and I have met some great people to go diving with, golfing with, kayaking, skiing, etc... Given the fact I don't go to bars nor do I take my panties off for men I have just met or don't know the names of....I consider it a great avenue to meet new folks and perhaps, one day, if I feel someone warrants "my list" then maybe even date - sorry I AM NOT DESPERATE (and oh yes, not scorned). Sorry, I have high standards...would rather be single and enjoy it - hardley scorned. Never scorned actually. How can anyone say they are scorned? - if a guy does something wrong to you, walk away, keep smiling and move forward, you are responsible for your own happiness - really simiple - I'd say smart, but not scorned. It doesn't take much strength, stamina, CONFIDENCE and character to KNOW when someone is not right for you - really simple....oh heck, I have been accused of all kinds of things on this site - funny really. ok, here it is: Teddyfan88
Now, any good and/or new theories on what happened to Jill Metzger??????
992. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 12:33 PM |
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993. Posted by TurboMan | September 21, 2006 1:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ok
so , wo ist der Wizbanger mensch?
993. Posted by TurboMan | September 21, 2006 1:46 PM |
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994. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 2:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Turboman: That is priceless. Grew up saying Mensch ALL THE TIME.....I am thinking the same thing - where is Wiz!!!!!???????
994. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 2:13 PM |
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995. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 3:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kyrgyz TV broadcasted that Jill was cheating on her husband, got pregnant and had to do an abortion. Remember, that only 2 days were left at that point of time before joining her husband.
The doctor from Issyk-Ata district clinic gave testaments about abortion surgery performed on Jill Metzger. This was broadcasted by NTS TV channel in Kyrgyzstan.
www.nts.kg
995. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 3:00 PM |
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996. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 3:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Found this article today. I recall someone upset with us for blogging on tazpayer dollars. Well, Jill's disappearance and lies on taxpayer's dollars was mentioned here:
The police in Kyrgyzstan aren’t the only ones who question U.S. Air Force Maj. Jill Metzger’s story that she was kidnapped at a store, held three days, and then escaped.
U.S. defense officials tell ABC News that serious inconsistencies have emerged in the investigation of the strange disappearance of Air Force Major Jill Metzger. Maj. Metzger vanished without a trace while shopping at a store in Kyrgyzstan on Sept. 5 until she just as mysteriously reappeared three days later.
Sources tell ABC News that surveillance video taken in the store contradict the Major's story that she was abducted after someone put a hard object in her back pocket along with a note saying that it was an explosive. The video indicates that she left the store of her own free will, and alone, according to sources who have seen the video.
As investigators gather all the facts surrounding the case, they are exploring the possibility that she was attempting to flee a recent marriage, according to one source close to the investigation. When she was found, her hair had been cropped short and dyed.
Happy to be free? Meanwhile, Metzger yesterday released an incredibly vague statement. What’s missing from the statement? Any mention that she is happy to be “free.” Maybe she doesn’t feel especially thrilled to be free because she never was captive.
“Right now I’m trying to focus on healing myself mentally and physically,” Metzger said in a news release from U.S. Air Forces in Europe. “I’m healthy and recovering, and looking very forward to heading back to the states to see my family. I appreciate everyone’s understanding in respecting my privacy while I rest and try to get through this.”
Perhaps she’s another “runaway bride.” This is the most likely explanation. On April 8, she married Air Force Capt. Joshua Mayo, but the two have been apart for all but 10 days since then because of their military careers. He is based in Florida. When she disappeared Sept. 5, she was three days from the end of her four-month deployment in Kyrgyzstan. They had scheduled a honeymoon in Jamaica for Sept. 24.
No questions, please. She disappeared from her taxpayer-paid job for three days, and now she asks us to respect her privacy. In other words, don’t ask questions because I might have to tell you I ran off on my own to avoid going home to the husband I hardly know. Don’t ask questions because I might have to tell you I sent a lot of people on an expensive wild goose chase.
Jill Metzger’s father, John Metzger, says she really was kidnapped, but:
He said she has not yet provided him with details of her ordeal.
“We haven’t really pushed that button yet,” he said.
Obviously, her father doesn’t want to make her lie, so he’s avoiding the big questions. My guess is, she’ll eventually tell the truth. She’ll have to.
996. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 3:12 PM |
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997. Posted by KC | September 21, 2006 3:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow, I stop lurking for a couple of days and come back to find out it's now Deb G's dating site. For someone who's not desparate and lonely she sure seems to spend A LOT of time on this site talking to anyone who will listen (which as far as I can tell is mostly her...and I guess me since I'm typing this. There is no new news about Jill Metzger, can't we just move on and wait for the investigation to run it's course?
997. Posted by KC | September 21, 2006 3:45 PM |
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998. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 4:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
KC: (oh boy, another jealous fan) That's funny. I guess you are desperate as well because you spend a lot of time lurking - not courageous enough to add any theories??? I just happen to be a little bit more friendly than you. I don't get lonely because I don't lurk - I participate - try it sometime rather than saying anything negative about someone. You might even smile at some point....
I have to ask - why does it bother you that someone would come on to a blog and post something????? and why speculate that someone is lonely and desperate when you don't have the facts - can't you just move on and find another place to blog....Answer to your question is NO, we will not just move on and wait for the investigation to run it's course - just because you said so - sorry, now sit down please.
998. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 4:38 PM |
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999. Posted by Just Another Lurker | September 21, 2006 5:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-----KC-----
Great post! LOL
Deb seems to have THE answer for everything and knows better than YOU... and you and you and you and you--all of whom "need help" of some sort...
999. Posted by Just Another Lurker | September 21, 2006 5:15 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 17:15
1000. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 5:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ah, another fan. LMAO!! The ONLY reason anyone would come on here and post something against a blogger is due to, well, it's very simple, JEALOUSY and the lacking of something within, to include, but not limited to: lack of self esteem, lack of self confidence, inability to participate in a team environment, lack of integrity, stupidity to absorb the simple fact that an Air Force Officer has, in fact, lied to you, and you and you and you and YOU. You don't want us to offend, yet you are doing it - funny how that happens - isn't it??? Ok, I'll stop here because I have to run now friends. Wish I could stay and chat with you er, whatever it is you are doing. Answer for everything? Nah, I don't claim to have an answer for everything, just offering theories and insight and participating on this simple little blog and swiping away little minds like the two of you who offer nothing here but embarrassment to yourselves. How ironic that you cry and weep and request folks on this blog to STOP making up theories because you are trying to defend someone you do not even know and do not have facts of. Yet, oh yes, yet, you come here and try to jump on a simple blogger (me) for offering insight and oh yes, defending rather immature and petty accusations, character bashing and speculations and so forth and so forth. You don't know me either girls so EXCUSE ME, but I have some other business to take care of and wait, wait, let me open the door and sweep you OUT....please take your JEALOUSY to another blog.....and yes, you do need some help - how strange to come here and offend bloggers for a free speach blog. By the way, you two seem to have the answers for everything too - let me guess ONE of them which you would like us to believe: Jill Metzger had a bomb placed in her pocket, read a note, fell into a trance, walked out of a mall, used a pay phone, took a cab to who knows where, escaped an abductor, wait, at least 3 men and 1 woman and then bingo! ends up at some strange house.....sorry, not buying it....you have to be stupid to think this Officer is telling any kind of truth. Are you two stupid???????
1000. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 5:34 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 17:34
1001. Posted by Shrink | September 21, 2006 6:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Glad to see the gang is still here blogging.
I still think she's lying about something, 'cause it just doesn't make a hill of beans worth of sense. Figured I'd toss that in for Sickening.
Just checking in to see what's going on. Today was my 'long day.' I need to actually spend some quality time with the DH tonight since he's finally back from his trip. Strange how we still like to spend time together after 20 years, and some people get bored after ten days.
Okay, that was mean, I shouldn't have said that. But it does kinda fit.
1001. Posted by Shrink | September 21, 2006 6:15 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 18:15
1002. Posted by dorothy | September 21, 2006 6:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You know Deb G, it's taken me a long time to wade through all the posts since I last read here, and there's one thing that jumps out at me loud and clear: You have an extraordinarily passive/aggressive, angry personality.
And no, Deb, contrary to what you posted, the world really isn't all caught up in your Jill Metzger drama. I'm interested, you're interested (no, you're possessed) and people on this blog are interested...but who else? Basically, NOBODY. When was the last time you turned on your TV and saw even the tiniest little thing mentioned about Jill Metzger on the news? You care waaaaaaaaaaaay too much about this incident.
Here's a part of one of your posts:
"Sickening: One little last thing. You called Jill's husband a BASTARD. He has done nothing wrong. I would say scorned defines you for saying that. You don't like men, heck, women either. Why bash this man who has not caused the original actions and reason for this blog."
Listen moron, I know it's probably a bit over your head, but when Sickening ended his/her post with "Bastard," he/she was using sarcastic humor to make a point...and a good one at that. Duh.
1002. Posted by dorothy | September 21, 2006 6:54 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 18:54
1003. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 7:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I didn't get back to the blog last night like I'd hoped, but I know none of ya was waiting for ME anyway. I know you guys were all hanging out waiting for Deb G. ;D
So I was anxious to get back here tonight to see what was new, and lo and behold, I am treated to a bonanza! Deb G. - I practically FELL over myself to go check out your profile on Match.com. And can I just say you are the MOST gorgeous thing I have seen in a long time? Is that allowed? And to think you are in uniform. Now I know I'm just a tad younger than you (I'm 36), and I'm stationed on the opposite corner of the map, but drop me a line sometime at americanwarmonger@hotmail.com.
...
...
I've been sitting here for 15 minutes debating with myself whether to post this or not...but I can't think of any other way to get in touch with you. I don't even know your real name! :(
What the hell...you only live once.
*post*
1003. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 7:17 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 19:17
1004. Posted by Happy | September 21, 2006 7:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cpt Wizbang...
You are right - Deb is a hottie. Makes you wonder if that is why she has gotten so much attention on the blog lately? To all Deb G fans: Simply go to Match and send Deb a wink. That way, we can keep this post to the subject (Where is Jill Metzger).
Shrink:
I always enjoy your posts - you give a different and honest perspective.
Think I will be signing off for now...season premier of Greys and The Office.
Should be on tomorrow night - BF hosting poker night and I am serving beer dressed as a St. Pauli girl. Am I not the worlds best girlfriend? Now what kind of slutty scorned little girl would do that?
I am keeping fingers crossed that the Moody Base paper might have a scoop tomorrow...
1004. Posted by Happy | September 21, 2006 7:30 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 19:30
1005. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 7:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You are right, Happy. This blog is for more important things. That's why I thought I'd take my crush off-line. There's just nothin' like putting myself out there, eh? LOL
1005. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 7:42 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 19:42
1006. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 7:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dorothy, the reason Sickening is posting here, by her (it must be a girl jealous of Deb) own admission, is to keep the attention on herself. WE can't have that. Deb is the woman of honor in here. Jealous bimbos need not apply. "Duh."
And by the way, we already have a Shrink in here, too, so your amateur analysis of Deb's personality is making me laugh. Out loud. You know, like ROFLMAO.
Gotta go offline tonight. It's quiet in here. Deb's not around. No more fun.
1006. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 7:55 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 19:55
1007. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 7:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizzzzzzzzzzzz: I just missed you last night! Absolutely will send an email. Nothing better than meeting new military folks. I still stay in touch with people I have known from bases around the world since I was very very young. Strange, from your intelligent and funny posts I thought you might be much older, vietnam vet or some type of vet....Kudos to you, 36 and SMART!!!
Happyyyyy! Missed you today too. Still searching for clues - lady from newspaper emailed today. They are trying to get an interview with Jill personally, AF not allowing it......
Duh Dorothy: I am the least angry person you could possibly EVER meet, but don't worry, YOU will never have the honor of meeting me - sorry. Angry people call other people names, like Moron and come onto blogs and character bash others for leaving comments and having fun in a blog area. You are angry, I am not angry. I am happy, sorry. As far as MY Jill Metzger drama -- well you are in here, reading blogs, posting to me (for whatever reason I have not figured that out yet and let's see, will not try because there is not one, oh yes, jealousy) and offering no theories or explanation of your own. NEWSFLASH: There is NOTHING on the news or print because Jill is not talking (are you aware of that) and either is the Air Force or anyone for that matter....there is no MY drama, there is, however, the Jill Metzger drama that myself and a lot of people are having FUN figuring out. I have become addicted to this site and reading theories, not possessed, addicted. You are POSSESSED, with me that is, I suggest you try stopping that or you too will be insane Duh Dorothy, insane. I have offered speculation and have been piecing together well, pieces....what are you doing? Oh yes, character bashing - nearly forgot. So, perhaps we can just have soome fun trying to figure out what might have happened to Jill Metzger. Perfectly normal for people to wonder WHY an AF Officer is declared missing, then said to be kidnapped then POOF she is gone and there is nothing said, perfectly normal. What is not normal, is kids like yourself coming into a blog like this and posting rudely and bickering to another blogger. I don't think you understand when I tell you that I don't care what you say to me, think of me and how you feel....this type of bicker DOES NOT bother me, never will..... IT IS GIRLS LIKE YOU ON THIS BLOG WHO HAVE TURNED IT INTO A BICKER PARTY RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON HAVING SOME FUN WITH THEORIES ON WHAT HAPPENED TO JILL, NO WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO JILL.....sorry, but the comment about Josh being a Bastart was indeed meant to call him that - I pity you for believing that was a joke....and I pity you for trying to MAKE me think it was one....now, go away and find some poop to fly on because your a bit of a pest when the rest of us are putting together our puzzle....
1007. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 7:56 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 19:56
1008. Posted by Buster | September 21, 2006 8:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Still no word coming out on the down-low/scuttle-butt. Tried tapping into a few resources and the only common thread is the Russian boyfriend theory. Don’t really know if that really fits into this but it’s the only word I’m getting from anyone other than this board. Another interesting tidbit is that our law enforcement types, not security forces (formerly known as security police/ the AF’s Army), weren’t allowed much time to debrief her either. It’s looking like the State Department jumped in ASAP to sanitize the situation. If this has already been addressed forgive me. This thread has gotten so long that it’s hard to get through all of it in one sitting. As was mentioned earlier, the truth is in the details. There have been enough character witnesses, or at least claimants, to attest to a pattern of behavior. If you can’t believe what you read on the Internet, what can you believe? If this shit is somehow brushed under any rugs or she’s simply allowed RILO (Resignation In Lieu) there are going to be a lot pissed off MOFO’s. Hope this isn’t stating too much of the obvious.
1008. Posted by Buster | September 21, 2006 8:44 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 20:44
1009. Posted by neutral | September 21, 2006 8:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
That which one person defends themselves against most vehemently is that which one person is.
It's human nature to not see what you truly are...when you acknowledge it, you recognize it. Until then you are blind.
When you see yourself as what you truly are in essense, you feel no reason or have no reason to judge others.
You don't feel glee in the downfall of others and you don't feel compelled to "theorize about their mishaps"...you simply are what you are...you simple accept others as they are...you simply do the best that you can with the circumstances dealt to you.
When you are perfect, is when you have no desire to judge anyone else or their circumstances.
Who here is perfect??
1009. Posted by neutral | September 21, 2006 8:49 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 20:49
1010. Posted by j | September 21, 2006 9:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Someone linked to my post regarding this topic to this thread and I have looked over much of what has been said here and wanted to add my two cents, not that anyone cares, however.
I do want to add I am happy she was found alive and that I do not know Jill and therefore have no motives for wanting to trash her reputation, but let's be honest here. She has been propelled into the international spotlight whether intentionally or not, and is therefore free game for the public scrutiny, esp. considering the facts we have been given. Until she or someone else in authority gives a satisfactory explanation, people are going to talk and you cannot blame them for doing so.
So here are my thoughts:
Regarding bride kidnapping. I lived in Kyrgyzstan for over a year and am very familiar with the custom. I even attended the "wedding" which resulted in this practice and it actually ended up being a happy marriage although not all of them are. As one poster (I believe "Andy") said, Jill is not the ideal candidate for this tradition. As Andy correctly said, she cannot provide what Kyrgyz traditionalists want: a good daughter-in-law, good housekeeping according to Kyrgyz tradition and of course Kyrygz babies.
Also, the practice of bride kidnapping mostly happens in rural areas. As was also mentioned earlier, it is almost comical to think someone would try this in downtown Bishkek.
I am surprised those who are military personnel commenting on this thread have said nothing about the kind of training you must receive in regards to crisis situations. I am not in the military so I have no idea what sort of training they give you, but I would hope you are taught how to properly react in such a situation and I would be very surprised if you are told to willingly get into a strange vehicle without putting up a fight, faking a seizure or doing something to attract attention to your situation.
Even civilians in self-defense classes are told how to stave off kidnappers, rapists, etc. and none of those tactics include willining allowing perps to control where you go, what you do, etc. So I am surprised Jill went wherever she did so willingly. Given her position in the USAF, if that is indeed what she did, she surely does not deserve her leadership position.
As was also mentioned, there is mall security at the Tsum. If there was indeed a "bomb" in Jill's pocket, it's not like there were not people who couldn't help her. She had lots of resources at her disposal.
In regards to the possibility of a language barrier on the behalf of the local police, this also is very unlikely and it shows what little faith people have in the US military and how it looks after its staff. I would be VERY surprised if the US AF allowed Jill to be interviewed by local cops without the presence of a bi-lingual US Military representative at her side. Likewise, I would be shocked if Jill agreed to such an arrangement in the first place. I know I never would have.
If this is indeed what had happened, I suppose the USAF is not as top-notch as I thought it was and does not care for the well-being of its staff.
Whatever it is that happened, it would be in the best interest of the USAF to come clean on details for several reasons:
1) To help other military staff avoid situations like this and to help them take precautions;
2) To settle issues with the host country of Kyrygzstan being that Kyrgyz nationals have been blamed for committing a crime;
3) To bring to justice any wrong-doers (whether it be Jill for faking this event or the kidnappers for abducting her and most importantly
4) To clear the now tarnished name and reputation of the US Air Force which has come under heavy fire for not answering questions that U.S. taxpayers and Kyrgyz nationals deserve to know.
1010. Posted by j | September 21, 2006 9:29 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 21:29
1011. Posted by Freud Fellow | September 21, 2006 9:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
NEUTRAL---------
Schadenfreude: is a German word meaning "pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune." It is sometimes used as a loanword in English and other languages. The German pronunciation of the word is: sha-den-froy-de
The other piece is what I would call - plain and simple - FED UP -
Fed up with:
Cover ups
Lies
People getting away with things
People with power getting away with more things
1011. Posted by Freud Fellow | September 21, 2006 9:31 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 21:31
1012. Posted by Freud Fellow | September 21, 2006 9:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb C:
Do not confuse ----------Cpt. WizBANG with WizBanger Poster..... two completely different people.
Cpt WizBANG posted quite a few sarcastic remarks about the people posting here.
1012. Posted by Freud Fellow | September 21, 2006 9:37 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 21:37
1013. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Will the real Wiz please stand up, please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.......
Not really following tonight, just looking for any new theories....I'll check back later...
1013. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 9:58 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 21:58
1014. Posted by WizbangerPoster | September 21, 2006 10:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
.................Deb C
Freud Fellow is right Deb.. Wolf in a bad SheepCut.. You can tell him by his incisors.. I've trained dogs in my former Army life... this guy reminds me of one we had to put down..
No'fence there CptWizbang... but, just gotta look out for my partner (foxhole an' all)... (ohhhh.. snuggle up here kid) I've got the watch tonight!!
Wizbanger LIVES!!!
1014. Posted by WizbangerPoster | September 21, 2006 10:10 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:10
1015. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 10:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now old fella, no need to get all ornery on me. I'll toss ya a bone. Your instinct is almost right: I may not be a wolf, but I am a devil dog. Maybe that's why you, being an Army-type, feel so threatened! HAHAHAHA
No offense taken - I've been called worse.
1015. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 10:24 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:24
1016. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok, alas, Cpt. Wizbang and Wizbanger Poster are two different people. Which I thought before, but was not sure. However, Cpt. Wizbang is pretty cool too and offers some EXCELLENT posts....I think posting against people in here is becoming the norm, a defense thing really....Is it safe to say we have a TEAM? Our TEAM? I'd say Cpt. Wiz is on OUR TEAM....
Wizbanger Poster: I MISSED YOU!!! You have got to come up with some funny stuff for us....pleaseeeeeeeee
1016. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:24 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:24
1017. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 10:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
But now if you called me a sheep, then you'd have trouble...
1017. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 10:25 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:25
1018. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OH OH, now boys, none of that. Army here, really none of that, but I know you are both smart men so I know you are only kidding :-)
at ease....
:-) ah, the two Wizzes....
1018. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:28 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:28
1019. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 21, 2006 10:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
-------Cpt. WizBANG
Run along lil' doggy.. takes more than a pair of fangs to threaten this dog tamer.. 'course canines would have a tough time understanding that..
Jus' call me ALPHA..
An...my instinct is rarely off.. face to face or jus' a bunch of binary bits scattered all over the internet.
1019. Posted by WizBanger Poster | September 21, 2006 10:31 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:31
1020. Posted by lurker | September 21, 2006 10:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I see a lot of whizing going here
1020. Posted by lurker | September 21, 2006 10:33 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:33
1021. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 21, 2006 10:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just Checking in.. noticed nothing much going on... this party is just about over...
You take care Deb... I'll be watching. now and again.
I'll be going to Mexico next month.. spend some time, there... Then probably to Germany for a couple of months.. My son is deploying soon.. gotta see him before he leaves... then Moscow and on to Bishkek.
1021. Posted by Wizbanger Poster | September 21, 2006 10:39 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:39
1022. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok now, if you want to play with the big dogs, don't act like a puppy....
Wizbanger Poster is and has been the Alpha in this blog and now, it is MY turn, to honor a faithful soldier in my foxhole....kevlar up, guns loaded - ah heck, I am sure this is not bothering Wizbanger in the least....you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but you sure can let him know he is LOVED....Wizbanger, we love ya in here....nothing is going to change that...nothing.
So, unless you're willing to visit a local hospital for some stitches from a dog bite, I suggest a few bones be offered up....If my life were on the line, I'd have no fear with WP around....
1022. Posted by Deb G. | September 21, 2006 10:47 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:47
1023. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 10:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wizbanger.
Don't head out. I actually have to go offline for the next 18 hours. You need to stay and stand watch. Some might try and stir things up tonight just because it IS slow. Give Deb and Happy and the rest some good laughs - put up a poll or something.
Peace, bro.
I'm out.
1023. Posted by Cpt. WizBANG | September 21, 2006 10:53 PM |
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Posted on September 21, 2006 22:53
1024. Posted by lurker | September 22, 2006 2:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wikipedia has been changed again -- here's the current entry (as of five minute ago):
Major Jill Metzger is a United States Air Force officer and is assigned to the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing that has been deployed since June 2006 to Manas Air Base in the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan to support operations in Afghanistan.
On September 4, 2006, after shopping in a mall in Bishkek to buy souvenirs for her family, she failed to return to Manas Air Base and was listed as missing.
Four days later, a telephoned tip led police to discover Jill Metzger walking in a disoriented manner near a police station with her hair cut and dyed. It is unclear if she had been abducted or if she had been held against her will; however, Metzger claimed that she had been kidnapped by 3 men and a woman who had held her against her will for the past four days. There are additional reports (Russian News Agency RIA Novosti, Washington Post, MSNBC) that someone placed an object on her person with "bomb" written on the object.
The USAF released a statement to the local press. The US military statement did not give details of her reappearance, although Metzger's superior, Colonel Joel "Scott" Reese, praised "the cooperation between the base and local civil and police authorities during the investigation."
"Her condition will be determined by a team of medical professionals. The investigation concerning her disappearance is continuing," the statement said.
According to several discussion groups (see www.theodoresworld.net) and several others accessed by typing the keywords Jill and Metzger and pregnant and Kyrgyz TV, Kyrgyz television reported several days ago that Metzger was pregnant and wished to conceal this condition from her husband who lives abroad and with whom the child was not conceived. The TV station reported her going to the Issyk Ata district clinic in Kant to obtain an abortion. Verification independent of Kyrgyz TV reports is unlikely as the US government has hushed up the matter and US media find it unprofitable to soil photogenic women serving their countries with reports that might put in question their womanly honor.
1024. Posted by lurker | September 22, 2006 2:03 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 02:03
1025. Posted by lurker | September 22, 2006 3:32 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WTF? It looks like one of our favorite contributors may have some kind of strange agenda -- google "Kuba Kyrgyz" and see what you think.
1025. Posted by lurker | September 22, 2006 3:32 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 03:32
1026. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 5:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Disclaimer:
Kuba Kyrgyz is not bound with any obligations of any kind to discuss things about Jill only in http://wizbangblog.com
WTF? I googled "Kuba Kyrgyz". What a mess! Only pathetic 229 hits. My ego has got hurt. LOL
Try googling "Jill Metzger" and you'll be amazed how many hits you'll get.
1026. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 5:12 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 05:12
1027. Posted by Sickening | September 22, 2006 7:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I love you little guys. Noble creatures of the information age, spreading truth throughout the world.
I like how everybody is able to explain away any ill intent. Just insert a line like "I'm so glad Jill is back, but that dirty . . . . " or "Since it's all the information I have, I'll assume that Jill raped a monkey".
Simple question conspiracy theorists: How long has Kyrgz news media been so reliable?
Oh, and did you take your meds today?
1027. Posted by Sickening | September 22, 2006 7:38 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 07:38
1028. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 8:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening: Came on today to see any new theories, low and behold, there you are, back on a blog you don't like - trashing folks again, but nicely defending Jill Metzger, who IS SPREADING TRUTH THROUGHOUT THE WORLD ....in your eyes anyway. You are clueless, absolutely clueless....people like you get killed in a battlefield. I have to wonder why you so strongly defend the actions of an AF Officer who offers NO explanation as to her disappearance - NONE...Let's see, every other kidnap victim offers explanation, even Jessica Lynch openly talked to her taxpayers and the public...yet YOU hold onto the fact she just might be telling the truth LOLOLOLOLOLOL and I don't see anyone here even remotely assuming "Jill raped a monkey" - except YOU that is, YOU......Not too noble of you to be bashing folks on here for no reason at all, but
I do find it odd that you keep coming back here to a blog you obviously don't like.....you are a TROUBLE MAKER and enjoy self abuse. hmmmmm, questioning if someone took their meds - now that is ill intent toward others and a theory of your own - imagine that!!! silly silly girl, tricks are for kids....you're a little puppy in a big dog world who can't play games unless you're winning - a sorry loser....pity
1028. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 8:06 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 08:06
1029. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 8:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sickening: It's a blog site, folks come on to offer theories, have some fun. YOU, take it all personal....I feel badly for you. I bet you are angry inside, at yourself, don't like yourself and can't play games.....you are a hypocrit: calling people who blog here things like little guys, noble creatures, however, you claim we have ill intent toward an AF Officer....HAHAHHA,
WHY DOES ANY OF THIS TROUBLE YOU? and what is YOUR theory for what happened to an AF Officer who claims to have been kidnapped, which, by the way, the military has already officially announced is what she told them too. So, there is no speculation, she did, in fact, tell military officials the whole bomb, note, trance story....If you believe any of that then maybe you need to come OFF YOUR meds for a while.....
Look, if you need some psychological help for your anger over this site, we can help you with that....Oddly strange you keep coming back - just click on the x in the upper right corner and you don't have to read any of this, very very simple....
1029. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 8:14 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 08:14
1030. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 8:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Let's wait for o(fishy)al statement by Fat Cat Media Tycoons then. Being a turd world media, Kyrg TV cannot be trusted much, I sincerely admit that.
I am demanding that Jill Metzger gives an oath on a Bible, saying that she was indeed abducted by 'orrible Kyrg terrorists on Fat Cat Media Tycoon News TV station. Until then, I will be haunting Jill during her beauty sleep in the realms of astral world, invading her realms of dream, demanding for the truth.
And medication I need right now is the Truth, I am craving for the Truth, I am deprived of it, Fat Cat media bosses are lying to me.
*** Noise is the enemy of information. For Shannon and Weaver, noise is more than an irritating sound or static on the line. It is anything added to the signal that’s not intended by the source. Usually that kind of interference is an unintended by-product of the situation. In nonelectrical channels, noise can be smudged newsprint, ah-um-er vocal filler, or visual movement that distracts the listener. There is a ground-floor seminar room at my college that overlooks a grassy knoll. The first warm day in May brings out a flock of sunbathers to soak up the rays. No teacher can begin to compete with the view; the room is too noisy.
Noise may be intentional. For many years, the government of the former Soviet Union jammed the Voice of America broadcasts so that its citizens wouldn’t hear news from the west. Hecklers try to drown out the words of a speaker in order to prevent the audience from considering an opposing viewpoint. We can even generate white noise to mask more disruptive sounds. That’s the purpose of Muzak. Yet whether accidental or planned, noise cuts the information-carrying capacity of the channel between the transmitter and receiver. ***
1030. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 8:33 AM |
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1031. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 9:01 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Reposting here from the following URL
http://gswasstupid.blogspot.com/2006/09/sooo-major.html
Somebody mentioned here Occam's razor.
Galactically Stupid
Ockham Had It Right...entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. If that's over your head, it means quit trying to find other explanations for an act other than the first or obvious one that comes along. If ya shit yourself, don't blame your gastroenterologist. Blame your fucking asshole.
Friday, September 08, 2006
Sooo, The Major...
...goes a missing. Major Jill Metzger went shopping in Kyrgyzstan and suddenly disappeard. Of course foulplay was immediately suspected. It had to be a kidnapping. Lots of people looking for her. Bands of young men in that country go out looking for young women to marry, and swoosh them up against their will to do so. Seems to be a likely scenario. No ransom note found, so it must be a drive-by ass grab. Officials are stymied. How could this be. Hmmm, she was going home to her loving husband in two weeks. Well, guess what, she showed up on the side of the road tonight, with a shaved head. You get where I'm going here? But DAMN, you gotta shave your head to tell your husband you don't want his dick anymore? Just asking...
posted by GalacticallyStupid at 8:42 PM
1031. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 9:01 AM |
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1032. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 9:05 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just a thought:
Sooo, Jill Metzger hair must've been shaved off by Occam's razor. That's my latest deduction.
What would Dr. Watson would think of it?
Kuba Kyrgyz
1032. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 9:05 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 09:05
1033. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 9:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Repost:
Just a thought:
Sooo, Jill Metzger's head must've been shaved off by Occam's razor. That's my latest deduction.
What would have Dr. Watson thought of it?
1033. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 22, 2006 9:34 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 09:34
1034. Posted by another lurker | September 22, 2006 10:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba Kyrgyz,
I did as lurker suggested and googled your name. Not surprisingly, you are commenting on dozens of web sites about Jill Metzger. You are on a widespread - albeit amateur - campaign of disinformation. Always, you cut and paste the same rumor about "someone in Kyrgyz" saying Metzger was pregnant. Yet nowhere - in all your dozens upon dozens of blog posts - have you cited a source, or attributed that claim. And the reason you can't/won't cite a source is because you made it up.
That's why I don't believe you. I think you are lying and have made up that rumor, which you are spreading with single-minded determination and zeal. You even made an entry in Wikipedia, citing a Theodore's World discussion board and your own rumor! You obviously have an agenda, and are using unscrupulous methods to accomplish it.
Though you have successfully had some people on this blog believe your rumor - it doesn't wash. The most rudimentary examination of your claims show them to be unfounded and unproven. There has been NO MENTION in any online Kyrgyz media - NONE - of such a rumor.
Maybe this is how they do things in Kyrgyz, where the dumb and uneducated (like some on this blog) are made easily malleable by rumor-mongering. The peasants believe you, Kuba - aren't you the smart one?
Kuba, quit playing seedy games with the life and reputation of a woman you've never met.
And that goes for the rest of you, too. It's sad and pathetic.
BTW, lurker, you are 100% correct about a few highly creative posters on this board - just don't blow their cover, eh? ;) Idiots abound, as you've plainly seen.
1034. Posted by another lurker | September 22, 2006 10:04 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 10:04
1035. Posted by JP | September 22, 2006 10:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba Kyrgyz is a plant. We already outed him at another board. He posted a link to himself (cross-referencing his own comments, apparently) on this thread and I thought I'd come over and let you all know. But it looks like you are on it.
And ROFLMFAO, you have GOT to be kidding me. Obviously some dim bulbs here wouldn't know a hilarious parody when it smacks 'em in the face. I've gotta send some of my readers over to see this.
Have fun!
1035. Posted by JP | September 22, 2006 10:42 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 10:42
1036. Posted by Ruben James | September 22, 2006 11:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba..
Sabaka!!! Huru Huru!! Eta Kuba.. dada!
Translation:
Dog! Pig! This Kuba.. yes,yes!
1036. Posted by Ruben James | September 22, 2006 11:22 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 11:22
1037. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 11:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ROFLMFAO! I find it amazing that folks come in here in regards to what Kuba is posting. Who really cares what he posts or what you post for that matter. Have ya ever heard of Free Speach? I have to admit, I did NOT go to any posts or links which Kuba posted - mostly because I don't care and am really just having some fun in here with theories, however, YOU FOLKS DID GO TO HIS POSTS AND LINKS LOLOLOL and followed his instructions - kind of like the note Jill Metzger found!! Well, took you guys a while to figure he might be a fraud (I offer no truth of facts on that one), just like it will take a while to piece together what really happened to Jill Metzger.
Such a sorry lack of self worth, confidence and little little people who come into a blog and name call (i.e. idiots, morons, etc...). How hypocritical to act like children and name call and accuse and bash characters and speculate on anyone's character yet STAND BEHIND A MILITARY OFFICER WHO HAS OBVIOIUSLY LIED AND OFFERS NO EXPLANATION. Frankly, I laugh when I read the tiny insults because you folks are the ones making fools of yourselves for even remotely believing or standing behind this Officer who had lied to the world basically...LOL, can you get any more stupid really???? I guess all you folks believe all the Priest molesting kids too? Yes, thought so, how could such an honorable profession and position as a Priest, noble of noble, God honoring, commit such a crime - no real proof, just hearsay from a child (and Jill Metzger is NO child)..LOLOL I have some swamp land to sell ya too.......
1037. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 11:24 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 11:24
1038. Posted by dim bulb | September 22, 2006 11:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh please JP- enlighten us. Obviously you and "your" blog is the source of thruth. How might one find such insight... please tell us what happened since so many on this blog have it wrong.
JP- you're the dim one... and ugly... and smell like fish. (It was posted on another site so it must be true).
1038. Posted by dim bulb | September 22, 2006 11:26 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 11:26
1039. Posted by **anon** | September 22, 2006 11:31 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hiya Jill,
We are pretty sure you are reading this. Its ok honey, you don't need to keep making up stories or attacking bloggers. Also, please know that we all have a theory that we like more than others. Some think you went with friends, some believe that you had an abortion and others that you just lost it. Sweetheart, you really have a long day ahead of you if you plan to hit every American, every blog site and every News channel trying to convince them of your innocence. Instead of doing that, please use you valuable time and energy on convincing the investigators assigned to your case.
I'm sure the truth will come out eventually.
Cheers,
Your friends from the blog
1039. Posted by **anon** | September 22, 2006 11:31 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 11:31
1040. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 11:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL - You folks bashing people in here HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED TO JILL METZGER DO YOU, DO YOU????? No, didn't think so. Not the brightest tools in the shed eh? I guess you believe the bomb in pocket, trance, note crap though right??? LMAO - dim? I smell something fishy in here today....
Sorry to say, I thought about the abortion theory all by myself - imagine that? Yup, used the brain on that one. Let me tell you tiny people something - it did not take KUBA to enlighte anyone to a pregnancy/abortion theory - noonoe. In this little room filled with some great people lies some amazing imaginations and abilities to theorize, speculate, assume and have some fun....oh yes, without the immature ability to laugh at or put down another blogger for their thoughts. Keep this in mind - flattery lies within the ranks of being ridiculed. It takes a tiny ignorant mind to preach to another about their own thoughts meaning they have NONE OF THEIR OWN TO SHARE so it is easier to negate the thoughts of others instead of use your own brain ....pathetic I'd say because you folks can't come up with any theories because it is too hard for you that you will just sit back and think this AF Officer was telling the truth - just easier - HAHAHAHAHAHA
1040. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 11:34 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 11:34
1041. Posted by lurking blogger | September 22, 2006 11:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lurking on this site and find it whacked out amazing that ANYONE would stand behind Jill Metzger! You guys/gals are incredibly LOST - OUT THERE - STUPID - SHIT OUT OF BRAINS to think this girl was kidnapped or on a covert mission!
Now, the name calling of peeps in here coming up with theories boggles me too - shitty stuff - nothing better to do I guess
do tell your reasons for insulting a fellow human being on this blog for trying to piece together reasons regarding a woman who lied to her country, foreign officials, her comrades and used all the while using YOUR TAXPAYING dollars to do that and then hide it as well? Wake up folks - this is no rocket science here, the girl lied, whatever reason, she plain out lied
Now grow up and learn how to treat others because the ones in here laughing and bashing bloggers are no better than Jill Metzger for acting out of line
1041. Posted by lurking blogger | September 22, 2006 11:41 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 11:41
1042. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 11:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This was drawn up this a.m. from none other than fellow military Officers here: (who happen to feel this entire Metzger situation is embarrassing and appalling given NO EXPLANATION has been given)
John Doe and Jill went up the hill
to fetch a bucket of wheat
stupid Jill wasn't on the pill
and ended up in a Kant Street
1042. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 11:58 AM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 11:58
1043. Posted by chester | September 22, 2006 12:01 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I just saw this on Al Jazera:
Jill ran away to check in with her terror clan. She converted to Islam while in Kyrgyzstan and joined a terrorist club and Koran study. She publically denounced the American imperialism in the Holy Lands of Allah. She deserted for a few days to get her required terrorist training... she is now waiting as a dedicated sleeper cell.
As an officer with 2 achievement medals, 3 commendation medals and 2 MSMs, (2 time CGOQ winner too), who personally knows Jill since kindergarten, I can tell you that she would never do anything bad to anybody. She loves puppies... do you love puppies? I don't think you do... puppy hater.
The only reason Jill joined the terror club is because they had a member discount for Nike running shoes. Please people... dim wits... stop the rumors... stop it you puppy haters. Let Jill run her marathons in her free terror Nikes.
sheesh... you folks are morons
1043. Posted by chester | September 22, 2006 12:01 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 12:01
1044. Posted by johca | September 22, 2006 12:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL—I’m told these commissioned officers loved puppies:
Dr. James G. Roche has directed that Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Fiscus, the former Judge Advocate General of the Air Force, be retired in the permanent grade of colonel effective Feb. 1, 2005.
Secretary of the Air Force Michael W. Wynne has directed that Brig. Gen. Richard S. Hassan, former director of the Air Force senior leader management office, retire in the permanent grade of colonel effective March 1, 2006.
If I had the time I could find other examples of commissioned officer who love puppies but had flaws of character that finally caught up to them. Thier OERs most certainly said the best-of-the best although those writing the OERs knew otherwise.
1044. Posted by johca | September 22, 2006 12:29 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 12:29
1045. Posted by WhiteHouse Hammer | September 22, 2006 12:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Washington, DC
September 22, 2006
Today, in an unexpected announcement, the Secretary of State, Candy Rice Crispy, declared that the recent incident involving Major Jill Metzger was a planned event. In cooperation with the Kyrgyzstan government, US Military, and American Embassy in Bishkek, the staged incident was part of a “find the flaw” movement in democratic societies.
Under the acronym: STUPID, or Strategic Theory Undermining People In Democracy, the test was supposed to assess the vulnerabilities and shortfalls in communications across a multi-lingual platform. This STUPID test involved a former USSR country, which is now the Republic of Kyrgyzstan. The official language in Kyrgyzstan is Russian, however 97.348438% of the inhabitants speak the native Krygyz language. STUPID, in conjunction with the Idiosyncratic Details In Obscuring Truths (IDIOTs) project, was to play upon a ‘real’ event as it occurred, and its impact on worldwide dissemination of the story.
Ms. Rice further indicated that “STUPID/IDIOTs test is still ongoing, and has in fact picked up momentum. The number of official government participants is estimated to be in the thousands. Unofficial STUPID/IDIOTs participating are at present too high to be counted.” It’s unclear if Ms. Rice meant too ‘high’, or too HIGH.
She also added that Major Metzger was recovering from her “traumatic” experience, noting further that Major Metzger’s spontaneous ‘additions’ (ie, stopping for haircut and dye job, trance inducing notes, bombs, etc) to the project agenda may skew the overall results.
Stay tuned to this forum for further announcements.
1045. Posted by WhiteHouse Hammer | September 22, 2006 12:39 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 12:39
1046. Posted by Just a comment | September 22, 2006 12:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
A friend at work showed me this blog and gave me a link to the Major Metzger story. I want to say I am angry that the Air Force has not come forward and declared this crazy girl a liar already. I mean are you people for real. If this was an Army private his @ss would be hung out to dry by now. I have a nephew in Iraq and if he is willing to lose his life fighting for freedom I think the least he deserves is knowing he will never have to report to some crazy girl that runs away and comes up with wild tales to tell. I read some of the stories here about Jill was my friend and blah blah blah but I didn't read any stories about Jill was my boss and she was a really good one. Or I reported to Major Metzger and she was a fair leader so treat her fairly. That makes me think that she was never such a good boss usually the troops are the ones to know the best. I am sure some of you officers will come in here and insult my statement and I don't care I don't want my nephew saluting you either!
1046. Posted by Just a comment | September 22, 2006 12:54 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 12:54
1047. Posted by ll | September 22, 2006 1:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G,
You are obviously a femail dog.
Scratch that. A high minded, bull dyke, femail dog. Get a life woman. Damn
1047. Posted by ll | September 22, 2006 1:55 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 13:55
1048. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 1:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL, reading some of this posts and actually well, laughing out loud! imagine that.
Just a Comment: I commend your ability to stand up to what this AF Officer has done. I come from a long family of enlisted Army and some Officers (I will not even tell you what I am). I have a respect for enlisted Army who play by the rules, even more of a respect for Officers WHO CAN AND WILL have the guts and courage to KNOW this fellow Officer has done wrong - in more ways than just "lying" to the military, government and anyone in her path. This is deeper than that. An Officer who would stand by her and commit to saying she has done nothing wrong is merely cowardly brown-nosing and stands with no guts, glory or INTEGRITY....
Just a Comment: Your nephew, I am almost sure, is in good hands. Most Officers truly CARE about their soldiers, most even more than themselves and would put their lives on the line for them. I have seen it many many times....you are justified with what you write....
1048. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 1:58 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 13:58
1049. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 2:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
11: I see another jealous fan of mine you are - good. I hope it made you feel better to write all that. I have a very good life thank you very much. Just came back from a splendid lunch with fellow comrades and we sure did talk about this blog area and how Jill Metzger has lost nearly all integrity amongst fellow military personnel. I take it you name calling means you have a life?? No, did not think so. Again, hope it made you feel better to come into a blog area and write that. Never been called a female dog, but hey, they are rather cute, loyal, lovable little creatures aren't they? and by golly, they love to play with big dogs and always take care of their puppies....splendid! and oh yes, high minded?? ah, ya better take a look in the mirror because name calling comes from people who think they are high minded, but are really low minded, who can't play with big dogs and never take care of puppies and usually bite their fellow puppies - are you a puppy 11???? Thought so.....
1049. Posted by Deb G. | September 22, 2006 2:08 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 14:08
1050. Posted by ValleyGurl | September 22, 2006 3:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ummmm... 'scuse me, but can I, like, uhhh, get just one minute of your fab time here, Debbie dearie.
It's really becoming apparent to me, even the beauty blone that I am, that you are like trying to take over the internet. Like, give it a rest, gurl. Maybe if you were real babe - like me!!! you wouldnt have the probs you are experiencing.. you know..like, my heart really goes out to you, I mean, you seem like a nice ol' lady and all, but the peeps are like, you know what I'm saying right?!
Anyways, like if you really don't have much to do this weekend you and i could like hook up with some guys ya' know.
1050. Posted by ValleyGurl | September 22, 2006 3:35 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 15:35
1051. Posted by Happy | September 22, 2006 5:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow. I am confused. I stopped by to look for any updates on “Where is Jill Metzger” and all I saw were posts about “Deb G, Deb G, Deb G”. I minimized my browser (which is really easy to do, some of you should try it) and did a quick search on Google looking for anything that might reference: “Deb G went missing in Kyrgyzstan” or “Jill Metzger legally changes her name to Deb G”. Guess what? Nothing! I am sure you can understand why this is perplexing to me as the SUBJECT OF THIS BLOG IS "WHERE IS JILL METZGER". Anyone wanting to obsess about Deb G should create your own blog! If you don't want to read Deb's posts, skip over them. The blogging concept is not rocket science. Whew. I need a glass o’ wine.
BTW-->Valleygurl: your pitiful attempt at trying to be clever was lost with your tragically limited understanding of the “valley girl” dialect. Dull people shouldn’t try to be witty.
1051. Posted by Happy | September 22, 2006 5:25 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 17:25
1052. Posted by Shrink | September 22, 2006 7:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yup, I'm with Happy.
It's almost sundown, so I gotta go.
I'll look forward to some pithy posts by Monday, y'all!
1052. Posted by Shrink | September 22, 2006 7:04 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 19:04
1053. Posted by Maj. F@Shaw | September 22, 2006 7:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Holy flipping flyrods! To the fans of DEB G.: you are making real idiots out of yourselves! Jealousy is OBVIOUS here girls. DEB G. is apparently and realistically the most intelligent women on this blog (happy is right with her though) and I see nothing in her posts which warrant the attacks she gets. However, I ADMIRE her for staying in here with obvious folks who are on the same level - you guys are really lame. You attack Deb at any level you can, however, stand up for Jill Metzger....duh duh and more duh......I also see that Deb G. does not really care what any of you say against her. Must be tough living in your rotten little worlds and heads to be so insecure that you post against a blogger.....The ONLY people on the blog looking really STUPID, DESPERATE AND PATHETIC are the ones blogging against her. Get over it folks, you will never be like her, don't have the class she has nor the intelligence - you just don't get it.....and valley gurl - what a terrible attempt at insulting someone - get a grip or a brain.
1053. Posted by Maj. F@Shaw | September 22, 2006 7:08 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 19:08
1054. Posted by Lurking Susan | September 22, 2006 7:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy and Maj. F: I'm with you! I enjoy Deb G.'s posts. She is not even here to blog back to these shitheads right now. JEALOUSY is written all over the idiots posting to her. She offers some awesome theories and I usually just lurk, but she is right on. Bunch of hypocrites - don't say this or that about Jill, but do say this or that about Deb. JEALOUS, and they have nothing to offer here.
1054. Posted by Lurking Susan | September 22, 2006 7:25 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 19:25
1055. Posted by Army Dude | September 22, 2006 7:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G. ROCKS! Nuff' said.
I usually lurk too, but all you MOFO's posting shit to her, get a life and some class, maybe even some intelligence. Deb knows what the pathetic Jill Metzger has done to our country, to our military and to our civilian population. This whore lied to EVERYONE. Deb G. has the integrity to see it and the courage to write it.
Happy: Beer for you babe, you rock too!!
Any of you idiot shit for brains have a clue as to what might have happened to poor little Jill Metzger???????
1055. Posted by Army Dude | September 22, 2006 7:33 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 19:33
1056. Posted by Lurking Susan | September 22, 2006 7:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Has there been any new news on Jill's situation?
Quiet in here.
1056. Posted by Lurking Susan | September 22, 2006 7:58 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 19:58
1057. Posted by Maj F.@Shaw | September 22, 2006 8:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Over and outta here! Check back latta
1057. Posted by Maj F.@Shaw | September 22, 2006 8:00 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 20:00
1058. Posted by Buster | September 22, 2006 8:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
As long as this board stays active/alive, any new news should spread rather quickly. Don't know a soul who isn't aware of what’s happened or curious as to when or if any official statements are going to be made. Needless to say it's been an embarrassing skid mark on all of us. Stay the course and your eyes/ears open to anything new. Good on y'all.
1058. Posted by Buster | September 22, 2006 8:03 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 20:03
1059. Posted by happy | September 22, 2006 8:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi all...I am back!
I think the only potential update we could possibly get today/this weekend is whether or not Jill and hubby go on their honeymoorn. Think it was scheduled for Sep. 24th.
1059. Posted by happy | September 22, 2006 8:06 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 20:06
1060. Posted by Sickening | September 22, 2006 8:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Any of you brilliant theorists still at work? Got any more articles from foreign papers to fill in the meat.
I have a feeling this board won't ever be staisfied with this case. What is she goes on the honeymoon? Will that convince anyone, or is it just a coverup?
I say forge ahead. Don't wait for the truth. Make that shit up and parade it around like the gospel. Well done lost souls.
1060. Posted by Sickening | September 22, 2006 8:38 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 20:38
1061. Posted by boratisdaddy | September 22, 2006 8:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sick thought we got rid of you. The ho ain't goin on her honeymoon cause you can't have sex for 2 wks after an abortion.
Way to go on putting down foreign press! You are almost as good for our International Diplomacy as that slut metzger.
1061. Posted by boratisdaddy | September 22, 2006 8:42 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 20:42
1062. Posted by lurker | September 22, 2006 11:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Trying to track down the earliest report of JM's disapearance -- this is what I found (filled 18 hours after she went missing):
Soldier of the US Army missing in Kyrgyzstan
06.09.2006 11:01 msk -- 24.kg news agency
A girl, citizen of the US assigned to the Manas AF Base, is missing in Kyrgyzstan. Her name is not revealed "for reasons of security", insiders say.
The girl disappeared from the Central Department Store in Bishkek on September 5. She was seen entering it at about 4 p.m. US Embassy officials claim that she disappeared at some point between 4.15 and 5.15 p.m.
"A girl of the Manas US AF Base personnel is missing. She wandered from a group of other servicemen shopping at the Central Department Store and hasn't been seen anymore," Manas US AF Base press center had local media outlets report.
The command of the 376th Air Wing pooled efforts with the US Embassy and local authorities to find the missing girl. Whoever possesses any information on her whereabouts is kindly asked to call the US Embassy (551-241, extension 4516) or Manas US AF Base (785-139).
The Interior Ministry, National Security Service, and Main Directorate of Internal Affairs of Bishkek are on a lookout for the missing US citizen.
Anybody want to make a call or two and see what news the embassy or base are willing to give?
1062. Posted by lurker | September 22, 2006 11:43 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2006 23:43
1063. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 23, 2006 1:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
06.09.2006 11:01 msk - That's a Moscow time, lurker. Try to be more intelligent than that.
So that'll be
06.09.2006 1:01 pm Bishkek time. Then, we are talking about 20-21 hours time lag here, not 18 hours. Add an additional time that Kyrgyz police was kept in dark by US airbase. It took a while for Kyrgyz police to convince US airbase to submit a case about missing woman. Without those official papers Kyrgyz police could not start search&rescue operation by Kyrgyz Law. It took another day or so to convince US side. So, missing Jill Metzger search operation was significantly delayed by US airbase. And to those who are crying foul about Kyrgyz Police covering their asses - WTF is that? Remember that Jill Metzger was found and rescued by Kyrgyz Police, put that into your records.
Soooo, all that made me suspicious. About the abortion thingie: I wasn't the one who first theorized on this. Credit goes to Mr. Wizbang Poster aka Been there and Deb G. And I do not think that their instincts are failing them.
You know what, I'll call in to NTS TV station, when I'll be visiting Kyrgyzstan, buy off from them the tape with Issyk Ata Clinic Abortion Statement, translate that into English, and will be selling those records like Hot Cakes over the Internet. Yeehaw!!!
1063. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 23, 2006 1:17 AM |
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1064. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 23, 2006 1:26 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And to those with "I have known Jill for a long time. And she never farted once" agenda,
I would tell:
"This happens even to bishop."
1064. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 23, 2006 1:26 AM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 01:26
1065. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 23, 2006 2:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
“You even made an entry in Wikipedia, citing a Theodore’s World discussion board and your own rumor! You obviously have an agenda, and are using unscrupulous methods to accomplish it.”
I am not affiliated with Wikipedia, but I would love to learn how to make an entries there.
As far as I know, those entries were made by someone from Canada.
Postings in Theodore’s World discussion board are mine.
‘Cause I believe in freedom of speech.
1065. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 23, 2006 2:15 AM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 02:15
1066. Posted by lurker | September 23, 2006 6:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OK, msk... so I might be off by 2 hours. Close enough I think -- I was just trying to get an approximate timeline (she went missing between 4 & 5pm and the story got out around noon the next day). There was also a report posted that same day (the 6th) that a press conference was held, which is apparently when her name first "got out". I won't argue the delays before "those official papers" allowed the police search to start (I don't have confirming data yet). No reason to doubt Krygyz police getting there first when she was found, although one report said she was found "stumbling around in the street after a tip" whereas another had her at the home where she had knocked.
I have reason to doubt your supposed ignorance of wikipedia, but I would fight for your right to say/post what you want.
1066. Posted by lurker | September 23, 2006 6:04 AM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 06:04
1067. Posted by ikj | September 23, 2006 11:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What's the word at Moody? Surely someone in the greater Valdosta area has either seen her or knows if she went to Jamaca-mon.
1067. Posted by ikj | September 23, 2006 11:55 AM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 11:55
1068. Posted by Dorothy | September 23, 2006 6:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh come on, "Deb G"...give it a rest. Go back and read your posts and see if the word "asinine" doesn't come to mind. All the little games you play with your different posting names is pathetic...not to mention you write like a 7th grader. You're incredibly dishonest and deceptive, which I obviously don't need to tell you because you already know that. But do you know how transparent you are? I doubt it. Like you, I'm not buying Jill Metzger's story, but I don't think it's necessary to be an immature jerk about it.
1068. Posted by Dorothy | September 23, 2006 6:15 PM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 18:15
1069. Posted by Buster | September 23, 2006 6:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey Dorothy, I think we can all settle this like adults Mrs. Poopy-pants.
1069. Posted by Buster | September 23, 2006 6:51 PM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 18:51
1070. Posted by Deb G. | September 23, 2006 7:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dorothy: Shame you are an incredibly ignorant and JEALOUS person for writing what you just did not to mention pretty darn DUMB. Not that I have ANY reason to explain anything to you, but to prove your ignoramous: Let's see here, I left from work yesterday somewhere right around 2:30, met with some friends, drove to Wilmington (no computer access in vehicle, sorry and not desperate enough to take my laptop with me), had a GREAT dinner, got up early to go diving (saw the German submarine off the coast of NC - are you familiar with it Dorothy, no did not think so - and even a few barracudas and some other goodies (took us a while though to get going as our original charter cancelled our trip due to weather and underwater currents), and low and behold just got home and came on here to see any new theories or news and I come on here to find YOU posting to me - IMAGINE THAT. So, for your little tiny record, I have not posted under any of the above names from yesterday except well, Deb G. so it is with great pleasure that I can say you just made a FOOL out of yourself for ASSUMING, SPECULATING, THEORIZING without ANY known facts that I am posting under any different name and for another part of your record, I actually email a few of the girls and even some of the guys now who have come into this room and we think you are a complete idiot. Hard to believe that there are people who come on her and lurk here who like me isn't it?????? well, seeing how NOONE has any reason not to because I am only here to learn anything about an AF Officer who lied to her country and have some fun, unlike YOU who comes in here due to your insane jealousy, need for control and lack of self esteem/confidence and need to bash while sitting behind a computer because you suffer from some inside form of "not liking yourself", and for your other tiny little record, only 7th graders (and in between there) write nasty posts regarding a blogger - kind of like giggling and wanting to beat up on the smarter kids in grade school - remember that Dorothy?? Thought so, because you are right back there...LOL pathetic little mind you have. Only transparent people on here are the ones who believe Jill Metzger did NOTHING wrong (and the ones who post against bloggers). I don't have to ask you anymore why you would post against a blogger and bash someone because I know the answer "HATE AND JEALOUSY" LOLOLOL now, DOROTHY, go back to the Wizard of Oz and find toto, the little puppy needs his wicked mommy...
1070. Posted by Deb G. | September 23, 2006 7:07 PM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 19:07
1071. Posted by Deb G. | September 23, 2006 7:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Buster: LMAO
1071. Posted by Deb G. | September 23, 2006 7:12 PM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 19:12
1072. Posted by Buster | September 23, 2006 8:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The whole issue of attacking posters is getting a little old. If any of these people were shedding any new nuggets of info contrary to those posted here it's one thing; but these goobs just don't seem to have anything better to do. There have to be people out there that know something, just wish someone would talk. No worries Deb, there are plenty of people here who've got your 6 covered.
1072. Posted by Buster | September 23, 2006 8:37 PM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 20:37
1073. Posted by Deb G. | September 23, 2006 9:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Buster: Thanks, no worries here. I have to laugh though, these "goobs" (I like that word) are now going to think I am posting as you (Buster) too. LOLOL - yup getting old...I keep coming back here looking for any answers. I am certainl this is ticking off many military folks and taxpaying civilians too. A huge announcement of a kidnapped AF Officer and now nothing, no explanation. I can't help but wonder if the AF truly did not know anything and are piecing it together....hopefully, soon enough, we will be told something - even if they cover for a possible abortion theory, at least say SOMETHING...
1073. Posted by Deb G. | September 23, 2006 9:07 PM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 21:07
1074. Posted by johca | September 23, 2006 9:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I doubt this is simple inquiry that can be fast tracked. I doubt the Air Force will make any news release until October at the earliest.
The way I figure is 30-45 for inquiry into all the facts and truths and another 20 days minimium for all the lawyers to scrub to ensure all the 'i's are dotted and 't's are crossed in any press release.
1074. Posted by johca | September 23, 2006 9:35 PM |
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Posted on September 23, 2006 21:35
1075. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 24, 2006 1:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi all,
Some more clues from following web site:
http://www.tazar.kg/news.php?i=1830
При дополнительном просмотре видеозаписи службы безопасности ЦУМа рядом с майором Мецгер был зафиксирован мужчина примерно 35 лет, с залысиной. Он же в 16 часов 23 минуты ожидал американку Мецгер на первом этаже у эскалатора. И при покупке губной помады в косметическом отделе находился на расстоянии трех метров от нее. Сотрудники уголовного розыска ничего не утверждают, но намеками дают понять, что речь идет о банальной житейской истории, которая вряд ли получит широкую огласку.
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Translation:
During additional checks of security camera records, there was a man, approx. 35 years old, with baldish looking hair, standing near Jill Metzger. The same man was waiting for Jill Metzger, around 16:23pm local time, near escalator on the ground floor. He was also standing near Jill Metzger, when she went buying lipstick.
Detectives of Kyrgyz police are not making any statements about that, but are hinting at some interesting everyday life situation, that will be kept confident.
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Not really much. Oh, and, for Lurker, who is reconstructing timeline of events:
http://www.24.kg/community/2006/09/08/6657.html
"При проведении оперативно-розыскных мероприятий стало известно, что Джил Мецгер, зайдя в ЦУМ в 16.15 вместе с сослуживицей, сержантом Браунс и поднявшись на второй этаж, разошлись в разные стороны универмага в 16.18. Это подтверждает изъятая у службы безопасности ЦУМа видеозапись."
After some reconstruction of events, it became known, that Jill Metzger entered TSUM shopping mall around 16.15 (4.15pm Bishkek time) with sergeant Browns, and after going to the first floor, they were separated around 16.18 (4.18pm Bishkek time) This is confirmed by checking security camera records.
1075. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 24, 2006 1:06 AM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 01:06
1076. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 24, 2006 1:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"That's why I don't believe you. I think you are lying and have made up that rumor, which you are spreading with single-minded determination and zeal. You even made an entry in Wikipedia, citing a Theodore's World discussion board and your own rumor! You obviously have an agenda, and are using unscrupulous methods to accomplish it.
Though you have successfully had some people on this blog believe your rumor - it doesn't wash. The most rudimentary examination of your claims show them to be unfounded and unproven. There has been NO MENTION in any online Kyrgyz media - NONE - of such a rumor.
Maybe this is how they do things in Kyrgyz, where the dumb and uneducated (like some on this blog) are made easily malleable by rumor-mongering. The peasants believe you, Kuba - aren't you the smart one?
Kuba, quit playing seedy games with the life and reputation of a woman you've never met.
And that goes for the rest of you, too. It's sad and pathetic.
BTW, lurker, you are 100% correct about a few highly creative posters on this board - just don't blow their cover, eh? ;) Idiots abound, as you've plainly seen.
Posted by: another lurker"
And my answer is:
Someone cross posted stuff in the Wikipedia, made it look like that was done by me, and, took it out after short while, hoping to compromise me. Interesting situation.
"Maybe this is how they do things in Kyrgyz"
I do not know, looks like I am on the right track, and someone is, well, obsessed with covering up the lies Jill made.
There is a saying - "The night is at the darkest just before the dawn".
1076. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 24, 2006 1:18 AM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 01:18
1077. Posted by Shrink | September 24, 2006 5:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Deb G--
I've heard that wreck is a tough dive, lots of currents. True? Also, what was the water temp like? If you want, feel free to contact off the board, I'd love to hear about it.
I've gotta admit I'm a wuss diver. I like my water at no less than 85 degrees. Mostly head WAY south. Grenada has some pristine sites, especially at the north end of the island.
Hmm, wonder if Jill and Josh are going diving on their honeymoon?
Actually, I'm wondering if they are GOING on their honeymoon. Someone must know if she/they are still hanging around Valdosta or have gone off to drink Red Stripe and listen to Ziggy.
1077. Posted by Shrink | September 24, 2006 5:48 AM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 05:48
1078. Posted by Deb G. | September 24, 2006 11:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Have not heard anything about the honeymoon. I wonder if the media will catch it if they do leave. Had a blogger who talked about driving by her parents house and perhaps stopping in to chat with Mom and Dad LOL - now that's persistence and courage! Golfed this a.m. with soome folks to include a lady and man who are both LTC's in the AF at Pope. They seem to know quite a bit about quite a bit and they stated that they believe the Air Force is doing a thorough investigation of the TRUE FACTS surrounding this case - thorough to make sure they have this story straight. They do not think Command at Moody will cover anything, unless, an abortion comes in to play as that would be similar to not relaying someone had cancer or a terminal illness or a tumor, etc..(did not think about that) and that is a privacy issue at that point. However, they did think something would be said in regards to NO ABDUCTION TAKING PLACE.
Shrink: The dive did have lots of currents, but not so bad. The weather caused cancellations on several charters due to those currents so, on average, I don't think the currents might be so bad ALL THE TIME. Temp was 78 degrees and the U-352 is down at approximately 115' and visibility was near 80% (a good thing). It is one of the dives most would like to see, however, yes, you are correct, I have heard there are many fatalities and accidents there. I did not go in at any point, did not see any point to go in and the outside is pretty much rusted away, but the history of this sub and the sinking by a Coast Guard cutter is worth the trip. We were told 17 men died and some were taken as POWs back to Charleston, SC. I was certified in Rockport, MA in the month of October (COLD) so 78 degrees is OK for me! I usually go to Harbour Island, Bahamas as some friends have a home there - GORGEOUS DIVING if you ever want to go to a great serene location (look up "Valentine's Dive Shop"), but several smaller sharks at the tip going out of the Harbour. Never have seen them be aggressive, but have heard larger ones occasionally come in.
1078. Posted by Deb G. | September 24, 2006 11:23 AM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 11:23
1079. Posted by Shrink | September 24, 2006 1:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oy! MA in OCTOBER???
I live in a warm state, so I'm not much into the cold any longer. A disgrace to my New England upbringing!
Done the Bahamas. They are close by. Love the out islands. I never go into a wreck unless I can see more than one way out. Love the adventure, but I'm cautious.
Glad to hear the rumor on the street is that the AF will do "the right thing" re an investigation.
Nothing wrong with making sure all the facts are in, and it's all the whole truth and nothing but.
No one wants to see her hung if it was something beyond her control (ie, some sort of criminal activity, mugging gone bad, abduction for ransome and they said, "Whoops, shouldn't have grabbed this touristieve"--not that I think it was) or if it was all some sort of misunderstanding.
However, IF there's something else going on and she put herself in the situation, I don't want to see her get the "resignation" option when an enlisted kid would get nailed. Not right, and it doesn't reflect well on the officer corps of any service.
As the wife, daughter and grand-daughter of officers, it was always my understanding that they were supposed to set the example, not get away with things because of a superior position in the pecking order.
1079. Posted by Shrink | September 24, 2006 1:58 PM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 13:58
1080. Posted by johca | September 24, 2006 2:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
“…They do not think Command at Moody will cover anything…” Meaning full and complete disclosure at all other than unexpected treatment of a medical condition. Nope—the Air Force often only discloses in an official press release what it can’t avoid releasing into public domain. No more, no less. It doesn’t matter whether accident, wrong-doing, or anything else. The more complete release into public domain will most probably require a news agency filing of a Freedom of Information act request.
Presuming no abduction taking place and the Air Force disclosing accurately and completely the circumstances, situations and events of what happened and why. The personal accountability for wrong-doing should most certainly be determined by a convened courts-martial regardless of any mitigation factor of loss of mental capacity or mental responsibility. Since this is a time of war (Global War on Terrorism) it is perhaps fortunate for the Major that she was not deployed into a Theater of War, Theater of Operations, Joint Special Operations Area, or combat zone as this allows avoidance of a Courts-Martial considering the imposing of maximum “in time of war” punishment where AWOL, missing movement, and other offenses may result in punishable by death conviction.
Possible punitive Articles that may be appropriate if worse case presumptions are correct:
Article 86-Absent without Leave—absents himself/herself or remains absent from his/her unit, organization, or place of duty at which he or she is required to be at the time prescribed. Includes also Absence from unit, organization, or place of duty at which he or she was required to be at. Requires that the absence was without authority from anyone competent to giver him or her leave and the absence was for a certain period of time.
Article 92-Failure to obey order or regulation—violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation. (basically a dereliction in duties).
Article 107-False Official Statements. Any attempt to deceive, signs any false record, return, regulation, order, or other false official statement knowing it to be false, or makes any false statement knowing it to be false with the intent to deceive.
Article 133-Conduct unbecoming an Officer and Gentleman (applies to both gender)—action or behavior in an official capacity which, in dishonoring disgracing the person as an officer, seriously compromises the officer’s character as a gentleman, or action or behavior in an unofficial or private capacity which, in disgracing the officer personally, seriously compromises the persons standing as an officer. It concerns lack of moral character.
Article 134-General Article—catch all such as: neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces and conduct brining discredit upon the armed forces.
Article 134-Adultry
1080. Posted by johca | September 24, 2006 2:42 PM |
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1081. Posted by johca | September 24, 2006 3:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This situation became public in Jun 2006. Basically nothing about news about until after the conclusion of each courts-martial.
Captain pleads to sex charge--Found guilty of obstruction
Same courts-martial as published in AF Times.
September 25, 2006
Captain given 60 days in Patrick sex case
Verdict allows honorable discharge
A captain at Patrick Air Force Base, Fla., will serve time in jail for his role in a complex sex scandal, but he avoided a bad-conduct discharge.
Capt. Philip A. Sting, former operations officer for Patrick’s 45th Security Forces Squadron, was sentenced Sept. 13 to 60 days confinement, forfeiture of $2,250 a month for three months and a reprimand.
Sting pleaded guilty Sept. 12 to having sex with a female noncommissioned officer and committing indecent acts. He pleaded not guilty to a charge of obstructing justice but was convicted of trying to get the female NCO to cover up evidence of their tryst.
Sting faced up to 12 years in prison and dismissal from the Air Force, but prosecutors had asked only for the dismissal.
Instead, military judge Col. Stephen Woody issued a sentence that will likely end Sting’s career but will allow him to separate honorably.
Sting is the third airman and only officer to face a court-martial for involvement with Staff Sgt. Mary Laurenzi, an Air Force reservist who was serving extended active duty with the squadron.
Laurenzi testified in the July trial of then-Senior Master Sgt. Michael F. Sydney that her relationship with Sydney became sexual within days of reporting to the unit in October 2004.
Laurenzi testified in both Sydney’s and Sting’s trials under a grant of immunity from prosecution. She said she believed that Sydney could have had her active-duty orders canceled if she did not have sex with him.
But she also admitted to being a willing participant in their relationship, including having sexual relations with two other individuals, Sting and a chief master sergeant who was an Inspector General inspector, at Sydney’s direction.
Sting testified that shortly after he returned from deployment in Iraq in late 2004, Sydney took him out for what he thought would be lunch. Instead, they ended up at Laurenzi’s apartment, where Sydney directed her to perform oral sex on Sting.
Sting claimed he was under severe emotional stress after the deployment and that Sydney, his operations NCO, seemed to be the only one who understood him.
Sting said even before the sexual incident Dec. 16, 2004, that Sydney had been pressuring him to have sex with Laurenzi as a release.
He said, “This will help you with your issues. Your country owes you this,” Sting said.
An Air Force psychologist testified that Sting has been suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of his combat experiences in Iraq. The sentencing phase of the trial also included a reading of glowing reviews of Sting’s combat service from his superiors there and a tearful plea from his mother to the judge to allow her son to continue his service to his country.
”I just want you to show mercy to my son. Please allow him to continue in the military,” Olga Sting pleaded with Woody.
Sting’s sentence reflects those given to others in the case.
In July, Sydney, a 23-year veteran was sentenced to a reprimand, reduction to E-4, forfeiture of $1,145 a month for six months and six months’ confinement. Sydney was convicted on a variety of sexual charges, including pandering by arranging for Laurenzi to have sex with other men.
Former Chief Master Sgt. Troy D. Parker, a friend of Sydney’s who in 2005 was the lead security forces inspector for Space Command, pleaded guilty in May to dereliction of duty and wrongfully engaging in sexual acts with Laurenzi in May 2005, when he was at Patrick to perform an inspection.
Parker was reduced to senior master sergeant and sentenced to 45 days’ hard labor without confinement, forfeiture of $1,000 a month for three months and a reprimand.
1081. Posted by johca | September 24, 2006 3:59 PM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 15:59
1082. Posted by Julie | September 24, 2006 6:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I usually lurk but finally have decided to chime in. To all the “anti-Deb G.” folks out there-get a more firm grip on reality. If you have such low self esteem and lack of confidence and in your ability to post on this board, perhaps you should not be partaking in the discussion. Deb G. and the other women on this board offer articulate, intelligent and engaging theories about Major Metzger’s disappearance. It is not a competition here but a place for people to engage in banter, theorizing and meaningful debate.
***Graphic Discussion About Abortion Theory Below***
On the other hand, I have to say that I have professional experience in the abortion arena. I certainly think this is a plausible theory. From my experience, regardless of a woman’s profession, commissioned officer, physician, or welfare recipient, when she finds herself with an unintended pregnancy, she may find herself not thinking clearly and panicked if she feels she needs to hide the abortion. She may have done whatever she felt necessary to get to the clinic, thinking she would only be gone for a short period of time. But as stated previously, due to complications was detained.
With an abortion there are a number of complications. The perforated uterus mentioned earlier, hemorrhage, an allergic reaction to medications given during the procedure, commonly versed and fentanyl but who knows what is used there, retained products of conception which if not removed can cause sepsis and other more rare complications depending on the use of ultrasound equipment prior to the abortion procedure. The blood following the procedure can be quite heavy at times. Much unlike any period a woman has had. Not to be graphic, but may explain the blood on her feet.
With HIPPA privacy laws in the United States I can’t imagine that the AF will or could ever state that she was absent due to a medical reason like terminating a pregnancy. Like Deb G. said earlier, it would be the equivalent of stating that someone had cancer…or went to have their Chlamydia treated. Obviously something you don’t want the world to know. But, something we, as the public who prayed in her time of need but then feel duped by the seeming lies feel we have a right to know. Surely there must be some compromise.
Thanks for the entertaining times, you guys are a hoot.
1082. Posted by Julie | September 24, 2006 6:56 PM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 18:56
1083. Posted by VR | September 24, 2006 10:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I ran across this old news from the Rocky Mtn News on-line:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4980313,00.html
It may have already posted here, but I hadn't seen it. It has a wedding photo of the happy pair and some odd info: Jill wanted to wear her dress blues to her own wedding but Josh said she had to wear a white dress. Also says that Josh stated she looked "swollen and bruised" after her recovery.
1083. Posted by VR | September 24, 2006 10:36 PM |
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Posted on September 24, 2006 22:36
1084. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 24, 2006 11:03 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmm. Very interesting.
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4980313,00.html
The couple met in 2003 at Ramstein Air Base in Germany. Not long after they met, Mayo broke his leg making a slide tackle.
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Then, there was a bad omen then for poor Josh. Sort of Heaven's warning.
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Maj. Jill Metzger, 33, and Capt. Joshua Mayo, 26, on their wedding day this year.
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This one makes me ponder about unusual age difference. Not very much ordinary couple, I'd say.
1084. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 24, 2006 11:03 PM |
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1085. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 25, 2006 6:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Found this on the following web site:
http://www.militarycorruption.com/metzger.htm
TIGHT-LIPPED, EVEN TO FAMILY MEMBERS
Metzger's new husband, Capt. Joshua Mayo, told the Denver POST his wife had spoken to him in a brief call once she was "freed." Below is a portion of the reported conversation:
(MAYO) - "Are you hurt?"
(METZGER) - "I've been told not to discuss that."
(MAYO) - "Well, what happened then? Are you injured or anything?"
(METZGER) "I'm fine. Because there's an investigation, I'm not supposed to discuss it."
Hmmmmmmm!
Metzger's father-in-law, Kelly Mayo, added more fuel to speculative fires when he told the Associated Press that Air Force OSI (Office of Special Investigations) agents told him on the telephone that Maj. Metger's hair had been "cut off" and she had been "badly beaten."
MilitaryCorruption.com asked a photo analysis expert to study pix of Metzger being reunited with family members in the United States. He stated that, under magnification, the image shows the young woman to be "unbruised around the face" and "possibly wearing a heavy, brown wig." In earlier Air Force photographs taken a couple months ago, Metzger's hair was short and rather thin. It was blonde then, brown now. Why such a thick mane, unless it's a fake?
1085. Posted by Kuba Kyrgyz | September 25, 2006 6:16 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 06:16
1086. Posted by Deb G. | September 25, 2006 7:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kuba: Interesting article. I have no idea what your agenda is nor do I care to try and "figure it out", however, I give you credit for your persistence in what you believe in here - that an AF Officer has lied and you obviously have a passion to get the truth. You also realize how wrong this is, and I actually look forward to the information you find and provide here - thank you.
Julie: Welcome to the ranks of being another intelligent blogger in this blog area. Enjoyed reading your info. (thanks for covering my back) :-)
1086. Posted by Deb G. | September 25, 2006 7:27 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 07:27
1087. Posted by Shrink | September 25, 2006 7:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just wondering if anyone had heard about this prior to now?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060924/ap_on_re_us/diver_deaths
I am in no way comparing this to the Major Jill situation. Interested as a diver (albeit one who doesn't "do" cold), period.
The Coasties are supposed to be really good at this kind of stuff. Johca, any of you SOC types, ideas/comments?
1087. Posted by Shrink | September 25, 2006 7:54 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 07:54
1088. Posted by Happy | September 25, 2006 8:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi everyone. I don't have lots of time to post this morning, but wanted to throw something out here. Does anyone know when in 2003 the couple started dating? If my instincts are correct, Jill was never loyal to Josh from the beginning. If they started dating between January - June 2003 she started off the relationship cheating on him. How do I know this? Because the emails I received gave me specific dates about when she and my ex started hooking up. Funny, she was so proud of giving me every fact/dates/details about her relationship with my ex...now I am glad she did : )
1088. Posted by Happy | September 25, 2006 8:24 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 08:24
1089. Posted by VR | September 25, 2006 9:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Happy, what are you waiting for?
POST THE E-MAILS
1089. Posted by VR | September 25, 2006 9:39 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 09:39
1090. Posted by Deb G. | September 25, 2006 9:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink: WOW! I was just reading this article this a.m., but did not even think of bringing it up on here. I have no idea about what happened out there, however, I can offer this (oh boy, more theories) being a New England diver and have friends who have diving skills in ice water diving (I don't). I have heard of stories where a condition called "after dive" occures from a diver in thermal shock or hypothermia being HANDLED IMPROPERLY which can cause dangerous rhythyms of the heart and then a severe drop in body temp leading to death. When I read the article, this is what I thought about as BOTH divers died AFTER they were brought on board and obviously "handled" and moved around. The fact they claim it is "mysterious" led me to believe they might be covering for possible "fault" on the handling of two severely hypotermic divers. Ice diving is extremely dangerous and any part of thier suits which may have had even a tiny tear/hole or improper gear can cause severe hypotermia, loss of consciousness, organ failure and death WTIHIN MINUTES. I know there are MANY dangers to ice diving, free flows, bubbles, the list goes on for the dangers here so who knows, but the above it what came to my mind given they say it is a mystery (can't help but feel an autopsy would have shown what happened(. Well, more theories and speculations, but that is MY two cents....
Happy: Your information could be VERY valuable to Moody personnel. I can imagine they are piecing together Jill's past right about now, and her personnel life will come into play. If you have emails and proof of her "doings" perhaps you should contact someone at Moody. Kudos to you girl for KEEPING ALL THAT!! I don't care what anyone says, at this point, HER PERSONAL LIFE IS GAME GIVEN THE SILENCE in the fact it may have something to do with the reasons as to why she did what she just did - whatever it is she just did....
1090. Posted by Deb G. | September 25, 2006 9:42 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 09:42
1091. Posted by Deb G. | September 25, 2006 9:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Shrink: Hypothermia and thermal shock in ice water happens almost immediately with improper gear or tears or any type of opening. This is why they took all the gear off the boat immeidately to inspect them all I am sure for these reasons.
Happy: POST THE EMAILS..... :-) Heck, she will not tell us the truth, she has lied to the entire world essentially and offers no explanation - none. Betrayal to so many for making them believe she was kidnapped, people saying vigiles, praying, TONS of taxpayer and military money being spent on trying to find her, post the emails if you feel like it.
1091. Posted by Deb G. | September 25, 2006 9:51 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 09:51
1092. Posted by lurker | September 25, 2006 10:18 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
VR: Dang it you beat me to it :-) ... I also found and was going to post the Rock Mnt article, along with this one
http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/storage/paper660/news/2006/09/13/News/Missing.Soldier.Wife.Of.Nd.Grad.Found-2269112.shtml
where Mayo calls a Notre Dame classmate (girlfriend?) during the start of the "ordeal" and after she was found.
Happy: enough with the tease -- lets see them!
1092. Posted by lurker | September 25, 2006 10:18 AM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 10:18
1093. Posted by ijosha (formerly lurker) | September 25, 2006 12:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
O.K., I guess I can't consider myself a lurker any more, since I've started posting almost every day now.
Shrink & Deb G.: we are cluttering up this thread with VERY off topic stuff, but here goes... Talking it over with fellow divers here at work, we concur that the ultimate cause of death might have been improper handling, but the original cause of distress (obvious within the first 10 minutes of the dive) is most likely equipment failure or a "bad fill" -- I tend to believe the later especially since both divers were affected similarly (both needing CPR). Thought you'd like to read the last of the XO's weekly reports: http://www.uscg.mil/pacarea/healy/deployments/AWS06/XO/AUG%2021/21%20AUG%2006%20Update.htm
1093. Posted by ijosha (formerly lurker) | September 25, 2006 12:19 PM |
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Posted on September 25, 2006 12:19
1094. Posted by johca | September 25, 2006 12:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There is a link issue so my post on the dive