I believe many of us on all sides of the issue on how to handle terrorist often look at them as being run by under privileged illiterates and forget how savy they can really be.

By savy I don't mean necessary smart. I mean not out of touch with how the West and Western Media operates.

"Hezbollah, because you care enough to kill the Jews"

Apparently it costs extra to have the cards appear to have been dipped in blood. And with money tight they went with the less theatrical look.

Don't think I want them to have my IP, no thanks on the email after all they are an organization that "uses terrorist tactics".

Hello, Israeli Air Force? Yes, I have a new address to add to your bomb lists. It's the Issa & Sawli Building in Beirut.

You're welcome.

J.

Damn Jay Tea, that comment was terrific!

jpm100: I believe many of us on all sides of the issue on how to handle terrorist often look at them as being run by under privileged illiterates and forget how savy they can really be.

Ahh, but they foster that, don't they? It's much easier to play the victim when the world sees you as the poor, poor, ragamuffin that the mean old Israelis are picking on all the time.

I hope anyone who writes these guys understands that they are going to waste the precious time of our counterintelligence resources who monitor messages to known terrorists.

I don’t know, McCain.

It might be appreciated if someone stuck a line or two in their email that threw some props to the tekkies at NSA….

tangental to this thread...

ya do gotta love alReuters. Israel cut the bridge to Syria that was being used to fresh FIGHTERS and MISSILES in. but alReuters see it differently. headline:
"Bridge bombing paralyses Lebanon aid pipeline"

looks like the Hezbullshit Media wing is doing its job!!

You know Justrand, your comment made me think of how EASY their jobs are. I mean, pitching the cause of Hizbullah to the MSM would be like trying to give a free drink to a Kennedy (sorry, I couldn't resist that one...)

Or how about, does the charter of Yahoo Corp. have any verbage about foregoing any organization that advocates hatred? You know many of the left leaning corps have that in. So if that is the case for Yahoo lets bludgen them with it.

"Bridge bombing paralyses Lebanon aid pipeline"

What is factually incorrect about that statement?
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why not the alternative headline:
"Depraved Hizbollah terrorists destroyed Lebanon and its people".

BTW, one more alternative headlines
"Bridge bombing reduced resupply-pipeline to Hez terrorists".

am i the only one wondering why the cards are written in english, without any apparent arabic writing anywhere other than in the logo?

gee, Lefty, several others have already commented on your "what is factually incorrect?" response...but here's one more.

What's wrong is that it focuses on the Hezbullshit spin of implying that the main effect if not the INTENT of the bombing was to choke off aid. The main effect AND the intent was to choke off TERRORISTS and their supplies.

in 1943 the famous "Dam Busters" of the RAF destroyed several key dams in the Ruhr valley. Two headlines were possible from this:

(1) RAF destroys Ruhr valley dams to cripple German war machine

(2) RAF destroys Ruhr valley dams depriving millions of women, children and puppies of water!

at least in WWII the press was reasonable enough to use headline #1. Even though there would have been nothing "factually incorrect" if headline #2 had been used!

Quoted from CNN.com

"This is Lebanon's umbilical cord," Christiane Berthiaume of the World Food Program told AP. "This [road] has been the only way for us to bring in aid. We really need to find other ways to bring relief in."

By arguing the term "aid" is a spin and saying it should say something along the line of hezbollah terrorists, you are spinning it the other way. Journalism involves being impartial, by claiming someone is a terrorist you are already declaring them the enemy when, unless you are Israeli, really have no reason for exerting effort to choose a side.

By arguing the term "aid" is a spin and saying it should say something along the line of hezbollah terrorists, you are spinning it the other way. Journalism involves being impartial, by claiming someone is a terrorist you are already declaring them the enemy when, unless you are Israeli, really have no reason for exerting effort to choose a side.
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I remember Bernard Shaw using the same standard: if a journalist knows that America 's enemies were laying an ambush for American troops, they wouldn't let the military know. They would rather be impartial and let the American troops be killed.

I hope the journalist would move to live under an Islamic utopia and exercise his/her impartiality there.

The same roads are used by Hez terrorists for resupply. The terrorists have used women/children as human shields, UN vehicles, Red Cross ambulance to transport weapons and carried their attacks. Why can't you see that? Personally you don't choose side between Hez terrorists and Is/America?

OK, If by terrorist tactics, you mean breaking over 65 UN resolutions and thumbing their nose at every report that condemns their actions i agree... and by the way, that Isreal's stats.

Lebanon, and more importantly, Hezbollah, have never been the target of any UN resolutions until the last 2 weeks.

Oh, and yes, the 2 Isreali soldiers were captured inside Lebanon, which is perfectly legal as they were aggressors in a sovereign nation, not to mention the fact that the night before those 2 soldiers were captured, Isreal kidnapped 2 civilians from the Gaza strip and they have never been heard from again...

also, the american taxpayers payed every Isreali family over $200,000 to relocate after they pledged to withdraw from the occupied territories last year but refused to pay the victims of Katrina any restitution.... I am a Jew and proud of it, but I am ashamed of Isreal - they are the terrorists - get the facts and don't listen to what the media or Bush's government tell you, they have been lying since day 1.

Vulc,
Don't you think that CNN is trying to spin it in such a way to provide propaganda for the HEz terrorists (given they covered up for Saddam Hussein before and now providing a medium for Hez to spout their agenda)?

I am a Jew and proud of it, but I am ashamed of Isreal - they are the terrorists
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Jedi,
Are you telling the truth? Or you are willfully igrant or simply spinning for the terrorists? If Is are the terrorists, I wonder why those Arab MPs in the Knesset don't take all the Is Arabs out of the country? I know first hand many people like me had to risk torture/death to escape leftist/communist utopia.
If I were you I would run as fast as I can from the terrorist AMerica and Israel. Go to Iran or Syria . to enjoy your Islamic utopia

Matt:

am i the only one wondering why the cards are written in english, without any apparent arabic writing anywhere other than in the logo?

No, I thought about that as well...then it occurred to me which media their job it is to relate to.

Jedi:

OK, If by terrorist tactics, you mean breaking over 65 UN resolutions and thumbing their nose at every report that condemns their actions i agree... and by the way, that Isreal's stats.

65 UN resolutions? Ok, I'm lazy, can you list them or at least the source for this?

Lebanon, and more importantly, Hezbollah, have never been the target of any UN resolutions until the last 2 weeks.

UN resolution 1559, September 2nd, 2004. That's a long two weeks.

Oh, and yes, the 2 Isreali soldiers were captured inside Lebanon, which is perfectly legal as they were aggressors in a sovereign nation, not to mention the fact that the night before those 2 soldiers were captured, Isreal kidnapped 2 civilians from the Gaza strip and they have never been heard from again...

Captured? Kidnapped. If it was the Lebanese army, and the Lebanese army took them from Lebanese soil, it would be a capture. Seeing that none of the above applies, it's a kidnap.

That's right, on Lebanese soil. They were not on Lebanese soil when they were taken, contrary to your...your misinformation?

In the palestinian territories, everyone is a civilian once they drop their weapons, right jedi?

Jedi: "Lebanon, and more importantly, Hezbollah, have never been the target of any UN resolutions until the last 2 weeks."

Apparently the Dumbest Troll competition is heating up...and Jedi takes a huge lead with this one!

Let's see...Resolutions 425, 426, 1308, 1325, 1496, 1525, 1559...

it's always fun to read the text of these resolutions which pretty much always start: "Recalling all its previous resolutions on Lebanon..."
though they leave off the saying "Which didn't work either"]

I know another terrorist organization who's senior officials have business cards. The US government.

Richard West:

I know another terrorist organization who's senior officials have business cards. The US government.

If that were the case, you'd be dead for saying that.

Now go, back to Kos with you. Begone!

FARK brings teh funny...

(~phone ringing, automated voice answers~)

"Hello and thank you for calling Hezbollah. All of our operatives are currently busy at the moment."

(~sounds of mortars firing and shells dropping~)

"Your phone call is important to us, please leave a message and we'll get back to you as soon as we savage Israel completely."

I remember when America faced its own internal terrorist organization, led by not one, but two extremists. We know them as Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X.

In response, a journalist and a citizen are two different things. You cannot expect a civilian of a free country to defend his people because it is his freedom to choose, which we defend, which allows him to decline to defend.

According to the dictionary:
Journalism: The style of writing characteristic of material in newspapers and magazines, consisting of direct presentation of facts or occurrences with little attempt at analysis or interpretation.

Also, no I do not choose sides between Israel and Lebanon because its none of my business. If two people in your town got into a fist fight on the other side of town would you drive over to them and arbitrate?

Middle of the Road,

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

FAKE!!

FAKE!!
Posted by: Adam at August 4, 2006 04:42 PM
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Does it matter if they are fake or not? No.

So, when there done with Israel, do you think you would be safe? Will your words of peace save you from there bullet? Damn sheep!

(Yimach Shmo - may his name and memory be obliterated)

Also, no I do not choose sides between Israel and Lebanon because its none of my business. If two people in your town got into a fist fight on the other side of town would you drive over to them and arbitrate?
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If one is your friend and the other is the criminal who tried to kill your friend and you, you wouldn't be interested?

To help you understand better (unless you are spinning): Is is our democratic ally in the ME; Hez terrorists are the criminals who killed Americans and a proxy for the modern Hitler in Iran. Neutrality in this case is a cover for standing with evil. Decent people know better. That 's why CNN is despicable for all their behaviors so far.

Journalism: The style of writing characteristic of material in newspapers and magazines, consisting of direct presentation of facts or occurrences with little attempt at analysis or interpretation.
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Good point. The fact is that the bridge is destroyed. The spin is that it to cut off aids while didn't mention that its aim was to cut off re-supply to the Hez terrorists. Surprised that I have to explain that ot you.

Ya know, if you squint at the flag, it looks like a mushroom cloud in the background with a skeletal arm holding an AK-47 from a charred corpse...

OK, If by terrorist tactics, you mean breaking over 65 UN resolutions and thumbing their nose at every report that condemns their actions i agree... and by the way, that Isreal's stats.

It is to laugh.

So, Saddam breaks 12 resolutions required in order to comply to the 1991 Gulf War cease-fire, but we should have given them another chance.

Hizb'allah had a UN resolution to dissolve from Lebanon in 2000...have they honoured it yet?

And now you are concerned about UN resolutions vis-a-vis Isreal

Most of those resolutions didn't call for Israel to do anything, but simply to say "shame, shame on you, you bad boy".

http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

Note the language on most of them:

"strongly condemns", "deeply regrets", "deplores", "takes note", a few "urges", and very little "demands".

Now, here is a challenge...find me some UN resolutions (with teeth) against:

The PLO
The PPLP
Syria
Iran (pre 2004)
Iraq (pre 1991)
Palestinean Authority
France
Russia/CCCP

Frankly, if the UN cannot enforce their own resolutions against Iraq, or even currently Iran...it's a pretty moot point.

Also, no I do not choose sides between Israel and Lebanon because its none of my business. If two people in your town got into a fist fight on the other side of town would you drive over to them and arbitrate?

It was none of our business either that in WW-II, Germans were slaughtering Jews either, and they were quite a bit "across town".

Thanks for comparing a war to a honky-tonk knucklefight, we all feel a little more stupid having to read that analogy.

Journalism: The style of writing characteristic of material in newspapers and magazines, consisting of direct presentation of facts or occurrences with little attempt at analysis or interpretation.

Where the hell have you been the past 20 years?

Journalism: The style of writing characteristic of material in newspapers and magazines, consisting of direct presentation of facts or occurrences with little attempt at analysis or interpretation.

Where the hell have you been the past 20 years?

And what drugs have you been ingesting? And, can you pass that spliff?

Justrand:
it's always fun to read the text of these resolutions which pretty much always start: "Recalling all its previous resolutions on Lebanon..."
though they leave off the saying "Which didn't work either"]

And should conclude thusly: "not like we have any backbone to enforce THIS one, either. Oh, look, a cookie!..."

Oh, and yes, the 2 Isreali soldiers were captured inside Lebanon, which is perfectly legal as they were aggressors in a sovereign nation

The august BBC disagrees with that assessment:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5171616.stm

(ahem...)

Lebanese guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid, triggering the first Israeli land incursion into the country since 2000.

Nota bene: by definition, "cross-border" requires one party to leave their territory and enter another.

Class dismissed. No soup for you.

Note also, the "Israel incursion" follows after the "cross-border raid". Cause...effect...cause...effect. Also, note even the BBC states this is the FIRST TIME SINCE 2000 that Israel crossed into Lebanon...you know, the LAST time Lebanon had their arses kicked by Israel.

I remember when America faced its own internal terrorist organization, led by not one, but two extremists. We know them as Martin Luther King Jr

Ah, yes, those video tapes, er, film clips of MLK admonishing his followers to go forth and blow up...er, um,...blow up...,um...help me out here, guys...what did MLK's followers blow up?

I suppose one could make a better case for Malcolm X, though not by much. However, the fact that he was a member of the Nation of ISLAM doesn't exactly score you much points there.

To answer the question of arbic writing on the cards: Yes, there is on the logo. A close up shows that there is writing around the logo picture and to me it looks like arabic.

Very intresting, I even collect business cards. It would be tempting to ask for one, but not sure if I would.