"It is also interesting, historically ... Of the 110 people who have sat on the Supreme Court, only half have been sitting judges when selected ... History is filled with people with backgrounds similar to Harriet Miers."
NBC's Tim Russert, on Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers. Whether or not she becomes the 111th to be seated is now the question.
1. Posted by
Mark | October 3, 2005 12:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Mark:
A frequent commenter here, "Ed," has suggested several times that legal training is not, or should not be, a prerequisite for people who earn a living interpreting the Consitution. In his view, "above average intelligence" and the ability to "think critically" suffice.
I'm curious to know his views on whether prior bench experience, or even prior legal experience, are valuable or important credentials for a Supreme Court nominee? Would "Ed" put a non-lawyer on the court?
1. Posted by
Mark | October 3, 2005 12:56 PM |
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"I'm curious to know (Ed's) views on whether prior bench experience, or even prior legal experience, are valuable or important credentials for a Supreme Court nominee? Would "Ed" put a non-lawyer on the court?"
I'm not Ed, nor do I play him on t.v., but IMHO, the answers to your questions should be no and yes, respectively. At least when it pertains to interpreting the Constitution, which is one of the simplest and easiest to read documents I've ever come across. Interpreting the tortuous and convoluted logic our esteemed congresscritters use to craft our nation's laws is something else entirely.
To Tim Russert:
So you like Harriet Miers. That just warms the cockles of my heart.
2. Posted by
fatman | October 3, 2005 1:24 PM |
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4. Posted by
Mark | October 3, 2005 1:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Mark:
Wayne,
That's the way I read it, too. In other words, "how many had no judging experience whatsoever at any time prior to their nomination?" That's a different question from, "how many were not sitting when selected." I suspect the answers are different, but I don't know.
4. Posted by
Mark | October 3, 2005 1:53 PM |
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5. Posted by
ed | October 3, 2005 2:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ed:
Hmmmm.
I'm not "Ed" but my opinion is that to nominate a non-lawyer you'd have to have someone who would have a Spine of Iron and a willingness to fight anyone and everyone over every single detail. And even then you're talking about someone who would largely be at a huge disadvantage when it comes to the internal debate within the Supreme Court.
And let's face facts here. This is yet another backstab by Bush and the GOP towards conservatives.
I've repeated myself many times. I've had some people call me a shill for the DU. But twenty-five years of carrying the GOP on our backs and we get Roberts and Miers?
Yeah I'm really f-ing rewarded now.
5. Posted by
ed | October 3, 2005 2:04 PM |
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6. Posted by
oliver bush | October 3, 2005 2:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
oliver bush:
COME ON NOW! CAN'T YOU SEE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? THE SUPREME COURT IS JUST ANOTHER POKER GAME TO SMIRKY MCCHIMPLERBURTON. MIZ HARRIET IS A BLUFF. SHE WON'T GET CONFIRMED IN A MILLION YEARS. IF SHE DOES, PRETZEL BOY WINS. SHE IS HIS MOST LOYAL ASSOCIATE. IF SHE DOESN'T GET CONFIRMED, (MOST LIKELY) THE AWOL TANGSTER STILL WINS. THE GOP WILL DELAY THE NEXT NOMINEE'S CONFIRMATION - UNTIL SWAGGERING SMIRKSTER CAN RAM SOMEBODY LIKE PAT ROBERTSON OR JOHN ASHCROFT THRU WITH A "RECESS APPOINTMENT". WITH THE COURT SO PACKED, BUSH WILL THEN HAVE THE POWER TO OVERTURN THE PRESIDENTIAL TERM LIMIT ORDNANCES, AND THEN SELECT HIMSELF FOR HIS THIRD CONSECUTIVE (STOLEN) TERM.
BUSH HAS THE NUTS ON THIS ONE, FOLKS.
--
OHB
o.h.bush@gmail.com
6. Posted by
oliver bush | October 3, 2005 2:27 PM |
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I find it amusing that those who are bleating because Bush didn't select a known contructionist are also complaining because she hasn't been a judge. The founding fathers apparently didn't think it was necessary to reserve SCOTUS appointments for members of the legal industry.
As to interpreting the drivel that comes out of Congress, just give me a good critical thinker, esteemed member of the bar, or not.
7. Posted by
Matt | October 3, 2005 2:29 PM |
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10. Posted by
ed | October 4, 2005 8:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ed:
Hmmmm.
"What concerns you about Roberts?"
Roberts is supposed to be a solid conservative. Yet when he was questioned he stated emphatically that all of the work he did as a lawyer, in furtherance of conservative issues, was on behalf of his clients and did NOT reflect his own beliefs.
Roberts is supposed to be a solid conservative. Yet Roberts has *never*, not once, ever chosen to support a conservative issue by way of pro bono work. On the other hand Roberts has several times supported liberal groups with pro bono work.
If you can find me any instances of where Roberts, when given a free choice, has supported conservatives then please list them. All of the ones I've been able to find were when he was acting as a lawyer on his client's behalf.
This does NOT scream "conservative" to me.
10. Posted by
ed | October 4, 2005 8:29 AM |
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A frequent commenter here, ... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Mark | October 3, 2005 12:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
A frequent commenter here, "Ed," has suggested several times that legal training is not, or should not be, a prerequisite for people who earn a living interpreting the Consitution. In his view, "above average intelligence" and the ability to "think critically" suffice.
I'm curious to know his views on whether prior bench experience, or even prior legal experience, are valuable or important credentials for a Supreme Court nominee? Would "Ed" put a non-lawyer on the court?
1. Posted by Mark | October 3, 2005 12:56 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 12:56
2. Posted by fatman | October 3, 2005 1:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Mark said:
"I'm curious to know (Ed's) views on whether prior bench experience, or even prior legal experience, are valuable or important credentials for a Supreme Court nominee? Would "Ed" put a non-lawyer on the court?"
I'm not Ed, nor do I play him on t.v., but IMHO, the answers to your questions should be no and yes, respectively. At least when it pertains to interpreting the Constitution, which is one of the simplest and easiest to read documents I've ever come across. Interpreting the tortuous and convoluted logic our esteemed congresscritters use to craft our nation's laws is something else entirely.
To Tim Russert:
So you like Harriet Miers. That just warms the cockles of my heart.
2. Posted by fatman | October 3, 2005 1:24 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 13:24
3. Posted by Wayne | October 3, 2005 1:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Of the 110 people who have sat on the Supreme Court, only half have been sitting judges when selected
Sound like one of those misleading stats to me. Out of the 110 judges, how many were never a judge?
3. Posted by Wayne | October 3, 2005 1:33 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 13:33
4. Posted by Mark | October 3, 2005 1:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wayne,
That's the way I read it, too. In other words, "how many had no judging experience whatsoever at any time prior to their nomination?" That's a different question from, "how many were not sitting when selected." I suspect the answers are different, but I don't know.
4. Posted by Mark | October 3, 2005 1:53 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 13:53
5. Posted by ed | October 3, 2005 2:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmmm.
I'm not "Ed" but my opinion is that to nominate a non-lawyer you'd have to have someone who would have a Spine of Iron and a willingness to fight anyone and everyone over every single detail. And even then you're talking about someone who would largely be at a huge disadvantage when it comes to the internal debate within the Supreme Court.
And let's face facts here. This is yet another backstab by Bush and the GOP towards conservatives.
I've repeated myself many times. I've had some people call me a shill for the DU. But twenty-five years of carrying the GOP on our backs and we get Roberts and Miers?
Yeah I'm really f-ing rewarded now.
5. Posted by ed | October 3, 2005 2:04 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 14:04
6. Posted by oliver bush | October 3, 2005 2:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
COME ON NOW! CAN'T YOU SEE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? THE SUPREME COURT IS JUST ANOTHER POKER GAME TO SMIRKY MCCHIMPLERBURTON. MIZ HARRIET IS A BLUFF. SHE WON'T GET CONFIRMED IN A MILLION YEARS. IF SHE DOES, PRETZEL BOY WINS. SHE IS HIS MOST LOYAL ASSOCIATE. IF SHE DOESN'T GET CONFIRMED, (MOST LIKELY) THE AWOL TANGSTER STILL WINS. THE GOP WILL DELAY THE NEXT NOMINEE'S CONFIRMATION - UNTIL SWAGGERING SMIRKSTER CAN RAM SOMEBODY LIKE PAT ROBERTSON OR JOHN ASHCROFT THRU WITH A "RECESS APPOINTMENT". WITH THE COURT SO PACKED, BUSH WILL THEN HAVE THE POWER TO OVERTURN THE PRESIDENTIAL TERM LIMIT ORDNANCES, AND THEN SELECT HIMSELF FOR HIS THIRD CONSECUTIVE (STOLEN) TERM.
BUSH HAS THE NUTS ON THIS ONE, FOLKS.
--
OHB
o.h.bush@gmail.com
6. Posted by oliver bush | October 3, 2005 2:27 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 14:27
7. Posted by Matt | October 3, 2005 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I find it amusing that those who are bleating because Bush didn't select a known contructionist are also complaining because she hasn't been a judge. The founding fathers apparently didn't think it was necessary to reserve SCOTUS appointments for members of the legal industry.
As to interpreting the drivel that comes out of Congress, just give me a good critical thinker, esteemed member of the bar, or not.
7. Posted by Matt | October 3, 2005 2:29 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 14:29
8. Posted by Gabriel Chapman | October 3, 2005 2:39 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yeah lets look at some of them: Brandeis, Murphy, Goldberg, Warren, Douglas. See a pattern?
8. Posted by Gabriel Chapman | October 3, 2005 2:39 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 14:39
9. Posted by Mark | October 3, 2005 3:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Not "Ed" but ed:
What concerns you about Roberts?
In my opinion, his liberal critics don't understand the constitutionaly prescribed role of the Supreme Court.
What are the conservative criticisms? --and how can they be reconciled with the role of the court?
9. Posted by Mark | October 3, 2005 3:11 PM |
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Posted on October 3, 2005 15:11
10. Posted by ed | October 4, 2005 8:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmmm.
"What concerns you about Roberts?"
Roberts is supposed to be a solid conservative. Yet when he was questioned he stated emphatically that all of the work he did as a lawyer, in furtherance of conservative issues, was on behalf of his clients and did NOT reflect his own beliefs.
Roberts is supposed to be a solid conservative. Yet Roberts has *never*, not once, ever chosen to support a conservative issue by way of pro bono work. On the other hand Roberts has several times supported liberal groups with pro bono work.
If you can find me any instances of where Roberts, when given a free choice, has supported conservatives then please list them. All of the ones I've been able to find were when he was acting as a lawyer on his client's behalf.
This does NOT scream "conservative" to me.
10. Posted by ed | October 4, 2005 8:29 AM |
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Posted on October 4, 2005 08:29
11. Posted by bws | October 4, 2005 12:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Please tell me that Cousin Oliver's comments were intended as humor/parody.
11. Posted by bws | October 4, 2005 12:40 PM |
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Posted on October 4, 2005 12:40