This is so ridiculous, I had to keep from gagging reading it. I'm sure the president is really determined to "fight terrorism." And if it takes our own support of terrorism and the simultaneous murder of more than 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, there're always going to be people out there who will buy into the bullshit and blame it on "liberal media" - the same media who refuses to report the truth because they're so afraid of the stigma of being labeled as liberal.

God, give me a break.

Well, so much for opinion polls, why the hell are we still in Afganistan and Iraq? To give Bush a gold star in the history books? Unfortunately, I voted for Bush (I think he has become obsessed with punishing Arabs for 9/11)Lets bring our troops home! By the way, I served in the Army in Vietnam, did not protest the Vietnam war and have a daughter who is presently a Captain in the Army Corp of Engineers.

Maria Kornalian (moonbat extraordinaire) says, And if it takes our own support of terrorism and the simultaneous murder of more than 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, there're always going to be people out there who will buy into the bullshit and blame it on "liberal media" - the same media who refuses to report the truth because they're so afraid of the stigma of being labeled as liberal.

May I have a day pass into your upside down world Maria? I think it would be fun to hang out for a day and laugh. Plus it would strengthen my appreciate for the truth and common sense. I hope you can help me out. Thanks.

Don Mockaitis said, Well, so much for opinion polls, why the hell are we still in Afganistan and Iraq? To give Bush a gold star in the history books?

No Don. It is to reset the political and military calculus of the Middle East. You still need this explained to you after 3+ years of continuous discussion? Good grief man.

Unfortunately, I voted for Bush (I think he has become obsessed with punishing Arabs for 9/11)Lets bring our troops home!

Brilliant man. Just brilliant.

If Don Mockaitis really voted for Bush, I'm the narrator of Heinlein's short story "All You Zombies"...

Cybrludite:
I guess I am a zombie, I voted for Bush twice. Please send me a autographed copy of "All You Zombies"

Likwidshoe:
If you think we are going to change the Middle Eastern countries into democracies, you're as gullible as I was. They are religious fanatics or are controlled by them. There is no such thing as seperation of "Church" and State in Islam.(You know that already.)
As my Taos Pueblo friend would say, don't teach me "the white man ways".

Wow Don. That's certainly a cynical outlook.

I guess I believe that the people of the middle east are more than capable of throwing off the yoke of extreme Islamic oppression and embracing the ideals of freedom. But it is easier to be negative than optimistic.

Rob:
Your probably right. We will just have to see what happens with the current uprising in Iraq/Afganistan and the Iranian situation. Have a good 4th.

I sure will Don. You have a good one as well.

If Islam is incompatible with democracy, don't tell the Indonesians, the Turks, the Bosnians, the Serbs, or the 100+ million muslims in India.

There was lots of church/state separation in pre-WW2 Japan too. Wasn't the Emperor son of the Godess or something? I'd dare say they are a Democracy now. Try thinking before commenting Don, it's fun!

Dean:
Tell the Kurds that the Turks have a democracy; Pakistan and India is a balancing act, both with nuclear weapons;Indonesia remains to be seen; the Balkans-we still have troops there....but I hope things work out.

Well Scott:
To avoid having a million plus casualties in the invasion of Japan, we nuked them twice.If Im correct,we still have troops there.Did you forget?

One last comment:
If we really want to solve our problems in the Middle East....lets solve the Israeli/Palestinian problem.It is a good way to take support from radical extremists.Take a look at the
Gush-Shalom.com website.Yasser Arafat supported their plan(if you look in the archives I think you can find him wearing a Gush-Shalom pin).

likwidshoe: My world is not upside down just because you do not agree with me. Grow a pair, please.

Maria Kornalian wrote we had "murder(ed) over 200,000 innocent Iragi civilians". Earth to Maria: check your fax machine for your liberal get-on-message instructions. The VERY left-wing iraqbodycount.net puts it at under 26,000 and not all due to US aggression (car bombs, suicides, etc.). See you in the funny papers!

Keith Jones: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6596

And this was back in October. I'll see YOU in reality once you leave your land of delusions.

Ass.

P.S. please pay special notice to the graf:

One major project, www.iraqbodycount.net, estimates up to 16,300 deaths in Iraq due to coalition forces. But this collects data on deaths reported in the press only. “We've always maintained that the actual count must be much higher," says Scott Lipscomb, at Northwestern University, Illinois, US, who works on the project. "I am emotionally shocked but I have no trouble in believing that this many people have been killed," he told The New York Times.

Maria Kornalian proves my earlier point, Keith Jones: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6596

And this was back in October. I'll see YOU in reality once you leave your land of delusions.

Ass.

Ahhh yes Maria. Using the Lancet "study" to prove your point = not a good way to show us that you are "in reality".

Here,...pay attention Maria because I'm about to spell it out for you.

100,000 Dead—or 8,000 - The report's authors derive this figure by estimating how many Iraqis died in a 14-month period before the U.S. invasion, conducting surveys on how many died in a similar period after the invasion began (more on those surveys later), and subtracting the difference. That difference—the number of "extra" deaths in the post-invasion period—signifies the war's toll. That number is 98,000. But read the passage that cites the calculation more fully:

We estimate there were 98,000 extra deaths (95% CI 8000-194 000) during the post-war period.

Readers who are accustomed to perusing statistical documents know what the set of numbers in the parentheses means. For the other 99.9 percent of you, I'll spell it out in plain English—which, disturbingly, the study never does. It means that the authors are 95 percent confident that the war-caused deaths totaled some number between 8,000 and 194,000. (The number cited in plain language—98,000—is roughly at the halfway point in this absurdly vast range.)

This isn't an estimate. It's a dart board.

So what was that Maria? Did you tell me to "grow a pair"? Hahaha. I guess it masks the fact that you lack a coherent argument. I'll ask again: can I have a day pass into your upside down world Maria?

Has anyone of you dudes and dudets asked the question, why the extremists are terrorizing the US and maybe why they became so extreme?

War is a Band-Aid and will never fix a broken bone! There is a cause and effect to everything but you all seem to keep talking about the effect and NOT recognizing the cause, therefore, a Band Aid will be applied but the bone will always stay broken.

Got it? Experience Rules!